Tom Cagle wrote: __________________ Good Morning and Happy Valentines Day! I was looking for towns in Germany and came across the following, that I thought were interesting: KAGEL 5228 1355 N Germany 22.0 miles E of Berlin KEGEL 5019 1223 N Germany 158.1 miles SSW of Berlin Anybody ever hear of them? Tom Cagle Pennsylvania _____________________ Tom & List, Happy Valentines Day to all our list memners. As for myself, I have never heard of these towns. Makes you wonder how they got their name. Mabey Kegel's, lived there for hundreds of years. Or mabey they were named after a couple of very prominent, Kegel's. Nice job on finding these towns in Germany, Tom. Earl

Hello List-- This is a response to: lphilli@lightspeed.net (LaMona Phillips). However, help from any of you will be appreciated. On Lamona's email of 2-7-1999, William C. Cagle, Jr is listed married to Sarah Bruer. It is shown that William is a son of William C. Cagle, Sr. b. 1754 Cumberland Co., NC who married Mary Barrett. Is this William C. Cagle, Sr. a son of Henry, son of Leohnart? I am showing that the William C. Cagle, Jr. that married Sarah Bruer is the son of John "Dutchman" Cagle, son of Leonhart. I have the following info listed on him: **source--Genforum post by Nancy Jane 7-29-1998 1800-1850 Moore Co. NC. 1850 lists him as 62 years. (All listed info on William and children are listed on page 212 of John G. Cagle's book.) 1800 census listed William in the household of his mother Catherine. 1820 census listed him as head of household in Moore Co., NC through 1850. William has been tentatively identified as the youngest son of John Cagle d. 1799. A Mr. Walker's book gives the following account of the William Cagle family: He was a farmer and the family was Methodists by religious preference. Children: Henry, John, Harmon or Herman, Jane, Isaac, Patsy "Martha", Catherine "Kate", and William Cagle Jr. Sounds confusing. Which listing is the right one? Is there a right one? Ha Ha. Thanks for your help--Jill ________________________________ On 2-7-1999, LaMona Phillips wrote-- William C. CAGLE, Sr, born ca. 1754 Cumberland County, NC, now know as Moore County, NC, married Mary Barrett 1787 Moore County, NC, born ca. 1759 NC, both died after 1850 Sevier County, TN, an exact record of their death has yet to be found. It is thought they are buried in Ellajoy Cemetery, near their home just across the county, line in Blount County, TN. It's been a long time since I recorded this. So If you have different data. Please express your self, all help is needed. ISSUE: 1. Henry CAGLE, 3rd (I used the 3rd to distinguish this Henry identity. born abt. 1780-1782 Moore County, NC, Mr. John G. Cagle speculated William Cagle, SR, could have been m. and this child was from that marriage. This has not been proved. He was listed 1830-1840 Sevier County, TN, wife died 1820s by 1840 listed with younger wife Betsy (Elizabeth) and younger children. This Henry is thought to have m. April 3, 1828 Blount County, TN, to Elizabeth Hill. he reappears 1870 census Hamilton County, IL, age 90 living with youngest son James Cagle age 24. 2. Elisha CAGLE, born ca. 1789 Moore County, NC, married February 15, 1821 Randolph county, TN, to Anne Hancock. 3. William C. CAGLE, JR, born ca. 1790-1840 Moore County, NC, married: Sarah Bruer/Brewer. He died 1840s and before 1850 Sevier County, TN, Sarah Cagle was a widow in 1850 census. 4. Celia CAGLE, born ca. 1800 Moore County, NC, m. July 29, 1820 Blount (6 more children are listed.) children prob. not in order and needs a lot of work to complete. Any suggestions would be appreciated. If you have accurate dates please share. Also, notice the Cagle children m. Rogers. I want to throw this out for thought. William Cagle, 3rd son of William Cagle, Jr., and Sarah Brewer. Do you think he is the William that married December 29, 1831 to Mary Rogers Blount County, TN. This is my line LaMona Phillips ________________________________

HI Janice and List You ought to meet some of our alive CAGLE's! This one particular cousin, who I know is a source of Info, act's like I ask her to commit armed robbery, when digging for ancestors. My husbands mother always said: "None of our Cagle's seem to get along with anybody........." Good luck hunting Happy Valentines everyone sandra

Good Morning and Happy Valentines Day! I was looking for towns in Germany and came across the following, that I thought were interesting: KAGEL 5228 1355 N Germany 22.0 miles E of Berlin KEGEL 5019 1223 N Germany 158.1 miles SSW of Berlin Anybody ever hear of them? Tom Cagle Pennsylvania

This is LaMona Phillips your Cagle Cuz. Did I miss a story about Leonhart Kegel cap. I read about the Cagle goldmine in John G. Cagle Journal. Is the story about Leonhart Kegel Cap there. I don't get my Journals until it's late here in CA. LaMona

Phil, There is a coat of arms floating around out there somewhere. I believe the one that appears most often is Austrian. I have a copy somewhere and someday I will run across it. Perhaps someone else fill on the list will find one first. David pcjj@jobe.net wrote: > Does anyone know if the Cagle's have a Coat of Arms listed anywhere! > > Phil > > ==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List Of Geneaogy Sites On the Net > http://www.cyndislist.com/

Mary Ann wrote: _____________________ Earl, just think how far we have come in such a short time!! You are doing a fantastic job and your efforts are appreciated by all. I would like to hear more Cagle stories; just loved the one about Leonhardt's hat being passed down the line from generation to generation and presently resting in a museum. Have you heard about the Cagle gold mine? Another idea: how about everyone typing their impressions about certain individuals; let's begin with Leonhardt Kegel, for starters. Then, each of the children until we get it down pat; stories, dates, etc. (Think dates should be valid and sourced!) Let's post reunions, too! Mary Ann Brown _______________________ Mary Ann & List, Thank you for your nice comments, about me and the list. Yes, the Cagle stories are very nice, and we need more of them. Yes, I read the article abot the Cagle Gold Mne. John G.Cagle, had a nice story about it in a recent newsletter. As it stands now the sources for information on Leonhart Kegel, are limited. >From the time he & or family departed the Loyal Judith, alot of records haven't been found. He was married in Germany, and I would think more of their children were baptised there. This in my opinion is where alot of his & famlies research needs to be focused. There have been records found in Sembach, Germany. Are there more records in and around that part of Germany? This is partialy determined by their survival. Written records can be lost & destroyed. One question is how many of them survied? The other is how do we go about finding them? What can we do as a group of people, living far away from Germany? Wouldn't it be nice to document his marriages? Also document the children born to these marriages. >From 1684 at the year of his birth until 1732, alot of things happend. Did he first mary at say 21 yrs. old? What happend to his first wife? How many children did they have? When did he get married the second time? How many children were born to this marriage. Did he buy or sell property & pay taxes? There are far more questions than there are answers. But we can answer some of them if we are determined enough. The idea of posting Family Reunions is a good one. Anyone wishing to do so, can go right ahead. Earl

earl and list how about this: i am going to germany in either october of this year or for sure in april of next year (sorry about missing caps, had surgery on my needed thumb). although i won't be there very long, i could go to sembach and see what i could find for us? i won't be able to spend a lot of time on it, so let's find out what is really needed and what is really important. it is still some time away, but i made a resolution to bring something back that will be helpfull to us on the list. earl, your contribution to the list is priceless sandra and freddie bertholomey

Phil wrote: _________ Does anyone know if the Cagle's have a Coat of Arms listed anywhere! Phil __________ Phil, To my knowledge no such Coat of Arms exist. There are seveal places that would lke for you to beleive there is. My advice to you & anyone else on the list, is to save your hard earned money. Earl

Wendy Siegel wrote: _________________ The only thing I can think of to make this wonderful list better is to have someone coordinate all the info, which, as I understand, someone is trying to do. I am wrapped up in doctoral studies at the moment, so all I've had time to do is breifly scan and file the info for later reference, but I hope to be able to contribute more to the list in a few months. Also, is there an archive of posts somewhere for reference? Thanks to everyone for all the great info! Wendy Siegel _____________________ Wendy & List, Thank you for your comments & sugestions. This is the search engine site, that allows you to search all archived postings. The site is easy to use & is self explanatory. Good luck Wendy, in your course work. http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Earl

Greg wrote: Earl, I would like to volunteer to transcribe a passenger list, but your email did not included an website or email address to contact the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild. It looks like you intended to insert a link or address, but it isn't there in my email message. Greg ____________ Greg & List, This is their website, and at the bottom of the page is their e-mail link. This is a great orgainization that is helping many people. http://istg.rootsweb.com/index1.html Earl

Earl, I would like to volunteer to transcribe a passenger list, but your email did not included an website or email address to contact the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild. It looks like you intended to insert a link or address, but it isn't there in my email message. Greg

Does anyone know if the Cagle's have a Coat of Arms listed anywhere! Phil

Earl, just think how far we have come in such a short time!! You are doing a fantastic job and your efforts are appreciated by all. I would like to hear more Cagle stories; just loved the one about Leonhardt's hat being passed down the line from generation to generation and presently resting in a museum. Have you heard about the Cagle gold mine? Another idea: how about everyone typing their impressions about certain individuals; let's begin with Leonhardt Kegel, for starters. Then, each of the children until we get it down pat; stories, dates, etc. (Think dates should be valid and sourced!) Let's post reunions, too! Mary Ann Brown maryann@wxs.com or maryannpbrown@Juno.com -----Original Message----- From: Earl Cagle <earl1947@webtv.net> To: CAGLE-L@rootsweb.com <CAGLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 5:13 PM Subject: Cagle Mail List The Cagle list, was started by me on 11-16-98. So we are commng up on three months now. This seems to have generated alot of interest, as we have over 80 subscribers. However, I feel this list isn't doing everything it could for, Cagle research. So in order to get more of you involved, and to futher our research, I am taking sugestions. What can we do to make this list work for everyone? What records are needed, and what can we do to get them? What do you like about this list? What do you dis- like? What area of Cagle research needs more attention? Your ideas are important to me, and your help is needed. Lets see if we can make this one of the best surname lists on rootsweb. Please mail your ideas to me or the list. Thank You, Earl ==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== Family Tree Maker's Internet Site http://www.familytreemaker.com/

The Cagle list, was started by me on 11-16-98. So we are commng up on three months now. This seems to have generated alot of interest, as we have over 80 subscribers. However, I feel this list isn't doing everything it could for, Cagle research. So in order to get more of you involved, and to futher our research, I am taking sugestions. What can we do to make this list work for everyone? What records are needed, and what can we do to get them? What do you like about this list? What do you dis- like? What area of Cagle research needs more attention? Your ideas are important to me, and your help is needed. Lets see if we can make this one of the best surname lists on rootsweb. Please mail your ideas to me or the list. Thank You, Earl

The Ship Teutonia departed from Hamburg, Germany on October 03, 1868 and arrived in New York on October 20, 1868.  I have compiled the following list of passengers from two sources:  microfilmed copies of the original 15 handwritten Hamburg pages,  and the printed version that appeared in  Germans to America Volume #22 by Glazier & Filby.    The book Germans to America had the following discrepancies: 1.  They listed only 474 of the 532 passengers on the Hamburg microfilm. 2.  Passengers' towns were not listed in the book. 3.  German spellings were changed from ü and ö, to ue and oe. 4.  Infants ages are listed by months, the microfilm did not note them. It is very difficult to read the old handwriting on the Hamburg pages.  Every effort has been made to assure the accuracy of this list.   The towns were checked on maps, and in a 1875 book of German cities and villages by Dr. Gerhard Kasang. He has been kind enough to review this list and correct any apparent errors. Note:    The Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild  is enlisting volunteers to help in obtaining ship's passengers list for posting on the Internet.  Your help is needed to transcribe the lists and make them available to genealogy researchers.  If you have a list in your possession,  please submit it for posting or provide a link to your site. You may volunteer to transcribe any ship that is not posted, or let them assign one for you.  A simple typed list is all that is required. Visit their site and check for the names of ships, passengers, and sailing dates by clicking here:   Immigrant Ships  Kagels, Johann 22 M Laborer Dagelsdorf Christine 37 F Wife Minna 07 F Child Fritz 06 M Child Johanne 03 F Child Wilhelm .09MInfant

Looking for information on the family of Jessie and Elizabeth CAGLE of Mississippi. Jessie CAGLE, b. abt 1860, prob. MS, d.1896-1900; married Elizabeth ("Lizzie") abt 1883. Lizzie was b. 1863 MS and d. abt 1903 Copiah Co MS. Lizzie married (2) in 1901 Copiah Co MS, my g-grandfather, Joseph S. FAIRCHILD. Cbildren of Jessie and Lizzie CAGLE: Mamie, b. 1884, d. 1916 Walter, b. 1885, d. 1966 Collins, Covington Co, MS Jesse, b. 1889, d. abt 1910 Maggie, b. 1883, d. 1973 Baton Rouge, LA Carroll Lee ("Sexton"), b. 1891, d. 1975 Collins, Covington Co, MS Mamie married her stepfather, Joseph Fairchild, after her mother Lizzie died. The last two children were raised by Joseph Fairchild and took the surname "Fairchild." Would like to know the parents of Lizzie and how Jessie ties into the other CAGLE families. Merritt mmullen@ridgecrest.ca.us Merritt D. Mullen Ridgecrest, CA

David & List, Yes, I had forgot that it had stated Jacob Cagle, was born in NC. Here you have two Jacob Cagle's, both b.1755 in different states. However, I do beleive these Cagle's, are connected. All of us on this list with the Cagle surname, know how people can mis-spell our name. For my part I have had people spell it Kagle, Kegel, Cogle, etc. However it was easy for us to have people, spell it correctly. Imagine 1750's and you speak German, and on top of that you may be illiterate. There are records as late as 1890's, in Pennsylvania where it was still spelled, Kegel. So it was some time in comming before Kegel, at last became, Cagle. Some of these names Tom Cagle found, have a familiar sound. Abraham Cagle, being one that was hard to place. The jury is still out, but he may well have been the one that died during the War of 1812. Solomon Cagle, is another one who has been hard to track. These Cagle's, Tom discovered could be a missing lineage. The important thing here above all else, is giving them their proper place in our long line of, Cagles. This after all is the Cagle List, and mabey one day we can put them all in their proper order. Earl

Phil, Jacob is shown in the 1850 census of Grundy Co., TN. On the same census page were: Jacob Cagle 75 NC M. (f) 72 NC John Cagle 50 NC B. (f) 50 NC J. L. Smith 25 NC George Cagle 31 NC C. (f) 26 TN Isabella 8 TN M. A. 6 TN M. 4 TN W. 1 TN Tabitha Cagle 27 TN H. E. 5 TN D. M. 2 TN I don't know the relationship of any of the above, and don't know the sex of the children listed. This Cagle Family apparently left Grundy Co. after 1850. To my knowledge, there were no Cagles enumerated in the 1860 and 1870 census of that county. Benjamin Cagle of Warren Co., was living there in 1880. In Grundy County, 21 August, 1873, I have a marriage record of C. T. Cagle and Martha Tate. David pcjj@jobe.net wrote: > David, > > Thank you so much for the info on Jacob Jr. If I can make the connection > this will be great. Would you happen to know how many children Jacob > Jr. had and what there names were. If he has a son by the name of John > or could possibly be John Jacob married to a Sara Brown, it is my > connection. Thanks for all the help! > > Phil Cagle

Tom and Others, A very interesting post re the PA Cagles. Shows that much research needs to be done. There were many Cagles or people with Cagle-sounding names that came to PA from Germany in the 1700's. I have listed a few following: In addition to Leonhart in 1732 and 1737, there was Johannes Kagleburger in 1740; Thomas Kegel in 1750; Martin Kagle in 1751; Jacob Kugel 1751; Henrich Kagele in 1754, and Henrich Kagel in 1765. These are a few of the easy ones that I could find. I am sure there are others. Leonhart, the one most of us have chosen as our ancestor, could be related to just about any of the others above. Most of the Early Cagles in NC had a son named Jacob. John "Dutchman" Cagle listed a son Jacob in his will. Apparently this Jacob was born ca 1766 and died in the 1850's in Habersham or Hall Co., GA. He was enumerated in the 1840 and 1850 census of Hall Co., GA. Henry Cagle, Sr. d. 1802, had a son Jacob, b. 1770's, d. 1840's in Moore Co., NC. The Jacob Cagle, b. 1755, according to his Revolutionary War Pension Application, was born on the headwaters of the Deep River in NC. Therefore, he would not likely be the Jacob listed as the son of Michael in PA. It has been assumed that the Jacob of Deep River in NC was the son of David Cagle, b. 1728 Ger. I don't know how we are going to prove all of this? David Earl Cagle wrote: > Tom wrote: > <snip> > Here Goes: > ---Michael Kuchle and wife Magdalena have a son Jacob b. c 1755 and > baptised Jan. 25, 1756. This family then disappears from the church > record until 1774 at which time a confirmation record in 1774 for Louisa > Kiegli age 14 whose father is listed as Michael is recorded. In 1775 > Jacob Kagle shows up as a sponsor in the baptism of another infant. Then > in 1777 Louisa Kagle is sponsor in yet another baptism. > Before going on with the rest permit some speculation. I think this > Michael Kuchle might be the same Michael Cogle Earl found in Amity Twp > Berks Co in 1752 . This Berks AmityTwp is close to Lower MucungieTwp in > Lehigh CO where the church is located. It may also be the same Michael > Keigel who has a land warrant in Northampton CO in 1752. > To go on, a series of baptisms show up for Jacob Kagle and wife > Catherina (at times spelled Catherine) Also note that the Kagle name is > is spelled differently, but Jacob and Catherina are always the parents. > Jacob Kagle and Catherine daughter b. March 18, 1778, Lousia Kagle is > one of the sponsors. > The following are children ofJacob Kigli and Catherina: > --Johannes Kigli b. March 10, 1780 > --Abraham b. March 20, 1782 > --Anna Catherine b. June 22, 1784 > --Salome b. October 21, 1786 > --Jacob b. October 24, 1787 > --Jonathan August 29, 1789 > --Lydia b. December 2, 1790 > --Solomon b. March 14, 1793 > --Benjamin b. August 10, 1795. (In this case the family name is spelled > Kogli) > Confirmations: > Johannes Kagle age 13, 1793, father JK > Abraham Kagle age 15, 1797, father Jacob Catherina Kagle age 15,1797 > father JK > There is also mention of a Gertraut Kagle and her husband Christian > Weber as sponsors in another baptism. > Here is some more speculation and please remember it is put forth just > for discussion. > I think Michael Kuchle is the father of at least Jacob Kigli who married > Catharina and whose children are listed above and Lousia Kagle confirmed > at age 14. I suspect this Michael is the Michael Cogle of Amity Twp > Berks Co 1752 and of the land warrants for Northampton Co 1752. If he is > one of the "Cagles" is he one of Leonhart's sons or some other line and > if he is a son is he a new one or one of the ones we know about by > another name? > Who is Jacob Kigli (Kagle) and how does he fit into the line? > At any rate there it is and I would be interested in your comments! > Tom Cagle > Saegertown, PA > _________________ > Tom & List > Man what a find you have here. This puts our Cagle > research, in a new perspective. > This data may answer some questions about a few, > Cagles. What Iam about to say is speculation on my > part. John G.Cagle in some of his articles, often > wondered who the parents of Abraham Cagle, were. > He is listed among the muster rolls of the War of > 1812. Abraham, served from 13 Nov 1814 until his > death on 17 March 1815. It is assumed that his pay > went to his heirs. > Also it was thought that John "Dutchman" Cagle, > was the father of, Jacob Cagle Sr. b. April 1755. > However, this puts a whole different perspective on > who his father was. This Michael & Magdalena Cagle, may well prove to be > his parents. > Tom & List, I am going to say for my part that you > have found a gold mine here. > This is going to take some time to absorb for me. > Looks like were going to have to back up, and take > another look at our research. > Very good find Tom, and keep it comming. > Earl > > ==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > Cyndi's List Of Geneaogy Sites On the Net > http://www.cyndislist.com/