Hi All, I second everything Donna said. Thanks to all who share their information with us. Stella

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0JH.2ACEB/673.1 Message Board Post: This is LaMona Phillips e-mail me I may have some of your Cagle information.

Charley, My information is Virgil died Mar 24, 1995, I note you indicate Apr 24, 1995 which is right? Unfortunately, the only information I have is on the two deceased sons, William Dewitt and Donald Leon. I picked this information up from the California death register; however, the other siblings may be living in the same area. California Death Registry: CAGLE, William Dewitt; male; born 3 Oct 1929, Arkansas; died 1 Dec 1985, Fresno Co., CA; SSN: 447-26-6499; mother's maiden name: FAIR. The California Death Registry Index includes: CAGLE, Donald; male; born: 31 May 1931, Arkansas; died: 24 Oct 1997, San Luis Obispo Co., CA; SSN# 568-38-0777; mother's maiden name: FAIR. If you have any information on the other children I would appreciate having it. All I have is their names. Lee Cagle PS: Charley, I am including your inquiry and my response to the Cagle Genforum in hopes someone else may be able to help you further. On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:18:40 EDT [email protected] writes: Lee, sorry about the confusion. My uncle, Virgil Cagle, was born 12/14/1906 in Oden, Arkansas. My mother, was Dona Cagle. Virgil married Velma Fair on 3/24/1928 in Montgomery Co. Ar. They had 6 children. They moved to California years ago, and we lost touch with his children. Virgil moved back to Arkansas, and died 4/24/1995. He is buried in Gill Cemetery in Van Buren, Ark. My family is very interested in reaching his children. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Charly

Thanks for pointing this out, John. I have removed Dewalt from the name of my Ancestor and will refer to him in future correspondence as Johann Theobald Cagle. I knew Dewalt was David, but didn't know Theobald was also, David. One should learn something new everyday so, now I can quit for the day and watch old movies the remainder. Lee Cagle Okla city On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:27:58 -0400 "John Speight" <[email protected]> writes: > So, per the kerchner site, Theobald = Dawalt in English. > Hmm. > Thanks for the connection. > Now, back to file merging....... > I hear the Dragnet theme in the back of my mind - dum, de, dum, dum > or > some such. > John Speight > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandra Mckeithan [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > After reading countless messages concerning the names Leonard > Kegel's > sons, I started searching to see if I could come up with something > that > might help us. I found the following site that explains the naming > of > the German and PA German children. The address is > www.kerchner.com/nickname.htm . After looking at the Americanized > versions of some of the names, go to the very bottom of the page > and > click on German Naming Customs. I think that will explain why we > might > have 2 Johns or Georges or whatever in this family. Hope it helps > someone. > > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earl Cagle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > To those of you new to the Cagle list, these issues have been > > discussed many times before. We at one time discussed how German > names > > > were changed over a period of time, once these people settled in > > America. To start with many were illiterate and there for couldn't > > > even spell their own surname. If your name was Kegel, and someone > in a > > > record spelled it in a different way, you were none the wiser. > First > > names were changed as well such as Johan to John, Leonhart to > Leonard. > > > We had discussed how Dewalt , may have became David. I don't > remember > > what we determined the name Theobald, to be. When this list was > > started about six years ago there weren't as many resources on > the > Internet > > as there are now. I think with some research on the Internet we > can > > determine what some German first names became in America. There > are > > still people living today in America and Germany with the > surname > > Kegel, and I have seen Cagley as a surname. I don't know if all of > > > these surnames started out as Kegel, and then changed into a few > > similar > surnames. > > It is still open to debate as to who all were children of Leonhart > > > Kegel, our immigrant ancestor. Keep in mind however that he was > born > > abt. 1684, may have started > fathering > > children as young as seventeen. He may also have continued to > have > children > > into his late 60's or early 70's. > > Also we know he was married more than once, added to the fact that > > > many early records are very sparse. Earl > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: David Cagle <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Date: 10/18/2003 5:09:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - > Moore, > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > John, > > > The Baptismal record shows: Johan Theobald Kegel. > > > I am not sure how Dewalt got into this? > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:59 AM > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - > Moore, > Rowan, > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > David - > > > > I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for > helping. > > > > Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)? John > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: David Cagle [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM > > > > To: John Speight; [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - > Moore, > > > > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > I missed the question---I think? > > > > Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. > 1728 > Germany. > > > > David > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - > Moore, > > > > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna - > > > > > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a > query > about > > > > > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm > > > > > > afraid all of us are using some and the same bogus info. > Sigh. > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - > Moore, > Rowan, > > > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no > one > > > > > out there? Or, > > > > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've > been > > > > looking > > > > > at > > > > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same > > > > > confused records. Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a > duplicate > > > > > > person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone > in > > > > > > this line clear this up > > > > > for > > > > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel > > > > > > > (the > > > > > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. > abt > 1750 > > > > > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > > > > > genealogy records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=123 > > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > > > > > > records, go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > > > > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Actually, the thanks should go to a number of people, but primarily John G Cagle, Nancy Jane Balmer, Doyle Chambers, David, Earl and LaMona who have been most helpful with providing information to newbies. Nearly all the information I have on George Cagle, I gathered from Journals and other publishings of John G. Cagle and the internet. I merely put it into chronological order in my notes section of George's family page of my software. So, the actual research was done by someone else as is the case with most of the information I have colated and included in my notes. I am attempting to complete the descendents of Leonard Cagle, b. 1683. I know this is a monumental task, but I am well on my way. It is not my intent to write a book nor any other commercial purpose. I know there will be errors, but this is just a guide to help you and other beginners get a foothold on your ancestry just as others helped me with mine. Besides, it's fun!! Lee Cagle Okla City On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:38:16 -0700 <[email protected]> writes: > Thank you Lee, Earl and all the other long-time