My Ancestor that I would like to have anyone who can help me with searching the CA-ONT-CEMETARIES for my Great Grandfather on the MUIR side the Maternal, Robert MUIR and Helen Catherine Muir(not positive about the Great-grandmothers name. They were listed in the various records as living in Wiarton, Ontario, Canada. Thank you in advance. sincerely, Mary Alice CRUMP/MUIR/Christiansen

Think the little girl caught on long before the Father did. Was mentioning this to my Daughter, she tells me the school that my Grandchildren attend does not do the Cenotaph visit on the 11th. Are all the schools like this now. Must be getting old. Not only did we do the cenotaph, for those who could not go, there was a special assembly, and ALL students were given Poppies. We even had the Naval Band come in. Never heard a trumpet played quite like that, it was awesome. Ellen --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.789 / Virus Database: 534 - Release Date: 11/7/2004

Am passing this on “third party” but the President of our Genealogical Group recently went through question of ownership re; his Grt. Grandfathers plot. The lawyer told him that ownership follows the heir to the estate down the line. I would like to know which cemetery in Simcoe is selling the stones and do they have to advertise publicly before doing so. Ellen --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004

Reply to Bruce: { please do not take my reply personal} In connection with a new stone replacing an old stone... If the stone is a hundred years old and there are now numerous "family" only a phone call away... then who owns it, and who gets to make decisions? What if one particular descendent unilaterally decides to replace a beautiful old marble monument, in almost perfect condition, with a new granite model? There is nothing in this for the cemetery -- no fee, no donation (but there should be). Just extra work that no one gets paid to do. Who should have to spend time calling other descendents for a decision respecting the fate of the old stone -- the cemetery volunteer or the guy who spent the money on the new stone? Or is the old stone's fate entirely his to decide? What's the easiest way to deal with the old stone? The reality is.... when the machinery comes in with the new stone, the machinery can very quickly break up and bury the old one. This is indeed a problem. Replacing an old stone with a new stone should involve a substantial donation to the cemetery. The old stone should be carefully lifted, its base removed and then it should be laid flat on the ground in front of the new stone. Bruce McCowan, P.Eng. www.scarboroughrecord.com You are wrong. The person who paid for the stone owns the rights to it if not available then the Direct next of kin. This could get a bit sticky. Do we not owe it to the family to give them a call or letter? Why must money always be a reason to do the right thing? The people coming in and replacing the new stone are being PAID to do their job and return the cemetery the way they founded it. It is up to the people repairing or replacing the stone to do their job right which includes taking proper care of the stone they take down. The family paying for the stone have the right to chose what they want done with the stone . whether it is to have it replaced next to the new stone or take it home or whatever. The stone they replace is own by them. Why should a cemetery get more money for a new stone when all it involves is merely showing the crew the right stone to replaced? After all ( the cemetery caretaker or owner of the cemetery) is being paid to do their job. It is wrong to place stones lying on the ground. Laying the stone down will make it easier to stone to be directly effect by the elements ( including acid rain) To place the stone next to the newest one might be the wisest choice. Care is always taken when removing a stone..... . The bottom line is this, the person who own the plot owns the right to do with their plot as long as they don't break any bylaws. ( Did you know that when you purchase a plot in a cemetery you should get the bylaws given to you? The person who replaces the stones owns it. Some cemeteries do ask for an inspection fee to make sure the monument etc is going to the right place. The fee varies. By the way, I am not a expert, but I have ran a municipal cemetery plus my husband works in more than 500 cemeteries replacing old stones , repairing them and also trying his best to respect the loved ones finale resting place. If we are unhappy with tombstones being sold, then let's do something positive about it and get the law changed or at least have direction on how it should be disposed of? Sheila

In connection with a new stone replacing an old stone... If the stone is a hundred years old and there are now numerous "family" only a phone call away... then who owns it, and who gets to make decisions? What if one particular descendent unilaterally decides to replace a beautiful old marble monument, in almost perfect condition, with a new granite model? There is nothing in this for the cemetery -- no fee, no donation (but there should be). Just extra work that no one gets paid to do. Who should have to spend time calling other descendents for a decision respecting the fate of the old stone -- the cemetery volunteer or the guy who spent the money on the new stone? Or is the old stone's fate entirely his to decide? What's the easiest way to deal with the old stone? The reality is.... when the machinery comes in with the new stone, the machinery can very quickly break up and bury the old one. This is indeed a problem. Replacing an old stone with a new stone should involve a substantial donation to the cemetery. The old stone should be carefully lifted, its base removed and then it should be laid flat on the ground in front of the new stone. Bruce McCowan, P.Eng. www.scarboroughrecord.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ellen Murray" <ellen.murray@sympatico.ca> To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: [ON-CEM] SELLING TOMBSTONES > Mary, am more interested in knowing which cemetery sold the stone and who it > was registered to. My understanding (and could be corrected on this) that > when a family purchases a plot and pays for a stone, it is their property. > If a Family Member cannot be found is there some regulation that states it > must be posted for a number of days in a local paper? Perhaps someone on > List could answer this. > Ellen > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004 > > > ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > READ the taglines! > Before you ask for a lookup ...check > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians/ > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Mary, am more interested in knowing which cemetery sold the stone and who it was registered to. My understanding (and could be corrected on this) that when a family purchases a plot and pays for a stone, it is their property. If a Family Member cannot be found is there some regulation that states it must be posted for a number of days in a local paper? Perhaps someone on List could answer this. Ellen --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 11/1/2004

