Well, I shall build it up to three cents! I have taken pictures of cemeteries for individuals before and enjoyed it, but all were in small out of the way cemeteries. I live in Guelph and Woodlawn Cemetery is really handy to where I live, I have gone in there on a few occasions to take pictures.....but I was like a kid in a candy store, I didn't know which way to go, which way to turn.....it is so big, but oh so well organised! I ran into some health problems which are sorted out now, so come spring I will be in Woodlawn with my handy camera......and I know there are no objections because I asked one of the workers the last time I was there! Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Harris" <gordon.harris@sympatico.ca> To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: Re: RE: [ON-CEM] Policy on cemetery photos > Boy with all the 2 and 2 1/2 cents worth we must have at least a dollar's > worth of info by now! > > Most interesting tho. Never had any problems myself and I can't imagine > photographing a lot of stones unless I had good reason; relative, request, > etc. And, yes, I have really appreciated those who have transcribed stones > and then published them on the 'net. It has helped me in my research > tremendoulsly, filling in gaps, confirming, etc. Thanks! > > Gordon Harris > Midhurst, Ontario, Canada > Researching: HARRIS, GREEN, BOWLBY, COOMBER, BIRCH, SWAYZE, SMITH, BOUGHNER, > MORRIS, CALDWELL, CASELEY, MCRAE in Canada, England, Scotland, Germany, > United States, & Wales > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Brian Hurdle > Date: 01/21/05 15:03:51 > To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: RE: [ON-CEM] Policy on cemetery photos > > Yes and no. > If the cemetery is open and accessible to and by the general public, > the information engraved on the tombstones is automatically in the > public domain, just the same as B/M/D notices when placed in a > newspaper are. > > If it is a "private" cemetery not readily accessible to the general > public, where people need permission from the owner to gain access, > then anyone wishing to photograph anything therein, should obtain > a "Release" from the owner thereto, in which full particulars would be > stated. Protects one's fanny if concerns arise. > > Information in the "public domain" can not be copyrighted and can be > published by anyone. Most juristictions view producing photographs as > publishing. > > If in doubt consult a Copyright Lawyer. > > > > > ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > READ the taglines! > Before you ask for a lookup ...check > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians > In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Boy with all the 2 and 2 1/2 cents worth we must have at least a dollar's worth of info by now! Most interesting tho. Never had any problems myself and I can't imagine photographing a lot of stones unless I had good reason; relative, request, etc. And, yes, I have really appreciated those who have transcribed stones and then published them on the 'net. It has helped me in my research tremendoulsly, filling in gaps, confirming, etc. Thanks! Gordon Harris Midhurst, Ontario, Canada Researching: HARRIS, GREEN, BOWLBY, COOMBER, BIRCH, SWAYZE, SMITH, BOUGHNER, MORRIS, CALDWELL, CASELEY, MCRAE in Canada, England, Scotland, Germany, United States, & Wales -------Original Message------- From: Brian Hurdle Date: 01/21/05 15:03:51 To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: RE: [ON-CEM] Policy on cemetery photos Yes and no. If the cemetery is open and accessible to and by the general public, the information engraved on the tombstones is automatically in the public domain, just the same as B/M/D notices when placed in a newspaper are. If it is a "private" cemetery not readily accessible to the general public, where people need permission from the owner to gain access, then anyone wishing to photograph anything therein, should obtain a "Release" from the owner thereto, in which full particulars would be stated. Protects one's fanny if concerns arise. Information in the "public domain" can not be copyrighted and can be published by anyone. Most juristictions view producing photographs as publishing. If in doubt consult a Copyright Lawyer.

I like to think my resting place as my final home.. If someone were to take a picture of my current home I doubt if I could prevent it from happening. So what's the difference? David Making life simple....

