>If you had all the other information wouldn't they >tell you the grave location for free if you were planning on >visiting the >area and wanted to look at the grave? Colleen. Yes, if you have the date of death, you can obtain the grave site info without a fee. Actually all you need is the name and year of death. Susan (Pleasant Hill)

Sounds like the only new information that isn't contained on the California death certificate is the grave location and maybe who made the arrangements but that is probably the undertaker's representative. Cost of a death certificate is $8.00. If you had all the other information wouldn't they tell you the grave location for free if you were planning on visiting the area and wanted to look at the grave? Colleen -----Original Message----- From: Susan L. Clark <ancestor@jps.net> To: CAALAMED-L@rootsweb.com <CAALAMED-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 9:52 PM Subject: [CAALAMED-L]Re: Cemetery lists >>Are there lists of burials in Alameda Co. Cemeteries, such as Mountain >View, >>available? > >Mount View Cemetery will do look-ups for a fee of $15.00 for the first three >names. You must provide the year of death as their records are kept by year >and not names. The information they will provide is: Name of Deceased, >Birthdate or age at death, Death Date, Burial Date, Place of Birth, Place of >Death, Location of grave, Undertaker, and Arrangement made by. > >Susan (Pleasant Hill, Ca) > >______________________________

On my first visit to Mountain View Cemetery, I was struck by the beauty of the flowers and how well the grounds were kept as well as by the history and size of such a magnificent resting place. I was in search of George Washington Swope Hull, who had founded Hulltown in Texas in the year 1884. The office showed me on a map where he was located and explained that this area was the unendowed section. That families of the dearly departed buried there, wanted to tend to their loved ones graves themselves. Off I went, full of excitement. When I reached the correct section, my mouth fell open and I could not believe my eyes. I got out of my car with camera in hand and very carefully walked throughout the area as best I could. What I saw was an area very overgrown with weeds, poison oak, and fallen trees. There were headstones knocked over and broken, headstones buried, and headstones that had been picked up and thrown. I could see where there had once been walkways throughout but they were now covered with weeds and dirt. I could not locate Mr. Hull's grave. I have since been back there many times and have questioned the staff regarding this disgrace. Each time I have been told that they intend to clean it up soon. I have since found out from my last visit that there are no immediate plans to correct the situation. While I understand that the families were to keep up the grave site, it is apparent no one considered that the family members would at some point, pass on themselves. I might add that the unendowed section runs across the north end and extending northeast and northwest. When you go on your tour, I hope you will take a good look at this and ask "What will it take to clean this up and restore the resting place for those buried here?". Susan (Pleasant Hill, Ca) ancestor@jps.net

>Are there lists of burials in Alameda Co. Cemeteries, such as Mountain View, >available? Mount View Cemetery will do look-ups for a fee of $15.00 for the first three names. You must provide the year of death as their records are kept by year and not names. The information they will provide is: Name of Deceased, Birthdate or age at death, Death Date, Burial Date, Place of Birth, Place of Death, Location of grave, Undertaker, and Arrangement made by. Susan (Pleasant Hill, Ca)

At 4:21 PM -0700 7/8/99, ECPOWL@aol.com wrote: >Are there lists of burials in Alameda Co. Cemeteries, such as Mountain View, >available? The first place to look is Mountain View Cemetery itself. I don't know their current policy on record information (I think I read that there is now a charge for the research), but there is contact info on the Alameda County GenWeb page under "cemeteries" --Laurel Alameda County, California GenWeb Page http://www.katpher.com/alamecty/alamecty.htm

Charlotte, The office at Mountain View cemetery does have burial records at least as far back as 1908, the year that I was interested in. The book "Oakland, the Story of a City" gives the name of the first person interred in July, 1865 when the cemetery opened so records probably go back to that date. There were two prior locations for the Oakland cemetery prior to 1865 and the bodies were supposed to have been moved each time the cemetery was relocated. The book reports that all the bodies were not moved and were later uncovered when excavations took place for commercial buildings creating a scandal at the time. So records for interments prior to 1865 may or may not exist. Ralph Anderson Boulder, CO rkaboulder@bwn.net

