Micah, Glad to hear of your success. It looks like John and his family didn't spend much time in Texas as none of the children were born there. The youngest child was born in MO in 1887 and was apparently a child of the first wife Sarah. This date might mark the death of Sarah if she died in child birth or something like that. Men and women left like that usually married very soon again to have someone help look after the children. Since Sarah died in the period, 1887-1900, there might be a grave stone somewhere, or a death certificate for one of Sarah's children may be just what you need. In my case, my granddad was born in 1880, and we had about 30 years together that I could ask him questions. Perhaps your family can answer some of the questions you have. I note in 1900 that there is a Dora (Cagle ?) 24 married to Andrew Hays age 30 with two step sons, Fred Cagle, 6 and Franklin Cagle, 1. they show on the same census page as your John Cagle. Do you know who this is? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Micah Allen" <silvertrill@yahoo.com> To: <cagle@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Southeast Missouri Cagle's > David, > > I just wanted to let you know that I tied up the mystery of John Cagle > (possible son of George and Malinda) finally! I've devoted the past forty > eight hours minus sleeptime to finding more info on my John Cagle. The > conclusion is that John Cagle (1900 census, listed with wife "Elibyre") is > the first son of George and Malinda Cagle. Here's how it finally worked > out. > > I found a John C. Cagle in the Missouri 1910-1956 Death Index online for > New Madrid, Missouri. My suspicion was that if there was a death > certificate, he had to be there because I traced him with wife Eliza right > next to William (his second son) in the 1910 Census and then found no > record for him in the 1920 census. On the death certificate, his birthdate > is completely wrong, but someone stated that his father was George Cagle > and his mother was Malinda. Kentucky is stated as George's birthplace, but > this was more likely an error like the birthdate. The reason for death is > stated as pneumonia. Date of death is 2-23-1912. He is widowed at the time > and late wife Eliza died on 11-9-1911. > > I traced the 1910 census in New Madrid completely through for the area he > lived in at the time and found no other John Cagles. From this, I believe > we have our proof. John Cagle married a Sarah (b. in Missouri) sometime > before 1880 (due to 1880 census in Fannin Co. TX). He had a daughter Mary > (age 4), a son George (b. 1878-79) and then had more children between that > time and 1900. The 1890 census is of course non-existent so there seems to > be no record of him for a good twenty years. Now, the question is who is > William's (my gg grandfather) mother? I have requested a copy of his death > certificate. It is unfortunately not viewable online, there's only an > abstract. I'll know more then. I am disregarding for the time being that > Emily J. Derossett was John's first wife. I believe this was incorrect > information based on the fact that she was linked to a different John > Cagle living in Independence, Dunklin, Missouri in 1880 (shown married to > Emma J.) Another family member had > given me this info. If I find more, I'll let you know. > > Thanks for encouraging me to stay on the track of proving my John Cagle > was in fact the son of George and Malinda. I would have probably given up > otherwise. > > --Micah R. Allen-- > > David Cagle <dcagle1@charter.net> wrote: Earl, > Sorry, I saw this message last week and didn't find it again until now. > > Henry Sr. apparently married Caterina Seitz as you stated. However, in > his > will, Henry mentions his daughter in law, Caterina Cockman. It is thought > by some that this is meant to mean a step daughter which would suggest > that > Caterina Seitz may have married a Cockman before she married Henry. > However, I guess the daughter in law could be an adopted daughter. Those > with Cockman connections may have a better handle on this. > > David, 1728-ca1784, was also married to a Catherine but I don't know her > last name. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Southeast Missouri Cagle's > > >> >>> David, while I appreciate your detailed information on children and >>> heirs >>> of John "D", Henry and Charles, I don't fully understand the "Henry who >>> married a Cochman not David,etc." part of your statement. Also, >>> regarding heirs, the Henry, Sr. you cited stated in his will that his >>> wife,Caterana (Seitz) would have an inheritance. Just trying to >>> clarify >>> the good information you have provided. Thanks for your efforts, Earl >>> L. >>> Cagle, Sr. >>> From: "David Cagle" >>> Date: 2007/06/24 Sun PM 08:59:33 EDT >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Southeast Missouri Cagle's >>> >>> Micah, >>> Here are the children an heirs of John "Dutchman", Henry and Charles >>> Cagle. >>> Our David Cagle did not leave a will or an estate settlement that I am >>> aware >>> of. Please note that it was probably Hnery who married a Cockman, not >>> David. His wife was Catherine something or other. I have not been able >>> to >>> find out. >>> David >>> >>> John "Dutchman" Cagle, 1799, Will, Moore Co., NC >>> >>> George, b. 1760's >>> >>> Jacob, b. ca 1766 >>> >>> Henry, b. ca 1770 >>> >>> Elizabeth Gilmore >>> >>> Mary Melton >>> >>> John, b. 1780's >>> >>> William, b. 1788 >>> >>> Susanna >>> >>> Dorety >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> >>> Henry Cagle, Sr., 1802 Will, Moore Co., NC >>> >>> William, b. 1754 >>> >>> Christian, b. 1760's >>> >>> Henry, b. 1770's >>> >>> Peter, b. 1775 >>> >>> John, b. 1770's >>> >>> Jacob, b. 1770's >>> >>> George, b. 1782 >>> >>> Martin, b. 1780's >>> >>> Caterana Cockman >>> >>> Elizabeth Hubbard >>> >>> Mary Auman >>> >>> >>> >>> Charles Cagle, Sr., d. 1801, Montgomery Co., NC >>> >>> >From 1803 Court document, Children were: >>> >>> Leonard (Administrator of estate) >>> >>> Jacob >>> >>> Charles >>> >>> John >>> >>> George, minor >>> >>> Glory, minor >>> >>> Margaret, minor >>> >>> Susanna Hardwick >>> >>> Betsy Cagle, m George Cagle >>> >>> Molly Tucker >>> >>> Kitty Horn > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAGLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Fussy? 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David, Actually I do have a little more info on who Dora and Andrew are. In past research, I noted an Andrew Hayes living next to George and Malinda Cagle in New Madrid County (either 1870 or 1860 census - I always view images and see what I can connect since both sides of my family lived in the same area for several years). Andrew Hayes married a Mrs. Dora Bishop. I found this information on marriage records of New Madrid County. So yes, I believe Dora probably married a Cagle before she married a Bishop. We also know that Eliza Bishop and George Bishop were living with John Cagle in Fannin Co., Texas on the 1880 census. Eliza was, if I'm not mistaken, George's sister? Unfortunately, the oldest living Cagle in my family is my grandfather. He is 74 and a spry man so I trust his memory. He vaguely remembers his grandfather. William would have passed away when he was just 7. He thought he knew the graveyard and I ended up finding the stone for him. When he was 8 or 9, Pop's house went up in flames and everything except about four photos was completely destroyed. If it wasn't for that, I'm sure I'd have more information. My great-grandmother passed away in October at age 97 and left me all of the obits, pictures, death certificates she had collected over the years. Her husband (Luther Thomas Cagle) passed away in 1970. I'm just 24 so the only info I garnered was from asking my great-grandmother questions about a man I'd never met. Fortunately, my grams wrote on the back of almost every photo so all the pics are identified. I have spoken to others, but have been unsuccessful. I've been looking for William's siblings from the 1900 census....George W., Lee, and Laura. Let me know if you turn anything else up on the Hayes family with two Cagle stepsons. I am quite curious about them myself. --Micah-- David Cagle <dcagle1@charter.net> wrote: Micah, Glad to hear of your success. It looks like John and his family didn't spend much time in Texas as none of the children were born there. The youngest child was born in MO in 1887 and was apparently a child of the first wife Sarah. This date might mark the death of Sarah if she died in child birth or something like that. Men and women left like that usually married very soon again to have someone help look after the children. Since Sarah died in the period, 1887-1900, there might be a grave stone somewhere, or a death certificate for one of Sarah's children may be just what you need. In my case, my granddad was born in 1880, and we had about 30 years together that I could ask him questions. Perhaps your family can answer some of the questions you have. I note in 1900 that there is a Dora (Cagle ?) 24 married to Andrew Hays age 30 with two step sons, Fred Cagle, 6 and Franklin Cagle, 1. they show on the same census page as your John Cagle. Do you know who this is? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Micah Allen" To: Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Southeast Missouri Cagle's > David, > > I just wanted to let you know that I tied up the mystery of John Cagle > (possible son of George and Malinda) finally! I've devoted the past forty > eight hours minus sleeptime to finding more info on my John Cagle. The > conclusion is that John Cagle (1900 census, listed with wife "Elibyre") is > the first son of George and Malinda Cagle. Here's how it finally worked > out. > > I found a John C. Cagle in the Missouri 1910-1956 Death Index online for > New Madrid, Missouri. My suspicion was that if there was a death > certificate, he had to be there because I traced him with wife Eliza right > next to William (his second son) in the 1910 Census and then found no > record for him in the 1920 census. On the death certificate, his birthdate > is completely wrong, but someone stated that his father was George Cagle > and his mother was Malinda. Kentucky is stated as George's birthplace, but > this was more likely an error like the birthdate. The reason for death is > stated as pneumonia. Date of death is 2-23-1912. He is widowed at the time > and late wife Eliza died on 11-9-1911. > > I traced the 1910 census in New Madrid completely through for the area he > lived in at the time and found no other John Cagles. From this, I believe > we have our proof. John Cagle married a Sarah (b. in Missouri) sometime > before 1880 (due to 1880 census in Fannin Co. TX). He had a daughter Mary > (age 4), a son George (b. 1878-79) and then had more children between that > time and 1900. The 1890 census is of course non-existent so there seems to > be no record of him for a good twenty years. Now, the question is who is > William's (my gg grandfather) mother? I have requested a copy of his death > certificate. It is unfortunately not viewable online, there's only an > abstract. I'll know more then. I am disregarding for the time being that > Emily J. Derossett was John's first wife. I believe this was incorrect > information based on the fact that she was linked to a different John > Cagle living in Independence, Dunklin, Missouri in 1880 (shown married to > Emma J.) Another family member had > given me this info. If I find more, I'll let you know. > > Thanks for encouraging me to stay on the track of proving my John Cagle > was in fact the son of George and Malinda. I would have probably given up > otherwise. > > --Micah R. Allen-- > > David Cagle wrote: Earl, > Sorry, I saw this message last week and didn't find it again until now. > > Henry Sr. apparently married Caterina Seitz as you stated. However, in > his > will, Henry mentions his daughter in law, Caterina Cockman. It is thought > by some that this is meant to mean a step daughter which would suggest > that > Caterina Seitz may have married a Cockman before she married Henry. > However, I guess the daughter in law could be an adopted daughter. Those > with Cockman connections may have a better handle on this. > > David, 1728-ca1784, was also married to a Catherine but I don't know her > last name. > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Southeast Missouri Cagle's > > >> >>> David, while I appreciate your detailed information on children and >>> heirs >>> of John "D", Henry and Charles, I don't fully understand the "Henry who >>> married a Cochman not David,etc." part of your statement. Also, >>> regarding heirs, the Henry, Sr. you cited stated in his will that his >>> wife,Caterana (Seitz) would have an inheritance. Just trying to >>> clarify >>> the good information you have provided. Thanks for your efforts, Earl >>> L. >>> Cagle, Sr. >>> From: "David Cagle" >>> Date: 2007/06/24 Sun PM 08:59:33 EDT >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Southeast Missouri Cagle's >>> >>> Micah, >>> Here are the children an heirs of John "Dutchman", Henry and Charles >>> Cagle. >>> Our David Cagle did not leave a will or an estate settlement that I am >>> aware >>> of. Please note that it was probably Hnery who married a Cockman, not >>> David. His wife was Catherine something or other. I have not been able >>> to >>> find out. >>> David >>> >>> John "Dutchman" Cagle, 1799, Will, Moore Co., NC >>> >>> George, b. 1760's >>> >>> Jacob, b. ca 1766 >>> >>> Henry, b. ca 1770 >>> >>> Elizabeth Gilmore >>> >>> Mary Melton >>> >>> John, b. 1780's >>> >>> William, b. 1788 >>> >>> Susanna >>> >>> Dorety >>> >>> Margaret >>> >>> >>> >>> Henry Cagle, Sr., 1802 Will, Moore Co., NC >>> >>> William, b. 1754 >>> >>> Christian, b. 1760's >>> >>> Henry, b. 1770's >>> >>> Peter, b. 1775 >>> >>> John, b. 1770's >>> >>> Jacob, b. 1770's >>> >>> George, b. 1782 >>> >>> Martin, b. 1780's >>> >>> Caterana Cockman >>> >>> Elizabeth Hubbard >>> >>> Mary Auman >>> >>> >>> >>> Charles Cagle, Sr., d. 1801, Montgomery Co., NC >>> >>> >From 1803 Court document, Children were: >>> >>> Leonard (Administrator of estate) >>> >>> Jacob >>> >>> Charles >>> >>> John >>> >>> George, minor >>> >>> Glory, minor >>> >>> Margaret, minor >>> >>> Susanna Hardwick >>> >>> Betsy Cagle, m George Cagle >>> >>> Molly Tucker >>> >>> Kitty Horn > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CAGLE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Fussy? 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