Yes and no. If the cemetery is open and accessible to and by the general public, the information engraved on the tombstones is automatically in the public domain, just the same as B/M/D notices when placed in a newspaper are. If it is a "private" cemetery not readily accessible to the general public, where people need permission from the owner to gain access, then anyone wishing to photograph anything therein, should obtain a "Release" from the owner thereto, in which full particulars would be stated. Protects one's fanny if concerns arise. Information in the "public domain" can not be copyrighted and can be published by anyone. Most juristictions view producing photographs as publishing. If in doubt consult a Copyright Lawyer. Just my 2-1/2 cents worth. > On re-reading my original posting regarding cemetery photos, I don't think I > made myself very clear. How do you handle a situation where by a person > goes to their local cemetery with their trusty digital camera and > photographs all the headstones and sends them to this list for posting on > the website. Should permission be obtained from the owner of the cemetery > first? Just curious. Ron is right in that surviving spouses could have > their info on the headstone. > > Pat Brian Hurdle London, ON, CAN AntiSpam Email: multiboard@bhurdle.com (interchange bhurdle & multiboard)

Hello List, To add my two cents. I am in cemeteries all the time taking digitals for people through RAOGK. So, I can only speak for the U.S.A. in the State of Tennessee ..... I have never in 6 years run into any problems from owners of cemeteries at all. I take 2 photos a month on the average..Tennessee seems to me to be a good spot to rest in, because the people who request going to an ancestors resting place are always from "way out of town" ...must say though, the majority of cemetery's are out in the boondocks. Nowadays, I take someone with me...and with our weather, 12 months a year!! In fact I prefer winter,little or no snow, less briars to comb through :-) but the good people who make transcriptions and put them on cemetery "free" websites are to be thanked profusely. Whether here in US or Canada, we certainly are trying to keep it free. I've spent a lot money sending off for transcriptions and have no way of knowing if they are mine until I ordered that transcription.Thank you Shelia for the cemetery lists..if everybody would transcribe a few tombstones when they visit cemeteries and add them to an index we would soon have a free transcription website to equal no other..... My three cents... Carol Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Bertram" <aaron@bmts.com> To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: RE: [ON-CEM] Policy on cemetery photos > > Hi everyone. > > I have never had a problem with photographing headstones. Our cemetery > is run by a board of directors. The business manager shows me around to > the headstones I am looking for and she know exactly what I am doing. > The photos were for someone else, not relative. > > One day while out getting more photos, I ran into a person from the OGS > who was updating records for a forthcoming CD. He had no problems with > me taking photographs. > > > > > Heather in Orillia > Check http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/ > For Ontario Birth, Marriages & Deaths > > > > > > > ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > READ the taglines! > Before you ask for a lookup ...check > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians > In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 1/19/05 > >

Hi everyone. I have never had a problem with photographing headstones. Our cemetery is run by a board of directors. The business manager shows me around to the headstones I am looking for and she know exactly what I am doing. The photos were for someone else, not relative. One day while out getting more photos, I ran into a person from the OGS who was updating records for a forthcoming CD. He had no problems with me taking photographs. Heather in Orillia Check http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/ For Ontario Birth, Marriages & Deaths

Here, here Sheila!! I agree wholeheartedly. Recently I asked a friend and fellow researcher to photograph my 3xg grandmother's stone at Mount Pleasant. He knew the cemetery fairly well and knew where the family plot was. As he started to take photos the Cemetery security approached him and asked if this was his family. He told a white lie and got the photos for me. So they are indeed watching in some places. I agree with Sheila that we must use common sense in this situation. I have taken lots of my own family past 1910. I recently had a request, through this list, for picture for a gal in England for a cemetery close to me, which was part of the Mount Pleasant group. I called ahead to find out where the people were interred. They were very helpful and gave me directions on how to find it. So maybe it depends on the individual cemetery and how they enforce their privacy policies. I am sure if I were dead and buried I would have no objections to someone photographing my stone nor would my family. If someone has ulterior motives by doing this or publishing for money, then maybe I would object as I feel this should remain a free act to be able to collect info for one's research or at the request of people who are also searching for family. Dawn in very coooold Toronto. -----Original Message----- From: GEN [mailto:gendreamer@wightman.ca] Sent: January 21, 2005 9:03 AM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] Photography & cemeteries. Why do they have to ask permission of the cemetery to take photos? The graves are own by the people . Most cemeteries are open to the public. One more thing to think about. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE Does the OGS go to every one who has a tombstone to ask for permission to take data from a person's stone? I doubt it. Then we would risk losing this wonderful resource for genealogist if they took the time to seek permission to ask each owner . This would be too time consuming. We would risk losing this service What we are taking about is the need to use ' common sense'. Personally I take photos of old stones, and if they are past 1910, I don't take the photo UNLESS, I have been requested to do so , and that photo image is always sent to the person who request it. I am not going to tell you that I have never taken photos of stones after 1910 , that would be a lie, especially when it come to photos of family members. Do you really think local cemeteries have all the time in the world to stand guard at cemeteries making sure that no one takes photos of stones ? They are too busy making sure the cemetery is kept up, and spending their money wisely on things that really matter. People are being regulated to death. Don't do this and don't do that. I am all for protecting people privacy, but again common sense needs to be used. I can think of more positive things that taking photos of tombstones does , rather than the negative. After all aren't we after the same thing, to record for future generations our proud ancestry, whether it be by written records or by photos? If you want to get upset over any thing, then work for better care of a neglected cemetery. Or the thing that makes me boiling mad, is the low-life people who read obituaries and while the family is at the funeral home or service, robs their home. Sheila shill@wightman.ca ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== READ the taglines! Before you ask for a lookup ...check http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi All, Interesting discussion as copyright always is in these days. I'm not an expert either but I would think that the information is already out in the public domain since everyone can view it in the cemetery and therefore there is no expectation of privacy. Same thing could be said about the obituaries that are publicized in the newspaper and then listed on the internet. If either of these things were legally wrong I would have thought that sites that have been on the internet for years would have been shut down by now. I've never had a cemetery voice their concerns about taking pictures even when they know I'm doing it for someone else. To the contrary most of them are very helpful. Just food for thought and discussion. It would be interesting to get a legal opinion if there is a copyright lawyer on the list. Val On 21 Jan 2005, at 1:00, Ron Cushman wrote: > There are 2 potential issues with headstones: > a) privacy of living individuals, (and/or deceased) and > b) copyright infringement. > > a) if a surviving spouse has had their info, (date of birth, name) > engraved on the marker, it would be inappropriate to publish such > information on the net (identity theft, etc). In the USA, the > deceased have no rights re privacy. In Canada, personal information > is not public domain until AT LEAST 20 years after death. > > b) the FACTS, (name, date of death) on a headstone cannot be > copyrighted. The decorations, phrasing of expression, overall > appearance can be. The owner of the design would seem to be the > registered owner of the grave/ headstone, or their heirs would be the > ones who MIGHT have a basis of objection, should they care to. > > If asked, most cemeteries would choose to have you NOT take the photo, > so that they can avoid the whole question, even if they are not > directly involved. They don't want to be accused of dereliction of > duties by allowing the photo to be taken for such a purpose. > > All my opinion only (notice me ducking now), not represented as > expert. > > Ron > > On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:04:17 -0500, Patricia Copeland wrote: > > >I have noticed on a number of occasions people volunteering to take > >photos of headstones in cemeteries and then posting them on the net. > >Is there a way to go about doing this? Should the owner of the > >cemetery (i.e. church or municipality) be contacted first? Would > >this site receive complaints from the OGS? Just curious. > > >Pat > > > Ron Cushman > net-genealogy@rogers.com > ON, Canada > > > > > ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > Did you print off your sheet when you joined this list ? > Got a branch meeting of the OGS or Historical Society ?...let us know > NO In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com VIRUS OR TEST MESSAGES > !!! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 > months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Good morning, listers, Just to add my 2 cents worth to this interesting discussion. I agree with Margaret and others that it's only common courtesy and sense to stop in at the cemetery office first. My daughter and I had 100% cooperation when we visited Riverview cemetery in Thunder Bay three years ago, to take pictures of her father's burial place. The cemetery office employee was very helpful, making photocopies of their records, and marking on a map the location of the grave. Sometimes I wish (not in the winter!) that I still lived in Ontario so that I could visit the different cemeteries where my ancestors are buried. Happy researching! Betty (in wet but warm Delta, BC)

