For my two cents worth I have to agree with, David. >From everything I have read Valentine Cagle, was a son of David Cagle. Valentine, is reported to have been b. abt.1750. Two of Valentine & Catharina's children, were baptised by the Rev.Macard at Bear Creek in Montgomery (Stanley) Co; NC. Anna Maria Kegel b. may 1794, baptised 1-28-1798. Johannes Kegel b. 1-17-1797, baprised 1-28-1798. There was also one child of George & Rebecca Kegel, baptised at the same place. This was Rebecca Kegel b.4-04-1791, baptsed on 12-25-1797. Plus her brother John Adam Kegel, who was b. 3-11-1797, baptised 1-28-1798, his mother is listed as Anna Mary Kegel. There were not many baptisal records that survied this time period. These are some of the few early Kegel baptisims that did. Those who are ancestors of George or Valentine, these records will help. Earl