Hi David-- Thank you for the response to my William question. Do you have other info on Jacob's family? (Jacob being the son of John Dutchman.) I do not have a William listed as Jacob's son. It would be great if you have a list of children for Jacob that I could compare with mine. I am descended from this line, so I'm very interested in clearing up some questions I have. I would really appreciate any help you can give me--Jill

Is the Joseph Cagle that married Elizabeth S. Jinks in 1830 the Joseph Cagle that was born 1-21-1808 and died 4-14-1873? I show a Joseph Cagle that married an Elizabeth S. around 1829. Their children were Nancy, John, Elijah, Adaline, David, Thomas, Joseph, Mary, Judson, Benjamin, and Leonard. I believe both Joseph and Elizabeth S. were born around Cabarrus Co., NC. Could these be the same? Also, I have found an interesting history of Cabarrus Co. It does not specifically mention Cagles, but it explains much about how life was during the years our ancestors lived in the area. Would anyone be interested in this? Jill

Doyle, thank you for your imput. I wonder if any person in our group has ever attempted to check old guild lists, etc.? As for me, I would not have a clue how I could pursue this matter. When we were visiting Belgium a few years ago one had to be impressed with the importance of guilds over the years. Your explanation made sense to me. During the meantime I am going to assume the Kegels, Cagles, etc., were initially concerned with wood and offsprings, thereof. Thank you. Mary Ann Brown maryann@wxs.com ----Original Message----- From: Doyle W. Chambers <dwchambers@mindspring.com> To: CAGLE-L@rootsweb.com <CAGLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 11:35 AM Subject: Kegel name and possible origins. >Hi all, > at Earl's prompting I want to share my thoughts on the Kegel name >meaning. Most of your comments on this have been correct. > As I am probably much older than most on the list, my memories go back >further. As a young man in Dekalb Co, Al, my paternal Kuykendall relatives, >also from the Rhine regions, always refered to ninepins, or bowling, as >kegelling. They called a ninepin a kegel, and bowling as " knocking down >some kegel's" > Any wooden pin or cone shaped object was a "kegel". A wood worker, or >wagon or barrel maker was a kegelmeister, or Kegle maker. This was many >years prior to my learning that my maternal lines were Cagles. > > Looking further into this I find, in my college German dictionaries, the >following definitions. > >Result of search for "Kegel": > >(with) bag and baggage -- (mit) Kind und Kegel >bag and baggage -- Kind und Kegel >cones -- Kegel >ninepins -- Kegel >pin -- der Kegel >skittle -- Kegel >taper -- Kegel >tenpin -- Kegel > >tenpin s. Amerikanisches Englisch 1. Kegel m; 2. Plural Singular >konstruiert Amerikanisches Englisch Bowling n >************************************************* > >Now, how this would apply to Leonhart Kegel, I don't know. It could be it >simply was an anglicized way of refering to him as a woodworker, barrel >maker, or wagon maker, all of which his family apparently did over the >years. It appears not to be a place name, but rather an occupational >surname. Many such surnames orginated that way. Many surnames came from the >occupational guilds a person belonged to such as Waggoner, Goldsmith, >Fisher, etc. > > Hope this helps someone. > >Best wishes to all and happy hunting, Doyle > > > >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/7886 Family site > >http://www.my-ged.com/sterkkn Gendex site > > >==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > >Ground Work One Of My Favorites >http://members.aol.com/ssmadonna/index.htm >

Hi all, at Earl's prompting I want to share my thoughts on the Kegel name meaning. Most of your comments on this have been correct. As I am probably much older than most on the list, my memories go back further. As a young man in Dekalb Co, Al, my paternal Kuykendall relatives, also from the Rhine regions, always refered to ninepins, or bowling, as kegelling. They called a ninepin a kegel, and bowling as " knocking down some kegel's" Any wooden pin or cone shaped object was a "kegel". A wood worker, or wagon or barrel maker was a kegelmeister, or Kegle maker. This was many years prior to my learning that my maternal lines were Cagles. Looking further into this I find, in my college German dictionaries, the following definitions. Result of search for "Kegel": (with) bag and baggage -- (mit) Kind und Kegel bag and baggage -- Kind und Kegel cones -- Kegel ninepins -- Kegel pin -- der Kegel skittle -- Kegel taper -- Kegel tenpin -- Kegel tenpin s. Amerikanisches Englisch 1. Kegel m; 2. Plural Singular konstruiert Amerikanisches Englisch Bowling n ************************************************* Now, how this would apply to Leonhart Kegel, I don't know. It could be it simply was an anglicized way of refering to him as a woodworker, barrel maker, or wagon maker, all of which his family apparently did over the years. It appears not to be a place name, but rather an occupational surname. Many such surnames orginated that way. Many surnames came from the occupational guilds a person belonged to such as Waggoner, Goldsmith, Fisher, etc. Hope this helps someone. Best wishes to all and happy hunting, Doyle http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/7886 Family site http://www.my-ged.com/sterkkn Gendex site

