Lee, This was a mistake on my part as to John Adam, being a son of, George Cagle. Instead of relying on my memory I should have checked my records. Earl

Lee & List, As to Valentine Cagle's, date of death I don't know. He was on Warren Co; Tn's; tax list for 1812. He was not however, listed on Warren Co's census for 1820. John & Jacob Cagle, were the only men listed there for 1820. >From memory I seem to think Valentine, was on a 1815 tax list also. So my educated guess on his death date would be 1816 - 1819. There is a very good chance he is buried in Warren Co; Tn. Finding his grave however, would be quite a chore. The sad fact is that many of our ancestors grave markers, have been destroyed over the years. This is why it is so important that we record data from cemeteries now. For those of you with some spare time, rootsweb sponsors a transcription project. This is a wonderful project, and an excellent way to preserve our cemetery records. Vist their home page if you want more info. on their Cemetery Transcription Project. http://www.rootsweb.com/ Earl

Subj: Cagle Date: 6/15/99 10:39:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: mashburn1@worldnet.att.net (Maxine Smith) To: Njbalmer@aol.com I am searching for information on my Cagle family and am confused as to where they fit in. My gg-grandmother Ferbie Lee Cagle was born Aug 5, 1845 in TN., probably Monroe County. She married Stephen Saffell 05 Aug. 1863 in Monroe County, TN. Her parents were John Kagle/Cagle born 1802 in NC and Phereby Rogers. Everything I have seen so far, i.e. History of Monroe County, TN, and other miscellaneous documents, say he is the son of William C. Cagle and Mary Barrett. John's sister Phereby is shown on the 1850 Census in Sevier County, TN with Mary age 91 and William age 96. Phereby is 34. Do these children indeed belong to William and Mary, and if so, how is the approx. 60 year span in age explained. The Monroe County History article also stated that William was married twice. 1st to Sarah Bruer and 2nd to Mary Barrett. Have you determined any truth in Mary Barrett being his second wife? Thought you would like to see this one. nancy Jane Tarzana, CA. April

I agree with both of you. It would be especially helpful if someone would post the first two or three generations to the Cagle web page. This would be the "official" list for newbies like myself and would result in less confusion if someone would maintain it, posting verified information as it is learned. I lack the expertise or I would volunteer to maintain it myself. I have only had a computer about six months and I am afraid I would have it loused up worse than it is now. In fact, I haven't the slightest idea even how you post information to the Cagle web page. Lee Cagle Moore, OK On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:24:51 EDT JBCagle@aol.com writes: >David and List, > Thanks for your response David. We Know for sure David is one of >Leonard's sons. The rest in the group are all probabilities. I >wandered in >circles for a long time without any sense of direction and my database >was a >terrible mess. In order to eliminate a lot of confusion I chose to go >with >John G. Cage's suggestions and work accordingly. It was my experience >that >when there was no established order in the first generations, the >later >generations really could get confusing. If new information proves one >of >these men to be otherwise it is an easy task to prune and graft that >particular person to his proper place in the database. Working with >an >established order, even when it is a probable order, makes it much >easier to >keep the train on the tracks. > Jimmy B. Cagle > Long Beach, MS > > >==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > >Cagle Family Genealogy Forum >http://genforum.familytreemaker.com/cagle/ > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Jimmy and the Cagle Clan This looks like a very good group of Cagles to start with and from where I sit it appears like this list may include all of the sons of Leonard 1684. However, there is a question about George, d. 1825. I note in all the discussions we have had in the past few days, George was considered to be the son of David 1728. That may be the only question left about who are sons of Leonard 1684. We know there was at least one daughter, Maria Margareta, b. 1715 Ger. Two other possible daughters in VA have been mentioned. Anyone have any ideas. David JBCagle@aol.com wrote: > Hi Lamona, > I note you have written Mr. John G. Cagle asking if he can l give us a > list of those he believes to be the children of Leonhart Cagle. I sure hope > he does. It would be a great help. However, I believe from my reading of > the Journals, he has pretty much laid them out over the past few years. I > wonder if you noticed my posting of 6-13-99, "three generations" wherein I > was hoping to generate a discussion and hear the opinions of others on this > subject. > I have wrestled with this subject for years and have finally decided his > suggestion makes more sense than anything else that I have found. Available > research seems to suggest the following men are most likely the sons of old > Leonhart. > > David Cagle 1728-1780s Cabarrus Co., NC > John Dutchman Cagle d. 1799 Moore Co., NC > Henry Cagle, Sr. d. 1802 Moore Co., NC > Leonard b. 1730s-1800s > Charles Cagle Stanley Co., NC > George Cagle d 1825 Stanley Co., NC > > I know there are other Cagles out there with old dates, and I do not > know how to account for them. Until we can do better, I am going to be > working on this page. > > Jimmy B Cagle > Long Beach, MS > > > ==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > > Your help to fellow Cagle researchers, is > very much appreciated. Thank you.