The Oakland Heritage Alliance, will have their annual tour of Mountain View Cemetery. This Sunday July 11, 1999, starting at 10 am, from 4999 Piedmont Ave. Oakland, CA., which is the Chapel of the Chimes. The cost is $7.00 for the public. Please note parts of this cemetery is hilly. George Mallman --------------------********************************------------------------- "May God defend me from my friends: I can defend myself from my enemies" Voltaire Looking for Rushton's> England, Mallman's >NJ,NY,Johnson's,>NJ,NY MacKay's > NJ,NY., Kempton>NJ,NY and Wright's >England, Canada, US and Berkeley starting 1878 sancristina@pipeline.com

Are there lists of burials in Alameda Co. Cemeteries, such as Mountain View, available? I am lookin for the burial of Lilly Culver, b. 1868 in Oregon, the family moved to San Francisco and then in the late 1870's to Alameda. Lilly is missing from the 1880 Census. The only known picture of her, about 1875, shows a rather wan, sickly child, apparently she d. before 1880. I have been unable to find a death record or place of burial. Charlotte C. Powell .. ECPOWL@aol.com

When my cousin, Carnell Baker Thomas, died in 1969, she was survived by her husband, Samuel A. Thomas, dau, Clara Lee Johnson, and sons, Donald and Raymond Thomas. At the time of her death, she lived at: 5531 East 15th. St. in Oakland, CA. Would appreciate anyone knowing the where abouts of any family member to please contact me or them, so that we can correspond. Thanks. Bill B.

IN MEMORIAM Mary E. Snell " Blessing she was; God made her so And deeds of week day holiness Fell from her noiseless as the snow, Nor had she ever chanced to know That aught were easier than to bless." To no one could these lines of Lowell's be better applied than to Mary Snell, who passing to the invisible abode, has left a mournful vacancy in the Snell household and seminary, of which she was the head. Force and gentleness were so completely blended in her character that right conditions and states of feeling seemed to grow up around her, as nature responds to the silent forces of the sun. With a subtle alchemy of spirit she unlocked the heart's hidden places and all that was best in others came forth at her touch--a perpetual resurrection of life took place at her call. The negative side of existence she seemed to shun; to think and speak only of what was beautiful, noble, forceful, pleasing. No complaints, no weak surrenders to externals. A gentle and trenchant humor was hers and through life, and gleamed again and yet again when the dear heart-beats had grown faint. Her Aegis of protecting kindness was extended to all within her radius and her interest and good will followed them afar and through life, yet even a veil of fine reserve fell about her and few were admitted to her intimate friendship. Her spirit's outflow of tenderness made her tactful in a superlative degree and she knew well to let time wait upon discretion. Like a flower, like a zephyr, she touched other souls with balm. Her great beauty seemed but the natural outgrowth of her goodness and of it she herself was all unconscious. Miss Snell had exquisite taste in literature and was a great lover of the best. Extrememly modest and retiring, she was nevertheless a scholar of many acqurements. She had made always a special study of Greek and Latin, and the latter she faithfully taught in the Seminary till her strength failed her. She is deeply enshrined in many loving hearts and will be remembered by all as a noble example of most gracious womanhood. H.L.L. ============================================================ My Grandmother Edith Mote SMITH, graduated from Snell Seminary, Friday evening May 21, 1909. I am researching: SMITH, WALLACE, ROBINSON from this family line. http://pages.prodigy.net/jhubb22/page39.htm Jean HEHN Colorado

We have been searching for this rather elusive relative for years. Latest information has brought us to Almeda county. Harman/Herman Helman 1847: Ashland Co.,OH - Hermon Helman m. Mary Brinkhard 29 Jul 1847 1852: Census - Ashland, Ohio with wife and daughter, Irene A. 1862: August - Wife dies "In California", leaving husband and three children 1867: Irene marries in Lander Co., Nevada to D.C. McKenney 1871: Herman A. Helman marries in Lander Co.,Nevada to Kate BIMKARD. Probable relative, but not proven. 1899: Harman visits brother Abel in Ashland Oregon. Harman is enroute to Oakland CA with his daughter Mrs. McKenney. This information from the Ashland Tidings newspaper in Ashland, OR. The brothers had not seen each other for 50 years. 1904: In brother Abel's biography it says "Harmon, came to the Pacific coast with the gold seekers in 1849 and died in California" 1909: In brother Jacob's biography it says "Herman, died in California" Near as we can figure, Herman/Harman died in California between 1899 and 1904. If anyone has obituary indexes, death indexes, cemetery indexes etc... they could check for Harman, we would greatly appreciate a look up. Thanks! Robin Helman http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~helman/

Thanks for this article. Next time I go down to the cemetery I will have to have a better look around.. My great grandmother, one of her sons and his children are buried there. The Keating Plot. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: Norby Family <norby@ainet.com> To: CAALAMED-L@rootsweb.com <CAALAMED-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 6:18 PM Subject: [CAALAMED-L] Mt. View Cemetery in Oakland designed by Frederick Olmstead Digging Up the Dirt on Olmsted Famous landscape designer left his mark in California Sam Whiting, Chronicle Staff Writer Tuesday, July 6, 1999 ©1999 San Francisco Chronicle URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/07/06 /DD90268.DTL&type=books Any student of urban landscape knows that Frederick Law Olmsted designed Central Park. What is largely unknown is that his first project after that, and his first solo design of any kind, was Mountain View Cemetery in Oakland. What is also little known is that this historic graveyard, started in 1864, was his only major solo project in California. This may come as a surprise to those who think Olmsted designed Golden Gate Park. He didn't, but among those who believe he did are the managers of Mountain View Cemetery, whose brochure reads: ``Designed by Frederick Law Olmsted, architect of New York's Central Park and San Francisco's Golden Gate Park.'' This error amuses Witold Rybczynski, urban scholar and author of ``A Clearing in the Distance: Frederick Law Olmsted and America in the Nineteenth Century'' ($28; Scribner). Olmsted is full of surprises, and one more is the buzz on this biography. Although it has no sex, scandal or murder, it has been given enough of a ride to bring Rybczynski (pronounced ``Rib-TEN-ski'') out west on a book tour from the University of Pennsylvania, where he is a professor of urbanism. Within a few hours of arriving in San Francisco, he was driving east over the Bay Bridge, headed for his new favorite place -- Mountain View Cemetery at the end of Piedmont Avenue in Oakland. ``Usually somebody's first project disappears, or it's hopelessly compromised, or they don't do it,'' he says. ``Just the fact that (Olmsted) was here 140 years ago and did this, and they actually built this and it's still here, is what's impressive.'' Arriving on the first truly hot day of summer, he puts on a hat to protect against the sun and goes blazing right up the grand boulevard that bisects the cemetery and evokes the mall in Central Park. Atop the hills, with views of the Oakland and San Francisco skyline, Rybczynski is invigorated, as if he were not in a graveyard but in one of Olmsted's inspiring urban parks. In a sense, he is: Mountain View Cemetery is 220 acres open to the public. ``Most cemeteries are composed of all the private plots,'' Rybczynski says. ``What (Olmsted) added to that was the notion that even though these are private places, they should have this communal aspect. That everybody belongs to society, even though they are dead.'' The society at Mountain View consists of San Francisco's best from the 19th century -- Ghirardelli, Folger, Stanford. Opened in July 1865, Mountain View was the premier destination cemetery. Rich people back then knew how to do a burial. One hilltop is ``Millionaire's Row,'' an avenue of mausoleums and crypts, with Robber Baron Charles Crocker buried at the tip- top. Also among Mountain View's permanent residents are Henry Durant, first president of the University of California, and Anthony Chabot, inventor of hydraulic mining. Olmsted, who died in 1903 at age 81, would fit right in. He first came west as a gold mine manager. Later, he drew a plan for the College of California, a private school in Berkeley that never got going, eventually being folded into the university. To go along with his artistic side, also buried at Mountain View are author Frank Norris and architects Bernard Maybeck and Julia Morgan. Olmsted would have been pleased with this company if he hadn't been buried in the family tomb in Hartford, Conn. Before he started researching Olmsted, Rybczynski had no idea what or where Mountain View Cemetery was, and he had no idea who Olmsted was before researching his previous book, ``City Life.'' ``In writing that book, I was really struck by the fact that he was one of the few city planners who'd done these big projects, which really succeeded in the long term,'' he says. That intrigued Rybczynski, who spent a year reading everything written about Olmsted. A man who earned that much print obviously was much more than a landscape architect (a term that had been invented for him). Before he got around to landscape architecture, Olmsted had been a teenage sailor on a merchant ship to the Far East. He'd become a farmer and farm writer, which led him to the South to dispatch to the New York Times 46 articles on slavery. When the Civil War broke out, he ran a flotilla of hospital ships to serve wounded Union soldiers. He also found time to co-found the Nation magazine. ``What makes this story accessible is, he did these incredible things, but he wasn't this kind of boy genius,'' Rybczynski says. ``He was in his 40s before he really decided to be a landscape gardener. People can relate to that. He's a very human sort of genius.'' The book is 480 pages, and not until halfway through does it get to landscape design. Not least of Olmsted's unusual accomplishments was marrying his brother's widow, taking on their three kids and fathering two more. With all these dependents he was weak enough to succumb to gold fever -- unfortunately, about 15 years too late, arriving in San Francisco in late 1863. He was hired to manage the Mariposa Co. in Bear Valley. That venture didn't pan out, but it got him west at the right time: In the same month, he was hired by Mountain View and appointed to the Yosemite Commission to survey the Yosemite Valley and Mariposa Big Tree Grove -- what would later become Yosemite National Park. It was his vision to make the whole park accessible by the roads that connect the park, end to end. ``He thought people should experience the whole place,'' Rybczynski says. ``That was an original notion.'' He also predicted that in 100 years, a million people a year would visit Yosemite. By 1954, this was true, his prediction off by just 10 years. In 1865, the mayor of San Francisco hired him to design San Francisco Public Grounds near the present location of Golden Gate Park. Olmsted wanted to run a sunken boulevard, similar to the roads through Central Park, that would connect the park to Fisherman's Wharf, Rybczynski says. Olmsted worked on the project for two years, and all that remains of his work is the root of the rumor that Olmsted designed Golden Gate Park. He returned east and came back 20 years later, when railroad man and U.S. Sen. Leland Stanford decided to build a university as a monument to his dead son. Olmsted was paid $10,000 to draw a preliminary plan, which advocated an agrarian campus, spread into the foothills. That didn't suit Stanford or his wife, who wanted a formal campus in the eastern style, set in the flats. ``They wanted Olmsted because he was a famous planner,'' Rybczynski says. ``They didn't really want his ideas.'' Olmsted withdrew from the project and was not invited to the opening ceremony for Stanford University in 1891. But some of his ideas prevailed. The main quadrangle, paved in the middle, is an Olmsted design. A new science and engineering quad is now being built in an Olmsted aesthetic. By the turn of the century Olmsted was back east for good. But by another century's turn, his light hand on the landscape remains. ``The projects are still there,'' Rybczynski says. ``They're still being used more or less the way he intended.'' ©1999 San Francisco Chronicle Page C1 ==== CAALAMED Mailing List ==== Alameda County, California CAGenWeb http://www.katpher.com/alamecty/alamecty.htm

Digging Up the Dirt on Olmsted Famous landscape designer left his mark in California Sam Whiting, Chronicle Staff Writer Tuesday, July 6, 1999 ©1999 San Francisco Chronicle URL: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1999/07/06 /DD90268.DTL&type=books Any student of urban landscape knows that Frederick Law Olmsted designed Central Park. What is largely unknown is that his first project after that, and his first solo design of any kind, was Mountain View Cemetery in Oakland. What is also little known is that this historic graveyard, started in 1864, was his only major solo project in California. This may come as a surprise to those who think Olmsted designed Golden Gate Park. He didn't, but among those who believe he did are the managers of Mountain View Cemetery, whose brochure reads: ``Designed by Frederick Law Olmsted, architect of New York's Central Park and San Francisco's Golden Gate Park.'' This error amuses Witold Rybczynski, urban scholar and author of ``A Clearing in the Distance: Frederick Law Olmsted and America in the Nineteenth Century'' ($28; Scribner). Olmsted is full of surprises, and one more is the buzz on this biography. Although it has no sex, scandal or murder, it has been given enough of a ride to bring Rybczynski (pronounced ``Rib-TEN-ski'') out west on a book tour from the University of Pennsylvania, where he is a professor of urbanism. Within a few hours of arriving in San Francisco, he was driving east over the Bay Bridge, headed for his new favorite place -- Mountain View Cemetery at the end of Piedmont Avenue in Oakland. ``Usually somebody's first project disappears, or it's hopelessly compromised, or they don't do it,'' he says. ``Just the fact that (Olmsted) was here 140 years ago and did this, and they actually built this and it's still here, is what's impressive.'' Arriving on the first truly hot day of summer, he puts on a hat to protect against the sun and goes blazing right up the grand boulevard that bisects the cemetery and evokes the mall in Central Park. Atop the hills, with views of the Oakland and San Francisco skyline, Rybczynski is invigorated, as if he were not in a graveyard but in one of Olmsted's inspiring urban parks. In a sense, he is: Mountain View Cemetery is 220 acres open to the public. ``Most cemeteries are composed of all the private plots,'' Rybczynski says. ``What (Olmsted) added to that was the notion that even though these are private places, they should have this communal aspect. That everybody belongs to society, even though they are dead.'' The society at Mountain View consists of San Francisco's best from the 19th century -- Ghirardelli, Folger, Stanford. Opened in July 1865, Mountain View was the premier destination cemetery. Rich people back then knew how to do a burial. One hilltop is ``Millionaire's Row,'' an avenue of mausoleums and crypts, with Robber Baron Charles Crocker buried at the tip- top. Also among Mountain View's permanent residents are Henry Durant, first president of the University of California, and Anthony Chabot, inventor of hydraulic mining. Olmsted, who died in 1903 at age 81, would fit right in. He first came west as a gold mine manager. Later, he drew a plan for the College of California, a private school in Berkeley that never got going, eventually being folded into the university. To go along with his artistic side, also buried at Mountain View are author Frank Norris and architects Bernard Maybeck and Julia Morgan. Olmsted would have been pleased with this company if he hadn't been buried in the family tomb in Hartford, Conn. Before he started researching Olmsted, Rybczynski had no idea what or where Mountain View Cemetery was, and he had no idea who Olmsted was before researching his previous book, ``City Life.'' ``In writing that book, I was really struck by the fact that he was one of the few city planners who'd done these big projects, which really succeeded in the long term,'' he says. That intrigued Rybczynski, who spent a year reading everything written about Olmsted. A man who earned that much print obviously was much more than a landscape architect (a term that had been invented for him). Before he got around to landscape architecture, Olmsted had been a teenage sailor on a merchant ship to the Far East. He'd become a farmer and farm writer, which led him to the South to dispatch to the New York Times 46 articles on slavery. When the Civil War broke out, he ran a flotilla of hospital ships to serve wounded Union soldiers. He also found time to co-found the Nation magazine. ``What makes this story accessible is, he did these incredible things, but he wasn't this kind of boy genius,'' Rybczynski says. ``He was in his 40s before he really decided to be a landscape gardener. People can relate to that. He's a very human sort of genius.'' The book is 480 pages, and not until halfway through does it get to landscape design. Not least of Olmsted's unusual accomplishments was marrying his brother's widow, taking on their three kids and fathering two more. With all these dependents he was weak enough to succumb to gold fever -- unfortunately, about 15 years too late, arriving in San Francisco in late 1863. He was hired to manage the Mariposa Co. in Bear Valley. That venture didn't pan out, but it got him west at the right time: In the same month, he was hired by Mountain View and appointed to the Yosemite Commission to survey the Yosemite Valley and Mariposa Big Tree Grove -- what would later become Yosemite National Park. It was his vision to make the whole park accessible by the roads that connect the park, end to end. ``He thought people should experience the whole place,'' Rybczynski says. ``That was an original notion.'' He also predicted that in 100 years, a million people a year would visit Yosemite. By 1954, this was true, his prediction off by just 10 years. In 1865, the mayor of San Francisco hired him to design San Francisco Public Grounds near the present location of Golden Gate Park. Olmsted wanted to run a sunken boulevard, similar to the roads through Central Park, that would connect the park to Fisherman's Wharf, Rybczynski says. Olmsted worked on the project for two years, and all that remains of his work is the root of the rumor that Olmsted designed Golden Gate Park. He returned east and came back 20 years later, when railroad man and U.S. Sen. Leland Stanford decided to build a university as a monument to his dead son. Olmsted was paid $10,000 to draw a preliminary plan, which advocated an agrarian campus, spread into the foothills. That didn't suit Stanford or his wife, who wanted a formal campus in the eastern style, set in the flats. ``They wanted Olmsted because he was a famous planner,'' Rybczynski says. ``They didn't really want his ideas.'' Olmsted withdrew from the project and was not invited to the opening ceremony for Stanford University in 1891. But some of his ideas prevailed. The main quadrangle, paved in the middle, is an Olmsted design. A new science and engineering quad is now being built in an Olmsted aesthetic. By the turn of the century Olmsted was back east for good. But by another century's turn, his light hand on the landscape remains. ``The projects are still there,'' Rybczynski says. ``They're still being used more or less the way he intended.'' ©1999 San Francisco Chronicle Page C1

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Hey, folks. I just received a film through LDS, #1000102, which contains the following items: 1. Alameda Co. Great Registers, 1900 = voter registers by precinct for the county 2. Baker, Joseph Eugene. "Past and Present of Alameda County, California", 1914; two volumes, no index; second volume is all biographical sketches. 3. Merritt, Frank Clinton. "History of Alameda County, California", 1928; includes index and many biographies. I have this film until the end of July, I think. I'm not sure how feasible it is to do look-ups in the first item, unless people know the precinct number (possibly from census listings?) where their folks lived. Also, since it's 1900, it's not likely to provide any additional info to what is already available in the US census. Anyone who would like me to check for a biography, please send an email to me by Sunday, July 18th, with the following subject line: ALAMEDA CO LOOK-UP REQUEST. [I'm on lots of lists, so this will insure I don't delete your request.] Please provide as much info as possible...such as an indication of specifically WHEN you think your ancestor lived in Alameda Co. and WHAT they were doing there. I will make ONE scan through the two histories for biographies for folks, hopefully the week of July 20th. Our Family History Center has sharply reduced summer hours, so the times I can get over there are pretty limited. Depending on the number of requests, it could take me several sessions to get through both volumes. Hope this offer helps someone and that others will follow suit. Ginny in Seattle _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

Just visted the new free databases on line at Ancestry.com - here's a couple that might be of interest American Civil War Research Database Posted on 6/27/99 http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/cwrd/cwrd_index.htm Did a search for my gggf Walter B. Welton but did not put in anything other than his name. I know he is listed in the Orton book (Records of California Men in the War of The Rebellion 1981-1867) and I have his military records - he appears with his CA Cavalary unit (also found another man by the same name out of Mass) on this database with quite a bit of information Also of interest to CA Shasta County, California Register, 1898 Posted on 6/21/99 http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3819.htm Los Angeles Daily News, Obituaries, 1990-1999 Posted on 6/29/99 http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3440.htm California Narratives: John Bidwell Posted on 6/30/99 http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3849.htm Happy hunting. Colleen

Hi Jan, Oakland is in Alameda county. CAALAMED-L-request@rootsweb.com Send a message with only the word subscribe to the address above. You have to subscribe to post to the list. Sounds like you need someone to look at city directories for Oakland. There are some in book form on the fifth floor of the SF public library. Maybe someone from this list could volunteer to look for you. I'm sure that they are available in Oakland also. I posted this response to the Alameda list also so maybe someone will volunteer to help you from that list also. Learn all about resources available for California research at these two sites: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/toc.shtml http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html visit this website: http://www.compuology.com/cagenweb/ to find all the county websites in CA - I would suggest you visit the Alameda website to see what's available on line Help with Lookups - obituaries, city directory information etc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnraogk/californ.htm http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/6995/ http://members.aol.com/sjhcamp/index.html Colleen Norby Rootsweb sponsor ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸, ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø -----Original Message----- From: Johansen Jan E <JEJ@danfoss.dk> To: CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com <CASANFRA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 11:11 PM Subject: [CASANFRA-L] Searching for Hans/John Hansen >Hej >I am new to this list so I don't know if this is the proper list for >searching someone in Oakland. >If not could you please tell me what list to join. >I am trying to find relatives to children of Hans Hansen. When he came to CA >he changed his name to John Hansen. >He left from Denmark about 1887 and lived in Hilside Ave. Oakland, CA in >1909. In 1909 he had a Child named Roy but I don't know the name of his >Wife. >Does anybody know about this man or Roy, Roy could be someones Grandfather >or Great Grandfather by now. > > >Jan E. Johansen >IT Operations Automation >* 7488 3677 >* f07713@danfoss.com > >______________________________

PAF Comes to Windows - You Can Download for Free Personal Ancestral File (PAF). One of the first genealogy software programs, it has remained a DOS program since its inception. Here is the press release announcing the release of PAF 4.0 for Windows. SALT LAKE CITY, UTAH - Beginning Monday morning June 28 -- just five weeks after the launch of its top-rated new Internet genealogy service -- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is offering free downloads of Personal Ancestral File® 4.0, a new Windows-based version of its popular genealogical management program for home computers. The new software program is available free of charge via the Internet at www.familysearch.org. PAF 4.0 does not provide genealogical data. Instead, the program helps users organize their family history records. It can produce, in automated or manual form, records for personal family histories or charts and logs to help users in their search for missing ancestors. It also includes new multimedia features and enhances the more popular features of PAF 3.0. System Requirements: -- Windows 95/98/NT version -- IBM compatible 486/66 processor (Pentium recommended) -- 16-32 MB memory -- 20MB hard disk space -- 256-color display adapter supporting 640x480 screen resolution (but optimized for 800x600) -- Internet access (if downloading from Internet) -- CD-ROM (not available until sometime in early 2000) Personal Ancestral File 4.0 will also be available on CD ROM for a nominal price in early 2000. Users will be able to purchase it from the Church's distribution centers worldwide. Copyright 1998 by SodaMail. All rights reserved. Rhonda R. McClure

Kathleen... Refer to my previous reply. My office is the Alameda County Courthouse. Will send you the information Monday night. Bob kdewey@sbcc.sbceo.k12.ca.us wrote: > Hi again listers, > I thought of an alternative to my problem. Is there > someone who could go to the county courthouse and get a death certificate > for me? I just learned today that I have to take a trip to Mill Valley > next week before the mail would get one to me. If I could get burial > information, I might have an opportunity to confirm the burial. I'd be > happy to pay costs. This would be a great help to me. > The deceased is: Alicia Hynes Schliep. She died in > Oakland on June 29, 1953. > Oh, I hope someone can do this. I do have a feeling of > urgency. I've been searching for this person for so long and am so > close. Thanks. > Kathleen Dewey > > ==== CAALAMED Mailing List ==== > Alameda County, California CAGenWeb > http://www.katpher.com/alamecty/alamecty.htm

Kathleen... Let me check the records at my office and get back to you Monday night. Our Lady's Home is still there, but the Funeral establishment is not listed anymore.Holy Cross maybe the one in Antioch, CA Bob kdewey@sbcc.sbceo.k12.ca.us wrote: > Hi, List > I have traced my family from 1850 to 1953 in Oakland and > I am stumped. The obit for Alicia Schliep (died June 29, 1953) says her > funeral Mass was at the Chapel of Our Lady's Home on 1900 34th Ave. in > Oakland and arrangements were through East Lawn Chapel Services and > interment was at Holy Cross Cemetery. Holy Cross Cemetery in Colma has > no such record. Is the funeral director still in Oakland? has it been > taken over by someone else? What is Our Lady's Home? Is it still there? > Any help is appreciated. Thank you. > Kathleen Dewey > > ==== CAALAMED Mailing List ==== > Alameda County, California CAGenWeb > http://www.katpher.com/alamecty/alamecty.htm