To the dump!! How can people be so disrespectful! I'm not sure what we can do about this but I am going to try anyway. I've been thinking that the stone was possibly purchased locally and that I should write to the Genealogical Society in that county. The city of Simcoe is in Norfolk County and can be reached at: mihaley@mailhost.oxford.net Mary Quoting GEN <gendreamer@wightman.ca>: > That seems right to me. Mary. We need to ask some questions. The owner of > the cemetery, NOT THE CARETAKER is responsible for this . > Like I said before, rather see it in a garden, then other ways. > I be glad to send you photos of my disturbing ways cemetery stones are > forgotten .... plus they go to the dump too!! > Sheila >

I have had some requests for more information on the Canadian Gardening article that mentioned the selling of tombstones. The article was in the September 2004 issue and the article was titled "The Prince of Serendip" and was written by Lyn Tremblay. It highlights the garden of John Walker in the southwestern Ontario town of Simcoe. "Embedded inthe gravel, waving ornamental grasses - such as amur silvergrass (Miscanthus floridulus) and maiden grass (M. sinensis 'Gracillimus') - and clumps of Siberian iris contrast with old chimney blocks and an early pioneer grave marker. "The tombstone was purchased from the caretaker of an old graveyard,"John says. "When a coffin collapses and the stone above tilts, it becomes a hazard. It can be sold if a family member can't be found to finance a restoration." Tommorrow I plan on emailing Canadian Gardening magazine to inquire about this article. I don't know if they would know the name of the cemetery or the caretaker, but I am going to see what I can find out. In case anyone is interested, the magazine may be reached at: letters@canadiangardening.com Mary

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I can not think of any as disrespectful as selling tombstones right from a cemetery. I think the family has the right to chose what is done with at tombstone if they replace a new one with an old one. The owners of the cemeteries should make it a rule not to sell them........remember the tombstones are own by the family.....unless they ( the tombstones are purchased by an agent........like the Department of Veterans Affairs. To make everyone really sad........ I guess it is a lot kinder to sell the stones to someone who will used them rather than place them in a pile under a tree, against a fence, to act as a down spout to take rain away from a building or worse of all to use as flooring in a barn..... Thank goodness, we have OGS who has their branches faithfully go to every known cemetery and transcribe them. By the way, a tombstone that is leaning or can be a hazard to someone safely must be removed and repair. 40% of all funds received to purchase a cemetery plot must be put " In trust" for PC care, as this is a province of Ontario law . There is also a new bylaw which by the size of the stone a fee is collected and it is placed in the "Monument Care fund" Sheila

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On the subject of old headstones, I was horrified to read of a practice of selling headstones in an issue of Canadian Gardening magazine. The owner of a garden hightlighted in the article said that if a headstone started to lean and become a danger, you could purchase the stone from the cemetery if no one in the family could be contacted or was prepared to spend an money on repairs. There was a picture of the obelisk tombstone in the magazine "planted" among the flowers. Thi scertainly makes the task of tracking down headstones a little more difficult! Mary L. Quoting Heather Bertram <aaron@bmts.com>: > Hi Marie > > This is an abandoned cemetery. > The headstones would have been put in the wall to save them from further > deterioration and being lost under grass. I believe this was the > original town cemetery > > > > Heather in Orillia > Check http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/ > For Ontario Birth, Marriages & Deaths > > > -----Original Message----- > From: marie phlox [mailto:mariephlox@hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:36 AM > To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ON-CEM] WAUBAUSHENE, Twp Tay, Ont. > > Dear Listers, > > While visiting the town of Waubaushene, Ontario this past summer, I took > > some pictures of the following gravestones. > > They are located in the town of Waubaushene & off of Cherry Street. > They > are mounted in a stone wall. > > I do not know the history of these gravestones & if this was the actual > cemetery or if they were moved here from somewhere else. Would be most > grateful for any information. > > Please email me if you wish to receive the actual digital photo via an > attachment. > > I do not have any connection to these families. > > Maud Matilda HAMILTON died May 4, 1878, aged 1 yr 9 mos. > daughter of William J. & Catherine Ann HAMILTON > > INFANT daughter died sept 9, 1881, aged 20 days > daughter of John & Margaret GARRETT > > Maggie E. MILLER born 12 Aug 1879, died 21 Dec 1886 > daughter of Joseph & Mary J MILLER > > Joseph MILLER died May 16, 1884 aged 52 yrs 3 mos & 15 days > > Elizabeth GRISDALE died Oct 28, 1880 aged 19 yrs & 5 mos. > > Robert John WILSON died Aug 12, 1878 aged 6 mos > son of Leonard & Sophia WILSON > > INFANT son died Feb 23 1876 > son of J. O.? & Ella ARNOLD > > Regards, > > Marie (Quebec, Canada) > > > > ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > Did you print off your sheet when you joined this list ? > Got a branch meeting of the OGS or Historical Society ?...let us know > NO VIRUS OR TEST MESSAGES !!! > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > READ the taglines! > Before you ask for a lookup ...check > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hi Marie This is an abandoned cemetery. The headstones would have been put in the wall to save them from further deterioration and being lost under grass. I believe this was the original town cemetery Heather in Orillia Check http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/ For Ontario Birth, Marriages & Deaths -----Original Message----- From: marie phlox [mailto:mariephlox@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 10:36 AM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] WAUBAUSHENE, Twp Tay, Ont. Dear Listers, While visiting the town of Waubaushene, Ontario this past summer, I took some pictures of the following gravestones. They are located in the town of Waubaushene & off of Cherry Street. They are mounted in a stone wall. I do not know the history of these gravestones & if this was the actual cemetery or if they were moved here from somewhere else. Would be most grateful for any information. Please email me if you wish to receive the actual digital photo via an attachment. I do not have any connection to these families. Maud Matilda HAMILTON died May 4, 1878, aged 1 yr 9 mos. daughter of William J. & Catherine Ann HAMILTON INFANT daughter died sept 9, 1881, aged 20 days daughter of John & Margaret GARRETT Maggie E. MILLER born 12 Aug 1879, died 21 Dec 1886 daughter of Joseph & Mary J MILLER Joseph MILLER died May 16, 1884 aged 52 yrs 3 mos & 15 days Elizabeth GRISDALE died Oct 28, 1880 aged 19 yrs & 5 mos. Robert John WILSON died Aug 12, 1878 aged 6 mos son of Leonard & Sophia WILSON INFANT son died Feb 23 1876 son of J. O.? & Ella ARNOLD Regards, Marie (Quebec, Canada) ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== Did you print off your sheet when you joined this list ? Got a branch meeting of the OGS or Historical Society ?...let us know NO VIRUS OR TEST MESSAGES !!! ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Dear Listers, While visiting the town of Waubaushene, Ontario this past summer, I took some pictures of the following gravestones. They are located in the town of Waubaushene & off of Cherry Street. They are mounted in a stone wall. I do not know the history of these gravestones & if this was the actual cemetery or if they were moved here from somewhere else. Would be most grateful for any information. Please email me if you wish to receive the actual digital photo via an attachment. I do not have any connection to these families. Maud Matilda HAMILTON died May 4, 1878, aged 1 yr 9 mos. daughter of William J. & Catherine Ann HAMILTON INFANT daughter died sept 9, 1881, aged 20 days daughter of John & Margaret GARRETT Maggie E. MILLER born 12 Aug 1879, died 21 Dec 1886 daughter of Joseph & Mary J MILLER Joseph MILLER died May 16, 1884 aged 52 yrs 3 mos & 15 days Elizabeth CRISDALE or GRISDALE died Oct 28, 1880 aged 19 yrs & 5 mos. Robert John WILSON died Aug 12, 1878 aged 6 mos son of Leonard & Sophia WILSON INFANT son died Feb 23 1876 son of J. O.? & Ella ARNOLD Regards, Marie (Quebec, Canada)

Thank so much to those who resonded to me earlier request for Cataraqui United Church Cemetery lookup. I was hoping someone might be willing to do one additional lookup request for me in the Milligan Pioneer cemetery. The names I am looking for are William and Emily Wagar. Thanks again, Donna

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Wondering if anyone has a transcript or could do a walk-about in Holy Trinity Anglican Church Cemetery in Burford. I would like to know what the stone says for: Jacoby DARBY died May 19, 1864 (66). Are his children George, Sarah and Edward also buried there? Rumour has it his widow Mary Ann Goring Darby was remarried to a SECORD. There is a Mary Ann Secord buried there. Would like to know what her stone says. Wednesday, weather permitting, I will be searching in the FONTHILL Cemetery. If there is anyone I should keep an eye out for, please let me know. Thank you. Nancy researching - DARBY in Burford, Grantham and Crowland Townships GORING in Grantham Township WATSON in Burford and Norfolk Township MARTIN in Binbrook CALEB MARTIN in Cardin, Victoria County --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals