Carla, The word is . . . any way you can get the job done. Just like Rome, the Dispatch database wasn't built in a day. Right Jackie? Right Abbie? I've had my roll for some 5 weeks now, and have't had time to do a full year yet. Of course, I have a full-time job too, so it's tough to get to every day. Transcription? What's that? Just kidding. I do mine by hand . . . on an 8-1/2" X 11" notepad. Yes, I do make copies of some articles that seem to long to sit and hand-copy. I mean it's worth the 10 cents to me not to have to copy the whole article. The database does not require that you include a whole article. I just know that there are eager eyes out there on our Mailing List that want to read what my eyes see. Hmmmmmm. Laptop? What's that? Remember, I have 8 children, 5 boys & 3 girls. No funds for laptops or copying each page. You can usually skip the front page. My guess is that the newspaper company may bought this stuff from some central press operation. It's just a bunch of stuff that probably showed up in every small town newspaper in the country. There are a solid 2 pages of ads that are basically the same stuff in every issue. Another page of legal announcements including deeds, court solicitations, etc. & other things that don't look like ads but are. Quite a few articles on a page that come from other surrounding newspapers . . . Stockton, Modesto, etc. Always look for the small articles . . . births, deaths & marriages . . . at the bottom of the 2nd or 3rd page. You can't miss them. There is usually only one page of local news, and usually only 2-3 really interesting articles, if that. They focus on robberies & other crimes. Sometimes, they are committed by transients, but most often local losers. Did you see that article about the couple shooting at the guy from the front windows of their house? Must have been quite a lot of excitement in town that day. Those 2 must have gotten hold of some bad booze or something. They were locals indeed. And, we get to see how new inventions and scam artists hit the town. Bank, store and stage robberies. All kinds of lifestyle photography through the eyes of a contemporary writer. I'll send you the database entry instructions in my next message. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Carla Cushman <[email protected]> To: Steve Illum <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, July 24, 1999 7:02 AM Subject: Re: Amador Ledger-Dispatch >Steve, > >I do believe I forgot to tell you that on Tuesday, July 20, I ordered the microfilm of the >1868-Sep 1871 Amador Ledger-Dispatch, as you requested. The librarian wasn't sure how long it >would take to arrive, but I shall check with her weekly. > >How do you perform your transcription? Do you use a laptop computer? Do you transcribe it word >for word in longhand? In shorthand? Or do you shell out 10 cents a page to print the entire >roll? (The latter is *not* an option for me.) > >Regards, > >Carla > > >Steve Illum wrote: >> >> Welllll, now I am in TROUBLE! I've tossed the address, phone & fax for the >> source! There are solutions to these problems. >> >> In any case, please take the assignment of reading the microfilm for the >> years 1868-Sept. 1871. It's the Amador Ledger-Dispatch, availbale through >> the California History Room, California State Library, 900 N Street, >> Sacramento. The area code for phone is (916), but I don't have the phone >> number anymore. Darn! >> >> Now, how do you get it? Go to your local public library and ask them to get >> you the film through Interlibrary Loan. They will contact the California >> State Library. They know how to do all that. You'll have to have a reader >> either in your library, or somewhere else nearby. >> >> It may take 4-6 weeks to arrive, and you may only be able to keep the film >> for 3 weeks. However, it may be possible to extend your loan. This may >> cost you $3-5 up front, and may end up costing you $10 total . . . by the >> time you add extensions. It's pretty easy work, but I get stressed after >> about 2 hours reading the film, so can't keep it up. Then, because I work >> full-time, I have a hard time getting back to it. My worst flaw is that I >> enjoy reading it so much. It tends to slow me down. >> >> I'll send you another message with instructions on data entry on our >> website. >> >> Sooooooooooooo, welcome aboard! >> >> Steve >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carla Cushman <[email protected]> >> To: Steve Illum <[email protected]> >> Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 2:01 PM >> Subject: Re: [CAAMADOR-L] AD 4/14: John W Forbes >> >> >Steve, >> > >> >Yes, I'd love to! Can I do it from Ohio? >> > >> >Carla >> > >> >Steve Illum wrote: >> >> >> >> So Carla, would you like to help us out with the Dispatch project? It's >> not >> >> hard. Just takes a little time. >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> Project Coordinator >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Carla Cushman <[email protected]> >> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> >> Date: Saturday, July 17, 1999 10:36 AM >> >> Subject: [CAAMADOR-L] AD 4/14: John W Forbes >> >> >> >> >Hi. >> >> > >> >> >I want to thank you and the others who are going that extra mile to >> >> >provide such colorfol material from the Amador Dispatch of yore. I have >> >> >made numerous notes concerning people I believe could either descend or >> >> >ascend from many of my Amador County ancestors. >> >> > >> >> >A case in point: My John William Forbes did, indeed, marry a Mrs. Sara >> >> >Lee in Apr of 1905. You just listed their names as having appeared in >> >> >the 14 Apr 1905 edition: "John W. Forbes and Sarah A. Lee both of >> >> >Drytown." >> >> > >> >> >John William was a son of Christopher Columbus and Mary Jane (Bell) >> >> >Forbes, and a brother of my grandmother, Lily Bell (Forbes) Cushman. If >> >> >there is more to that article, I would love to have it. >> >> > >> >> >Many thanks for your splendid effort. >> >> > >> >> >Kind regards, >> >> > >> >> >Carla in Ohio >> >> >[email protected] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >==== CAAMADOR Mailing List ==== >> >> >Amador County, California CAGenWeb >> >> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~caamador/ >> >> > >> > >

Jean -- I can't give you the obit, but I can give you mortuary info if you are interested. Judy in Winnemucca [email protected] _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

Jean & Steve...I personally don't know that much about the National Hotel, other than when going through the main street of town, if you don't turn left, you'll run right up on the front steps! It origianlly was named the Louisana House & when the big fire in 1862 happened, the Louisana House burned down & when the hotel was newly constructed, it was named the National. And, Steve, there was a time when I had many an evenings entertainment in downtown Jackson, a few at the hotel, but thankfully those days are long past & my entertainment is much more tame these days....ferreting out newspaper articles to post on the Amador site. "Age" is supposed to mellow us out right? Jackie in California [email protected]

The name is: John VICINI d July 20, 1966, Amador County, Jackson, CA Does anyone know where the National Hotel was located? Thank you very much. Jean

Hi...was just notified of a site depicting many of the towns, resources & history of Amador County. Take a look at the site, wander around & read about the old towns & the mine's. I enjoyed it. http://www.amadornet.net/ Jackie in California [email protected]

Art, could not find your personal e-mail soooooo here i am on the list asking you did your John B. Michaelis marry one mary Ann meyer??????? Abigail

Hi All, How do I go about getting an obit lookup? Jean

Abbie...I've only gone through the 3 townships so far. The 667 James Scott I looked at several times but it was written as double name, no female name. Jackie in California [email protected] 1860 census Amador County SUTTER CREEK TWP4 136 A.S. Harding age: 38 sex: m occup:Gardener real estate:4000 personal: 2000 bp:New York Garmelia? Harding 37 f Ohio Julian C Harding 15 m Ohio David Moon 40 m 500 New York Annie? Duke 15 -------- 237/228 John Scott 47 m ---------------------------------------- 265/256 Samuel Scott 37 m Hotel Keeper 1000 1000 Ohio Mary Scott 24 f Penn. Samuel H Scott 6 m Ohio Walter Scott 4 m CA IONE CITY TWP 2 42/39 W.A. Scott 36 m Farmer VT 113/106 James N Scott 60 m Miller 1200 500 Penn Mary Scott 58 f Ohio James F Scott 14 m WI R R Scott 21 m Ohio 667/613 James Scott 31 m Laborer NY 57 James Scott 27 f 250 600 IL Thomas Scott 7 m CA Sylvester Scott 4 m CA Charles Scott 2 m CA DRYTOWN TWP 5 952/882 (Boarding House) George Scott 69 m Miner 300 VA 83 1080/1014 G.W. Scott 51 m Miner 4000 KY 97 VOLCANO TWP 3 1313/1247 L. S.? Scott 29 m Miner CT117 Eliza Scott 20 f Ohio

Looking for any information on my gggrandmothers father. His last name was SHORTELL. She was born Anna SHORTELL on May 22, 1868 in Sutter Creek. Her mother was from Ireland. Her father was from Canada. Anna married John SLEIGHT. He was from England, but living in Portland since 1887. They were married around 1901. She died in Portland, Oregon on December 4, 1910 at the age of 42. They didn't have any children. Thanks, Julie Hendrix

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BED4DE.AB4051E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: System Administrator <[email protected]> To: Illum, Steve <[email protected]> Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 6:36 AM Subject: Undeliverable: Fw: [CAAMADOR-L] Questions & News >Your message > > To: [email protected] > Subject: Fw: [CAAMADOR-L] Questions & News > Sent: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:39:13 -0500 > >did not reach the following recipient(s): > >[email protected] on Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:36:38 -0500 > The recipient name is not recognized > The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= >;p=SMSU.EDU;l=BLUE9907231236PL3MXHK2 > MSEXCH:IMS:SMSU.EDU:SPRINGFIELD:BLUE 3550 (000B099C) 550 ><[email protected]>... User unknown > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BED4DE.AB4051E0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Fw: [CAAMADOR-L] Questions & News Content-Type: message/rfc822 Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: Steve Illum <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Fw: [CAAMADOR-L] Questions & News Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:39:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message----- From: Steve Illum <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 7:20 PM Subject: [CAAMADOR-L] Questions & News We're almost there now. Just waiting on Llew. Thanks everyone! >It appears that we now have every possible base covered on the available >reels of the Dispatch: > >E-Mail Address >Radine Willis (Oct. 10, 1863-Oct. 1867) [email protected] >Carla Cushman (1868-Sept. 1871) [email protected] >Phyllis Welsh (1872-March 1875) [email protected] >Llew Jack (June 1878-1882) ? >Pam Hajny (1883-1887) [email protected] >Bonnie Mugford (1888-1892) [email protected] >Steve Illum (January 1893-Dec. 1897) [email protected] >Jackie Mosher (1898-1901) [email protected] >Abbie Yates (1902-1904) [email protected] >Donna Peck (1905-1906) [email protected] > >I've just never written down all the e-mail addresses, but have been lazy & >just used my reply key in most cases. So, please help us out by sending >your e-mail address so we can have this complete. I know, I know. > >If anyone else wants to volunteer, I'm sure we could use the help. Please >don't anyone else hesitate. > >Thanks. > >Steve > >p.s. Jackie, I got the stuff. Now where did this come from? Some of it >even cites me as a source. And, some of the data is incorrect . . . par for >the course when you have a kid like me submitting data 25 years ago. > > > >==== CAAMADOR Mailing List ==== >Amador County, California CAGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~caamador/ > ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01BED4DE.AB4051E0--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BED4DE.94987440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: System Administrator <[email protected]> To: Illum, Steve <[email protected]> Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 6:36 AM Subject: Undeliverable: Fw: [CAAMADOR-L] Questions & News >Your message > > To: [email protected] > Subject: Fw: [CAAMADOR-L] Questions & News > Sent: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:39:13 -0500 > >did not reach the following recipient(s): > >[email protected] on Fri, 23 Jul 1999 07:36:38 -0500 > The recipient name is not recognized > The MTS-ID of the original message is: c=US;a= >;p=SMSU.EDU;l=BLUE9907231236PL3MXHK2 > MSEXCH:IMS:SMSU.EDU:SPRINGFIELD:BLUE 3550 (000B099C) 550 ><[email protected]>... User unknown > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BED4DE.94987440 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Fw: [CAAMADOR-L] Questions & News Content-Type: message/rfc822 Message-ID: <[email protected]> From: Steve Illum <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Fw: [CAAMADOR-L] Questions & News Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 08:39:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -----Original Message----- From: Steve Illum <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 7:20 PM Subject: [CAAMADOR-L] Questions & News We're almost there now. Just waiting on Llew. Thanks everyone! >It appears that we now have every possible base covered on the available >reels of the Dispatch: > >E-Mail Address >Radine Willis (Oct. 10, 1863-Oct. 1867) [email protected] >Carla Cushman (1868-Sept. 1871) [email protected] >Phyllis Welsh (1872-March 1875) [email protected] >Llew Jack (June 1878-1882) ? >Pam Hajny (1883-1887) [email protected] >Bonnie Mugford (1888-1892) [email protected] >Steve Illum (January 1893-Dec. 1897) [email protected] >Jackie Mosher (1898-1901) [email protected] >Abbie Yates (1902-1904) [email protected] >Donna Peck (1905-1906) [email protected] > >I've just never written down all the e-mail addresses, but have been lazy & >just used my reply key in most cases. So, please help us out by sending >your e-mail address so we can have this complete. I know, I know. > >If anyone else wants to volunteer, I'm sure we could use the help. Please >don't anyone else hesitate. > >Thanks. > >Steve > >p.s. Jackie, I got the stuff. Now where did this come from? Some of it >even cites me as a source. And, some of the data is incorrect . . . par for >the course when you have a kid like me submitting data 25 years ago. > > > >==== CAAMADOR Mailing List ==== >Amador County, California CAGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~caamador/ > ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BED4DE.94987440--

Steve..(you have no idea how many ways I thought to do this, but decided sweet & simple). Jackie in California [email protected]

My E-Mail address is [email protected] Radine Willis

It appears that we now have every possible base covered on the available reels of the Dispatch: E-Mail Address Radine Willis (Oct. 10, 1863-Oct. 1867) ? Carla Cushman (1868-Sept. 1871) [email protected] Phyllis Welsh (1872-March 1875) [email protected] Llew Jack (June 1878-1882) ? Pam Hajny (1883-1887) [email protected] Bonnie Mugford (1888-1892) ? Steve Illum (January 1893-Dec. 1897) [email protected] Jackie Mosher (1898-1901) [email protected] ? Abbie Yates (1902-1904) ? Donna Peck (1905-1906) ? I've just never written down all the e-mail addresses, but have been lazy & just used my reply key in most cases. So, please help us out by sending your e-mail address so we can have this complete. I know, I know. If anyone else wants to volunteer, I'm sure we could use the help. Please don't anyone else hesitate. Thanks. Steve p.s. Jackie, I got the stuff. Now where did this come from? Some of it even cites me as a source. And, some of the data is incorrect . . . par for the course when you have a kid like me submitting data 25 years ago.

I just spent 3 hours at the library today. I read up to the middle of June 1905. Now all I have to do is try to deciper my writing and put the information on-line. I will try to do it this weekend. Donna] [email protected]

Thanks Carole for typing the whole article. Donna [email protected]

Jackie, This is the real benefit of what we're doing here, working together. I am very impressed with your research skill, but even more by your heart, and where it's at. Thanks for all you do for the rest of us. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Jackie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 12:05 AM Subject: [CAAMADOR-L] Amador Dispatch, etc. >Well Steve, seems you & Donna have hit a couple of us with some family >names. Well, maybe not me personally, but other listers. There were >Mugfords & Cottinghams that I saw go by. The Jelletich article you sent a >couple days ago was interesting & I'd just seen their picture at the library >last time I was there. And, the Mike Tovey obit you shared.....in case >anyone is interested, here's a tombstone inscription that goes along with >that. >In memory of Martin "Mike" Tovey -- Born in Perth, Canada, Feb. 4, 1842, >Died June 15, 1893. He was shot & instantly killed by a robber who >attempted to hold up the stage on which he was traveling as guard. Erected >as a tribute of respect by his employers, Wells Fargo & Co. >Jackie in California >[email protected] > > > > > > > >==== CAAMADOR Mailing List ==== >Amador County, California CAGenWeb >http://www.rootsweb.com/~caamador/ >