Hi Earl and cousins, My sincere apologies for my infrequent appearence here. I have been over worked with personal problems at home lately. I do have a serious question I hope someone here can help me with though. Since the beginning of my research two years ago on my Cagle lines, I have relied on a personal letter from John G. Cagle, written in 1982, which stated that Leonard Cagle b. abt 1780, was the father of my gggrandfather Benjamin Franklin Cagle, b. 1819 in NC. John G. and I share Benjamin Franklin Cagle as a common gggrandfather. A subsequent phone message from John G. Cagle verified this to me two years ago. A later analysis and paper by Gerri Cagle George, agreed with this and sent census records of the families in that time. She did state however that there were apparently two Leonard Cagles in the same areas at the same time. Gerri has done much research in this area, and she also shares Benjamin F. as a common gggranfather with John and I. They both are from Benjamin F. Jr., while I am from his sister Anna Caroline Cagle. John G. states Leonard was born circa 1780 in either Moore, Mecklenburg, or Montgomery county in NC. He then tracks him through the years down to Chattooga County, Ga in 1850. age 70 in that census. I have copies of all these censuses. It appears now, however that there was a Leonard Cagle who continued on to Arkansas and had further children there. I have, somewhere in my mess of files, a gedcom from a California family which lists this Leonard as their ancestor, verified by Bible records they list. These records also record their Leonard as father of Benjamin Franklin Cagle. I think they are in error, but need help proving it. I feel that our Leonard died in GA,and is buried there. At age 70, the time would not seem to allow for another family in Arkansas. Can anyone here help me straighten this mess out. How about it John Speight, you called it a mess once. Help..., I'm hung up and can't get past Leonard. In my second post, I will attempt to explain my thoughts on the name Kegel and it's origin. Best wishes to all, Doyle http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/7886 Family site http://www.my-ged.com/sterkkn Gendex site

Hello List-- I am looking for info on a William C. Cagle b. @1799 in NC, m. 2-20-1820, d. 4-17-1881 in Hall Co. GA. He married Mary (Polly) Cagle b. 4-1796 in NC, d. 11-8-1865 in Hall Co. GA. Mary was the daughter of Jacob Cagle, son of John Dutchman Cagle. It is rumored that William was a cousin. The other Williams that I show for John Dutchmans brothers all seem to be accounted for. Can anyone help me? Thanks--Jill

Hello: New to this list. Wife's Grandma was Sally Cagle Britt w/o Nelson "Ned" Britt. Sally and "Ned" were probably married in the southern part of Henderson Co., TN as children were born in Luray, TN. Three of Sally CAGLE's sisters married three of 'Ned" BRITT's brothers. One sister Lessie CAGLE m: Wm. BRITT. Other bro's were James and Abe Lincoln "Link" BRITT. Girls names unknown at this time. The four CAGLE girls also had at least one brother Sameul CAGLE. Have just started researching wife's family so my existing information is meager to say the least. Looking for any information to help me establish parentage of the CAGLE siblings and any informtion re: the individuals themselves. Thanx for any help. I really need it. Clyde <gotcher@ktis.net>

Leonhart Kegel had a large black hat , that he wore most of the time. Leonhart handed the hat down to John "Dutchman" Cagle, who died in 1799, in North Carolina. John "Dutchman" handed it down to his youngest son William who was born 1788-1860. William passed the hat down to his son Isaac , who was born 1790-1860 . Isaac gave the hat to his oldest son John Westley, who in turn handed it down to his younger brother Spinks. Spinks then gave the hat to his sister , who sold the hat to Neil Isaac Andrew Cagle, he in turn gave the hat to Bob Baker who donated the hat to the Rocky Mt. Museum (I have seen the hat, it looks like a big black top hat) and should still be there. the photo was xeroxed on a paper not a good one , I was wondering if we have any Cagle's in are group who live in North Carolina , that might know where this Museum is an be able to go there and get a real photo and see what they have written about it. ???? The Chair Story There was a chair that Leonhart would stand on while waiting for his father to come home from work . This chair was donated to a Museum. Later this museum burnt down and the chair was lost. This museum was in PA. (Their must have been family left in PA, because who ever it was gave this chair to them.) Nancy Jane

Earl, My list is essentially that of John G. Cagle. David Children of Leonhart Kegel, 1684-1750's Leonhart Kegel and 1st wife, Maria Elizabeth Children: Maira Margareta Leonhart Kegel and 2nd wife, Susanna Children: David Cagle, b 04/29/1728, d. 1784-90 Henry Sr., d. 1802 John "Dutchman," d. 1799 Leonard, d. after 1805 Charles, Sr., d. 1801 George, d 1825 Mary Cagle, bedford Co. VA Nancy Ann Cagle, Bedford Co. Va Earl Cagle wrote: > Hello List, > Here is what I am proposing to our Cagle list. > Anyone or everyone can take part in this. Of > course this is all up to each of you. > Post to the list who you feel are Leonhart > Kegel's, known children. > We pretty much know that he was married > twice. For now we are not placing the known > children, to the proper mother. > This will hopefuly be taken care of later on. > My part in this is to gather the data, from each > one of you who wants to participate. > Then I will post this as a whole posting to the > list. Don't be too concerned about dates of > birth, or dates of death. Your best estimate is > just fine. The goal of all of this is to come to > a logical agreement, as to his children. > Earl > > ==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > > Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild > You may get lucky and find some ancestors > http://istg.rootsweb.com/index1.html

John wrote: ______________ Earl and List - Those in the 1850 census for Montgomery Co, NC are indeed related to Martin and Lardicie Boling. Also, the Bollings are related to Peter Cagle in Cherokee Co, A (he married Rachel Boling) This Martin - 61 yrs old in 1850 - was son of Henry Cagle and Catarena Seitz. John Speight ________________ John & List, Hey!, this is working out pretty well. You David, & others put them to their family group, after I post records. Looks like great team work to me, and in turn this will help alot of people:) Earl

LaMona wrote: __________________ Earl and Cagle Cuz this is LaMona I have typed up the 300th Anniversary of Leonhart Kegel German Immigrant to America. I did this many moons ago I'ts typed in Word perfect 5.5 and revised from my old computer the floppy disk to C drive on my new computer WORD 97 at this point I'm not smart enough to figure out how to send to CAGLE list without it being returned to me in chicken scratch. I will probably take out time and type this in plain text and send on as there are friends that prob don't have Mr. John G. Cagle story this was part of the Cagle introduction back in 1985. He states that Leonhart Kegel arrived at the PA port on the ship Loyal Judith September 25, 1732 is this the day he took his Oath. LaMona ________________________ LaMona, This would be very kind of you to do this for the list. Looks like you have already gotten some good advice, as to the best way to post this. For my part, this is something I haven't read. This I am sure is true for several people also. Earl

These census records, may be of help to some of you. Earl ___________________________________ USGENWEB CENSUS PROJECT ARCHIVES UPLOADS. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwcens/> <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/> ARKANSAS. 1880 Sharp County (Johnson and Cave townships added) <ftp://rootsweb.com/pub/census/ar/sharp/1880/> GEORGIA. 1850 Camden County    <ftp://rootsweb.com/pub/census/ga/camden/1850/> ILLINOIS. 1850 Hamilton County    <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/il/hamilton/1850/> IOWA. 1860 Benton County (two townships added)    <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/ia/benton/1860/> KANSAS. 1860 Nemaha County    <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/ks/nemaha/1860/> KENTUCKY. 1870 Marshall County    <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/ky/marshall/1870/> MISSISSIPPI. 1830 Simpson County    <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/ms/simpson/1830/> MISSISSIPPI. 1850 Sunflower County    <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/ms/sunflower/1850/> NORTH CAROLINA. 1800 Burke County    <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/nc/burke/1800/> NORTH CAROLINA. 1850 Stanley County [N.B.: URL works as given]    <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/nc/stanly/1850/> NORTH CAROLINA. 1840 Stokes County    <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/nc/stokes/1840/> PENNSYLVANIA. 1870 Somerset County (Lower Turkey Foot township)    <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/pa/somerset/1870/> WISCONSIN. 1850. Portage County. Surname Index   <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/census/wi/portage/1850/>

As a service to this list I am including some news from rootsweb. Earl ________________________ ISTG <http://istg.rootsweb.com>. Transcriptions of passenger lists for 404 ships have been uploaded by the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild as of 16 February 1999. Approximately 500 volunteers continue to transcribe lists that will be uploaded as they are completed. Additional volunteer transcribers will be accepted on a quarterly basis (see the ISTG FAQs for details). The passenger lists are searchable by: (1) Date (1600s, 1700s, 1800s, 1900s); (2) Ship's Name (by country, to date including Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, England, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Panama, Portugal, Scotland, Spain, Sweden, Venezuela, Wales, and the West Indies); (3) Port of Arrival (to date including Baltimore, Maryland; Canada; Galveston, Texas; Massachusetts; New Orleans, Louisiana; New York, New York; New Zealand; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Port Jackson, NSW, Australia; Virginia; and Wilmington, North Carolina); and (4) Surname and Captain's Name.                                                  *   *   * GENEALOGY BOOKS. A free service for RootsWeb mailing list subscribers. List used genealogy books you wish to sell at: <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~ayrshire/indexbookmall.html>                                                  *   *   * HELPDESK TIPS. For answers to most of your questions about using the resources hosted by RootsWeb, please read the FAQs at the RootsWeb HelpDesk: <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/>.                                       *   *   *   *   * DONATIONS TO HELP SUPPORT ROOTSWEB ARE GREATLY APPRECIATED. For details about support levels/benefits and payment options, please visit: <http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html> or send e-mail to: <RW-info@rootsweb.com>. RootsWeb's address is: RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative, P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798. (Please include your e-mail address on all correspondence and checks.)                                       *   *   *   *   *

This came to me from our Cagle Query Site. Would someone on the list, please invite him to join us? Earl ______________________________ NAME: Kevin Cagle EMAIL: kcagle@bgnet.bgsu.edu SURNAMES: Cagle, Britt, Ingold, Moore DATE: Feb 18 1999 QRYTEXT: I am only a rookie at this research as well, however it is well known that most Cagle's come from a Leonard Kegel (Cagle) who arrived from the Palentine in Germany on the ship Loyal Judith at Philadelphia in 1732. He and his family settled in southern Randolph County North Carolina by 1770. There is a book which I am trying to locate called Cagle's in the south where most of the work has already been done. I have traced myself as a 10th generation, Kevin-James-Murdo-John Charles-Branson-Martin-Henry Jr.-Henry Sr.-Leonard. I have been able to get most of this from family, since we still have an annual reuion for John Charles and his ancestors (Murdo and his brothers and sisters and their families). It is held in Randolph County NC, where I was born, though I now live in Ohio.

Hello List, Here is what I am proposing to our Cagle list. Anyone or everyone can take part in this. Of course this is all up to each of you. Post to the list who you feel are Leonhart Kegel's, known children. We pretty much know that he was married twice. For now we are not placing the known children, to the proper mother. This will hopefuly be taken care of later on. My part in this is to gather the data, from each one of you who wants to participate. Then I will post this as a whole posting to the list. Don't be too concerned about dates of birth, or dates of death. Your best estimate is just fine. The goal of all of this is to come to a logical agreement, as to his children. Earl

LaMona Phillips wrote: > > Earl and Cagle Cuz this is LaMona I have typed up the 300th Anniversary of > Leonhart Kegel German Immigrant to America. I did this many moons ago I'ts > typed in Word perfect 5.5 and revised from my old computer the floppy disk Hi Lamona and list, You do not have to retype it. It is very easy to import to Word 97. So as not to tie up space on here, mail me privately and I will take you thru the easy steps to import it and save you the time from typing it over. John Taylor Saint Louis, MO -- Have Fun - Love Life - Play Safe Researching TAYLOR, VIARS, KING, LOCKARD & CAGLE Surnames

Earl and Cagle Cuz this is LaMona I have typed up the 300th Anniversary of Leonhart Kegel German Immigrant to America. I did this many moons ago I'ts typed in Word perfect 5.5 and revised from my old computer the floppy disk to C drive on my new computer WORD 97 at this point I'm not smart enough to figure out how to send to CAGLE list without it being returned to me in chicken scratch. I will probably take out time and type this in plain text and send on as there are friends that prob don't have Mr. John G. Cagle story this was part of the Cagle introduction back in 1985. He states that Leonhart Kegel arrived at the PA port on the ship Loyal Judith September 25, 1732 is this the day he took his Oath. LaMona

LaMona - Convert that WordPerfect file to Word97 or some such. Then save in text(.txt) format. If you use MS Word, block or highlight the part of the text you want to send. Then, click on edit, send click "copy". This puts the text on your desktop. Go to your email, start a new message to Cagle-l@rootsweb.com, move to the body of the message, then click "edit" in upper toolbar, then click "paste". And voila. John Speight -----Original Message----- From: LaMona Phillips <lphilli@lightspeed.net> To: CAGLE-L@rootsweb.com <CAGLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 3:48 AM Subject: 300th Anniversary >Earl and Cagle Cuz this is LaMona I have typed up the 300th Anniversary of >Leonhart Kegel German Immigrant to America. I did this many moons ago I'ts >typed in Word perfect 5.5 and revised from my old computer the floppy disk >to C drive on my new computer WORD 97 at this point I'm not smart enough to >figure out how to send to CAGLE list without it being returned to me in >chicken scratch. I will probably take out time and type this in plain text >and send on as there are friends that prob don't have Mr. John G. Cagle >story this was part of the Cagle introduction back in 1985. He states that >Leonhart Kegel arrived at the PA port on the ship Loyal Judith September 25, >1732 is this the day he took his Oath. LaMona > > >==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > >Cagle Family Web Page >http://www.familyshoebox.com/family/CaglesGermanytoAmerica/ > >

Earl and List - Those in the 1850 census for Montgomery Co, NC are indeed related to Martin and Lardicie Boling. Also, the Bollings are related to Peter Cagle in Cherokee Co, A (he married Rachel Boling) This Martin - 61 yrs old in 1850 - was son of Henry Cagle and Catarena Seitz. John Speight -----Original Message----- From: Earl Cagle <earl1947@webtv.net> To: CAGLE-L@rootsweb.com <CAGLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 10:11 PM Subject: Children Of Leonhart David wrote: <snip> If my assumptions are correct, and I am relying on others heavily, David, b. 1728, Ger., d. 1784-90 Cabarrus Co., NC, did have a son Henry Cagle, Sr., b. ca 1760, d. after 1837, perhaps in Hardin Co. TN. This Henry, Sr. lived in Mecklenburg Co., NC in 1790, then for many years in Cabarrus and Montgomery Co., NC. He was shown on the 1833 Tax List of Hardin Co., TN, filed for vacant land there in 1837, but never completed the process to get title to the land. David ______________________ David & List, This information David has, I agree with. This is the best we can do for now, with what we have. For Jodie: Is this the Martin Cagle, your looking for? 1850 Montgomery Co; NC Census Cagle, Martin 61, Diza 61, Benjamn 36, Rhoda 26, John 24, Martin Jr. 23, Sarah 19, James 17, NC NC 492-494 Cagle, Isham 31, Hannah 28, Benjamin 8, James 7, Calvin 4, Tabitha 2, Diza 5/12, NC NC 494-496 Cagle, Martin C. 42, Lydia 26, Riley 15, Branson 13, Disa 12, Sarah 10, Elizabeth 8, John 3, Jonathan 1, King, William 34 NC NC NC 497-499 ( William King Lydia Cagle's brother?) Cagle, William 44, Sarah 26, Louisa 20, Louisa 20, Calvin 18, Mary A. 7, Bolins, Gardner 62 NC NC NC 505-507 ( Looks like a second marriage for William. Mary A. Cagle, his & Sarah's? Gardner Bolins her father?) Looks like Martin Cagle 61 & Diza Cagle 61 ? (Disa) are the Patriarch & Matriarch of this large family. Earl ==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== Cagle Family Genealogy Forum http://genforum.familytreemaker.com/cagle/

David wrote: <snip> If my assumptions are correct, and I am relying on others heavily, David, b. 1728, Ger., d. 1784-90 Cabarrus Co., NC, did have a son Henry Cagle, Sr., b. ca 1760, d. after 1837, perhaps in Hardin Co. TN. This Henry, Sr. lived in Mecklenburg Co., NC in 1790, then for many years in Cabarrus and Montgomery Co., NC. He was shown on the 1833 Tax List of Hardin Co., TN, filed for vacant land there in 1837, but never completed the process to get title to the land. David ______________________ David & List, This information David has, I agree with. This is the best we can do for now, with what we have. For Jodie: Is this the Martin Cagle, your looking for? 1850 Montgomery Co; NC Census Cagle, Martin 61, Diza 61, Benjamn 36, Rhoda 26, John 24, Martin Jr. 23, Sarah 19, James 17, NC NC 492-494 Cagle, Isham 31, Hannah 28, Benjamin 8, James 7, Calvin 4, Tabitha 2, Diza 5/12, NC NC 494-496 Cagle, Martin C. 42, Lydia 26, Riley 15, Branson 13, Disa 12, Sarah 10, Elizabeth 8, John 3, Jonathan 1, King, William 34 NC NC NC 497-499 ( William King Lydia Cagle's brother?) Cagle, William 44, Sarah 26, Louisa 20, Louisa 20, Calvin 18, Mary A. 7, Bolins, Gardner 62 NC NC NC 505-507 ( Looks like a second marriage for William. Mary A. Cagle, his & Sarah's? Gardner Bolins her father?) Looks like Martin Cagle 61 & Diza Cagle 61 ? (Disa) are the Patriarch & Matriarch of this large family. Earl