Jim, Until the 1728 birth date of David Cagle was found recently, he was thought to have been born in the 1710's. Some of his children whose dates also were not known (and still aren't) were considered to be older than perhaps they actually were. Valentine was one of those. I have a question also. Was there more that one Valentine? Tonight, I have seen Valentine listed as a son of David and a son of John "Dutchman." The will of John "Dutchman" does not mention a Valentine. I believe this confusion has come about because some have assumed that Johan Theobald Cagle was identical to John "Dutchman" Cagle, when in reality Johan Theobald Cagle and "David Cagle" are one and the same. This Name has been explained by John G. Cagle in "The Cagle Journal." My opinion is and has been that Valentine was the son of David. I hope someone has proof one way or the other. David Hardin Co., TN Jim & Donna Nix wrote: > Nancy, et al, > > This is the line that is most confusing to me (and is also my line > through Valentine Cagle, Sr. - "Velti"). > > There are baptismal records confirming the birth of Johann Theobald > Kegel ("David Cagle") in 1728. However, the children that are being > attributed to him have birthdates that start in 1740. I assume that he > didn't marry at age 11. > > By the same token, I have seen birthdates for Valentine, Sr. that show > him being born in the mid-1750's. That would make more sense. > > Can anyone explain this discrepancy? > > Jim Nix > > Njbalmer@aol.com wrote: > > > > Descendants of Johan Theobald "David" Kegel * Cagle > > > > Generation No. 1 > > > > 1. Johan Theobald "David" Kegel *2 Cagle ((Leonhart Kegell ) > > Leonard *1) was born April 29, 1728 in Obermehlingen, Germany, and died > > April 01, 1793 in Moore County, North Carolina. He married Katherine > > (Unknown) * Cagle Abt. 1739 in Moore County, North Carolina. > > > > Notes for Johan Theobald "David" Kegel * Cagle: > > David's trip to North Carolina; > > > > Some of the Cagle's including David 1728 -1850, traveled to North Carolina > > on the Great Philadelphia Wagon Road, some called it the Old Salem Road. > > > > When the first census was taken in 1790, there were ten Cagle families > > living in Moore County, North Carolina . > > > > Johan Dewalt (Theobald) "David Cagle (they called him David Cagle). > > > > Childs name Johan Theobald, born the 29th. of April 1728, and was Baptized on > > 1st of May 1728. Sponcers name, Theobold Fuchs, the sponcer from Alsenborn > > and wife Christina, and Andrusa Busch from Trippstadt, Reformed .. > > > > Parents names Leonhart Kegel and his wife Susannah Reformed, from > > Obermehlingen, Germany. Records are from a German Church records in Sembach > > Germany. > > > > Land Grants: > > > > Land Grants of North Carolina , 1767-1818 , Cumberland (present Moore ) > > County. > > > > Number 1430 David Caygill 1764 > > > > No. 1430 > > County, Cumberland > > Name: Caygill, David > > > > Acres 100 > > Grant No 374 > > Issued Apr 25, 1767 > > Warrent No. > > Entry No. 95 > > Entered April 21, 1764 > > Book No 23 Page No 24 > > Location on both sides of Flatt Creek. > > > > Notes : David Cagle, and his presumed brother John "Dutchman" Cagle, > > Acquired land near the same time in early 1764, David's by land entry > > (April 21, ) and John's purchase from James Cheney (Feb. 3). David's > > entry shows that his tract of 100 Acres lay "about a quarter of a mile from > > " John Caygills, Plantation " John was situated at the forks of Bear and > > Cavin Creeks (where he remained until his death in 1799). David was situated > > on Flat Creek, which appently was a small tributary of either Bear or Cavin > > Creek. David's survey, of 100 acres, dose not seem to border directly on > > any previously owned land, and county, seems to have been sparsely > > populated at that early date. in 1769, David sold is track of land to > > William Smith , and moved westward to what is now Cabarrus County, North > > Carolina. > > > > David Cagle is known to have ties to three North Carolina regions: (1) Old > > Rowan County, 1760, and perhaps also 1750s. Probably lived somewhere along > > Deep River, either in Randolph of Guilford, was on tax list , sometime in > > 1760s, with son John , (2) Old Cumberland County, had land paten at forks > > of Bear and Cabin Creeks in 1767, which he sold in 1769. (3) Cabarris > > County, then part of Mecklenburg, had land entry in 1779, maybe died there > > in 1780s. > > > > Children of Johan Cagle and Katherine Cagle are: > > 2 i. Charles (Sr.)3 Cagle, born 1740 in Rowan County, > > North Carolina; died 1801 in Stanly County, North Carolina. He married Mary. > > > > Notes for Charles (Sr.) Cagle: > > 1820 Davidson County, Tennessee > > Keagles, Charles 21001 - 2001 (1830 Davidson County, TN.) > > > > Charles Cagle was married to Mary , she was born 1740 . > > > > He had a grandson named Jacob born 1815, when his father died , he was nine > > years old, his mother put him in another home so he could learn the trade of > > a blacksmith . Jacob lived with this family until he was twenty one > > years. When he left , they gave him some money and a pair of pants and a > > new shirt. > > > > 3 ii. John (Sr.) Cagle, born 1743 in Stanly County , > > North Carolina; died 1826 in Robertson County, Tennessee. He married Mary > > 1769 in Cabarrus County, North Carolina. > > > > Notes for John (Sr.) Cagle: > > 1820 Davidson County, Tennessee. > > Keagle, , John Sr. 000001-00001 (D-1826, Robertson County Tennessee) > > > > John Cagle Sr. 1740-1826 > > > > As the story was told John's daughter Mary Ann was a young girl, and was > > walking on the Boardwalk of Nashville, Tennessee 1809 . When Felix , son of > > Nashville's pioneer, Jacques Timothe Bauchrer Demunbreun. Timothy > > Demunbreun Declared " IF that is not spoken for she will be my wife. Mary > > Ann had indian ancestry, thus explaining her know repution as a Excellent > > mid-wife. and indian Herbologist. thus Mary ann Cagle Demunbreun may have > > learned her Herb-doctoring from an indian Mother or a indian grandmother. > > > > As the story goes, The Cagle family, while living in North Carolina, took > > in a indian girl, considered terminally ill by her indian tribe , later the > > indian girl recovered and married one of the Cagles sons. > > > > John Cagle Sr. was married twice, first to Mary , last name unknown. Second > > time to Margaret Hardwick. > > > > 4 iii. Valentine (Sr.) Cagle, born 1746 in Rowan County , North > > Carolina; died 1812 in Warren County, Tennessee. He married > > Catherine/Claudia 1785. > > > > Notes for Valentine (Sr.) Cagle: > > Valentin Cagle, was a farmer . > > Valentine Cagle " Angel Story " > > Valentine Cagles grandson , George Cagle is the boy who was in the angel > > story . > > > > When I was ten, my father brought George to live with us, so he would be > > taught to fram, on June 2, 1908, Greorge was sent out about a quater of a > > mile from our house to toll up the brush heaps for burning, about 10:00 a.m. > > George cagme running to the house very scared and excited, he enter the > > front door calling "Aunt Claudia" where is Dellia. My mother replieded, > > she is playing in the back yard. > > No No said George exclaimed, she is an angel ! she has on a white robe and > > she has wings, I saw her flying from one brush to another, it was Dellia, I > > know it was . He ran to the back yard looking for Dellia, she was playing > > and Geroge saw her there, and nothing was wrong, yet he was convinced that > > he seen her as an angel. on June 4th. just two days after George's > > illusion, Dellia became ill, and on June 9th she was claimed by death . > > > > Valentine 1750, Jacob 1755 the two brothers moved to Tennessee in 1812, the > > trip was made overland , through the gap of the Appalachian Mountins from > > Charleston, South Carolina to New Orleans and then to LA. and up to the > > Mississippi and Tennessee rivers to Warren County. Tennessee . > > > > Notes for Catherine/Claudia: > > Her name is probably Catherine because Valentine Jr. named one of his > > dauthers Catherine. > > > > 5 iv. George ( Sr.) * Cagle, born 1750 in Rowen County, > > North Carolina; died November 06, 1825 in Montgomery County , North Carolina. > > He married Rebecca * Cagle 1766 in Montgomery County, North Carolina. > > > > Notes for George ( Sr.) * Cagle: > > 1800 Montgomery , North Carolina W. of Peedee > > Cagle, George 02301-01101 > > > > 1810 Montgomery North