I have the obituary, need your address to mail to you. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: Charlene Whittlesey [mailto:cwhittlesey@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:46 PM To: Sandrah@ix.netcom.com Subject: Obituary Lookups Hi, I am interested in a lookup for Fresno County for a Mary (Cardoza) Braz who died on December 7, 1968. Asking for a Fresno Bee obituary. Thanks for being a volunteer. Charlene Oregon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.732 / Virus Database: 486 - Release Date: 7/29/2004

I was able to get Philip's obituary and the name is Freida CORSARO - she died in Fresno Feb 22 1973 but no obituary was in the Fresno Bee for that time period. Also able to get his wife, Mary B. WAGNER, and her obituary mentions Mrs. Frieda CORSARO as well. Sister Mrs. Alice BOHL of Denver... Found one Jacob WAGNER age 65 died Contra Costa on June 21 1906 who might be your man. Or perhaps Jacob (spouse initials TH) died age 38 Mendocino Nov 4 1918? I also have the obituary for Jacob "Jake" WAGNER who died Feb 23 1979 Wife is Ella. I also have obit for Henry WAGNER who died Oct 6 2001. Need your address to mail these to you. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: BITSEYBIT@aol.com [mailto:BITSEYBIT@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 9:14 AM To: sandrah@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: WAGNER in Fresno It would be Mary B. Her middle name was Belle Henry was Oct. 6th 2001 How about a Philip Wagner d. 3/4/1960 He was Freida's father. Maybe can get her married name from that obit. Sorry, I didn'[t know there were that many Wagners in Fresno. Thank you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Peterson (Edison Co Camp) Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GW.2ADE/1643 Message Board Post: Looking for information on my Grandfather Olof Peterson. who died of Typhoid Fever at the So. Cal. Edison co. camp. in 1924 , he lived @ 17 Kerney street Fresno, Ca. was a widower had one daughter esther 20, grandchildren ruth 2 1/2 and Howard 1 year old in the 1920 census. I would like to find the Daughters married name and of course where they lived after his death. Also where and how would I find the owner of that home at 17 Kerney street Fresno, Cal.thai may help me. Thank you for your help. Erick

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: PHIPPS-TOLLIVER-HACKETT, PHIPPS, TOLLIVER, HACKETT, TOLLIVER-HARDEN, HARDEN, TOLIVER-LOPES, LOPES, TOLLIVER-HENSEN, HENSON, HACKETT-DAVIS, DAVIS, HACKETT-PALMER, PALMER, HACKETT-BAILEY, BAILEY, PHIPPS-SANDERS, PHIPPS, SANDERS Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GW.2ADE/1642 Message Board Post: Iona Phipps-Tolliver-Hackett Iona Phipps-Tolliver-Hackett died at Woodland Memorial Hospital on Monday, July 12, 2004, at age 80. Born Jan. 25, 1924 in Kingsburg, Mrs. Hackett came from a family of migrant farm workers. She attended Esparto High School for two years and resided in Yolo County for 66 years. Survivors include her six daughters, Louana Tolliver-Harden and her husband Nick of Guinda, Charlotte Tolliver-Lopes of Yuba City, Colleen Tolliver-Henson of Sacramento, Carmen Hackett-Davis of Aurora, Colo., Paula Hackett-Palmer and Marva Hackett-Bailey both of Sacramento; her identical twin sister Leona Phipps-Sanders and husband John; her brother Eldon Phipps and wife Betty; 22 grandchildren, 38 great-grandchildren and four great-great-grandchildren. She is also survived by numerous nieces and nephews. Preceding her in death were her parents; son-in-law David Lopes; grandson Kenneth Scott and granddaughter Saycha Davis. Services: Family and friends are invited to attend a celebration of Mrs. Hackett's life at 10 a.m., Friday, July 16, at the Esparto Community Center/Scout Cabin, Highway 16. Private interment at Capay Cemetery will be scheduled at a later date. In lieu of flowers, the family requests memorial donations be made in Mrs. Hackett's honor to the Yolo Federal Credit Union, account No. 164300, for the Esparto High School Scholarship Program. Arrangements are under the direction of Kraft Bros. Funeral Directors of Woodland. (Obituary from the Woodland "Daily Democrat," Thursday, July 15, 2004, (Woodland, Yolo County, California). Submitted with the permission of the "The Daily Democrat," 711 Main St., Woodland, CA 95695. <http://www.dailydemocrat.com/> Please note: I am not related to the family listed above, and I do not have any further information on this family.)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: OBIT LOOKUP plese for David Sallee Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GW.2ADE/1640.1 Message Board Post: Thank you Sandra. Will be looking forward to your e-mail. Carl

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: David N. Sallee Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GW.2ADE/1640 Message Board Post: Am seeking obituary look up for David N. Sallee who died 13 July 1973 in Fresno. Calif. Thank you Carl Schulz

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GW.2ADE/1197.3 Message Board Post: Hey my names Ben Ehrastom, my grandpas name is Fred Ehrastom. I just got off the phone with my dad and he said we had family in honolulu. So uhhh yea. gimme an email if you can, hopefully we can get in contact soon.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: FARR Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GW.2ADE/1639 Message Board Post: From "Wingspread" Vol. 1. No. 50 - June 24, 1943 Peterson Field, Colorado Springs, Colo. F-5A Plane Crash Kills Photo Pilot Second Lt. Forest E. FARR of the 7th Photo Squadron was killed Thursday morning, June 15, when his F-5A plane crashed on the Camp Carson reservation. The plane burned and was completely destroyed. He had taken off from here on a routine training flight. The crash occurred at 10:50 a.m. Graduating from the Advanced Flying School, Luke Field, Ariz., Lt. FARR received his commission Jan. 4, 1943. He is survived by his parents, Mr. and Mrs. Forest L. FARR of 1296 Linden Ave., Fresno., Calif., and his wife. The lieutenant and his wife had been living in the Helen Hunt cottage, Manitou Springs. (Not a name that I am researching. I post this in case it is of interest to others.)

I can try next week. Let me know. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: rubie [mailto:ringleader@sti.net] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:04 AM To: CA-DEATH-INDEX-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fresno, Ca. Obit--Engelman Need obits on: Elmer P. Engelman (CDI) b. june 5 1914 Colorado d. July 26 1974 Fresno Dale H. Engelman (SSDI) b. 7-26-1921 died Dec 1988 Fresno, Ca. appreciate any help Rubie ______________________________

I can try next week. Let me know. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: rubie [mailto:ringleader@sti.net] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:06 AM To: CA-DEATH-INDEX-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fresno, Ca. Obit--Sphar, Michael George In search of an obit for: Michael George Sphar (CDI) b. May 8 1939 d. May 7 1997 Fresno, Ca. Appreciate any help Rubie ______________________________

Are you sure that is not KOSTIN? I found Stanley KOSTIN, age 79, who died in Fresno on that date, meat cutter at Crown Meats. If this is the correct man I need your address to mail to you. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: Joan [mailto:seascapejb@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:39 PM To: sandrah@ix.netcom.com Subject: Fresno County, California Obituary Look Up I'm interested in the obituary of a Stanley KOSTIW Born March 4, 1906 Died August 9, 1985 in Fresno, CA Thank you, Joan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish.

I have the obits for both Frank CARREA in 1982 and Mary CARREA in 1991 - need address to mail to you. -----Original Message----- From: Federico Rossi [mailto:fedeastro.rossi@libero.it] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:14 AM To: sandrah@ix.netcom.com Subject: Fw: [CAFresno] Carrea Dear Sandra, I forward you the email I received from Joan together with my reply: hope this can help and add some new elements to our inquiry! Thanks a lot. Bests, Federico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Federico Rossi" <fedeastro.rossi@libero.it> To: <JBonezone@aol.com> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [CAFresno] Carrea > Dear Joan, > thank you so much for your help, your email is really a mine of new ideas! > I'll try to answer some of your questions: > It's the first time I hear about this Lorenzo Bertussi, and I'm going to > investigate also about the family relationship among francesco and the two > other guys who emigrated to America with him. > The fact that Francesco's mother is listed in CA Death index (but she never > went to USA, I guess it's only an information usually provided in this > documents) as a Carrea is no surprising: in Alice, this small village near > Gavi, Alessandria almost 70% of the population bears this surname. > From what both Sandra and another friend wrote me I guess that Mary's maiden > name was Ortensio. > So, you've been in Italy, but where, in Piemonte (the Italian region where > Gavi is located) or in Liguria (I live near Genoa in this region)? You wrote > about wines, so I guess is Piemonte, in fact all around Alice there used to > be beautiful wineyards and it's not for chance that Francesco (mmhhh, this > might be an useful information I had forgotten to give you before) after > working as a labourer in a farm finally established his own small business > selling raisins in California (my mother remembers that he used to bring > some with him when he came to visit them in the 50s-60s). > Well, I'm gonna make some more investigations possibly at Gavi's registry > office. > Bests, > federico > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JBonezone@aol.com> > To: ""Federico Rossi"" <fedeastro.rossi@libero.it> > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:47 AM > Subject: Re: [CAFresno] Carrea > > > > Federico, > > Isn't it fun when something fits? I love it!! This is good to know that > both the Ellis Island record and the Clovis Cemetery record look right to > you. I will keep a focus on them, having gone down several rabbit holes and > , so far, haven't gotten any further. Seem to be picking up several cousins > here and there, but no clear hits. Do you recogonize this Lorenzo Bertussi > who they give as a sponsor? Uncle and cousin to the three? Does the Conte > cousin fit in anywhere on the tree? Also the CA Death index lists > Francesco's mother as a Carrea too. These are often inaccurate but it may > be that his father Giacomo married a cousin? Do we know if Francesco and > Guiseppe are brothers or cousins to each other? Guiseppe must be the G > Carrea nearby in the Fresno Census? > > > > It would be helpful if we could find Mary's maiden name--which a death > certificate may give. Or a birth certificate for one or both of the girls, > Clara and Anna. You could write for these--but.... > > > > I am presently working with films at the local LDS center, and today, I > asked if they might have such records on film in their local collection. > They do. So next week when they are open again, I will see if I can find > such a record to save you the angst of writing overland? I didn't ask > today, but I will also see if they have marriage records which would give us > a direct hit to the married names of the daughters. Then we could better > search for living family descendents. > > > > I would also suggest sending their data to Sandra, again, on the Fresno > forum, to see if she can find the obituaries for Francesco and Mary. She > has helped many on the forum this way. The Fresno Weekly Republican or > Fresno Bee are the two newspapers. Ancestry.com lists an obit for Carrea in > the Recorder archives, but I do not have access to those records. That > would give the daughters married names, since the parents lived long past > the time when the daurs would be marrying? > > > > Meanwhile, might you have any other info to add to what I have already? > Any other family names, or siblings, towns in either Italy or California? > These years of migration usually reveal a chain of movement, those coming > first settling in and then sending on for others to follow, as we see in the > Ellis Island record. (There is another family across the bay from San > Francisco in Oakland, Alameda County, who are suspiciously close to your > fellows. Both Bertussi and Conte....) They usually took good care of one > another and established strong communities where they settled. I wish > Fresno had more historical info online for the Italian communities, but I > have't yet found anything to directly assist you. Did you see this little > tid-bit? > > > > Clovis Cemetery 305 Villa Ave. Clovis (Herndon & Villa) > > Tall pine trees and green grass make for a wonderful setting amongst the > larger upright monuments. The older section is unquestionably the most > enjoyable section of this park. > > > > Maybe someone else on the forum would take a photograph of the monument > stones for you? > > It is worth a try, too, especially these days with digital cameras. > > > > So....I will get back to you later next week when I have taken a look at > the films. It is all a wonderful mystery, isn't it? I have also noted that > your region is noted for some tres belle wines? Many years ago on my first > visit to Italy, I was taken to stay in an old villa in your region. It was > surrounded with rolling vineyards, so much like California. The villa had a > chapel on one side of the courtyard and a high corner tower where I slept. > It was haunted, but with very friendly energy, I found. Maybe they will > help us in your search?? > > > > Say a prayer for the film search--and for Florida. > > > > Best to you, > > Joan in San Francisco > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Found Arthur LOVEALL's notice in small print in the Auburn Journal - Lists as 'near Auburn' Feb 24 1951 Arthur, 68, of Auburn. brother of Mrs. Herman KRAEMER of Fresno, removed to Fresno. Found much better article in Fresno Bee for you. I have copy of Frank LOVELALL's obituary from Fresno Bee in 1957 Also have Stanley "Blackie" LOVEALL's obituary from 1953 Kern paper And also Ida Mae LOVEALL of 1959 in Fresno Bee. And I was able to get TWO on Clarence in the Fresno Bee in 1947. (I love Fresno!) Need your address to mail these to. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: Sandra [mailto:sandrah@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:44 PM To: CAFRESNO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [CAFresno] Re: Loveall's CA, KY, MO, IA. Name: LOVEALL, STANLEY AQUILLA Social Security #: 562076515 Sex: MALE Birth Date: 17 Nov 1899 Birthplace: CALIFORNIA Death Date: 22 Jul 1953 Death Place: KERN Mother's Maiden Name: BUTWELL Father's Surname: LOVEALL LOVEALL ARTHUR 01/14/1883 MARKWOOD LOVEALL M CALIFORNIA PLACER 02/24/1951 569-30-0271 68 yrs LOVEALL IDA MAE 04/16/1879 WHITNEY FABER F CALIFORNIA FRESNO 09/14/1959 80 yrs LOVEALL CLARENCE 01/22/1901 FABER LOVEALL M CALIFORNIA FRESNO 02/16/1947 46 yrs LOVEALL FRANK 07/19/1876 LOVEALL M CALIFORNIA FRESNO 05/26/1957 80 yrs I can check the Fresno and Placer papers for possible obituaries. Let me know. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of bitseybit@aol.com Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:28 PM To: CAFRESNO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [CAFresno] Re: Loveall's CA, KY, MO, IA. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GW.2ADE/610.1.1 Message Board Post: Researching Aquilla Loveall b.1833 in Indiana and Caroline Markwood b.1854 CA. They lived in Fresno, CA. Their children were: George William, Mary Jane, Frank, Margaret Alice, Arthur, Chloe Ellen. Frank b. 1876 married Ida Mae Faber b. 1879.

Someone asked me recently about tips to use when you are searching for obituary material. Here are some tips that might be of help to others. When you check for obituaries the first thing is to go to the paper you think would be the most likely to have one in it. For example, if Susie died in San Francisco, but spent the majority of her life in Santa Rosa, the better paper to check is the Sonoma Press Democrat, not a San Francisco paper. Also, if the death date is early in the century, for example in the 1906-1930's, you should start checking the paper the day of the death and perhaps even a few days prior. That is because in some areas the illness or accident of the person in question may have also been reported in many cases. Sometimes I think the reporter waited outside the door until the deceased breathed their last and then hot-footed it to the newspaper office to get it into the earliest edition. Many times that information is listed on the front page of the paper you are looking at. If it is not there, Iusually find it won't be in that issue at all, so I have to then fall back and go and look at the next few days. I usually search up to three days after the death, more if I get the clue that the paper reports vitals a little later than I figure. You can get the feel for the time delay if you look at the obituaries being published and see how long ago the person died. If you are looking for a person who died May 21st and the paper has listings in May 22nd for deaths occuring on May 10th -- well, figure the time delay and search accordingly. Also, many times there is an announcement, and then a day or two later, a report on the funeral and burial. These can be good to pull out the pall-bearers' names and the names of minister and solists and such. Some papers do not have an index that indicates where they 'hide' their vital statistics. Others consider vital statistics just births and divorces. You have to check the entire paper to try to figure out where they put them, if they put them in, some don't seem to acknowledge such a thing exists. Some papers do not have the death information clumped in one area but scattered throughout the paper and, to make it even more obscure, they make their headings so esoteric you have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out this is the person you are looking for. "Aged matron Passes" or "Sister Goes On" or some equally cryptic heading leaves much to be desired and you'll have to read the entire article to discover who they are talking about. Some papers, even when they DO have an index don't always put the death notices in the same place, so you have to check each front page to be sure they have them in the place they had them in last time. I've gone on to find a section in B page 3 for example and then, pow, they move it to C page 20. No rhyme nor reason on this. Also, don't be fooled if there is an index listing for Obituaries (or Funerals or Deaths) - sometimes those indexed pages are NOT what you are looking for and you should check in the paper in the Classified section of the paper (near the back) because that may be where your relative is really lurking. After a while you can almost 'smell' where the obituaries are printed - there is a certain distinctive layout - they are usually in the SMALLEST typeface - and sometimes smothered in with weather and temperature reports. And then there are the papers that have few and far between articles or obituary information - papers like the San Diego Union, Santa Cruz Sentinnel, Alameda papers or Los Angeles Times. Tulare is also a 'get lucky if you can' area. However, there are some areas that are almost a joy to search because you come up with something in most of them - areas like Fresno, Butte County, Sonoma, Yolo County, Sacramento, etc. Obits can be very helpful in determining relationships and finding out things like who Suzie BROWN was married to (that's if she is mentioned by her married name in Mom and Dad BROWN's obit). Sandra

Do you have an obituary on him? If not, I could check for one for you. Let me know. I would think that Conny Street listed in 1921 is the Kearney Street you eventually discovered he was living on in 1924 -- perhaps a misunderstanding of his accent when he told the recorder. Sandra -----Original Message----- From: Erick G Olofsson [mailto:coollugan@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 8:43 AM To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Peterson, Olof Searching for Relatives of Olof Peterson Born 1855 Sweden may be shown as Denmark. Immagrated possibly in 1880's thru Denmark and Sweden 2 or 3 times July 1886 and again in 1921 Sept. 06, where he had a Family in Sweden. In 1920 visited His Sister Caroline in and other relatives in or near Frederiksborg, Denmark. Most exciting was what he told about, how he had lost his wife, whom he saw being killed during the earthquake in San Francisco in 1905. It looks like he had been married twice. Once to Grandmother and second to anoyjer lady to whom I would like to find her relatiives. On arrival in 1921 Elis Island List13 there shows he was alone, final destination @ 17 Conny Street Fresno, Ca.Next of Kin Caroline Johansson, Frederiksborg,Denmark. Age 66. I could not find a conny street but on the 1920 US Census @ 17 Kearney Street Freno, Ca, there I found him living with daughter Esther 30, Grandchildren Ruth 26 and Howard age 13. S Shows he arrived 1869 from Denmark and worked @ a slaughter house? Died in Fresno 17 Kearney St. 2/21/1924, buried Mountaun View Cemetary Thank you for any help available thru you. Erick ______________________________

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GW.2ADE/1638.1 Message Board Post: Here are all the Carrea's born in California from 1905-1997 Last_Name First_Name Middle_Name B_yr B_mo B_dy Mothers_Last_Name Sex County_of_Birth idno CARREA 1917 02 04 DIAZ FEMALE LOS ANGELES 0 CARREA ALFRED LEE 1948 03 21 ESCALANTE MALE SANTA CRUZ 0 CARREA ANNA 1923 04 09 ORTENZIO FEMALE FRESNO 0 CARREA CLARA 1922 03 30 ORTINZE FEMALE FRESNO 0 CARREA EDWARD 1923 02 28 LORENZO MALE STANISLAUS 0 CARREA ELIDIA G 1960 01 12 OLGUIN FEMALE LOS ANGELES 0 CARREA JANET MARIE 1993 11 27 GONZALEZCARREA FEMALE BUTTE 0 CARREA MANUEL 1924 01 15 CARREA MALE LOS ANGELES 0 CARREA MARIE 1918 01 16 RYURN FEMALE ORANGE 0 CARREA SALVADOR 1924 01 29 TALEMANT MALE SOLANO 0 CARREA SAMMIE L 1923 02 17 LOZANO MALE LOS ANGELES 0 CARREA SIMON 1940 01 11 ALPERO MALE KERN 0 CARREA SYLVIA 1970 03 21 ARELLANO FEMALE LOS ANGELES 0 CARREA WANDA SUE 1983 08 04 FOUT FEMALE LOS ANGELES 0 Good luck with your search, Tracy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McDonald,Williams Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GW.2ADE/1495.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Janis, I would appreciate any info that you have on Hiram McDonald. I have been at a dead-end for years trying to find his father, Milton McDonald. If you have anything that might provide a clue, I would be happy to receive it. Ruth

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: STROUD, WILLIAMS, BRAWLEY, WATKINS Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GW.2ADE/1495.1.1 Message Board Post: I HAVE SOME INFO. ON HIRAM MC DONALD. I AM THE GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDAUGHTER OF HIS STEPFATHER , IRA STROUD. I KNOW HIRAM'S BIRTH FATHER WAS KILLED IN AN INDIAN RAID IN TEXAS. HIRAM MOVED WITH HIS MOM AND IRA TO ARIZONA. THERE HE WORKED AS A JAIL GUARD, AND LATER BECAME A POLICE OFFICER.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: STROUD, WILLIAMS, BRAWLEY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GW.2ADE/1495.2 Message Board Post: LIZ, ARE YOU RELATED TO THE STROUDS. I AM THEIR GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDAUGHTER. I HAVE IRA'S OBITUARY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE LET ME KNOW. JANIS

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Martin House Clark Christensen Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GW.2ADE/573.595.599 Message Board Post: Joseph House was the grandson of John House and Margaret Foster/Forster. When John died Margaret married Thomas Martin. Thomas & Margaret Foster House Martin's grandchildren, William, Joseph, John and Fannie Martin along with their mother Emeline Clark Martin all moved to Fresno Co. about 1885 from Ray Co., Missouri. Thomas House, Joseph's father, was a brother to Ezekiel and Joseph House that came to California in 1846 with the Thomas Rhoads wagon train. Thomas' wife Elizabeth was a sister to Margaret Foster House Martin. Hallie