Charlie Cagle wrote: ============================ Earl there was something that was very interesting to me in what you had written,that was the mention of the term"Black Dutch" my ggrandfather (Charlie Cagle) was said to be Black Dutch I have never heard of this anywhere before. My ggrandfather was born in Illinois in November 1853 and died in Lawrence County, Alabama in August 1914,he was married to Annie Elizabeth Staggs.         His father was Charles Cagle son of Valentine Cagle Sr. I wonder if there could be any connection. Happy Hunting Charlie Cagle ======================================== Charlie & List, Back several months ago we talked of this "Black Dutch", terminology. There are of course more than one explanation for this. First and foremost, is ones blood line so to speak. If for example Leonhart Kegel, being German & his wife Dutch, then their children could refer to themselves as "Black Dutch". As it said in the Clarksville, Texas newspaper article he wanted to be called "Black Dutch". One would only deny their ancestry, if they had been persecuted in some way. This may have been the case, and some history buff could best answer as to what turmoil was going on in Germany, in the 1700's. Also this name may have gotten attached to them in this way. For my part this is what I tend to think is how the term "Black Dutch" came to be. When our Cagle / Kegel ancestors first settled in the Colonies, they of course knew little if any english. When approached by someone who asked "Where are you from" they answered the best they could. "Deutch Land" is what they may have answered as to where they were from. The translation for this is "Father Land" or "Home Land". This German word, may have sounded to most like "Dutch". So as you see Charlie, there is more than one theory. Earl