Judy, This indeed is part of my family. Thank you so much for finding this for me. Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Judy Mawhorter <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 6:25 PM Subject: [CAAMADOR-L] Hattie Harding >I think someone on the list was researching this family. Does this help? > >>From Amador Dispatch, 10/16/1903: DEATH OF HATTIE HARDING -- Information >has just reached us of the death of Hattie, eldest daughter of William >Harding of Pine Grove. Deceased left Amador county about a year ago, to >join her mother, Mrs. Frank Onkeson, in Nevada. She was married on June >27th and on August 28th she went to the well to draw a bucket of water, and >it supposed she slipped and fell in, as her body was found in the water. >Her father did not know of her marriage until he heard of her death, and >did not then learn who she married. He is nearly heart-broken over the sad >news. She was a niece of Mrs. Charles Calvin, of Pine Grove. She was well >known in Amador and Calaveras Counties, and was at one time a pupil at St. >Agnes' Academy at Stockton. She leaves a father, mother, one sister and >two brothers besides many friends to mourn her sad and early death. >(Stockton papers please copy.) > >Judy in Winnemucca, NV >[email protected] > > > > > >

Hi, Abigail; I'm in Stl Paul, MN--551 Laurel Ave 55102--. Just got back from 2 wks in CA and Seattle. Ready to work! Where are you? I have roots in Benton Co AR and lived in Tulsa 12 years. Cuz Win On Sat, 8 May 1999 23:27:06 -0500 "Abbie Parrish" <[email protected]> writes: >Winn, what do you mean how do I copy it, do you mean your articles, if >so I >use the photo-copy machine at our local library, if you mean the film, >I >also use the film copier at the library. >What the mule stuff I only live about 2 hours from Steve, HA!HA! >still need your snail-mail address, Lets see where you are. Abigail > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

At 9:46 AM -0700 5/9/99, [email protected] wrote: >X-Message: #14 >Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 07:11:52 -0600 >From: "Steve Illum" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [CAAMADOR-L] membership >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I am determined to continue to try to build the membership of our list. I'm >starting with the Surname list on the website. I don't think the following >people belong yet. If you do, please speak up. This will save me some time >in writing a special invitation to you. > >Jerry Smith, Kerry Buckler, Garibaldi, Annette Allen, Jim French, Lesly >Klippel, Peggy Santana, Art Maroon, Catherine Alexander, Dru Lewis, Julie >Strube, Caryl Arnese, Phyllis Welsh, Scott Hall, Maggee Smith, Evelyn >Langston, Suzanne Maloon, Jennifer Castiblanco, Dean Perano, Sandy Castor. <snip> I am relatively new to CAAMADOR, have not been to the surname site above and my name is not listed above either. What is the URL? I'll check it out. Thanks. Yvonne Oliver Bowers, Listmom, GenConnect Administratior, Proud Rootsweb Sponsor NORCAL, SOCAL, CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing lists dedicated to the history and genealogy of Northern & Southern California NORCAL Library http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html NORCAL Genealogy Index http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/ CA-GOLDRUSH Most Wanted: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/CAGOLDRUSH/goldrushdigest.html

I am determined to continue to try to build the membership of our list. I'm starting with the Surname list on the website. I don't think the following people belong yet. If you do, please speak up. This will save me some time in writing a special invitation to you. Jerry Smith, Kerry Buckler, Garibaldi, Annette Allen, Jim French, Lesly Klippel, Peggy Santana, Art Maroon, Catherine Alexander, Dru Lewis, Julie Strube, Caryl Arnese, Phyllis Welsh, Scott Hall, Maggee Smith, Evelyn Langston, Suzanne Maloon, Jennifer Castiblanco, Dean Perano, Sandy Castor. Sometimes we only know each other by given name, so just let me know if I've made a mistake & listed you here. If you know anyone on this list, and know of some special circumstance why I shouldn't spend my precious time recruiting someone, let me know. I will send another list of names soon, and this same message will apply. I just don't have time to repeat everything said here. Thanks for understanding. From now on, I'll just send the names. Steve

I just sent Chapter 4 (Anthony) to Art yesterday afternoon so, with any luck (and a rub of my prayer rock . . . that's what we use in The Ozarks), it will appear soon. Steve

Steve, Don't waste your time on Scott Hall, he is my son. He had been helping me a couple of years ago. that was when I didn't know anything about computers. Since then he has fallen in love (hard) and gotten married. I'm doing it on my own. Diane Hall

Jackie in Jackson -- >From Amador Dispatch, 09/17/1909, article titled "Two Called By Sudden Death". (Elbridge Guptill and Melvin Nichols) Melvin Nichols, a well-known resident of the New York Ranch section, died suddenly Tuesday from what the doctor afterwards certified to be apoplexy. It seems that Nichols was doing some chores about the place, and while carrying some hay on a fork to feed some cows he sank to the ground and called for a glass of water, and in a few minutes fell over dead. The body was brought to Jackson yesterday for interment, services being held at the cemetery by Rev. Mr. Burbank, of the Ione Free Methodist church, there being no other Protestant minister in the county on account of the conference sessiion. Deceased was a native of Georgia and was 63 years of age at the time of his death. He was one of nine children, seven of whom are still living. They are Mrs. R.J. Adams, Mrs. Langford, James, Wesley, Dow, and W. Nichols; and two children, a son and daughter, are left to mourn the loss of a father. His mother died of paralysis at Jackson Valley March 1, 1899, and his father was killed by Indians while the family was crossing the plains in 1857. Judy in Winnemucca, NV [email protected]

Winn, what do you mean how do I copy it, do you mean your articles, if so I use the photo-copy machine at our local library, if you mean the film, I also use the film copier at the library. What the mule stuff I only live about 2 hours from Steve, HA!HA! still need your snail-mail address, Lets see where you are. Abigail

Hi, Steve; do they still deliver the mail on mules? (You started it! Besides, I have roots there so it is legal!) <BG> Win in MN (No--we speak English in spite of "Fargo"--) On Fri, 7 May 1999 05:57:38 -0600 "Steve Illum" <[email protected]> writes: >Well Abbie, don't forget, we're in The Ozarks down here . . . . > >Steve > >-----Original Message----- >From: Abbie Parrish <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 10:01 PM >Subject: [CAAMADOR-L] film > > >>Steve and the rest of our gang, The Calif film can be extended, my >friend >at >>our library called and they said yes, so if you need an extension you >can >>get it, I actually made it through a month of 1902 today, the 1902 >paper is >>pretty big, saw lots of familiar names, watch the personal and >around >>sections and probate sections for lots of good stuff. I even found >some >neat >>old adds I could copy and frame. enjoyed the time spent on this >paper. Hope >>the rest of you do too, >>Steve, I can,t believe you do not have yours as you ordered before I >did >and >>we are in the same state only a few hours apart, maybe it was out on >loam. >>hope to hear you have yours soon, as you will enjoy reading it, >>did not finish lookups as had company until 10.30p.m. but will in >the >>morning.so please be patience with me Abigail >> > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Del - Can't find your email, so will post to list. In case you may not have the following -- HAPPIE LOUISE STIRNAMAN -- Mrs. Happie Louise Stirnaman, teacher at the Julian school died Sunday at the home of Mr. and Mrs. Frank Thornton near Camanche. The deceased contracted a severe cold which developed into pneumonia which ended fatally. Mrs. Stirnaman was a highly esteemed resident of the county and has been one of the most efficient teachers of Amador county. Her maiden name was Foster. She was a native of California and aged 54 years, 1 month and 20 days. Surviving her are a husband, Charles A. Stirnaman; two daughters, Mrs. Gladys Holly and Miss Joy Stirnaman, and three sons, Clyde, Bernard and Billie Stirnaman. The funeral was held Tuesday afternoon at Pine Grove, Rev. E.F. Brown of this city officiating. (From Amador Dispatch, 01/25/1924) Judy in Winnemucca, NV [email protected]

--------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Edward A. Black, Sr. [& Ruth M. Black]" <[email protected]> To: w terrell <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:50:26 -0700 >From Win for your pleasure: > --------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 01:48:04 EDT > Subject: Aunt Charlotte's book (the great barbacues of the 1850's) > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > My Father was a friendly man. He liked his neighbors and liked to see > them around him. Mr. Sawyer was like him and they enjoyed being together. > As > soon as things became a bit easier for us and our herd of cattle had > increased to where a fat beef would be spared now and then. Mr. sawyer > and > Father would give a barbecue. Sometimes other neighbors would go in with > them, so maybe three or four fat beeves would be donated to the feast. > Everyone from far and near would be asked, even the Indians were told to > come. > > The people who came brought whatever they wanted to and ate by > themselves or spread out their dinner on a big community table and > everyone > helped himself. The families giving the party, furnished the meat. > > Real barbecued meat was a great delicacy and had a flavor that was > all its own. It was cooked in a deep pit and took a long time. > > The pit was dug several days before the time set for the feast. The > size of course, depended upon the size of the beef or number of beeves to > be > roasted. Large rocks were thrown into the pit and a roaring fire built on > top > of them. For three days and nights the fire was kept going. The night > watches > were kept by our boys and boys from neighboring homes. As likely as not > daylight would find twenty five or thirty boys telling stories or nodding > by > the bonfire. And so the big fire was kept going till the earth was hot > for > yards around the pit and the rocks at the bottom of it were at a white > heat, > and the smaller stones piled around the opening of the pit were also red > and > glowing. > > Cutting up the beef to barbecue is rather a nice trick, just exactly > the right proportions of lean and fat, and exactly the right size to each > > piece. Then it had to seasoned and packed into clean canvas bags, twenty > five > or thirty pounds to a bag. Old Uncle Ene' Williams knew all about that > part > of it, so he would always come from across the hills and superintend the > cooking. When the canvas bags were filled and sewed so tightly that no > particle of ash could sift in, the fire was drawn from the pit with long > handled hoes and a blistering task it was. Then the hot rocks at the > bottom > of the pit were covered with leaves and the bags of meat were thrown in. > More > leaves covered it and the hot rocks at the mouth of the pit were shoveled > on > top. Then the earth was filled in till it was five or six feet deep. > > Then everybody went home and left it to itself, there was nothing > more to do to it for twenty four or thirty six hours, (according to the > size > of the barbecue). If a number of beeves were to be roasted, it might take > > several pits to hold all and cook it properly. > > About ten O'clock of the day of the feast, men would start to throw > out the top earth, but leaving the last shovels full till everything else > was > ready and the tables set and loaded with good things. At last the bags > were > taken out and the meat, waxy, brown and juicy and piping hot would be > turned > out into dishpans and tubs and carried to the tables. Then someone would > say > Grace and everyone would eat all he could, knowing full well that there > would > be a nice piece of meat to take home to the ones who could not come. > > I have known of as many as five beeves being killed for one of those > dinners. Even the Indians from away over on the Grande Ronde came, > squaws, > papooses, hungry dogs and all, and everyone had all he wanted. > > These great dinners were usually held on the river bank under the > shade of the big old fir trees and everything seemed so fresh and the air > so > sweet. > > In the afternoon women would gather about in little groups and visit > with each other. The men and boys would run foot races and jump to see > who > could jump the farthest, or lift great weights to show their strength. > > We smaller children played tag and drop the handkerchief or other > equally fascinating games. Then everyone went home, glad that he had > been > there and we were glad that they had come. My Father and Mr. Sawyer loved > > those parties and for many years they gave one every summer. > > Walt Davies > Monmouth, OR -- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Jackie in Jackson -- SPEER MEETS AWFUL DEATH - Skull Fractured and Neck Broken by Fall Between Two Cars ---- The subject of the following dispatch is a brother of w.E. Speer of near jackson, and formerly resided here. He leaves a wife, Lulu Speer and a daughter, Mona Speer. The funeral took place Tuesday. SACRAMENTO, September 1 -- While jumping from one car to another of a moving freight train in the Southern Pacific yards at Fourteenth and B streets Saturday night, Arthur Speer, a switchman, missed his footing and dropped between two cars, being instantly killed. The train was coming to a stop at the time of the fatality and the head of the unfortunate switchman was pinched between the rail and the flange of the car wheel, his skull being fractured and his neck broken. When picked up by Engineer Baughman and the members of the train crew Speer was dead. Coroner Gormley has charge of the remains, and will hold an inquest. Speer lived at Twenty-sixth and G streets, and had been married but a short time. (From Amador Dispatch, 09/03/1909) Judy in Winnemucca, NV [email protected]

I'm home and able to get to work; how do I order etc.? Win in MN On Thu, 6 May 1999 11:29:49 -0500 "Steve Illum" <[email protected]> writes: >I just wish my microfilm would hurry & come in so I could catch up >with some >of you! > >Steve > >-----Original Message----- >From: Abbie Parrish <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 10:48 AM >Subject: [CAAMADOR-L] California tapes > > >>Hey Gang, I am so looking forward to all the information you are >putting on >>here, As a professional genealogist it will make my work easier and >also >>help me in my searches for my family members, I have a lot of friends >that >>are professional genealogist and they applaud us for our work, >>Please what out for my Richies too >>I will try tonight to do the rest of the lookups >>Art, I still do not have your snail mail, if you sent I lost, sorry. >>I am so excited about this project that I put the 3 people I am >working for >>on hold to get it done, and they understood and they too applaud us. >I >think >>I figured out to get it all done in time. soo later Abigail >> > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

I think someone on the list was researching this family. Does this help? >From Amador Dispatch, 10/16/1903: DEATH OF HATTIE HARDING -- Information has just reached us of the death of Hattie, eldest daughter of William Harding of Pine Grove. Deceased left Amador county about a year ago, to join her mother, Mrs. Frank Onkeson, in Nevada. She was married on June 27th and on August 28th she went to the well to draw a bucket of water, and it supposed she slipped and fell in, as her body was found in the water. Her father did not know of her marriage until he heard of her death, and did not then learn who she married. He is nearly heart-broken over the sad news. She was a niece of Mrs. Charles Calvin, of Pine Grove. She was well known in Amador and Calaveras Counties, and was at one time a pupil at St. Agnes' Academy at Stockton. She leaves a father, mother, one sister and two brothers besides many friends to mourn her sad and early death. (Stockton papers please copy.) Judy in Winnemucca, NV [email protected]

Hi, Abigail; How will you copy it? Win in MN On Wed, 5 May 1999 23:54:52 -0500 "Abbie Parrish" <[email protected]> writes: >I will mail your articles, too much to e-mail Abigail >Steve, my California film came in, they said I could only keep it >until the >12th of may, so quess I will copy it as i could not review all the >rolls by >then, and they said no extensions. any ideas? Abigail > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Jackie, I went to the library and did another month, your newspaper must be smaller then the 1902 an each week has several pages of great stuff, I have seen most all the names that I have done lookups on so far, except mine,If I had to write these out I would be there all night, But it will be nice because if some one wants the copy of an obit for 1902 and 1904 I will have it, and some of the Adds our families put in are neat, maybe I can pass some of them on, We are fortunate that we have new film copiers, but we really appreciate your giving birth, The different ones that see me coping so much ask me what I am doing, and when I tell them what we are doing they all think we are great, that makes me work harder, I only got 1 month done. But in the personals and about town sections there is lots and lots of good stuff for out gang and others. Steve got your SASE today and went and mailed your articles. well have a Happy Mothers day Lades, you guys have a great day too, be good to mama. Abigail

Thanks Abbie for the input. I started out the first day of extracting thinking I too was going to make some copies but both printers are broke for both film readers. Need board approval before they can get repaired, so I do the long hand. Which isn't all that bad, it's just the long sitting that gets me. I figure I'm already going to be at the library, might as well take as much time as they'll give me. Yesterday I did 7 1/2 hrs & progressed six months. It's always so amazing to me how long it took people to travel back in the 1900's & earlier. One article yesterday commented that leaving the Globe Hotel in Jackson at 6 a.m. you would arrive in Stockton at 3 p.m., that was a speedy trip. It's 50 miles from one point to the other & today can be done in under an hour. All these tidbits bring home the reality of what life was really like for my ancestors. And Pam, don't know if you've ever had children or not, but all the talk we do about the aches & pains is kind of like child birth. It may not be a great deal of fun while you're going through it but how rewarding when it's all over. I keep thinking about all the little nuggets of information that are buried (using the word loosely) within these articles, that may unlock the door to the whereabouts of someones ancestor. I really feel blessed that I was included to work on this project. Jackie in Jackson

Good morning friends, Pam got your snail mail scanned picture sent this morning Steve, need your snail mail Joyce yours mailed this morning Betty yours mailed this morning Eugene yours mailed this morning Radine mailed this morning Carole, nothing yet. Marilyn this is all I found T.M.Stephens of Jackson Creek farmer and miner from Maine came to CA, 1853 to Ione 1860 taken from the patrons directory, history of Amador, by Thompson and west. Julie, nothing yet Walt nothing yet Ron-taken from Thompson and West also- Nichols,J.B. miner from Wisc. came to Ca. 1850 came to Amador 1859---William and Francis Nichols North Coloma from Cornwall England both in ElDorado County/ the only Young was a Commodore Perry Young Linda t. need your snail mail have lots for you. Mary Ann Horton, William J. resident Camp Opera Dist. business Wood Ranch from Kentucky came to Calif 1854 got mail at Laucha Pl,s owned 160 acres Horton, J. Q. resident township 2 Farmer from Kentucky came to Calif 1853 came to Jackson 1858 from the Thompson and West Amador county History Patrons Directory Winn Terrell need your snail mail have lots for you Thats all folks, do not give up still have one book to go through, but have lots of names to check, just one little favor, please put names in alphabet order if you send lots of names. Have a great day Abigail

I haven't gotten my film yet, either, but you guys are making me nervous talking about back pain and such (writer's cramp and eye strain, too, no doubt). I'm glad libraries are giving extensions, I usually do my geneology research after everyone else is asleep and doubt the library will stay open just for me. Actually, I'm looking forward to it and will just pace myself to do what I can each week. --pam -----Original Message----- From: Abbie Parrish [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 10:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CAAMADOR-L] film Steve and the rest of our gang, The Calif film can be extended, my friend at our library called and they said yes, so if you need an extension you can get it, I actually made it through a month of 1902 today, the 1902 paper is pretty big, saw lots of familiar names, watch the personal and around sections and probate sections for lots of good stuff. I even found some neat old adds I could copy and frame. enjoyed the time spent on this paper. Hope the rest of you do too, Steve, I can,t believe you do not have yours as you ordered before I did and we are in the same state only a few hours apart, maybe it was out on loam. hope to hear you have yours soon, as you will enjoy reading it, did not finish lookups as had company until 10.30p.m. but will in the morning.so please be patience with me Abigail

It's amazing to me how these people traveled around. I go back east on a business trip and I'm exhausted - flying. --pam -----Original Message----- From: Jackie [SMTP:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 5:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CAAMADOR-L] Amador Dispatch on Amador website Hi fellow listers..(posting this to NORCAL too, so they can be watching the Amador County website). Steve had wrote & said, as he had a family & worked, etc., his input would be somewhat slow as to working on the newspaper project. . Well I'm retired so I have the advantage there but am on disability so that hampers me. And the reading of the film, writing it down in a notebook & then inputting that data into the computer is tedious, back & arm breaking. But, I am not complaining just stating a fact. My thoughts are: if I just happened on the Amador webpage looking for my ancestors that went west looking for gold or better lands or whatever reason, & found some of the information that will be posted there, I get goosebumps. The thrill to find where grandfather whoever had the best tomatoes in town or great-aunt whoever had 15 children & find all their names listed. Some of these articles are bare mininum but others are a wealth of information, what a treat there will be for some descendant. Art is providing a fantastic medium for us to share our history & the history of our Amador County pioneers. And, of course it took Steve to motivate us. Below are two articles that I would hope someday to find something similiar written up on my ancestors. August 4 1899 (In this one her name is listed as Caroline Gibbert, in the next it's Christina Gibbert, so that's the way it will be input) This one says she died at home 6 miles west of Jackson on the Ione Road of Bright's Disease. Left 2 sons & her husband died 4 years ago. August 18, 1899 This one gives her place of birth as Busum Germany August 13 1832. Left Germany April 29 1851 on a sailing vessel with two brothers & one sister, arriving in New York July 16 1851. She was a dressmaker in NY for 3 years. Got married there April 1854. July 1855 sold out her business & she & Mr. Gibbert sailed for California arriving in San Francisco September 5 1855. They arrived in Jackson, Amador County, September 1855 where they were in the hotel business until January 1858. They then moved to Sutter Creek where Mr. G. ran a saloon. Mr. G. died May 20 1895. Mrs. G.'s maiden name was Christina M. Brand. Leaves 2 sons, William & Charles. There are discrepancies as to the name, these obituaries are the words of ordinary people so there can be mistakes but there's a whole bunch of clues there for someone to track down. They came by ship & not wagon train, tells what trade they were in, what year they both died. It's more than just knowing your ancestor came to Amador County period. So hang in there & the Amador website will be bulging with tidbits. Jackie in Jackson