researchers for > sharing over > and over again all the info you've gathered in your research > efforts. I know > it must get tiresome to repeat things as new people come to the list > or > begin their ancestor hunts. Know that your efforts are appreciated > even > when we forget to tell you so! > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:35 AM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, > Montgomery Co?? > > > > Donna, > > > > George made his first known appearance in 1769, when he witnessed > the > > deed whereby "David" Johan Theobald Dewalt Kegel/Cagle b. 1728, > sold his > > his plantation in Cumberland, having moved westward to the > Rowan/Cabarrus > > County area of North Carolina. It was thought at one time among > Cagle > > researchers that George was the oldest son of "David" Kegel/Cagle, > b. > > 1728, but more recent research seems to suggest he is more likely > the > > youngest brother of David. During the 1770s and 1780s, George > Cagle > > appeared in a variety of records in Cumberland and Moore Counties > (Moore > > being formed in 1784 from the NW part of Cumberland), including a > survey > > for a land grant in 1772, near the plantation of John "Dutchman" > > Kegel/Cagle at the forks of Bear and Cabin Creeks; this tract of > 150 > > acres was granted to George on 24 May 1773, and it apparantly was > his > > home until his move to Montgomery (present Stanly) County, NC in > the late > > 1780s. > > George also appeared on all the extant tax lists for Cumberland > County > > prior to the formation of Moore Co., those being the lists of > 1777-1780 > > and 1783. After the formation of Moore, George made about a > dozen > > appearances in the minute book of the Court of Pleas and Quarter > > Sessions (1784-1795 record book) during the years 1784 through > 1788, > > primarily as a juror and a road overseer. His last threee > appearances, > > in 1788, were as follows: > > > > May 1788 Court: Among those appointed to serve as jurymen for the > next > > term of court were George and Leonard Cagle. > > Aug 1788 Court: List of men selected as Grand Jurors for the > term > > includes George and Leonard Cagle. > > Nov 1788 Court: Among those men ordered to appear for jury duty > at the > > next term of court were George, Leonard and John "Dutchman" > Cagle. > > > > No records for George Cagle are found in the minutes of the Court > of > > Pleas and Quarter Sessions of Moore County for the years 1789 and > > following and it might be considered whether 1789 was his year of > > migration to Montgomery Co., NC. It is known George appeared in > records > > of Montgomery County as early as 7 Jan 1790, when he made an entry > for a > > grant of 50 acres on the Cedar Branch of Stoney Run; > > this tract was surveyed on 14 Feb 1791, with Georges son, Benjamin > Cagle, > > 1774-1843, serving as one of the chain carriers. The tract was > granted > > to George on 20 Dec 1791, and it is believed he lived on or near > this > > tract until his death in 1825. George was apparently missed in > the > > Federal Survey of 1790, Montgomery County. > > > > George was listed on the US Fed Censuses for Montgomery County, > North > > Carolina for 1800 and 1810. > > > > 1800 Montgomery , North Carolina W. of Peedee > > Cagle, George 02301-01101 > > > > 1810 Montgomery North Carolina , W. Peedee. > > Cagle, George 00001-02001 > > > > George Cagle 1740s-1825, lived in the western end of Montgomery > Co., NC > > which eventually became Stanly County in 1841. However, most of > the > > early records of Montgomery County were lost to a courthouse fire > in > > 1838, and among those records lost were the estate papers of > George and > > Charles Cagle. The only clue to contents of the George Cagle > estate > > comes from a brief mention in the Benjamin Cagle letter of 1826. > The > > following letter was sent by Benjamin Cagle 1774-1843 of > Montgomery Co., > > NC, to his brother David Cagle and his sister Elizabeth Cagle > Hagler, > > wife of Jacob Hagler, all of Henry Co., GA. The impression given > is > > Benjamin's letter was enclosed with the letter from his mother, > Rebecca > > (see notes on Rebecca). The text of Benjamin's letter, which > deals > > largely with the settlement of his deceased father's estate, reads > as > > follow: > > > > Brothers and Sisters and families: > > > > "I write these few lines to you to let you know that we are all > well at > > this time but has been very sickly this fall. We lost one of the > family > > this fall he was about two years old a black boy. The above is > > sufficient for you to read and now I come to write you how > Father's > > concerns stands. He left one horse, two cows, and all household > > furniture to Mother and all the rest to be equally divided except > twenty > > dollars over and above to Robert and I and George. I expect to be > ready > > by next October to make settlement with the Legatees and I should > be glad > > that you could come out then as the amount of the sale was only > one > > hundred fifty one or two dollars. I understand that Jacob Hagler > and > > Elizabeth is a coming out here this winter but I want them to come > next > > fall as he wrote to send him word whether or not there was any > critters > > left for him. No there is none but one and that is left to > mother. > > > > "So no more at present but remain your affectionate brother until > death. > > > > "Benjamin Cagle," > > > > To Mr. David Cagle, State of Georgia Henry County and Elizabeth > Hagler. > > (Note the word "creter" may > > mean "Critter or Creature" i.e., animal. > > > > The person who is referred to as "father" in Benjamin's letter > obviously > > was George Cagle, who had died in 1825. The fact Rebecca's > husband was > > named George is verified by the 1797 baptismal records of > daughter, > > Rebecca, b. 1791, in which the parents are given as George and > Rebecca > > Cagle. > > > > George and Rebecca were members of the Church which was located > near Big > > Creek, Just off Hwy 27 west of the bridge in a pasture below > Liberty Hill > > Primitive Baptist Church . There are a lot of graves located > there, but > > George Cagle , 1750 - 1825 and Mary Harley are the only graves > marked. > > The land where the Church was is now owned by the Huneycutts. > > > > Another researcher of this line is Jason Cagle, 133 Cotton Tail > Lane, > > Concord, NC 28025 or Jason Cagle, > > Harvard Univ, 281 Eliot House Mail Ctr, 101 Dunster St, Cambridge, > MA > > 02138-7524 > > > > Lee Cagle > > Okla City > > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:33:50 -0500 "David Cagle" > <[email protected]> > > writes: > > > Donna, > > > You are talking about the same person. Any guess I made would > only > > > be > > > speculation. If George was born close to 1740, he was probably > the > > > child of > > > "Old" Leonard. On the other hand, a 1750 birth for George > would > > > allow him > > > to be considered the son of David who was born in 1728. On the > > > whole, it > > > appears that George might be a little old to be the son of > David. > > > For that > > > reason and the migration patters of George, until proven > > > differently, I > > > think George was a brother to David. > > > My 2 cents worth, > > > David > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:24 PM > > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > > Rowan, > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one > out > > > there? > > > Or, > > > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've > been > > > looking > > > at > > > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same > > > confused > > > records. > > > > Anyone? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a > duplicate > > > person. > > > I'm > > > > > not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this line > clear > > > this up > > > > for > > > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel > (the > > > immigrant) > > > > > as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 > linked > > > to David > > > > > (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > > genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > > > records, > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Earl and all - Several subscribers to [email protected] had their DNA examined and have used the results to establish/confirm family lines. They are working on getting some German "cousins" to to the same. Only males care the specific DNA marker required to establish genetic kinship. The test costs $140-$150. John Speight -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > Sandra's mention of the Kerchner site brings another point of interest > to mind. I have viewed Mr. Kerchner's work (which is extensive)and encourage all of you to go to his home page and search the various segments of information he has provided, some good history regarding the German immigrants. The aspect that I am interested in is the Genealogy by DNA. If you go to Kerchner's home page and scroll down to the DNA project indentified with the "NEW" logo, you will find a project he is working on that is very interesting. Since our Leonhart came from the Palatinate area I plan to contact Kerchner and present my heritage for his evaluation for his project. If he declines I still plan to contact Family Tree DNA (www.familytreedna.com) for a kit for DNA testing. I will let you know what comes of this. Also, I am putting together some information on from sources I have on Henry Cagle (I agree some of the lines of descent appear to be a little tangled). Earl L. Cagle, Sr.! > From: Sandra Mckeithan <[email protected]> > Date: 2003/10/20 Mon PM 07:02:58 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > After reading countless messages concerning the names Leonard Kegel's > sons, I started searching to see if I could come up with something > that might help us. I found the following site that explains the > naming of the German and PA German children. The address is > www.kerchner.com/nickname.htm . After looking at the Americanized > versions of some of the names, go to the very bottom of the page and > click on German Naming Customs. I think that will explain why we > might have 2 Johns or Georges or whatever in this family. Hope it > helps someone. > > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earl Cagle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > To those of you new to the Cagle list, these issues have been > > discussed many times before. We at one time discussed how German > > names were changed over a period of time, once these people settled > > in America. To start with many were illiterate and there for > > couldn't even spell their own surname. If your name was Kegel, and > > someone in a record spelled it in a different way, you were none the > > wiser. First names were changed as well such as Johan to John, > > Leonhart to Leonard. We had discussed how Dewalt , may have became > > David. I don't remember what we determined the name Theobald, to be. > > When this list was started about six years ago there weren't as many > > resources on the > Internet > > as there are now. I think with some research on the Internet we can > > determine what some German first names became in America. There are > > still people living today in America and Germany with the > surname > > Kegel, and I have seen Cagley as a surname. I don't know if all of > > these surnames started out as Kegel, and then changed into a few > > similar > surnames. > > It is still open to debate as to who all were children of Leonhart > > Kegel, our immigrant ancestor. Keep in mind however that he was born > > abt. 1684, may have started > fathering > > children as young as seventeen. He may also have continued to have > children > > into his late 60's or early 70's. > > Also we know he was married more than once, added to the fact that > > many early records are very sparse. Earl > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: David Cagle <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Date: 10/18/2003 5:09:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - > > > Moore, > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > John, > > > The Baptismal record shows: Johan Theobald Kegel. > > > I am not sure how Dewalt got into this? > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:59 AM > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > David - > > > > I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for helping. > > > > Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)? John > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: David Cagle [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM > > > > To: John Speight; [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - > > > > Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > I missed the question---I think? > > > > Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 > Germany. > > > > David > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - > > > > Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna - > > > > > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a > > > > > query > about > > > > > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm > > > > > afraid all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh. > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, > > > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one > > > > > out there? Or, > > > > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been > > > > looking > > > > > at > > > > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same > > > > > confused records. Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a > > > > > > duplicate person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can > > > > > > someone in this line clear this up > > > > > for > > > > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel > > > > > > (the > > > > > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt > 1750 > > > > > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > > > > > genealogy records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1 > > > > > > 237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > > > > genealogy records, go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=123 > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > > > > genealogy records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=123 > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

So, per the kerchner site, Theobald = Dawalt in English. Hmm. Thanks for the connection. Now, back to file merging....... I hear the Dragnet theme in the back of my mind - dum, de, dum, dum or some such. John Speight -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Mckeithan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? After reading countless messages concerning the names Leonard Kegel's sons, I started searching to see if I could come up with something that might help us. I found the following site that explains the naming of the German and PA German children. The address is www.kerchner.com/nickname.htm . After looking at the Americanized versions of some of the names, go to the very bottom of the page and click on German Naming Customs. I think that will explain why we might have 2 Johns or Georges or whatever in this family. Hope it helps someone. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Cagle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > To those of you new to the Cagle list, these issues have been > discussed many times before. We at one time discussed how German names > were changed over a period of time, once these people settled in > America. To start with many were illiterate and there for couldn't > even spell their own surname. If your name was Kegel, and someone in a > record spelled it in a different way, you were none the wiser. First > names were changed as well such as Johan to John, Leonhart to Leonard. > We had discussed how Dewalt , may have became David. I don't remember > what we determined the name Theobald, to be. When this list was > started about six years ago there weren't as many resources on the Internet > as there are now. I think with some research on the Internet we can > determine what some German first names became in America. There are > still people living today in America and Germany with the surname > Kegel, and I have seen Cagley as a surname. I don't know if all of > these surnames started out as Kegel, and then changed into a few > similar surnames. > It is still open to debate as to who all were children of Leonhart > Kegel, our immigrant ancestor. Keep in mind however that he was born > abt. 1684, may have started fathering > children as young as seventeen. He may also have continued to have children > into his late 60's or early 70's. > Also we know he was married more than once, added to the fact that > many early records are very sparse. Earl > > > > [Original Message] > > From: David Cagle <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Date: 10/18/2003 5:09:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > John, > > The Baptismal record shows: Johan Theobald Kegel. > > I am not sure how Dewalt got into this? > > > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:59 AM > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > David - > > > I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for helping. > > > Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)? John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Cagle [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM > > > To: John Speight; [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > John, > > > I missed the question---I think? > > > Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 Germany. > > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > Donna - > > > > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query about > > > > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm > > > > afraid all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one > > > > out there? Or, > > > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been > > > looking > > > > at > > > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same > > > > confused records. Anyone? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate > > > > > person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in > > > > > this line clear this up > > > > for > > > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel > > > > > (the > > > > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 > > > > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > > > > genealogy records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=123 > > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

> Sandra's mention of the Kerchner site brings another point of interest to mind. I have viewed Mr. Kerchner's work (which is extensive)and encourage all of you to go to his home page and search the various segments of information he has provided, some good history regarding the German immigrants. The aspect that I am interested in is the Genealogy by DNA. If you go to Kerchner's home page and scroll down to the DNA project indentified with the "NEW" logo, you will find a project he is working on that is very interesting. Since our Leonhart came from the Palatinate area I plan to contact Kerchner and present my heritage for his evaluation for his project. If he declines I still plan to contact Family Tree DNA (www.familytreedna.com) for a kit for DNA testing. I will let you know what comes of this. Also, I am putting together some information on from sources I have on Henry Cagle (I agree some of the lines of descent appear to be a little tangled). Earl L. Cagle, Sr.! > From: Sandra Mckeithan <[email protected]> > Date: 2003/10/20 Mon PM 07:02:58 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > Montgomery Co?? > > After reading countless messages concerning the names Leonard Kegel's sons, > I started searching to see if I could come up with something that might help > us. I found the following site that explains the naming of the German and > PA German children. The address is www.kerchner.com/nickname.htm . After > looking at the Americanized versions of some of the names, go to the very > bottom of the page and click on German Naming Customs. I think that will > explain why we might have 2 Johns or Georges or whatever in this family. > Hope it helps someone. > > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earl Cagle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > Montgomery Co?? > > > > To those of you new to the Cagle list, these issues have been discussed > > many times before. We at one time discussed how German names were changed > > over a period of time, once these people settled in America. To start with > > many were illiterate and there for couldn't even spell their own surname. > > If your name was Kegel, and someone in a record spelled it in a different > > way, you were none the wiser. > > First names were changed as well such as Johan to John, Leonhart to > > Leonard. We had discussed how Dewalt , may have became David. I don't > > remember what we determined the name Theobald, to be. When this list was > > started about six years ago there weren't as many resources on the > Internet > > as there are now. I think with some research on the Internet we can > > determine what some German first names became in America. > > There are still people living today in America and Germany with the > surname > > Kegel, and I have seen Cagley as a surname. I don't know if all of these > > surnames started out as Kegel, and then changed into a few similar > surnames. > > It is still open to debate as to who all were children of Leonhart Kegel, > > our immigrant ancestor. > > Keep in mind however that he was born abt. 1684, may have started > fathering > > children as young as seventeen. He may also have continued to have > children > > into his late 60's or early 70's. > > Also we know he was married more than once, added to the fact that many > > early records are very sparse. > > Earl > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: David Cagle <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Date: 10/18/2003 5:09:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > John, > > > The Baptismal record shows: Johan Theobald Kegel. > > > I am not sure how Dewalt got into this? > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:59 AM > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > David - > > > > I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for helping. > > > > Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)? > > > > John > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: David Cagle [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM > > > > To: John Speight; [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > I missed the question---I think? > > > > Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 > Germany. > > > > David > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna - > > > > > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query > about > > > > > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm afraid > > > > > all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh. > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, > > > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out > > > > > there? Or, > > > > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been > > > > looking > > > > > at > > > > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused > > > > > records. Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate > > > > > > person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this > > > > > > line clear this up > > > > > for > > > > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the > > > > > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt > 1750 > > > > > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > records, go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Sandra, Thanks for taking the time to find this for our list members. As soon as I get caught up I am going to review this website. Thanks, Earl > [Original Message] > From: Sandra Mckeithan <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 10/20/2003 6:14:28 PM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan,Montgomery Co?? > > After reading countless messages concerning the names Leonard Kegel's sons, > I started searching to see if I could come up with something that might help > us. I found the following site that explains the naming of the German and > PA German children. The address is www.kerchner.com/nickname.htm . After > looking at the Americanized versions of some of the names, go to the very > bottom of the page and click on German Naming Customs. I think that will > explain why we might have 2 Johns or Georges or whatever in this family. > Hope it helps someone. > > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earl Cagle" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > Montgomery Co?? > > > > To those of you new to the Cagle list, these issues have been discussed > > many times before. We at one time discussed how German names were changed > > over a period of time, once these people settled in America. To start with > > many were illiterate and there for couldn't even spell their own surname. > > If your name was Kegel, and someone in a record spelled it in a different > > way, you were none the wiser. > > First names were changed as well such as Johan to John, Leonhart to > > Leonard. We had discussed how Dewalt , may have became David. I don't > > remember what we determined the name Theobald, to be. When this list was > > started about six years ago there weren't as many resources on the > Internet > > as there are now. I think with some research on the Internet we can > > determine what some German first names became in America. > > There are still people living today in America and Germany with the > surname > > Kegel, and I have seen Cagley as a surname. I don't know if all of these > > surnames started out as Kegel, and then changed into a few similar > surnames. > > It is still open to debate as to who all were children of Leonhart Kegel, > > our immigrant ancestor. > > Keep in mind however that he was born abt. 1684, may have started > fathering > > children as young as seventeen. He may also have continued to have > children > > into his late 60's or early 70's. > > Also we know he was married more than once, added to the fact that many > > early records are very sparse. > > Earl > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: David Cagle <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Date: 10/18/2003 5:09:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > John, > > > The Baptismal record shows: Johan Theobald Kegel. > > > I am not sure how Dewalt got into this? > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:59 AM > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > David - > > > > I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for helping. > > > > Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)? > > > > John > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: David Cagle [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM > > > > To: John Speight; [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > I missed the question---I think? > > > > Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 > Germany. > > > > David > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna - > > > > > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query > about > > > > > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm afraid > > > > > all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh. > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, > > > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out > > > > > there? Or, > > > > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been > > > > looking > > > > > at > > > > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused > > > > > records. Anyone? > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate > > > > > > person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this > > > > > > line clear this up > > > > > for > > > > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the > > > > > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt > 1750 > > > > > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > records, go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

After reading countless messages concerning the names Leonard Kegel's sons, I started searching to see if I could come up with something that might help us. I found the following site that explains the naming of the German and PA German children. The address is www.kerchner.com/nickname.htm . After looking at the Americanized versions of some of the names, go to the very bottom of the page and click on German Naming Customs. I think that will explain why we might have 2 Johns or Georges or whatever in this family. Hope it helps someone. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Cagle" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > To those of you new to the Cagle list, these issues have been discussed > many times before. We at one time discussed how German names were changed > over a period of time, once these people settled in America. To start with > many were illiterate and there for couldn't even spell their own surname. > If your name was Kegel, and someone in a record spelled it in a different > way, you were none the wiser. > First names were changed as well such as Johan to John, Leonhart to > Leonard. We had discussed how Dewalt , may have became David. I don't > remember what we determined the name Theobald, to be. When this list was > started about six years ago there weren't as many resources on the Internet > as there are now. I think with some research on the Internet we can > determine what some German first names became in America. > There are still people living today in America and Germany with the surname > Kegel, and I have seen Cagley as a surname. I don't know if all of these > surnames started out as Kegel, and then changed into a few similar surnames. > It is still open to debate as to who all were children of Leonhart Kegel, > our immigrant ancestor. > Keep in mind however that he was born abt. 1684, may have started fathering > children as young as seventeen. He may also have continued to have children > into his late 60's or early 70's. > Also we know he was married more than once, added to the fact that many > early records are very sparse. > Earl > > > > [Original Message] > > From: David Cagle <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Date: 10/18/2003 5:09:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > John, > > The Baptismal record shows: Johan Theobald Kegel. > > I am not sure how Dewalt got into this? > > > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:59 AM > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > David - > > > I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for helping. > > > Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)? > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: David Cagle [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM > > > To: John Speight; [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > John, > > > I missed the question---I think? > > > Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 Germany. > > > David > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM > > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > Donna - > > > > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query about > > > > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm afraid > > > > all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh. > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out > > > > there? Or, > > > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been > > > looking > > > > at > > > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused > > > > records. Anyone? > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate > > > > > person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this > > > > > line clear this up > > > > for > > > > > me? > > > > > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the > > > > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 > > > > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cagle, Carter, Jackson, James, Hart, Archer Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0JH.2ACEB/78.190.403.2.1 Message Board Post: Emmett and wife, Sarah Hitchcock Cagle had at least 11 children, some with names who match those of your inquiry. You mentioned a "Fannie". This could be a nickname for his sister, Francis Ann Cagle, who went by Fannie.

Thank you Lee, Earl and all the other long-time researchers for sharing over and over again all the info you've gathered in your research efforts. I know it must get tiresome to repeat things as new people come to the list or begin their ancestor hunts. Know that your efforts are appreciated even when we forget to tell you so! Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > Donna, > > George made his first known appearance in 1769, when he witnessed the > deed whereby "David" Johan Theobald Dewalt Kegel/Cagle b. 1728, sold his > his plantation in Cumberland, having moved westward to the Rowan/Cabarrus > County area of North Carolina. It was thought at one time among Cagle > researchers that George was the oldest son of "David" Kegel/Cagle, b. > 1728, but more recent research seems to suggest he is more likely the > youngest brother of David. During the 1770s and 1780s, George Cagle > appeared in a variety of records in Cumberland and Moore Counties (Moore > being formed in 1784 from the NW part of Cumberland), including a survey > for a land grant in 1772, near the plantation of John "Dutchman" > Kegel/Cagle at the forks of Bear and Cabin Creeks; this tract of 150 > acres was granted to George on 24 May 1773, and it apparantly was his > home until his move to Montgomery (present Stanly) County, NC in the late > 1780s. > George also appeared on all the extant tax lists for Cumberland County > prior to the formation of Moore Co., those being the lists of 1777-1780 > and 1783. After the formation of Moore, George made about a dozen > appearances in the minute book of the Court of Pleas and Quarter > Sessions (1784-1795 record book) during the years 1784 through 1788, > primarily as a juror and a road overseer. His last threee appearances, > in 1788, were as follows: > > May 1788 Court: Among those appointed to serve as jurymen for the next > term of court were George and Leonard Cagle. > Aug 1788 Court: List of men selected as Grand Jurors for the term > includes George and Leonard Cagle. > Nov 1788 Court: Among those men ordered to appear for jury duty at the > next term of court were George, Leonard and John "Dutchman" Cagle. > > No records for George Cagle are found in the minutes of the Court of > Pleas and Quarter Sessions of Moore County for the years 1789 and > following and it might be considered whether 1789 was his year of > migration to Montgomery Co., NC. It is known George appeared in records > of Montgomery County as early as 7 Jan 1790, when he made an entry for a > grant of 50 acres on the Cedar Branch of Stoney Run; > this tract was surveyed on 14 Feb 1791, with Georges son, Benjamin Cagle, > 1774-1843, serving as one of the chain carriers. The tract was granted > to George on 20 Dec 1791, and it is believed he lived on or near this > tract until his death in 1825. George was apparently missed in the > Federal Survey of 1790, Montgomery County. > > George was listed on the US Fed Censuses for Montgomery County, North > Carolina for 1800 and 1810. > > 1800 Montgomery , North Carolina W. of Peedee > Cagle, George 02301-01101 > > 1810 Montgomery North Carolina , W. Peedee. > Cagle, George 00001-02001 > > George Cagle 1740s-1825, lived in the western end of Montgomery Co., NC > which eventually became Stanly County in 1841. However, most of the > early records of Montgomery County were lost to a courthouse fire in > 1838, and among those records lost were the estate papers of George and > Charles Cagle. The only clue to contents of the George Cagle estate > comes from a brief mention in the Benjamin Cagle letter of 1826. The > following letter was sent by Benjamin Cagle 1774-1843 of Montgomery Co., > NC, to his brother David Cagle and his sister Elizabeth Cagle Hagler, > wife of Jacob Hagler, all of Henry Co., GA. The impression given is > Benjamin's letter was enclosed with the letter from his mother, Rebecca > (see notes on Rebecca). The text of Benjamin's letter, which deals > largely with the settlement of his deceased father's estate, reads as > follow: > > Brothers and Sisters and families: > > "I write these few lines to you to let you know that we are all well at > this time but has been very sickly this fall. We lost one of the family > this fall he was about two years old a black boy. The above is > sufficient for you to read and now I come to write you how Father's > concerns stands. He left one horse, two cows, and all household > furniture to Mother and all the rest to be equally divided except twenty > dollars over and above to Robert and I and George. I expect to be ready > by next October to make settlement with the Legatees and I should be glad > that you could come out then as the amount of the sale was only one > hundred fifty one or two dollars. I understand that Jacob Hagler and > Elizabeth is a coming out here this winter but I want them to come next > fall as he wrote to send him word whether or not there was any critters > left for him. No there is none but one and that is left to mother. > > "So no more at present but remain your affectionate brother until death. > > "Benjamin Cagle," > > To Mr. David Cagle, State of Georgia Henry County and Elizabeth Hagler. > (Note the word "creter" may > mean "Critter or Creature" i.e., animal. > > The person who is referred to as "father" in Benjamin's letter obviously > was George Cagle, who had died in 1825. The fact Rebecca's husband was > named George is verified by the 1797 baptismal records of daughter, > Rebecca, b. 1791, in which the parents are given as George and Rebecca > Cagle. > > George and Rebecca were members of the Church which was located near Big > Creek, Just off Hwy 27 west of the bridge in a pasture below Liberty Hill > Primitive Baptist Church . There are a lot of graves located there, but > George Cagle , 1750 - 1825 and Mary Harley are the only graves marked. > The land where the Church was is now owned by the Huneycutts. > > Another researcher of this line is Jason Cagle, 133 Cotton Tail Lane, > Concord, NC 28025 or Jason Cagle, > Harvard Univ, 281 Eliot House Mail Ctr, 101 Dunster St, Cambridge, MA > 02138-7524 > > Lee Cagle > Okla City > On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 07:33:50 -0500 "David Cagle" <[email protected]> > writes: > > Donna, > > You are talking about the same person. Any guess I made would only > > be > > speculation. If George was born close to 1740, he was probably the > > child of > > "Old" Leonard. On the other hand, a 1750 birth for George would > > allow him > > to be considered the son of David who was born in 1728. On the > > whole, it > > appears that George might be a little old to be the son of David. > > For that > > reason and the migration patters of George, until proven > > differently, I > > think George was a brother to David. > > My 2 cents worth, > > David > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:24 PM > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > Rowan, > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out > > there? > > Or, > > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been > > looking > > at > > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same > > confused > > records. > > > Anyone? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate > > person. > > I'm > > > > not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this line clear > > this up > > > for > > > > me? > > > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the > > immigrant) > > > > as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 linked > > to David > > > > (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, I have put many messages on many forums for help and someone told me to put a message here. I know I am a Cagle but I seem to be a lost one.I am Robin Michelle Cagle born August 1, 1961 in Laurens SC. My father was Douglas Roy Cagle born Mar 25 1942 in Clinton SC- died in Feb 1968. His father was Roy Cagle born Oct7, 1907 in Tenn.died in July1963. His father was David Cagle mother was Sally Grasty in 1800s.They moved to NC.Then my grandfather moved to SC and married a Cassie Geddings(2nd marraige). His first marraige was to an unknown but with 3 kids Jack, John , and Mary.If anyone could help me with this I would be so very happy. Thank you,

To those of you new to the Cagle list, these issues have been discussed many times before. We at one time discussed how German names were changed over a period of time, once these people settled in America. To start with many were illiterate and there for couldn't even spell their own surname. If your name was Kegel, and someone in a record spelled it in a different way, you were none the wiser. First names were changed as well such as Johan to John, Leonhart to Leonard. We had discussed how Dewalt , may have became David. I don't remember what we determined the name Theobald, to be. When this list was started about six years ago there weren't as many resources on the Internet as there are now. I think with some research on the Internet we can determine what some German first names became in America. There are still people living today in America and Germany with the surname Kegel, and I have seen Cagley as a surname. I don't know if all of these surnames started out as Kegel, and then changed into a few similar surnames. It is still open to debate as to who all were children of Leonhart Kegel, our immigrant ancestor. Keep in mind however that he was born abt. 1684, may have started fathering children as young as seventeen. He may also have continued to have children into his late 60's or early 70's. Also we know he was married more than once, added to the fact that many early records are very sparse. Earl > [Original Message] > From: David Cagle <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 10/18/2003 5:09:41 PM > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > John, > The Baptismal record shows: Johan Theobald Kegel. > I am not sure how Dewalt got into this? > > David > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:59 AM > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > Montgomery Co?? > > > > David - > > I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for helping. > > Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)? > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Cagle [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM > > To: John Speight; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > John, > > I missed the question---I think? > > Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 Germany. > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM > > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > Donna - > > > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query about > > > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm afraid > > > all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh. > > > John > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out > > > there? Or, > > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been > > looking > > > at > > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused > > > records. Anyone? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate > > > > person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this > > > > line clear this up > > > for > > > > me? > > > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the > > > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 > > > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Does anyone connect with this fellow? Walter Lonzo CAGLE, Birth: 28 Oct 1884 in Murphy, Cherokee,North Carolina; m: Florence Angeliune Russel, b. 27 Jan 1894 in Monroe Co., TN on 11 May 1911 in Monroe Co., TN. Children: William Eston Cagle, b. 3 Aug 1912, Loudon, TN. Lee Cagle Okla City ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Hi Here are my notes in my family tree. There is a place were you can see what the german names are in english and I can't remember but I think David was the english name for Dewalt?? anyone else know how this went. Johan Theobald Dewalt (David) Kegel\Cagle is the brother of Johannes "John Dutchman" Cagle there are not the same person. Nancy Jane David's trip to North Carolina; Some of the Cagle's including David 1728 -1850, traveled to North Carolina on the Great Philadelphia Wagon Road, some called it the Old Salem Road. When the first census was taken in 1790, there were ten Cagle families living in Moore County, North Carolina . Johan Theobald (Dewalt) "David Cagle (they called him David Cagle). Childs name Johan Theobald, born the 29th. of April 1728, and was Baptized on 1st of May 1728. Sponcers name, Theobold Fuchs, the sponcer from Alsenborn and wife Christina, and Andrusa Busch from Trippstadt, Reformed .. Parents names Leonhart Kegel and his wife Susannah, Reformed from Obermehlingen, Germany. Records are from a German Church records in Sembach Germany. Land Grants: Land Grants of North Carolina , 1767-1818 , Cumberland (present Moore) County. Number 1430 David Caygill 1764 No. 1430 County, Cumberland Name: Caygill, David Acres 100 Grant No 374 Issued Apr 25, 1767 Warrent No. Entry No. 95 Entered April 21, 1764 Book No 23 Page No 24 Location on both sides of Flatt Creek. Notes: David Cagle, and his presumed brother John "Dutchman" Cagle, Acquired land near the same time in early 1764, David's by land entry (April 21, ) and John's purchase from James Cheney (Feb. 3). David's entry shows that his tract of 100 Acres lay "about a quarter of a mile from " John Caygills, Plantation " John was situated at the forks of Bear and Cavin Creeks (where he remained until his death in 1799). David was situated on Flat Creek, which appently was a small tributary of either Bear or Cavin Creek. David's survey, of 100 acres, dose not seem to border directly on any previously owned land, and county, seems to have been sparsely populated at that early date. in 1769, David sold is track of land to William Smith, and moved westward to what is now Cabarrus County, North Carolina. On July 20, David Cagle sold to William Smith the tract of land on Flat Creek which he had bought in 1764: (Original deed on pp. 4-5 below) David Kegle to William Smith: this Indenture made the 20th day of July in the uear of Our Lord 1769. Between David Kegel and Catharine his wife of Rowan County in the Province of North Carolina Planter of the one part & William Smith of Cumberland County in the said Province of the other part Witnesseth that the said David Kegle & Catharine his wife for & said =eration of the sum of 50 pounds proclamation money to him in hand paid the Receipt wherof is hereby acknowledged hath granted bargained sold aliened enfeoffed conveyed & confirmed & by these presents doth grant bargain sell alien enfeoff convey & confirm unto him the said William smith his heirs & assigns forever all that Tract piece or parcel of land situated lying & being in Cumbeland County aforesaid on both sides Flat Creek. Beginning at a Post Oak thence South 39 West 127 poles to a stake thence South 81 East 127 poles to a Red Oak, thence North 39 East 127 poles to a Pine thence North 81 West 127 poles to the beginning including the Plantation Whereon the aboveDavid Kegle sold to the above named William Smith his heirs executors administratores or assigns, Together with all Housed Buildings Orchards Gardens Meadows Enclosures Improvements Woods Trees Waters Water Courses profits Commodities Advantage Hereditaments & appurtenances whatsoever to the same tract piece or parcel of land & premises above mentioned & described belonging or in any wise appertaining, and also the Reversion and Reversions, Remainder & Remainders, rents issues & profits of the said premises & evry part & parcel thereof together with all the estate right title interest claim and demand whatsoever of him the siaid David Kegle & Catharine his wife of in & to the said tract or parcel of Land and Premises & every part & Parcel thereof, to have & to hald the said tract or parcel and land & premises herby granted or mentioned to be granted with their appurtenacnes unto the said William Smith and heirs & assigns forever and the said David Kegle & Catharine his wife for them selves & their heirs the said Tract or parcel of Land and premises & every part & parcel thereof against them & their heirs & againt all person or persons laying any lawful claim thereto, Shall & will Warrant and for ever defind by these presents. In Withness Wherof the said David Kegle & Catharine his wife hath hereunto set their hands & seals the day & year first above written. his Sealed & delivered) David X Kegle (Seal) in presence of ) mark his ) her John X Kegle ) North Carolina Catherine X Kegle (Seal) mark ) Cumberland County mark Simon Hart ) Oct Court 1769 George Kegle ) Then was the execution of this Deed in Open Court due form of Law proved by the Oath of Simon Kegle and ordered to be Recorded & Recorded in Minutes of Said Court. Thomas Rutherford C.C. David Cagle is known to have ties to three North Carolina regions: (1) Old Rowan County, 1760, and perhaps also 1750s. Probably lived somewhere along Deep River, either in Randolph of Guilford, was on tax list, sometime in 1760s, with son John , (2) Old Cumberland County, had land paten at forks of Bear and Cabin Creeks in 1767, which he sold in 1769. (3) Cabarrus County, then part of Mecklenburg, had land entry in 1779, maybe died there in 1780s. Notes from John G. Cagle's books. ---------------------------------------------------------- Ancient Pennsylvania Landmarks Known to Leonhart Kegel, 1732-54 Oley Township, Berks County, PA Oley Township, a few miles east of Reading, in Berks co., PA, is the only township in America which has been added to the National Register of Historic Places, as an entire Township. Its settlement dates back as far as 1699, and it ancient German and French Huguenot homesteads have building standing dated from 1706. It was already a generation old, and a thriving settlement, when the Cagles arrived from Germany in 1730s; and was nearly a half-century old when John "Dutchman" Cagle lived in Oley in the early 1750s. Leonhart Kegel, the 1732 immigrant, and believed to be father of John "Dutchman" Cagle, acquired land in Oley Township in 1737; at that time, however, old Oley Township encompassed more territory than does the present Oley Twp., and section in which Leonhart lived was later made into Alsace Township. The economy of Oley Township was based, originally, on farming in the broad Oley Valley, and on iron-working in the scenic hills which ring the valley. Of the iron furnaces and forges in Oley, perhaps the most famous was that of Iarger Family (later Anglicized to "Hunter"), headed by Nicholas Hunter. In an obscure court case, dating for 1753, Berks Co. records sho that Nicholas Hunter, on one occasion, filed suite against a John Kegle, believed to be John "Dutchman" Cagle, who later moved to North Carolina in 1754-55. Oldest homestead in Oley is that of Johannes Keim, built 1706; he was the ancestor of the Kime family of Guilford Co., NC. Oley Township furnished a number of families to central North Carolina during the 1740s adn 1750s including the Keim, Cagle, and Stutts Families. (The Nicholas Hunter homestead in Oley Twp., neat the ruins of the famed Oley Forge. The Oley Lutheran Church stands nearby, but its early recors are lost. One of the most memorable sights in the city of Reading, Berks Co., PA, is Alsace Hill in the northern part of town, capped by the twin towers of the Alsace Lutheran and Alsace German Reformed Churches. The two churches, identical in construction, stand on either side of a common parking lot, and share a common graveyard. From date of founding in 1732, until construction of the present buildings in 1907, the two congrrefations worshipped in a single building, at alternatin times, under a "Union Church" arrangement. The Alsace churches stand on the homestead of Dewalt Baum, closest neighbor of Leonhart Cagle, during Leonard's period of residence, 1737-1748, in Alsace Township. The Cagles may will have been members of the Alsace Lutheran Church, but this cannot be verified, as early records of the Church have been lost. There is a replica of the original Alsace Church building, which served the congragtion form ca1737-1753 replaced by a stone church in 1753. The log church was in use during the period of Leonard Cagle's residence in the township, and stood about a quarter-mile from his home. The present Alsace Lutheran Church, in use since 1907. and identical building, standing adjacent, is the German Ref. church. Here is a paragraph from the published history of the Alsace Church describes the expansion of the Church in the era of 1748-1754. In 1748, the year of the founding of Reading, PA, Leonard Cagle, vacted his homstead in Alsace and move a few miles distant to Brecknock Township, in Berks Co. (I found this in one or the Cagle Journal of Historical Inquiry's,) (July 1987 pg. 2) by; John G. Cagle of Little Rock , Arkansas. 1810 Census Moore County, North Carolina Cagle , Caty 001 - 01001 P. 060 (widow of John , d-1799)(second wife of John ) John "Dutchman " Cagle ( Some called him Dutch) John Cagle 1726-1799, America's first gold rush, Cabarrus County, North Carolina . The first find was a 17 lb. gold nugget, founded in Little Meadow Creek by Conrad Reeds, minor son of John Reed. A German immigrant , it soon became the nations source of gold. (Then there was a gold strike in California in the late 1840s). Henry Cagle 1760-1830 was a neighbor of John Reed. Old David 1728-1780. and his brother John Dutchman 1726-1799, had homesteaded at this location in 1764. Old David became the owner and operater of the first gold mine in Moore County, North Carolina . John Dutchman's son John inherited 150 acres, John moved to Mississippi in the early 1810s and left his land to his brother ,George 1760-1830. George gave his land to his son John M. Cagle born 1793-1860, He stayed on the place and worked the mine, he became the wealthist Cagle , in America, his assets valued at $35,000.00. Census 1860: John M. Cagle, age 67, born in Nort Carolina Martha Cagle, age 50, born in North Carolina Enoch S. Cagle , age 25, born North Carolina Real Estate Value $ 5,371.00, Personal Property $30,000.00 . John "Dutchman" Cagle - Land Grants & Tax List. John Kegill - died 1799 Bought 100 acres Feb. 1764, by Bear Creek. (This is where the Gold Mine was) David Cayjill - Bought 100 acres, both sides of Flat Creek. Acres. Charles Cagle died 1802, bought land August 11 1767 , on Little Buffalo River . Leonard Bought land in 1768, on Buffalo River. Henry died 1802, bought land on Little Buffalo River . George Died 1825 bought 30 acres between Cabin Creek and Bear Creek. 1767 Tax List: Cumberland County, North Carolina : John Cagle, Henry Cagle, Leonard Cagle . 1777 Tax List: John Cagle 310 Acres. Henry Cagle 150 Acres George Cagle 120 Acres. Names where all misspelled by the land office. Notes from John G. Cagle's books on the Cagle's

Cagle, Howard Huston Race, where born: White, Carterville Relation of: Son of Mr & Mrs T. E. Cagle Charge to: Residence: Carterville, Ill Date of birth: Mar 25, 1895 Date of death, age: Aug 20, 1921, 26 years, 4 months, 24 days Place of death: Residence Cause of death: Pulmonary tuberculosis Physician: F. M. Hiller, Carterville Funeral: Baptist Church Occupation, marital status, religion: Plumber, Single, Baptist Parents/birthplaces: T. E. Cagle, Carterville. Cula Caddy, Williamson Co Interment: Oakwood Notes: Book E, page 42

John, The Baptismal record shows: Johan Theobald Kegel. I am not sure how Dewalt got into this? David ----- Original Message ----- From: John Speight <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > David - > I'll merge the two lines and see what I see. Thanks for helping. > Was the person, then, Johann Theobald Daywalt Kegel(l)? > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Cagle [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 8:36 AM > To: John Speight; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > John, > I missed the question---I think? > Dewalt and Theobald are the same person---David Cagle, b. 1728 Germany. > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Speight <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 6:09 AM > Subject: RE: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, > Rowan, Montgomery Co?? > > > > Donna - > > My sentiments exactly. I got dead silence when I posted a query about > > the 2nd generation of Cagles (e.g., Dawalt vs Theobald). I'm afraid > > all of us are using some and the same bogus info. Sigh. > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:24 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [CAGLE] Re: George Cagle c. 1750, 1745, 1740 - Moore, Rowan, > > Montgomery Co?? > > > > > > Hmmm. Does the silence (to my post below) mean there's no one out > > there? Or, > > does it mean no one is willing to go on record? :-) I've been > looking > > at > > Ancestry and it seems there are many people with the same confused > > records. Anyone? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 10:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [CAGLE] George Cagle c. 1750 > > > > > > > I'm trying to clean up my records and came across a duplicate > > > person. I'm not sure which entry is correct. Can someone in this > > > line clear this up > > for > > > me? > > > > > > I have George Cagle b. about 1750 linked to Lenhardt Kegel (the > > > immigrant) as his father. Then I also have George Cagle b. abt 1750 > > > linked to David (Theobald Dewalt) as his father. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

There are many Cagles in the combined cemeteries at the following URL: http://www.tngenweb.org/monroe/cems/c1.htm Lee Cagle Okla City ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Lee - I'm looking, I'm looking. They are not to be found in the 1860 and 1870 censuses for NC. Hmm. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [CAGLE] Sarah Cagle m: Wiley Jones, Stanly County, NC The following appears in the Stanly County Historical Society Marriage Book I, 1851-1867, page 11: Cagle, Sarah to Wiley Jones 05 Jun 1853 by W. B. Herrin, JP." Does anyone connect to this family? Lee Cagle Okla City ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237