David and List, Thanks for your response David. We Know for sure David is one of Leonard's sons. The rest in the group are all probabilities. I wandered in circles for a long time without any sense of direction and my database was a terrible mess. In order to eliminate a lot of confusion I chose to go with John G. Cage's suggestions and work accordingly. It was my experience that when there was no established order in the first generations, the later generations really could get confusing. If new information proves one of these men to be otherwise it is an easy task to prune and graft that particular person to his proper place in the database. Working with an established order, even when it is a probable order, makes it much easier to keep the train on the tracks. Jimmy B. Cagle Long Beach, MS