Gold in Drytown's future? Family-inspired quest for mine riles some in Amador By Peter Hecht Bee Staff Writer (Published July 21, 1999) DRYTOWN -- Somewhere near this tiny fleck on the highway map -- home to 79 people, one motel, a diner, a saloon and many legends of the Gold Rush -- cattle rancher Ronald Matulich chases a family dream born 150 years ago. Matulich, 60, is asking Amador County to allow him to mine the rural hills near Highway 49 using a controversial cyanide extraction method that he believes could glean up to a million ounces of gold from low-grade ore left behind by the forty-niners. His quest reflects the passion of his great-grandfather Antone Matulich, an Austrian tailor who jumped ship in San Francisco in 1849, sold provisions in the gold fields and later worked the mines around Drytown, which was once one of the most bustling encampments of the Mother Lode. He pursues his goal with the grit of his grandfather Savo Kosich, who was killed by a dynamite explosion in the Treasure Mine near Amador City. And he pitches his plans with the wistfulness of his father, Frederick Matulich, who worked Sutter Creek's Central Eureka Mine and -- after World War II closed the mines -- bought up scores of claims near Drytown, hoping that someday gold mining would flourish again. "One of the things that would have made my father happy was to see this mine operating," said Matulich, who is seeking a permit for a gold and slate mining operation on 500 acres about 11/2 miles from Drytown. "He talked about it all my life. It's a personal thing, for sure." Matulich's sense of family destiny excites some residents of the county, which lies 35 miles southeast of Sacramento, who believe a return to mining would bring jobs and restore lost glory to a region hit by a sawmill closure and other economic hardships. His proposal is also inspiring the county's second showdown over gold mining -- and perhaps its sense of self -- in two years. Among the most vocal opponents are fellow Gold Rush descendants, people who've arrived at decidedly different conclusions about the worthiness of mining. Nearly 150 years ago, Judy Bysshe's great-grandfather Duff Dimer Reaves, a mining engineer from Tennessee, came to Amador County, married schoolteacher Maggie Cable and bought the A & B Quartz Mine next to property now owned by Matulich. Reaves' son and grandson -- the latter John B. Reeves Jr., Bysshe's father -- both worked in the A & B mine. Last week, Bysshe and her son, Mark Cable Rains, whose family still owns an eight-acre property that includes four mine tunnels, two shafts and an open pit, appeared at a county Planning Commission meeting to argue against renewed mining. While she now lives in Ojai, Bysshe said her family hopes to build a retreat or summer home on their land and is opposed to a "huge, hot, noisy, dusty pit and piles of naked slag next door." Bysshe and her son, a doctoral candidate in hydro-geology at the University of California, Davis, say the area's lure now comes from its lush natural settings and charming towns, not mining. "Amazingly, 20 years back, we discovered gold in them hills," Bysshe said. "It was not in the ground, but in the pockets of the tourists and in the pockets of the retirees who come here." The debate over Matulich's plan is reminiscent of a showdown last year when Amador County supervisors approved a plan by the Sutter Gold Mining Co. to begin underground gold mining between Amador City and Sutter Creek and to make its Lincoln Mine into a regional tourist attraction. That project has been challenged in a lawsuit over environmental issues. A ruling is expected this summer. Matulich, who opened a slate mine on his property five years ago, seeks certification of an environmental impact report required to carry out plans to expand slate operations and add surface gold mining. He agreed to complete the EIR in settling a lawsuit filed against the project in 1995. His mining plan is drawing intense protests from environmentalists because -- unlike the Sutter Gold mine -- Matulich hopes to uses a cyanide leaching process he says is necessary to maximize gold extraction from low-grade ore. Opponents in the county and elsewhere say cyanide -- long an essential mining ingredient in many Western states -- can seep into rivers and streams, kill fish and wildlife and contaminate aquifers. The issue gained wide attention last year when residents of Montana voted to phase out the use of cyanide in mining operations. But David Sanders, a consultant hired by Matulich, said the project -- in remote hills carved long ago by legendary mines like the "California," the "Pocahontas" and the "Chili Jim" -- will have no negative environmental consequences. Sanders said new technologies have improved the safety of cyanide gold extraction. The project, he said, will have a "redundant" safety net, including extensive water monitoring, heavy-duty storage tanks, gravel, plastic and clay-lined leach pads and emergency drainage ponds that can catch and treat chemical seepage. "What we're trying to do is pick up the gold that was never mined here," said Sanders, who said the operation could produce 136 jobs. "Not a single mine in the Mother Lode ever ran out." On a remote bend of Highway 49, where motorists may barely glimpse tiny Drytown, Chuck Kaffer says there may be no better place for gold's comeback. "I'm all for it," said Kaffer, the 80-year-old owner of the Old Well Hotel and Grill. He delights in legends of the town, which boomed to 10,000 people and 26 saloons in the early 1850s after gold was found in nearby Dry Creek. Kaffer's favorite is the tale of the $80,000 in gold bullion that bandits purportedly stashed beneath the old Drytown Hotel. With a twinkle in his eye, Kaffer says that if the story's true, the treasure would lie somewhere beneath his motel swimming pool. "This is mining country," he said. "California was made because of the mines here." But Linda Lacey, whose family still owns the 1857 Drytown house of her great-grandfather EleazerLeMoine,is troubled by a return to mining. Lacey and other family members have lovingly preserved the red brick home of the U.S. soldier who came to California during the Mexican War, then returned to search for gold and work on the railroad. Lacey and her husband, Laurence, have another home near Dry Creek and fear a mining resumption could contaminate a swimming hole used by their children and grandchildren. "Yeah, this was a mining area," she said. "But things are changing. Maybe people just want this area as a place to live -- and not worry about dust and noise and cyanide." So Lacey, whose great-grandfather is buried in the pioneer Drytown public cemetery, showed up at the Planning Commission meeting to oppose gold mining. Before the same session, Matulich led a visitor to the old Drytown Catholic Cemetery on the opposite side of town, where a tall granite headstone marks the grave of his great-grandfather Antone Matulich. The Amador Planning Commission didn't vote on the merits of Matulich's project. But the panel responded to opponents' complaints and -- in a procedural action -- directed Matulich and Sanders to rework preliminary environmental documents before returning to seek approval. Matulich dismissed protests of the project as "Chicken Little, the sky is falling" and vowed -- with the determination of his mining forebears -- that he'll soon be digging for gold. "I'm just going to keep at it," he said, "until we get it." [email protected] wrote: > There is an interesting and rather lengthy article in today's Sacramento Bee > regarding mining in present day Drytown using updated, but controversial > cyanide extraction. > The article lists several miners from 150 years ago. One was Antone Matulich, > his great grandson wants to do the mining. > If anyone is interested I can send you the article or send it to someone with > a scanner (such as Art) and put it on-line. > Let me know. > Donna > [email protected] > > ==== CAAMADOR Mailing List ==== > Amador County, California CAGenWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caamador/

He has money in his eyes, not family tradition! The story is the same here too, job opportunities is used the most. He will reap a lot from the cynide leaching. There will be a huge leach pad. An open pit, which by the way they do not fill in when the job is done. Then there is the waste rock dump. I suggest that the people who are in favor of this type of mining do their homework. He might have gold under his pool, but how many $$ signs are twinkling in his eyes! Jean

Well Steve, seems you & Donna have hit a couple of us with some family names. Well, maybe not me personally, but other listers. There were Mugfords & Cottinghams that I saw go by. The Jelletich article you sent a couple days ago was interesting & I'd just seen their picture at the library last time I was there. And, the Mike Tovey obit you shared.....in case anyone is interested, here's a tombstone inscription that goes along with that. In memory of Martin "Mike" Tovey -- Born in Perth, Canada, Feb. 4, 1842, Died June 15, 1893. He was shot & instantly killed by a robber who attempted to hold up the stage on which he was traveling as guard. Erected as a tribute of respect by his employers, Wells Fargo & Co. Jackie in California [email protected]