Here in the Comox Valley we have several cemeteries, and our genie group has documented and printed cemetery books. Prior to taking on the task, we went to the various offices of the cemeteries, and made them aware of what we wanted to do, and they were more than helpful. When my hubby and I have gone looking for family in various cemeteries across Canada, we have gone to the local cemetery office, and 9 times out of 10, they have shown us a list of the plot holders, given us a copy and marked where our family plot is. The 10th probably was a small communtiy cemetery and no available records held locally, these were usually really really old ones that were no longer being used for burials. Personally, I think it is common curtesy to let the office know what you are doing, and cannot blame 'security' officers stopping by and asking what you are doing...because of the high rate of vandalism, and theft in cemeteries. I am not handy with a camera, but I carry a small pad an! d draw a picture of the headstone/marker, and fill in the names and dates of those buried. But the most important thing is to use common sense and above all, respect the last resting place of those in the cemetery. That's my 2cents worth, and everyone have a happy day...

Why do they have to ask permission of the cemetery to take photos? The graves are own by the people . Most cemeteries are open to the public. One more thing to think about. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE Does the OGS go to every one who has a tombstone to ask for permission to take data from a person's stone? I doubt it. Then we would risk losing this wonderful resource for genealogist if they took the time to seek permission to ask each owner . This would be too time consuming. We would risk losing this service What we are taking about is the need to use ' common sense'. Personally I take photos of old stones, and if they are past 1910, I don't take the photo UNLESS, I have been requested to do so , and that photo image is always sent to the person who request it. I am not going to tell you that I have never taken photos of stones after 1910 , that would be a lie, especially when it come to photos of family members. Do you really think local cemeteries have all the time in the world to stand guard at cemeteries making sure that no one takes photos of stones ? They are too busy making sure the cemetery is kept up, and spending their money wisely on things that really matter. People are being regulated to death. Don't do this and don't do that. I am all for protecting people privacy, but again common sense needs to be used. I can think of more positive things that taking photos of tombstones does , rather than the negative. After all aren't we after the same thing, to record for future generations our proud ancestry, whether it be by written records or by photos? If you want to get upset over any thing, then work for better care of a neglected cemetery. Or the thing that makes me boiling mad, is the low-life people who read obituaries and while the family is at the funeral home or service, robs their home. Sheila shill@wightman.ca

On re-reading my original posting regarding cemetery photos, I don't think I made myself very clear. How do you handle a situation where by a person goes to their local cemetery with their trusty digital camera and photographs all the headstones and sends them to this list for posting on the website. Should permission be obtained from the owner of the cemetery first? Just curious. Ron is right in that surviving spouses could have their info on the headstone. Pat -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/2005

There are 2 potential issues with headstones: a) privacy of living individuals, (and/or deceased) and b) copyright infringement. a) if a surviving spouse has had their info, (date of birth, name) engraved on the marker, it would be inappropriate to publish such information on the net (identity theft, etc). In the USA, the deceased have no rights re privacy. In Canada, personal information is not public domain until AT LEAST 20 years after death. b) the FACTS, (name, date of death) on a headstone cannot be copyrighted. The decorations, phrasing of expression, overall appearance can be. The owner of the design would seem to be the registered owner of the grave/ headstone, or their heirs would be the ones who MIGHT have a basis of objection, should they care to. If asked, most cemeteries would choose to have you NOT take the photo, so that they can avoid the whole question, even if they are not directly involved. They don't want to be accused of dereliction of duties by allowing the photo to be taken for such a purpose. All my opinion only (notice me ducking now), not represented as expert. Ron On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:04:17 -0500, Patricia Copeland wrote: >I have noticed on a number of occasions people volunteering to take photos >of headstones in cemeteries and then posting them on the net. Is there a >way to go about doing this? Should the owner of the cemetery (i.e. church >or municipality) be contacted first? Would this site receive complaints >from the OGS? Just curious. >Pat Ron Cushman net-genealogy@rogers.com ON, Canada

Thanks so much, Carol, and also to the others of you who have emailed this URL. I have visited this site before, and I think that the OGS does a magnificent job of supplying genealogy information. As does their wonderful genealogy collections room in the library in St Thomas, which I hope to visit again the next time I travel to Ontario. My rellies are listed on this McColl burials list, but not with death dates - and that's my sticking point. Sarah SCHRADER EATON's stone shows her birth year (1865) plus Charles' birth and death years, (1869 - 1938) but no death year for her. (Probably one more reason to have kids... they just might put your death date on your stone.) Probably if I had access to newspapers after 1938, when Charles died, and enough time to go through all of them until I find Sarah, I would have my answer. I just had hoped that there would be an easier way. Of course, if my presumption is correct and she DID die after Charles did, she was 73 when he died, which *might* mean only a few years' worth of newspaper searchings... I think that I have at least partially sidestepped that problem for my own stone, which I just had placed on our family lot. No, I don't expect to use it for some time yet, but the genealogist in me decided that it needed to include: names of my parents, including my mother's maiden name (widely shown in Canada but not so much in the States), my children's names, my siblings' names, and my beloved's name. That should help somebody down the line... Thanks again. I'll keep trying. Nancy Carol Lylyk wrote: >http://www.elginogs.ca/cemeteries/aldborough/mccoll.htm >http://www.elginogs.ca/elgincemeteries.htm >The first site has an index to the burials in the McColl cemetery. > >Carol Lylyk >Calgary > >

I have noticed on a number of occasions people volunteering to take photos of headstones in cemeteries and then posting them on the net. Is there a way to go about doing this? Should the owner of the cemetery (i.e. church or municipality) be contacted first? Would this site receive complaints from the OGS? Just curious. Pat -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/2005

http://www.elginogs.ca/cemeteries/aldborough/mccoll.htm http://www.elginogs.ca/elgincemeteries.htm The first site has an index to the burials in the McColl cemetery. Carol Lylyk Calgary

I tried that, thank you, and it did give me access to the story page, but I still can't get the links at the bottom of the page to work. It does indicate that this was taken from a cached page, visited in November, and that there may be new or changed material. (My cache setting has been at 0 days since forever, so I don't know what else to do there.) I will keep trying, but no joy so far. Anyway, the relative I am researching, buried in McColl Cemetery, is Sarah SCHRADER EATON, wife of Charles EATON. I have searched Heather Bertram's (Steve Marshall, et al) wonderful site http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/ and have not found any information on either of them. The rest of Sarah's family seems to have been buried in other cemeteries in Aldborough Twp, Elgin County (except that I have never found her sister, Rebecca SCHRADER) and I don't know why Sarah/Charles were buried in that particular cemetery - unless it was that the SCHRADER family lived just west of McColl's. I find no other connections for either of them in that cemetery. So, then, how else does one track down death information when one does not know the death year? Where have I not looked? Thank you all so much for your suggestions. It all makes searching a whole lot more interesting and exciting! Nancy Val wrote: >Hi, > >For those that can't get to the McColl Cemetery web page with the full url >here is what they call a "tiny url" that hopefully will take you to the page. > >http://tinyurl.com/5y6tg > >If you manage to bring up the page you will note that this is only a snapshot >of the page in Google's cache and is not an updated page. > >If anyone is interested in making "Tiny" url's out of those long ones that can >be confusing here is the site where you can do it. > >http://tinyurl.com/ > >Making these urls is off topic so if anyone needs more information please >contact me off list for further information on the Tiny urls. > >Val > > >On 20 Jan 2005, at 10:16, Nancy Keith wrote: > >>A huge THANK YOU to all of you who sent suggestions, hints, ideas - >>and even an email copy of the lead story - about opening this link. I >>still haven't conquered the problem, but I am determined that I WILL >>do it! I have relatives buried in McColl Cemetery, and have found it >>to be a lovely, peaceful place, well maintained and a pleasure to >>visit. >> >>One of the things that I was hoping to find on Christine's suggested >>site for McColl Cemetery is if there is a transcription of the actual >>burial records, rather than of the stones themselves. My relative's >>stone has a death date for her husband, but not for her. I am pretty >>sure that she died after he did, and they had no children, so a death >>date was never added to her stone. Without a death date, I can't find >>an obituary or a death cert... and so it goes. Suggestions gladly >>received... >> >>Again, thank you! You're a neat bunch! >> >>Nancy >>in cold, snowy, gray northern lower Michigan >> >> >>Nancy Keith wrote: >> >>>Christine >>> >>>I would LOVE to access that site, but I keep getting a message that >>>it doesn't exist. I wonder if it is spelled totally correctly? Or >>>all the dots and such are correct? It doesn't go through without >>>the letters past the forward slash, either. >>> >>>Thanks for checking. >>> >>>Nancy >>> >>> >>>Christine wrote: >>> >>>>Here is a link to an interesting and well documented >>>>cemetery that I found online. >>>> >>>>Christine >>>> >>>>http://www.kilvicocharmaig.yk.net/McCollStory.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== >>READ the taglines! >>Before you ask for a lookup ...check >>http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians/ >>In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com/ >> >>============================== >>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >>the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 >>months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > > >==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== >Help Vicki Turner save the " Canniff Mill Cemetery" >http://canniffcemetery.com/index.html to see her story . >Let's not this and other cemeteries be fogotten >In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >. >