David and List, Thanks for your response David. We Know for sure David is one of Leonard's sons. The rest in the group are all probabilities. I wandered in circles for a long time without any sense of direction and my database was a terrible mess. In order to eliminate a lot of confusion I chose to go with John G. Cage's suggestions and work accordingly. It was my experience that when there was no established order in the first generations, the later generations really could get confusing. If new information proves one of these men to be otherwise it is an easy task to prune and graft that particular person to his proper place in the database. Working with an established order, even when it is a probable order, makes it much easier to keep the train on the tracks. Jimmy B. Cagle Long Beach, MS

LaMona, Nancy Jane, Earl, Lee, Jimmy, Tom, Others. I have enjoyed the Cagle discourse the last few days. It appears that we have gotten to the meat of the subject. I believe there is some hope for our group. I can agree with the following: 1. Johann Theobald or Dewalt Cagle and David Cagle, b. 29 April 1728 Ger., d. 1784-89 Cabarrus Co., NC, are one and the same. 2. John "Dutchman" Cagle is a brother of David 1728. 3. Leonard and Charles Cagle, Sr. of the Mecklenburg Co., NC area also are probably brothers of, and not sons of David Cagle, 1728. Another sibling would be Henry, Sr., d. 1802 Moore Co., NC. Is there a brother, George? Were there sisters in VA? 4. The sons of David 1728 are: John, Jacob, Valentine, George, and Henry. David ------------------ Le Roy A Cagle wrote: > LaMonna: > > Are you saying these are the only children of Johan Theobald or the only > children > confirmed by John G. as of November 1991? > > I have these plus two more: > > Charles Cagle 1740-1825 of Stanly County, NC, wife Mary Unknown and > children: > Lloyd H. (no other information) > Leonard b. abt 1780 with wife Miss Fulbright. > > Leonard Cagle 1742-1805 of Stanly County, NC (no other information) > > If these two are not children of Johan Theobald, do you know whose > children they > are? > > Lee Cagle > Moore, OK > On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:55:41 -0700 "LaMona Phillips" > <lphilli@lightspeed.net> writes: > >Hi Gang: I found this while reading Cagle Journal by John G. Cagle > >Johan Theobald Kegel 1728-1780s > >the children of David Cagle 1728-1780s of Cumberland and Mecklenburg > >County, > >NC. > > > >1. John Cagle, Sr. c.1740-1826 Davidson County, TN Cagle Journal > >April > >1991 p.1 > > > >2. George Cagle, Sr. c.1750-1825 Stanly County, NC Cagle Journal June > >1991 > >p.1 > > > >3. Jacob Cagle, Sr. c.1755-1845 Warren County, TN. Cagle Journal July > >1991 > >p. 3 > >4. Valentine Cagle, Sr. 1750-1810 Warren County, TN Cagle Journal Oct > >1991 > >p. 1 > >5. Henry Cagle, Sr. c. 1760-1830 of Cabarrus and Stanly County, NC. > >Cagle > >Journal November 1991 p.1 > > > >There are a lot of good reading with each child. > > > >LaMona > > > > > >==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > > > >UsGenWeb Archives Search Page > >Find records on your ancestors > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Get the Internet just the way you want it. > Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! > Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > > ==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > > Ground Work One Of My Favorites > http://members.aol.com/ssmadonna/index.htm

Hi Lamona, I note you have written Mr. John G. Cagle asking if he can l give us a list of those he believes to be the children of Leonhart Cagle. I sure hope he does. It would be a great help. However, I believe from my reading of the Journals, he has pretty much laid them out over the past few years. I wonder if you noticed my posting of 6-13-99, "three generations" wherein I was hoping to generate a discussion and hear the opinions of others on this subject. I have wrestled with this subject for years and have finally decided his suggestion makes more sense than anything else that I have found. Available research seems to suggest the following men are most likely the sons of old Leonhart. David Cagle 1728-1780s Cabarrus Co., NC John Dutchman Cagle d. 1799 Moore Co., NC Henry Cagle, Sr. d. 1802 Moore Co., NC Leonard b. 1730s-1800s Charles Cagle Stanley Co., NC George Cagle d 1825 Stanley Co., NC I know there are other Cagles out there with old dates, and I do not know how to account for them. Until we can do better, I am going to be working on this page. Jimmy B Cagle Long Beach, MS

Cagle Journal starting with February 1991 page 1 The children of David Cagle, 1728-1780s of Cumberland & Mecklenburg County, NC. This interpretation assumes that the children of David Cagle followed him to the Mecklenburg co.area, while those John "Dutchman" Cagle and Henry Cagle remained in Moore County, NC. area. the Cagles who migrated to the Mecklenburg County, area and who might be theorized as sons od David, were as follows:: 1. Charles Cagle, Sr, born c.1740; appeared in land records in old Orange County, NC in 1761; had land grant in Cumberland County, (present Moore) in 1767; had land grant in Mecklenburg (present Cabarrus) in 1779; in 1790 census in Mecklenburg; moved to Montgomery County, present Stanly about 1794; died in Montgomery County, 1801. 2. Leonard Cagle, Sr. born 1740s; had land grant in Cumberland County, in 1767; still in Cumberland when Moore County was formed in 1784; in 1790 Moore County census; moved to Montgomery County, (present Stanly ) in 1790s; in 1800 census in Montgomery County, NC. believed to have moved to GA by 1803, and to have been in 1805 GA Land Lottery. 3. John Cagle, Sr. born late 1740s or early 1750s; with his father David on Rowan County, Tax list (1768 or 1769); present with David in Mecklenburg County, in 1779; later owned land granted to David in 1784; in 1790 census of Mecklenburg; moved to Davidson County, TN in era of 1800-04 died in Davidson County area in 1826. 4. George Cagle, Sr. born 1750-1825. He had land grant in Cumberland (Moore) Co. in 1773; moved to Montgomery (Stanly) Co. by 1779; remained in Montgomery until his death; was the ancestor of all or most of the Cagles who appeared in the later censuses of Stanly County. 5. Jacob Cagle, born 1755-1845. had land grant in Mecklenburg County in 1779. In 1781, moved back to Moore County, NC, where he appeared in censuses of 1790 and 1800. Was in Buncombe County, NC, in census of 1810, and migrated to Warren County, TN, by 1812. Remained in Warren County until his death, and became the ancestor of most of the Cagles of that region. 6. Valentine Cagle, Sr. born late 1750s; died after 1815. Had land in Montgomery (Stanly) County, in early 1780s; by 1800 had moved to Buncombe county, NC, and to TN by 1810. last known to appear in 1715, inland grant in Warren County, TN. May have lived also in Davidson County, TN and Franklin (present Habersham) Co., GA. date and death place unknown. 7. Henry Cagle, SR. born 1760s; died 1830s. In 1790 census of Mecklenburg County, NC; in 1800 and 1810 censuses of Cabarrus Co. (formed from Mecklenburg in 1792). last appears in census records in 1830 Montgomery County, NC, and apparently died before 1840. His descendants founded the Cagle groups in Hardin County, TN. and Morgan / Marshall County, AL. 8. David Cagle, born 1767-1852. he had land grant in Montgomery (Stanly) County, in 1790s . He was in 1800 and 1810 census of Montgomery. Moved to GA about about 1816, and settled permanently in henry County, GA. in 1820s, where he eventually died. Of the eight early Cagles noted above, it seems likely that those in the middle age range---John, Jacob, Valentine, and Henry were the sons of David, and they will be treated as such in the present series, unless now evidence to contrary is uncovered. those at the ends of the spectrum, however, seem to present certain problems in identification, and there is doubt as to whether they were actually David's sons. Young David Cagle, 1767-1852 for example, is believed by some to have been the son of David, but the prevailing view among his descendants is that he was the son of George, 1750-1825, and a grandson of old David. George born 1750, and wife Rebecca born 1752, if indeed their dates are correct, would have been very young parents for David, born 1767, and the possibility might be considered that David was the son of old David, who died in the early 1780s, and grew to adulthood in the household of George Cagle an older brother. For this purposes of the present series, the Editor will follow the majority opinion and list David, born 1767, as a son of George, b. 1750, but will also weigh the evidence that David could have been a son of old David. A different problem exists regarding the identity of the two oldest men on the above list--Charles Sr. and Leonard Sr.,--namely that they may have been too old to have been sons of David Cagle, born 1728. the possibility will be explored as to whether they could have been younger brothers of David, rather than his oldest sons. Now this is the reason Mr. John G. Cagle cut away all the other children and listed the five (5) Children and they were used in a series starting with . 1. John Cagle, Sr. born 1740s-1826, of Davidson County, TN. Cagle Journal April 1991 page 1 2. George Cagle, Sr. born 1750s-1825, of Stanly County, NC. Cagle Journal may 1991 page 1. 3. Jacob Cagle, Sr. born 1755-1845, of Warren County, TN. Cagle Journal July 1991 page 1. 4. Valentine Cagle, Sr. born 1750s-1810s of Warren County, TN. Cagle Journal September 1991 page 1. 5. Henry Cagle, Sr. born 1760-1830s, of Cabarrus & Stanly County, NC. Cagle Journal November 1991 page 1. Mr. Cagle has documented a lot of good references on all the children in this series. If something new has surfaced in some of new Cagle Journals I ask you to bring this up to date. I hope I have cleared up my self with all of you. LaMona

Hi Gang: This is LaMona I am still looking in my Journals to see what else I can dig out for David Cagle 1728. Those dates were from Mr.. John G. Cagle. yes it would help if we had a good set of dates. I even wrote Mr.. Cagle and ask him to make a family chart of old Leonard Cagle so all of us could hook on and have one set of dates. Cagle Journal December 1991 p.3 there is a real neat on for Henry Cagle, Sr. 1760-1830 this is thought to be the child of David 1728. Those that have this page go there and take a look so you will know what I am referring to. LaMona

--part1_e900439b.24994f47_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_e900439b.24994f47_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Njbalmer@aol.com From: Njbalmer@aol.com Full-name: Njbalmer Message-ID: <e900439b.24993f32@aol.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 13:56:02 EDT Subject: Re: Christian Keener Cagle To: cagle@toolcity.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Hi Tom I found him in John G. Cagle's Vol II on page 327-328. 1910 Calcasieu, LA; Ward #6, Merryville P,O. Cagle, Isaac 56 MS MS MS Farming #22/22 Tempie 55 MS MS MS Married 36 yrs. Kinnie 20 LA " " Robert 18 " " " In School Alice 16 " " " Notes: s/o Raleigh J. Cagle. See Calcasieu Censuses of 1860 throug 1900. Cagle, Jeff 33 LA MS MS Farming #1/1 Lanie 23 LA MS LA Married 8 yrs. Keener 6 LA LA LA (this is Red Cagle) Forest 3 " " " Norris 1 " " " Notes; (s/o Isaac Cagle, above. Full name was Thomas Jefferson Cagle, 1875-1936.) (Keener, age 6, seems to be identical th Christian Keener "Red" Cagle, 1905-1942, who gained prominece in the 1920s and 1930s as a football quaterback, first in college at S.W. Louisiana State College and at Army (West Point), and later in the professional leagues. Cagle, W. Isaac 25 LA LA TX Laborer #18/18 Clemmie 20 LA LA LA Lotta (f) 0/12 LA LA LA Notes: William Isaac Cagle , another s/o Isaac Cagle, Above> Hanna , Robert 33 NC NC NC Mill Foreman " Pearl 34 KY KY KY Wife of Robert Williams , Frances 12 MO MO KY Step-dau. of Robert Hanna, Willie 4 LA NC KY Son of Robert Cagle, Henry 15 LA MS MS Boarder " Lady 8 " " " " Notes: Henry and Lady wre the two youngest children of Isaac & Tempie; see 1900 Calcasieu. It is unclear why they wer living in the Hanna household in 1910 On the bottom of of this page #327 there is a photo of a headstone; it says ; The metal Masonic grave marker of Raleigh J. Cagle; In Memory of R. J. Cagle Born March 24, 1824 Died Oct. 20 1891 Located in the Baptist Chruch Cemeter, Sugartown, Beauregard Parish, LA (formerly a part of Old Calcasieu Parish). Photo courtesy of Mrs Thomas Alden Brown, 6670 Meadowlawn Dr. Houston, TX 77023, whose husband is a descendant of Raleigh's daughter Judith Alice Cagle Sanders, 1867-1901. Raleigh J. Cagle's wife Parthenia Dauze Golightly Cagle, 1825-1914, is buried at Merryville Cem. in Beauregard Parish. In the 1900 Calcasieu census, she was listed as Parthenia Perkins, haveing married a Mr.Perkins after the death of Raleigh. This is the end of this page 327. Next Page is of Red Cagle: Christian Keener "Red" Cagle, 1905-1942, Of Calcasieu Parish, LA (space does not permit a complete account of the football exploits of Chris "Red" Cagle, but the following excerpt, from The Story of Football, by Robert Leckie (Random House, 1965), pp. 150-51, will serve as an example of the impact which he had on college football in the late 1920s. Army--Navy Game, 1926 In 1925 Navy fielded the finest team it had ever had. This was the eleven which many experts thought should have been the national champions rather than Alabama. The Middlies had two all Americas, halfback Tom Hamilton who would later be a fine Navy coach, and Frank Wickhorst at tackle. Army also had two, the great halfback "Lighthorse Harry" Wilson and tackle Bud sprague, as well as a young halfback Chris Cagle,. Even so, Navy was still favored as the two teams met to dedicate Chicago's new Soldier Field before a record throng of 110,000 persons. As expected, Navy stomed to a 14-0 lead midway in the second period. It looked like a rout. But before the half was over the score was tied at 14-14. Between them , Wilson and Cagle tore Navy's line apart and Lighthorse Harry plunged over for the score. Then an Army punt struck the Navy safety's shoulder. It bounced off the knee of the covering Army end, Norris Harbold, and went rolling toward Army's end, Norris Harbold, and went rolling toward Army's goal 25 yards away. Harbold pursued it, cought it and went stumbling over the goal for a touchdown. As the second half opened, Wilson raced 17 yards. Chris Cagle, took the ball next, broke loose, reversed his field and danced 43 yards for a touchdown. Now Army led, 21-14. The Cadets fought furiously to protect that lead. They were still ahead with only four minutes to go when they decided to pass! Alan shapley intercepted for Navy and the Tars were back in the game. But they wre tired. Some of them doubted if they could back, until Wickhorst called time out and pleaded with them to turn the tide. They cought fire. Blocking furously they drove down to the Army 8-yard line. There, Navy called for a double reverse, with shapley carrying, and he swept around end for the score. There was thunder in soldier Field, but it gradually died down to a hushed silence as Tom Hamilton Stood waiting for the pass from center and the kick went between the uprights . The greatest cliff-hanger in Army-Navy history ended in a tie . (and ther is a photo of him at the bottom. (page 328) If anyone needs it there is a 1900 Calcasiue ,LA census record with children listed on another page , if you need it I will send it to you. Do not understand any thing I just copied down but I'm sure the rest of you do. Haha Nancy jane Tarzana, Ca. April --part1_e900439b.24994f47_boundary--

Tom: Maybe this is the confusion. LaMona's post of children of David referred to Johann Theobald. Not just hers but, all the posts which I have seen on the list refer to David in this way, and to the other John as John "Dutchman" Cagle. Maybe it is the parents names that are causing the confusion. At any rate, I know from previous posts she is referring to "David". I don't know how to cut and paste so, I will forward you a copy of her recent post which lists five children. My question is, are these the only children of "David" or are they the only confirmed children as reported by John G. in his Journal of 1991. My reason for this question is that I am showing two additional children (1) Charles 1740-1825 of Stanly County with wife Mary unknown, and (2) Leonard 1742-1805 of Stanly County. I have no wife nor children for Leonard. Lee Cagle Moore, OK On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 09:04:21 -0400 "THE CAGLE FAMILY" <cagle@toolcity.net> writes: >Hi Lee, > >I wanted to respond to your question about LaMonas post on children. >To be >honest Lee, I think all of these posts are beginning to confuse me >too. It >looks to me like the names of parents are being confused. In order to >not >add to the confusion let me ask you to send me who you think are the >children of Johann Theobald "Dutchman" Cagle and Dewalt David Cagle. >Off >the top of my head I think Lamona's post started out naming Johan >Theobald >and then went on to David and his children. Bottom line is what do >you want >to know? > >Yes I am up early. I have an online business and early morning is the >best >time to get it caught up before the kids add to the days confusion. > >Tom > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

David: I agree John's birth date of 1740 makes it impossible for him to be David's son; however, as you state, the first appearance of him on record is 1768-9 at which time you suggest he would have come of age Making his birth date ca 1747 not 1768 assuming the age of majority was 21 at that time. You apparently forgot to subtract 21 from the 1768 date. This would make David then 19yrs of age at John's birth which is not unlikely. I do suggest we change change Johns DOB to ca 1747-8 in order not to perpetuate the confusion on this. Do you show any other children listed for David, other than the five listed by LaMona? Lee Cagle Moore, OK On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:16:23 -0500 David Cagle <dcagle@centuryinter.net> writes: >LaMona and The Cagle Gang, > >This is another one of those cases that is not probable. David was >born in >1728, therefore it is not likely that his son John would have been >born in 1740 >when David was 12 years old. It sure would be nice if we could >somehow pin down >these birth dates a little closer. > >In the Mar. 1991 issue of the "Cagle Journal," John G. states that >John, son of >David makes his first appearance in the North Carolina records. The >record >shows " David Kagle and son John Kagle." in an undated Rowan Co., NC >Tax List >in about 1768 or 69. > >This would suggest to me that John became of age ca 1868-69 and would >give him a >birth date of ca 1768. > >Any thoughts on this? Keep up the good work. > >David > > >LaMona Phillips wrote: > >> Hi Gang: I found this while reading Cagle Journal by John G. Cagle >> Johan Theobald Kegel 1728-1780s >> the children of David Cagle 1728-1780s of Cumberland and Mecklenburg >County, >> NC. >> >> 1. John Cagle, Sr. c.1740-1826 Davidson County, TN Cagle Journal >April >> 1991 p.1 >> >> 2. George Cagle, Sr. c.1750-1825 Stanly County, NC Cagle Journal >June 1991 >> p.1 >> >> 3. Jacob Cagle, Sr. c.1755-1845 Warren County, TN. Cagle Journal >July 1991 >> p. 3 >> 4. Valentine Cagle, Sr. 1750-1810 Warren County, TN Cagle Journal >Oct 1991 >> p. 1 >> 5. Henry Cagle, Sr. c. 1760-1830 of Cabarrus and Stanly County, NC. >Cagle >> Journal November 1991 p.1 >> >> There are a lot of good reading with each child. >> >> LaMona >> >> ==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== >> >> UsGenWeb Archives Search Page >> Find records on your ancestors >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > > > > >==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > >UsGenWeb Archives Search Page >Find records on your ancestors >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

LaMona and The Cagle Gang, This is another one of those cases that is not probable. David was born in 1728, therefore it is not likely that his son John would have been born in 1740 when David was 12 years old. It sure would be nice if we could somehow pin down these birth dates a little closer. In the Mar. 1991 issue of the "Cagle Journal," John G. states that John, son of David makes his first appearance in the North Carolina records. The record shows " David Kagle and son John Kagle." in an undated Rowan Co., NC Tax List in about 1768 or 69. This would suggest to me that John became of age ca 1868-69 and would give him a birth date of ca 1768. Any thoughts on this? Keep up the good work. David LaMona Phillips wrote: > Hi Gang: I found this while reading Cagle Journal by John G. Cagle > Johan Theobald Kegel 1728-1780s > the children of David Cagle 1728-1780s of Cumberland and Mecklenburg County, > NC. > > 1. John Cagle, Sr. c.1740-1826 Davidson County, TN Cagle Journal April > 1991 p.1 > > 2. George Cagle, Sr. c.1750-1825 Stanly County, NC Cagle Journal June 1991 > p.1 > > 3. Jacob Cagle, Sr. c.1755-1845 Warren County, TN. Cagle Journal July 1991 > p. 3 > 4. Valentine Cagle, Sr. 1750-1810 Warren County, TN Cagle Journal Oct 1991 > p. 1 > 5. Henry Cagle, Sr. c. 1760-1830 of Cabarrus and Stanly County, NC. Cagle > Journal November 1991 p.1 > > There are a lot of good reading with each child. > > LaMona > > ==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > > UsGenWeb Archives Search Page > Find records on your ancestors > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm

LaMonna: Are you saying these are the only children of Johan Theobald or the only children confirmed by John G. as of November 1991? I have these plus two more: Charles Cagle 1740-1825 of Stanly County, NC, wife Mary Unknown and children: Lloyd H. (no other information) Leonard b. abt 1780 with wife Miss Fulbright. Leonard Cagle 1742-1805 of Stanly County, NC (no other information) If these two are not children of Johan Theobald, do you know whose children they are? Lee Cagle Moore, OK On Wed, 16 Jun 1999 01:55:41 -0700 "LaMona Phillips" <lphilli@lightspeed.net> writes: >Hi Gang: I found this while reading Cagle Journal by John G. Cagle >Johan Theobald Kegel 1728-1780s >the children of David Cagle 1728-1780s of Cumberland and Mecklenburg >County, >NC. > >1. John Cagle, Sr. c.1740-1826 Davidson County, TN Cagle Journal >April >1991 p.1 > >2. George Cagle, Sr. c.1750-1825 Stanly County, NC Cagle Journal June >1991 >p.1 > >3. Jacob Cagle, Sr. c.1755-1845 Warren County, TN. Cagle Journal July >1991 >p. 3 >4. Valentine Cagle, Sr. 1750-1810 Warren County, TN Cagle Journal Oct >1991 >p. 1 >5. Henry Cagle, Sr. c. 1760-1830 of Cabarrus and Stanly County, NC. >Cagle >Journal November 1991 p.1 > >There are a lot of good reading with each child. > >LaMona > > >==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== > >UsGenWeb Archives Search Page >Find records on your ancestors >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Lee, Yes, Christian was referred to as Red Cagle, because of his red hair. In doing a little research I found he played for Army and was a cadet at West Point. In his 1929 season he was named all American and made the cover of Time magazine in that year. The reason I was interested was because I recently purchased a copy of that Time magazine at an online auction and was interested to know what line he was connected to. Maybe when the magazine arrives it will have a referrence to his family in the article that will give us a clue. In the meantime here is a genealogy thought for the day: Old genealogist never die, they just lose their census Have a Good Day! Tom Saegertown, PA

Hi Gang: I found this while reading Cagle Journal by John G. Cagle Johan Theobald Kegel 1728-1780s the children of David Cagle 1728-1780s of Cumberland and Mecklenburg County, NC. 1. John Cagle, Sr. c.1740-1826 Davidson County, TN Cagle Journal April 1991 p.1 2. George Cagle, Sr. c.1750-1825 Stanly County, NC Cagle Journal June 1991 p.1 3. Jacob Cagle, Sr. c.1755-1845 Warren County, TN. Cagle Journal July 1991 p. 3 4. Valentine Cagle, Sr. 1750-1810 Warren County, TN Cagle Journal Oct 1991 p. 1 5. Henry Cagle, Sr. c. 1760-1830 of Cabarrus and Stanly County, NC. Cagle Journal November 1991 p.1 There are a lot of good reading with each child. LaMona

Richard: I saw your posting on rootsweb and I have everything down to David Crockett Cagle. William C. Cagle with wife Anna Mary Cagle (she was the daughter of Valentine) have two children Adler C. and Henry C., however, I do not have David Crockett. That is not to say William never had a son named David Crockett. It just means this is all the information I have on William C. Cagle. Sorry I couldn't help you more. Lee Cagle Moore, OK ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Hi List: Can anyone help Tony With his line from Winston County, Alabama. Lee Cagle Moore, OK On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:17:46 -0500 TONY CAGLE <tonycagle@sprintmail.com> writes: >Hi, > >No information yet, I am still stuck at James Charlie Cagle. >Maybe I wasnt clear, he was born in Winston Co.Alabama (1860) near >Haleyville. >All this information is from my grandmothers bible. >I have a uncle who moved to South Carolina and I am trying to confirm >information with him. > >Thanks for the help > > >Tony Cagle > >Le Roy A Cagle wrote: > >> Tony: >> >> Have you received any responses to you inquirey? >> >> I have checked my index which contains 4,700 and have nothing on >James >> Charlie Cagle. >> In fact, I have none from Winston, Ala by that name at all. >> >> If you get any information please let me know, and perhaps I can >help you >> with the rest of >> your lineage. Your best source would be Nancy Balmer who is a >member of >> this list. I >> think she is the most active and has tremendous amounts of source >> documents. >> >> Lee Cagle >> Moore, OK >> On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:42:20 -0500 TONY CAGLE ><tonycagle@sprintmail.com> >> writes: >> >My Cagles >> > >> >James Charlie Cagle B. 1860 Winston, Ala D. April 22, 1922 >> >Haleyville, >> >Ala (Winston, AL) >> >Wife : Margaret Elizabeth (Naomi) Horton, B. 1869 St. Louis, D. >> >June, >> >17 1937, Haleyville, Ala. >> > >> >Children : >> > >> >Annie Cagle B. ? Died Haleyville, Ala 9-5-50 >> > >> >David Cagle (died as infant?) >> > >> >Emma Lou Cagle B. ? D? >> > >> >James Belton Cagle B. 7-23-1897, Haleyville, Ala D. 2-?-1987, >> >Jasper, >> >Ala >> > >> >Rush Vernon Cagle B. 10-14-1900, Haleyville, Ala. D. 4-?-1966, >> >Jasper, >> >Ala. >> > >> >James William (Bill) Cagle B. 10-12-1906, Haleyville, Ala. D. >> >3-22-1969 >> >Haleyville, Ala >> > >> >Charles Rainey Cagle B. 9-6-1910, Haleyville, Al D. >10-?-1979, >> >Rome, >> >Ga. (Buried Haleyville Cemetery) >> > >> >My GF was James William Cagle. >> > >> >I'm stuck at James Charlie Cagle my GGF, the Winston Co. courthouse >> >burned >> >in 1899, most records lost. >> > >> >Any help with family of James Charlie Cagle greatly appreciated, >> > >> >David Anthony ( Tony ) Cagle >> > >> >Ps Amazes me how many James, Charlie, William, and David Cagles >there >> >are!!! >> > >> > >> >==== CAGLE Mailing List ==== >> > >> >UsGenWeb Archives Search Page >> >Find records on your ancestors >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ussearch.htm >> > >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> Get the Internet just the way you want it. >> Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >> Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Nancy, if there is anything here in Oklahoma you would like for me to personally check for you let me know. Haskell isn't that far away, I can drive there and back in a day. I owe you so, don't be to shy to ask. OK? Please don't take anything I have said as criticizm of you nor the information you so readily provide for the benefit of us newbies. Without your help many of us would still be in the dark looking for clues to our ancestory. You have always been the most helpful of all on the list. I don't know how you do it, I only hope you will continue. Lee Cagle Moore, OK On Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:11:48 EDT Njbalmer@aol.com writes: >Hi Group > >All most everything I have is from John G. Cagle. and some from of >mine from >the family Bible, and also family members of the Cagle familys have >sent me >there inforamtion. and they are useually correct, I have six of >John G. >Cagle's book, Two of them are old book printed in 1887, these books >belonged >to two of my aunts who had given me information . I have bee trying >to put >down all the Census I can find for the different family, some of them >move >alot . John is a good sorce of information. So if I can help someone >I try >to look in the books. Not saying everything is correct , but he dose >check >things out. I send John G. Cagle all my information and the changes I >make , >because he can put the people together. The information he gets from >people >like us helps him to get some of the family lines together. He just >sent me >some information on my gr gr grandfather Charles Arter Cagle to day >that >will help me, Charles was a Baptist Minister , and I now have a >date and >place to look to try and get a copy of his License , I didn't know >that he >preached in Haskell Oklahoma 1875-1935, my great grandmother always >said she >was born in Oklahoma , and now maybe I can prove that. So it dose >help to >get your information out there. > >Nancy Jane ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.