Carolina , W. Peedee. > > Cagle, George 00001-02001 (D,1825, Montgomery Co North > > Carolina .) > > > > George Cagle Sr. b- 1750 and died November 06, 1825 . George married to > > Rebecca Cagle who was born 1752. amd died 1838. > > > > George and Rebecca and there family were members of the Church which was > > located near the Big Creek, Just off Hwy. 27 west of the bridge in a pasture > > below Liberty Hill Primitive Baptist Church . There are alot of graves > > located in there, but George Cagle , 1750 - 1825 and Mary Harley are the > > only graves marked . The land where the Chuch is now is owned by the > > Huneycutts. > > > > 6 v. Jacob * Cagle, born April 1755 in Guilford County, North > > Carolina; died August 14, 1825 in Warren County , Tennessee. He married > > (1) Lucy ( Unknown ) * Cagle in Moore County, North Carolina. He married > > (2) Sarah "Sally" 1821 in Buncombe County , North Carolina. > > > > Notes for Jacob * Cagle: > > 1820 Warren County, Tennessee > > Kagle, Jacob 001101-1 > > > > 1830 Warren County, Tennessee > > Cagle, Jacob 0000100001 - 0000101 > > > > Notes: Jacob Cagle, Sr., 1755 - 1845 is not listed as a head of houshold in > > the 1840 census , but is listed to have been living in Warren county, since > > he is known to have died there in 1845, In 1834 Jacob Sr. had filed for a > > pension as a Revolutionary War Soldier: The pension was approved, and Jacob > > drew it until his death . > > > > Jacob Cagle born April 1755, Gilford , North Carolina and died August 14, > > 1825, in Warren County, Tennessee, Jacob's first wife Lucy was the mother of > > all the Children , and his 2nd wife was Sarah "Sally" , and they had no > > children . Jacob was in the Revolutionay War. He was in the service twice > > and the third thime he was drafted . > > > > Jacob was the first son to be born in the Deep River of North Carolina in > > april 1755. In the South, in the Guilford Region, Jacob's Will Was Recored > > July 05, 1836 / September 1825. Jacob and his second wife married 1821, > > (Jacob and his first wife had five sons and two daughters. > > Jacob was a resident of Moore County, Mecklenburg, and Buncombe County, > > North Carolina. Jacob Cagle died in Warren County Tennessee. His son's > > Charles and Henry also died there. > > > > Jacob Cagle 1755 North Carolina. > > > > 1st wifeLucy unknown, 2nd wife Sarah "Sally". Jacob was 66 years old and > > Sarah was 45 years old when they married in 1821. > > > > Jacob Jr. > > Eliz. (Elizabeth) > > Charles 2-11-1780, NC /1843 Warren County, TN > > Henry 1793 NC, / 1863 Warren County , Tennessee > > John D. 1800 NC ? 1863 Tennessee > > William 1803 NC > > Daughter (Unknown) > > > > One of Jacob's grandsons Muette, who became a Gospel Minister, He moved to > > Norwalk, CA. were he had his own Church, Carter Muette Cagle died June 21, > > 1924, and is buried at Graceland Cemetery. > > > > Notes for Sarah "Sally": > > Jacob was 66 years old and Sarah was 45 years old when the married, in > > Buncombe County, North Carolina in 1821, in the 1850s Sarah applied for a > > Revolutionary War Pension, as the widow of a Rev. War Soldier, but the > > appilication was rejected. for unknown reasons. > > > > 1850 census Warren County, Tennessee; > > Cagle, Sally 73 NC enumerated in the household of Mary Woodlie. > > > > Sally was Sarah Cagle, Sarah was Jacob Cagle 1755-1845, Sally was > > considerably younger than Jacob. Sarah was Jacob's second wife, and was not > > the mother of any of his children . They married in 1821 Buncombe County , > > North Carolina > > > > 7 vi. Henry (Sr.) Cagle, born 1762 in Rowen County, North > > Carolina; died 1837 in Hardin County , Tennessee. He married Waggoner. > > > > This is what I have : > > Nancy Jane > > Tarzana , CA. > > April > > > > P.S The names I put in Bold print are my descendants , I descend off of two > > brother's , because there children married. I think that was very commom in > > those days. > > > > ==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > > > > Your help to fellow Cagle researchers, is > > very much appreciated. Thank you. > > ==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > > Ground Work One Of My Favorites > http://members.aol.com/ssmadonna/index.htm