Hi, For those that can't get to the McColl Cemetery web page with the full url here is what they call a "tiny url" that hopefully will take you to the page. http://tinyurl.com/5y6tg If you manage to bring up the page you will note that this is only a snapshot of the page in Google's cache and is not an updated page. If anyone is interested in making "Tiny" url's out of those long ones that can be confusing here is the site where you can do it. http://tinyurl.com/ Making these urls is off topic so if anyone needs more information please contact me off list for further information on the Tiny urls. Val On 20 Jan 2005, at 10:16, Nancy Keith wrote: > A huge THANK YOU to all of you who sent suggestions, hints, ideas - > and even an email copy of the lead story - about opening this link. I > still haven't conquered the problem, but I am determined that I WILL > do it! I have relatives buried in McColl Cemetery, and have found it > to be a lovely, peaceful place, well maintained and a pleasure to > visit. > > One of the things that I was hoping to find on Christine's suggested > site for McColl Cemetery is if there is a transcription of the actual > burial records, rather than of the stones themselves. My relative's > stone has a death date for her husband, but not for her. I am pretty > sure that she died after he did, and they had no children, so a death > date was never added to her stone. Without a death date, I can't find > an obituary or a death cert... and so it goes. Suggestions gladly > received... > > Again, thank you! You're a neat bunch! > > Nancy > in cold, snowy, gray northern lower Michigan > > > Nancy Keith wrote: > > > Christine > > > > I would LOVE to access that site, but I keep getting a message that > > it doesn't exist. I wonder if it is spelled totally correctly? Or > > all the dots and such are correct? It doesn't go through without > > the letters past the forward slash, either. > > > > Thanks for checking. > > > > Nancy > > > > > > Christine wrote: > > > >> Here is a link to an interesting and well documented > >> cemetery that I found online. > >> > >> Christine > >> > >> http://www.kilvicocharmaig.yk.net/McCollStory.html > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > READ the taglines! > Before you ask for a lookup ...check > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians/ > In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 > months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Thank you Kim and all who emailed: I have been compiling a list of all nearby (Burrell line) cemeteries that were in operation in 1871..I have many times searched the OCFA. I understand that they are always adding names. I have contacted Greenfield to see if there are any unidentified gravestones and was told that as far as they knew they have all been identified and Catherine Dunne is not there... And to Jean F. the Catholic Church at Kenilworth on Hwy 6, would that be St. Peter's? (formerly I believe, St. Gregory's?)..if it is, I'm still waiting for information from them. They allowed the FHC to film records from 1858-1875 and I was lucky to find one baptismal and 6 births!! <<There are a > couple of other REALLY SMALL ones just on the > outskirts of the village, and one in Damascus (which > is a 5-10 minute drive), but they have a few people > buried in each.>> If these two other cemeteries have names or directions to them, I would appreciate any information. Particularly the one near Damascus And thanks to Wayne Cook who provided me with some great information that I didn't know. <<Part of Luther township and parts of Arthur township were surveyed by Lewis Burwell and for many years #9 Highway from Arthur towards Teviotdale was known as the Burwell Line..>> And finally thanks to Shelia for that wonder map!! This is indeed a great group... Carol Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim (Ellison) Watson" <kimberley_ellison@yahoo.com> To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com>; <radford2@bellsouth.net> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [ON-CEM] Can anyone tell me where > Hi Carol Lee, > > You may want to try looking at Greenfield Cemetery, > Wellington County, Peel Township. I lived in Arthur > for many, many years and that is the only cemetery > that I know of in the immediate area. There are a > couple of other REALLY SMALL ones just on the > outskirts of the village, and one in Damascus (which > is a 5-10 minute drive), but they have a few people > buried in each. > > Try looking on the OCFA website for her using her last > name (and given if you know it) with Wellington County > and Peel Township fields filled in. > > > Good luck, > Kim

Try the URL in my signature line, for birth, marriage & death registrations. Heather in Orillia Check http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/ For Ontario Birth, Marriages & Deaths -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Keith [mailto:keithnancy@t-one.net] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:17 AM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ON-CEM] McColl Cemetery--ELGIN COUNTY A huge THANK YOU to all of you who sent suggestions, hints, ideas - and even an email copy of the lead story - about opening this link. I still haven't conquered the problem, but I am determined that I WILL do it! I have relatives buried in McColl Cemetery, and have found it to be a lovely, peaceful place, well maintained and a pleasure to visit. One of the things that I was hoping to find on Christine's suggested site for McColl Cemetery is if there is a transcription of the actual burial records, rather than of the stones themselves. My relative's stone has a death date for her husband, but not for her. I am pretty sure that she died after he did, and they had no children, so a death date was never added to her stone. Without a death date, I can't find an obituary or a death cert... and so it goes. Suggestions gladly received... Again, thank you! You're a neat bunch! Nancy in cold, snowy, gray northern lower Michigan Nancy Keith wrote: > Christine > > I would LOVE to access that site, but I keep getting a message that it > doesn't exist. I wonder if it is spelled totally correctly? Or all > the dots and such are correct? It doesn't go through without the > letters past the forward slash, either. > > Thanks for checking. > > Nancy > > > Christine wrote: > >> Here is a link to an interesting and well documented >> cemetery that I found online. >> >> Christine >> >> http://www.kilvicocharmaig.yk.net/McCollStory.html >> >> >> ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== READ the taglines! Before you ask for a lookup ...check http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians/ In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx