David - I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for helping. Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)? John -----Original Message----- From: David Cagle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM To: John Speight; [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? John, I missed the question---I think? Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 Germany. David ----- Original Message ----- From: John Speight <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > Donna - > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query about > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm afraid > all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh. > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > Montgomery Co?? > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out > there? Or, > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been looking > at > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused > records. Anyone? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate > > person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this > > line clear this up > for > > me? > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > Thanks! > > Donna > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have communicated with you several times about your family. You have enough information for a good search for documents to prove the names you think you know. To begin with, you should obtain a death certificate for both your father and grandfather from the states where they lived. There may be information as to their parents names, etc. Next, attempt to locate them on census records, this will give you the names of their children and approximate ages. You have the makings of a very good beginning, you just need to get some direction. Start with your self and your family, then spread out to siblings, then to your father and his brothers, remember dates are as important as names in determining who is who because there are so many with the same name. You already know your grandfather's name and his death certificate should give you his father's name, if you can't learn it this way, then go to the census records which you will have to do anyway. Let me know of your progress and if I can help you, let me know. Lee Cagle Okla City On 10 Oct 2003 17:28:39 -0600 [email protected] writes: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0JH.2ACEB/509.517.502.516.1 > > Message Board Post: > > hi, > i dont have much information to go on.all i know is a aunt fannie > that lived in the mtns of nc ...my dad is douglas cagle and my > grandfather is roy . i know theres other names that ive heard-otto, > vernal ,ernest. supposedly my great grandparents were david cagle > and sally grasty. i know i have a edward or ed cagle which is my > grandfathers brother. > my grandfather had some children in his first marraige wife's name > is unknown -the children was unknown till his death and i think > their names was mary, john, and one more boy. > my father had brothers and sisters-wayne, carl ,vera ,and judy. > sorry i cant help you any more. > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Donna, George made his first known appearance in 1769, when he witnessed the deed whereby "David" Johan Theobald Dewalt Kegel/Cagle b. 1728, sold his his plantation in Cumberland, having moved westward to the Rowan/Cabarrus County area of North Carolina. It was thought at one time among Cagle researchers that George was the oldest son of "David" Kegel/Cagle, b. 1728, but more recent research seems to suggest he is more likely the youngest brother of David. During the 1770s and 1780s, George Cagle appeared in a variety of records in Cumberland and Moore Counties (Moore being formed in 1784 from the NW part of Cumberland), including a survey for a land grant in 1772, near the plantation of John "Dutchman" Kegel/Cagle at the forks of Bear and Cabin Creeks; this tract of 150 acres was granted to George on 24 May 1773, and it apparantly was his home until his move to Montgomery (present Stanly) County, NC in the late 1780s. George also appeared on all the extant tax lists for Cumberland County prior to the formation of Moore Co., those being the lists of 1777-1780 and 1783. After the formation of Moore, George made about a dozen appearances in the minute book of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions (1784-1795 record book) during the years 1784 through 1788, primarily as a juror and a road overseer. His last threee appearances, in 1788, were as follows: May 1788 Court: Among those appointed to serve as jurymen for the next term of court were George and Leonard Cagle. Aug 1788 Court: List of men selected as Grand Jurors for the term includes George and Leonard Cagle. Nov 1788 Court: Among those men ordered to appear for jury duty at the next term of court were George, Leonard and John "Dutchman" Cagle. No records for George Cagle are found in the minutes of the Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions of Moore County for the years 1789 and following and it might be considered whether 1789 was his year of migration to Montgomery Co., NC. It is known George appeared in records of Montgomery County as early as 7 Jan 1790, when he made an entry for a grant of 50 acres on the Cedar Branch of Stoney Run; this tract was surveyed on 14 Feb 1791, with Georges son, Benjamin Cagle, 1774-1843, serving as one of the chain carriers. The tract was granted to George on 20 Dec 1791, and it is believed he lived on or near this tract until his death in 1825. George was apparently missed in the Federal Survey of 1790, Montgomery County. George was listed on the US Fed Censuses for Montgomery County, North Carolina for 1800 and 1810. 1800 Montgomery , North Carolina W. of Peedee Cagle, George 02301-01101 1810 Montgomery North Carolina , W. Peedee. Cagle, George 00001-02001 George Cagle 1740s-1825, lived in the western end of Montgomery Co., NC which eventually became Stanly County in 1841. However, most of the early records of Montgomery County were lost to a courthouse fire in 1838, and among those records lost were the estate papers of George and Charles Cagle. The only clue to contents of the George Cagle estate comes from a brief mention in the Benjamin Cagle letter of 1826. The following letter was sent by Benjamin Cagle 1774-1843 of Montgomery Co., NC, to his brother David Cagle and his sister Elizabeth Cagle Hagler, wife of Jacob Hagler, all of Henry Co., GA. The impression given is Benjamin's letter was enclosed with the letter from his mother, Rebecca (see notes on Rebecca). The text of Benjamin's letter, which deals largely with the settlement of his deceased father's estate, reads as follow: Brothers and Sisters and families: "I write these few lines to you to let you know that we are all well at this time but has been very sickly this fall. We lost one of the family this fall he was about two years old a black boy. The above is sufficient for you to read and now I come to write you how Father's concerns stands. He left one horse, two cows, and all household furniture to Mother and all the rest to be equally divided except twenty dollars over and above to Robert and I and George. I expect to be ready by next October to make settlement with the Legatees and I should be glad that you could come out then as the amount of the sale was only one hundred fifty one or two dollars. I understand that Jacob Hagler and Elizabeth is a coming out here this winter but I want them to come next fall as he wrote to send him word whether or not there was any critters left for him. No there is none but one and that is left to mother. "So no more at present but remain your affectionate brother until death. "Benjamin Cagle," To Mr. David Cagle, State of Georgia Henry County and Elizabeth Hagler. (Note the word "creter" may mean "Critter or Creature" i.e., animal. The person who is referred to as "father" in Benjamin's letter obviously was George Cagle, who had died in 1825. The fact Rebecca's husband was named George is verified by the 1797 baptismal records of daughter, Rebecca, b. 1791, in which the parents are given as George and Rebecca Cagle. George and Rebecca were members of the Church which was located near Big Creek, Just off Hwy 27 west of the bridge in a pasture below Liberty Hill Primitive Baptist Church . There are a lot of graves located there, but George Cagle , 1750 - 1825 and Mary Harley are the only graves marked. The land where the Church was is now owned by the Huneycutts. Another researcher of this line is Jason Cagle, 133 Cotton Tail Lane, Concord, NC 28025 or Jason Cagle, Harvard Univ, 281 Eliot House Mail Ctr, 101 Dunster St, Cambridge, MA 02138-7524 Lee Cagle Okla City On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:33:50 -0500 "David Cagle" <[email protected]> writes: > Donna, > You are talking about the same person. Any guess I made would only > be > speculation. If George was born close to 1740, he was probably the > child of > "Old" Leonard. On the other hand, a 1750 birth for George would > allow him > to be considered the son of David who was born in 1728. On the > whole, it > appears that George might be a little old to be the son of David. > For that > reason and the migration patters of George, until proven > differently, I > think George was a brother to David. > My 2 cents worth, > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:24 PM > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, > Montgomery Co?? > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out > there? > Or, > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been > looking > at > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same > confused > records. > > Anyone? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate > person. > I'm > > > not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this line clear > this up > > for > > > me? > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the > immigrant) > > > as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 linked > to David > > > (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

John, I missed the question---I think? Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 Germany. David ----- Original Message ----- From: John Speight <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > Donna - > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query about > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm afraid all > of us are using some and the same bogus info. > Sigh. > John > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > Montgomery Co?? > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out there? > Or, > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been looking > at > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused > records. Anyone? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate person. > > I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this line clear > > this up > for > > me? > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > Thanks! > > Donna > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Donna, You are talking about the same person. Any guess I made would only be speculation. If George was born close to 1740, he was probably the child of "Old" Leonard. On the other hand, a 1750 birth for George would allow him to be considered the son of David who was born in 1728. On the whole, it appears that George might be a little old to be the son of David. For that reason and the migration patters of George, until proven differently, I think George was a brother to David. My 2 cents worth, David ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out there? Or, > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been looking at > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused records. > Anyone? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate person. I'm > > not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this line clear this up > for > > me? > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the immigrant) > > as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 linked to David > > (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > Thanks! > > Donna > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Donna - My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query about the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm afraid all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out there? Or, does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been looking at Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused records. Anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate person. > I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this line clear > this up for > me? > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > Thanks! > Donna > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

We are haveing a Cagle reunion Oct. 26, 2003 at Duck Spring. This is in Alabama the road call Duck Spring road. If any one like to make it we be glad to have you to come. The lady that get this up call us , to let us know when it will be. We have always had it the 4th weekend of Oct.We always bring a dish for lunch. Dianna

Cathy, John G. Cagle, has published a few books but I don't know what is available. This is his address : John G. Cagle Box 55342 Little Rock, AR 72215 Telephone : 501-224-3819 You may want to call him first for the information you need. He has been real inconsistent with delivering his Cagle Journal. I have just given up on them. I don't know if he is ill or even if he is still publishing. Earl > [Original Message] > From: Cathy Stump <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 10/17/2003 3:38:36 PM > Subject: [CAGLE] John G. Cagle's book > > I have read several entries that have referred to John G. Cagle's book. Could someone give me some information about the book and if and where it could be purchased. Thanks. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have read several entries that have referred to John G. Cagle's book. Could someone give me some information about the book and if and where it could be purchased. Thanks. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search

Rootsweb tells me that lists attached to list(2) which the Cagle list is, have been down for maintenance. They tell me that everything should be back up and running ok as of today. So keep those Cagle messages coming. Earl Cagle [email protected] "Join The Cagle List Today"

The following appears in the Stanly County Historical Society Marriage Book I, 1851-1867, page 11: Cagle, Sarah to Wiley Jones 05 Jun 1853 by W. B. Herrin, JP." Does anyone connect to this family? Lee Cagle Okla City

The following appears in the Stanly County, NC Historical Society Marriage Book II, page 188: "Cagle, Sarah C. 21 -Parents: James and Jane, to Allen Hurlocker 29 - Parents: David Hurlocker, J. C. Murph on 06 Jan 1902 by P. G. Hartsell, Minister." Does anyone connect to these folks? Lee Cagle Okla City

LaMona, Disregard portions of my previous message. I just found the following in the Stanly Co., NC Historical Society Marriage Book II which confirms my suspicions regarding the marriage of son, James D Cagle b. 18 Oct 1854, Stanly Co., NC to Eunice J Austin, b. 21 Sep 1860, Stanly Co., NC. She is the daughter of Jacob and Sarah Austin of Stanly County. "Cagle, James D. 21 - D. S. and Sarah to Eunicy J. Austin 15 - Jacob and Sarah on 08 Aug 1875 by J. W. Huneycutt 38" She was only 15 yrs of age when she married James above. It appears she had never been married before. The two daughters Ida and Malina are probably hers and James children; however, I would suggest the date of birth for Ida is after 1875. Lee Cagle Okla City

LaMona, I have James D Cagle, (you show James A., b. Aug 1855) b. 18 Oct 1854, son of David S Cagle above, married Eunice J Little, b. 21 Sep 1860 (you show 1861). You show two daughters Ida and Malina born 1872 and 1879 respectively. If the DOB of 1861 is correct, she would have been 11 yrs of age at the birth of Ida Cagle. The book by Charles O Cagle indicates Eunice's maiden name was Austin. Could it be that Eunice was previously married. She was 26 years of age at the birth of her first Cagle child. I believe these two daughters were the children of a previous marriage to an Unknown Little and her maiden name was Austin as shown by Charles O Cagle's book. The problem is her date of birth which is also, listed as 21 Sep 1860 in Charles O Cagle's book. Maybe, these children were her step children resulting from the death of her previous husband. It would not be the first time a step mother raised her step children following the death of her husband. Of course, this is pure speculation. However, I don't believe Eunice was giving birth at 11 yrs of age. What do you think. Lee Cagle Okla City ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cagle Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0JH.2ACEB/673 Message Board Post: I think my family line is Leonhart, Henry, William, George, James, William B., Mary Ellen and myself. What I'm trying to find out is George's full name and children and his father, William's full name and his children. Can anyone help?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0JH.2ACEB/669.1.2.2.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Tamara - After all this time I still cannot "put to bed" this line! Sigh.... Thanks for sharing. Regards . John

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/0JH.2ACEB/669.1.2.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: John, Johann Dewalt was know as "David" as for as I can tell. And yes the first few generations are confusing. I am still trying to get them straight. The TN and NC reseachers have different views, I think. Tammy

I am looking for anyone who might know William Lee Cagle or some of his children. He died in 1985. He had a son Richard and a daughter Maxine Harris who both lived in Fort Scott, KS at that time. He also had a son Carl who lived in Richmond, TX. He was my uncle, but I didn't know him at all, but would like for that to change with his children and grandchildren. Any info would be appreciated. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search

Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out there? Or, does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been looking at Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused records. Anyone? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate person. I'm > not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this line clear this up for > me? > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the immigrant) > as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 linked to David > (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > Thanks! > Donna > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0JH.2ACEB/509.517.502.516.1 Message Board Post: hi, i dont have much information to go on.all i know is a aunt fannie that lived in the mtns of nc ...my dad is douglas cagle and my grandfather is roy . i know theres other names that ive heard-otto, vernal ,ernest. supposedly my great grandparents were david cagle and sally grasty. i know i have a edward or ed cagle which is my grandfathers brother. my grandfather had some children in his first marraige wife's name is unknown -the children was unknown till his death and i think their names was mary, john, and one more boy. my father had brothers and sisters-wayne, carl ,vera ,and judy. sorry i cant help you any more.