Sheila Please keep your web site up. It has been a great help to me and to others who are looking for transcripts of cemeteries. I have never heard of the Canada wide cemetery database. Hang in there and make your site the best. Mary Swank Riverside, California

Hi, I have relatives in Mt. Hope Cemetery in Brantford as well as the older Greenwood Cemetery that they also manage. Unfortunately, I live too far away from there to search for you but their people are very good at looking things up. Here's their address and phone number: Mt. Hope Cemetery 169 Charing Cross Brantford, Ontario N3R 2JE (519) 753-0317 Hope it helps. It's a very well managed cemetery in the center of town. Bruce ============================================== Bruce Evans M.D. Family Physician and Technical Writer Keep your words both soft and tender, because tomorrow you may have to eat them. -----Original Message----- From: Sandi Akins [mailto:akinsfamily@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:17 PM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] TELFER Mt Hope Cemetery Brantford Hi, would sks please look up John and Isobel Telfer buried in Mt Hope Cemetery in Brantford. I don't have their death dates, but any informtion listed would be needed, many thanks Sandi -- Researching, Akins, Atherton, Burgener, Cumming, Deans, Johnston, Mathews, Matthews, McKenzie, Tedd, Taylor,Weston, Zieman, Ziemann ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== Did you print off your sheet when you joined this list ? Got a branch meeting of the OGS or Historical Society ?...let us know NO In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com VIRUS OR TEST MESSAGES !!! ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi, would sks please look up John and Isobel Telfer buried in Mt Hope Cemetery in Brantford. I don't have their death dates, but any informtion listed would be needed, many thanks Sandi -- Researching, Akins, Atherton, Burgener, Cumming, Deans, Johnston, Mathews, Matthews, McKenzie, Tedd, Taylor,Weston, Zieman, Ziemann

Very good point. I have had several instances in the U. S. of that happening. In one case, it is possible that the wife was buried with the husband and he was the only one to have a headstone. Pat Morano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan J. Edminster" <susaned@kendra.com> To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:46 AM Subject: Checking with the Cemetery Office > Hi Everyone, > > What an interesting discussion! > > Another good reason to stop at the cemetery office is that the person > you're searching for may be buried there but not have a headstone. This > happened to me a few years ago and the > cemetery office folks not only let us look at the records but drove us out > to the unmarked grave sites. We'd never have found them except for the > kindness of the office staff! > > > Sue Edminster > > ______________________________

To bring you up to date. We have 367 members on the "L" list. ( Lost 10 in the last week) On the digest mode we have 144 members Total 511 on this list. Thank-you Sheila List Mom ( who forget her own e-mail address some times)

Never underestimate the help you'll get from the cemetery office. You'll often find there are other people buried in the site, you may find the plot has been bought and sold a few times, sometimes to relatives sometimes to strangers. They may often point out other relatives buried in the cemtery you weren't aware of. In Toronto, most of the cemeteries are run under a trust and the records of all the cemteries are available at their head office; you have to book the time ahead, though, Bruce ============================================== Bruce Evans M.D. Family Physician and Technical Writer Keep your words both soft and tender, because tomorrow you may have to eat them. -----Original Message----- From: Susan J. Edminster [mailto:susaned@kendra.com] Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 12:47 AM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] Checking with the Cemetery Office Hi Everyone, What an interesting discussion! Another good reason to stop at the cemetery office is that the person you're searching for may be buried there but not have a headstone. This happened to me a few years ago and the cemetery office folks not only let us look at the records but drove us out to the unmarked grave sites. We'd never have found them except for the kindness of the office staff! Sue Edminster

I feel that if people have complaints with you and you have to take your time and energy and you don't get paid for it should take a flying leap..just let the complainers do the job for a week and see how they feel then.!! sincerely,mary alice _wseone56@aol.com_ (mailto:wseone56@aol.com) Torrance, CA,USA

Hi Everyone, What an interesting discussion! Another good reason to stop at the cemetery office is that the person you're searching for may be buried there but not have a headstone. This happened to me a few years ago and the cemetery office folks not only let us look at the records but drove us out to the unmarked grave sites. We'd never have found them except for the kindness of the office staff! Sue Edminster

Before anyone writes me........... All Historical & Genealogy societies are welcome to place their upcoming events on this site. As the group for Robbie Burns did. Please do not quote a price.........and always list a contact person. By the way, this information can be found in the welcome statement and guidelines when you subscribed to the Ontario Cemeteries mailing list. One little reminder to all. Again, this is NOT a surname list. So please do not quote your whole family tree. We need dates.........death dates, places in ONTARIO of the person (s) who have expired. Bye for now and everyone..... try to stay warm. Sheila

For Toronto area members who have ancestors buried in the Presbyterian Kirkyards in Scarborough, Ontario -- St. Andrew's, Knox, Melville and others. A large number of Scots came to Scarborough, in the early 19th century. Some of these pioneers come back to life on Jan. 25 2005 at... An 1834 Celebration of Robbie Burns In the early days of Burns Clubs, a "Burns Supper" was typically a couple of dozen people who recited the poems of Robbie Burns (sometimes in song), gave numerous toasts and discussed issues that had been important to Burns. The lives and times of common folk in Burns' era were usually discussed at length. An "1834 Celebration of Robbie Burns" at the Village Tea Room in Scarborough will more or less follow that original format in "audience participation" mode. The two dozen "1834" characters at the Village Tea Room (men and women) were real Lowland Scots who had immigrated to Scarborough. Tea Room guests on Jan. 25 will each have a small part to read -- either a toast or a very short speech (ie comments on / extensions of the toast). The script has been written. It will be good fun and quite unique. Of course, between the toasts we'll play some of the Burns songs and poems too -- as done at the suppers 170 years ago. Haggis, "bannocks", shortbread and dessert will be served. Please call 416-267-3855 or 416-447-4895 to Reserve Tickets. Hope some of you can make it. ------------------------------------------------- An 1834 Celebration of Robbie Burns Participate in a Burns Club gathering the real "auld-fashioned" way! Tues. January 25 2005 (Two Sittings: 3 pm and 7 pm) Hosted by ButnBen Bakery and The Village Tea Room 2967 Kingston Rd, Scarborough (West End of Cliffcrest Plaza) Call 416-267-3855 to Reserve Tickets Immortal Memory of Burns: By a Scarborough pioneer who actually met Burns Toast to King William: By Henry Cowan, Farmer Toast to the Army and Navy: By John Torrance, Land Surveyor Toast to the Upper Canada Government: By James Gibson, Captain of Militia Toast to the Young Members: By Agnes Hamilton Rae, Farmer Toast to our Deceased Fathers and Mothers: By William Purdie, Farmer Toast to the Poets of Scotland: By Archibald Glendinning, Storekeeper Everyone reads a part! Who will you be today? The widow Mary Weir? Opinionated school-girl Catherine Bowes? Stonemason David Thomson or his wife Mary, the Mother of Scarborough? ... Or one of Scarborough's other early Scots? ________________________ James McCowan Memorial Social History Society c/o 19 Monarchwood Crescent, Don Mills, Ont., M3A 1H3 416-447-4895 www.mccowan.org bea@beamccowan.com A Non-Profit, Non-Charitable Organization Dedicated to Placing the Scottish Experience Within the Wider Context of the Community Contributor to the "Lowland Clearances" BBC-Radio Scotland Series Scarboro Heights Record An On-Line Learning Resource for Community Studies 416-447-4895 www.scarboroughrecord.com bea@beamccowan.com Dedicated to Promoting Community Events, Arts and Multicultural Activities Non-Profit Groups, Local History and Local Heroes Bea and Bruce McCowan, P.Eng. 416-447-4895 www.scarboroughrecord.com

New Mailing list. "CAN-ON-CEMETERY-CG ( or Canada Ontario Cemetery Conservation Group) A mailing list for the exchange of ideas and solutions in order to help resolve cemetery issues for any cemetery within the province of Ontario, Canada. Ontario Cemeteries Conservation Group. This group mandate is simple and to the point. 1. To bring to the attention of the public a cemetery that is in disrepair. 2.To make sure that all cemeteries in a mailing list member s' area are known and acknowledge. 3. That all cemeteries are accessible to the public. 4. To have signage for cemeteries put in place if feasible. People can subscribe to this mailing list by sending a message to CAN-ON-CEMETERY-CG-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word subscribe Or to the digest mode the command "subscribe" to CAN-ON-CEMETERY-CG-Drequest@rootsweb.com Sheila

I joined this awhile ago but then LIFE happened {{smiles}}, and I havent had a chance to write... well, anyway....I am decended from these surnames...... MASSEY, Daniel who married Angeline HAYNES, dau of Lewis/Louis HAYNES and wife Anna ?......this would have been late 1700's early 1800's as their son, John MASSEY married Julia Ann ROWLEY, dau of Thomas ROWLEY and his second wife, Delilah ?. Thomas being born in VERMONT, USA. Not sure where DANIEL MASSEY b. abt 1766 in Leeds Co., Ontario, Canada.... John MASSEY was born in 1809 and had siblings......most moved to the USA....... I dont have the parents of Daniel MASSEY.......dont know where he is buried.....or Thomas and Delilah (?) Rowley buried....or Angeline HAYNES MASSEY and her father Thomas ROWLEY......any help would be appreciate... they lived in Gouvenier Island? and in New York as well............ Thanks! Mary Lou --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

Nancy, > A fellow Lister had suggested that I contact the owner of the cemetery, > who might have further records, My information on McColl Cemetery is a bit old, but this lady is a good starting point. If she no longer looks after it, maybe she will steer you to who does. Mrs. Margaret I WILTON, Chairman, McColl Cemetery Board, 126 Alexandra Street London, ON N6C 2B2 Tel: 519-439-4163 My father was born in Rodney, so I'm a bit familiar with the area. Hope this helps, Brian Hurdle London, ON, CAN AntiSpam Email: multiboard@bhurdle.com (interchange bhurdle & multiboard)

Whether a photo is taken and placed on the web is really not an issue when common sense is used. The reason people take photos it to record history. In this case history of a person(s) What about all the information placed in newspaper. Births, Marriages, Deaths. Etc.? Would we want people to be prevented from gaining knowledge of these events? Most people are grateful to have a photo taken of a loved one's tombstone. What joy it would bring, for them to find a lost family member though the viewing of a photo. If we are in doubt about taking a photo, edit the photo and leave out the surviving spouses' information out. My motive as well as most others of placing a person tombstone in the web to view is for genealogy purposes. All we need to resolve this issue, is to have your e-mail listed on the website, so if a person chooses to have a family tombstone removed, this can be done. By the way, when I take photos of a cemetery (that is not closed), I always try to check with a cemetery board member or with their Church. You would be surprised how helpful the Minster of that church cemetery will be. In fact one a minister took me for a tour of the cemetery. In another case, the ladies in charge of a cemetery offer me records for stones not readable. In all dealings, I have been up front about what my reasons were, that I was doing this for free and always took with me the OGS publication of that cemetery as guide. "Ask and yea shall know , search and yea will find" Sheila

It's back! It really is back! Thanks to the efforts of fellow Lister, Christine and the site owner, Heather, the elusive McColl Cemetery site is back online. It appears that when they moved from one office to another, it caused a glitch on the site. So, if you want to reach the McColl Cemetery site, try it again: http://www.kilvicocharmaig.yk.net/McCollIntro.html I just spent some wonderful time there.... but now I am shaking my head over what I found. It seems as though every question that gets answered raises about a dozen more! On this site, in addition to very thorough descriptions of the stones in the cemetery (good job, West Elgin Genealogical and Historical Society members! Those stones are old enough and lichened over enough to be difficult to read.) there is a list of burial records. So I checked through that listing for my Charles and Sarah SCHRADER EATON. Here is what I found: Lot 45: Hyatt Receipt in the name of Henry Hyatt for SE half, 1904. 1. Hector G. (or C.) son of Henry J & Savilla May Hyatt, 1903. Receipt in the name of Wm. G. Walters for NW half, 1904. 1. Charles Easton, 1938; 2. Sarah Schrader (wife), 19??. No burial records. Lot 46: Walters Receipt in the name of Wm. G. Walters, SE 1/2, 1904. No markers, no burial record. Okay, I will overlook the extra "s" in EATON. But Sarah's information still does not tell me when she was buried - and there are "no burial records"!!!! AAARRRRGH!!! A fellow Lister had suggested that I contact the owner of the cemetery, who might have further records, (good suggestion, that) but I don't have the foggiest idea where to start to find the owner. McColl is a small cemetery sitting back from the road, adjacent to a large field - no buildings within sight. It is just west of Eagle, which has no post office any more... perhaps I will just send a letter to the West Elgin G&H Society (I will try to find where they are located...) and *hope* that it reaches someone. I will NOT give up! My family does not call me stub... uh... determined for nothing! Another puzzler? The lot that Charles and Sarah are buried in was purchased by Sarah's brother-in-law, William G Walters (husband of sister Susannah SCHRADER)... and so was the adjacent burial site - which shows "no markers, no burial record" - possibly because William and Susannah are buried in West Lorne's Evergreen Cemetery... Must be a story there. Isn't genealogy wonderful? You really have to love putting together never-ending puzzles if you are going to like genealogy! :-\ But it sure helps to have helpful fellow Listers! In the words of my much-younger niece, "You guys rock!" Thanks. Nancy in Michigan, where the snow and cold just don't give up!

I agree with you Gord, and don't forget any American 2 cents is worth 3 cents Canadian. Whether it is digital photos or transcriptions OGS has completed several cemeteries with no problem, I can't see any problems for others, I've been taking photos film and now digital for the past 15 years with no problems. Just be courteous an if there is an office on the cemetery grounds or in the area, advise them what you will be doing, they'll most likely assist you in any way they can. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Harris" <gordon.harris@sympatico.ca> To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: Re: RE: [ON-CEM] Policy on cemetery photos > Boy with all the 2 and 2 1/2 cents worth we must have at least a dollar's > worth of info by now! > Most interesting though. Never had any problems myself and I can't imagine > photographing a lot of stones unless I had good reason; relative, request, > etc. And, yes, I have really appreciated those who have transcribed stones > and then published them on the 'net. It has helped me in my research > tremendoulsly, filling in gaps, confirming, etc. Thanks!

Please make it clear that you are speaking about posting the photos on web sites -- that is a different situation from taking requested photos for family members. As one of those who volunteered to take photos, I said nothing about posting those photos to the web. That being said, the monument is something that was placed in a public place for public viewing. The people who had the monument made chose what they wanted displayed publicly (otherwise they would not have had that info put there). Are you then saying that we should never take a photo of any public monument, plaque, cenotaph, etc. etc. because somebody might not want that info to be known? Are we to be searched for paper and pencil before entering the cemetery lest we transcribe the information? Facetious question I know, but where does one draw the line? As for Ron's point about surviving spouses - my mother has her info on my Dad's stone and there is nothing there that would be of any help to anybody beyond a genealogist - only a name (that she hasn't used in almost 70 years and has changed twice since) and a birthdate. Is it not the idea of a headstone to have the information passed on so that the person is not forgotten? If the info on it was so sensitive, would they not all be marked by numbers only and cross-indexed to some book to which only the ID authorized would be allowed access? In all the years I have been taking photos in cemeteries both here and abroad, I have never yet had any objections raised by the management - even those who were fully aware of my presence and activity. Yes, they are concerned with vandalism, damage or perhaps not following the cemetery guidelines with regard to planting or decoration etc., but beyond that they really don't seem to care. Perhaps I am mistaken here, but I am just going by previous experiences. Katie Patricia Copeland wrote: >On re-reading my original posting regarding cemetery photos, I don't think I >made myself very clear. How do you handle a situation where by a person >goes to their local cemetery with their trusty digital camera and >photographs all the headstones and sends them to this list for posting on >the website. Should permission be obtained from the owner of the cemetery >first? Just curious. Ron is right in that surviving spouses could have >their info on the headstone. > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.2 - Release Date: 1/21/05

That is interesting and I have always wondered how someone could claim copyright to something that belongs to me as a family member. I think copyright is like copying a newspaper article...if copies are not distributed to more than 10 people in printed form, there is no breaking of the copyright law. I try to stay away from people who claim a copyright, although occasionally I have to use them. If they are given proper credit, you are not breaking the law. I can see asking permission of the cemetery but as far as I am concerned, if you take pictures of your own direct ancestors' or relatives grave sites, you are not breaking a law. Taking pictures for someone else, have an E-mail or letter giving you permission to take the picture or asking for the picture could be a good idea. I had a cousin who had a family member who threatened to sue her if she published the family tree. The information is out there. The gravestones are not under glass or guard. Birth certificates, marriage certificates, Death certificates are available. All you have to do in some cases is state that you are doing it for genealogical purposes and the certificate will be stamped as such. I even had someone question me because of information I had used in our family tree. She thought I was stealing her information. It happened that I had not used her information but something distributed by another cousin to me and it was documented. Just some thoughts. Pat Morano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Val" <vcon@ebtech.net> To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [ON-CEM] Policy on cemetery photos > Hi All, > > Interesting discussion as copyright always is in these days. > > I'm not an expert either but I would think that the information is already > out in > the public domain since everyone can view it in the cemetery and therefore > there is no expectation of privacy. Same thing could be said about the > obituaries that are publicized in the newspaper and then listed on the > internet. > If either of these things were legally wrong I would have thought that > sites > that have been on the internet for years would have been shut down by now. > > I've never had a cemetery voice their concerns about taking pictures even > when they know I'm doing it for someone else. To the contrary most of > them are very helpful. > > Just food for thought and discussion. It would be interesting to get a > legal > opinion if there is a copyright lawyer on the list. > > Val > > On 21 Jan 2005, at 1:00, Ron Cushman wrote: > >> There are 2 potential issues with headstones: >> a) privacy of living individuals, (and/or deceased) and >> b) copyright infringement. >> >> a) if a surviving spouse has had their info, (date of birth, name) >> engraved on the marker, it would be inappropriate to publish such >> information on the net (identity theft, etc). In the USA, the >> deceased have no rights re privacy. In Canada, personal information >> is not public domain until AT LEAST 20 years after death. >> >> b) the FACTS, (name, date of death) on a headstone cannot be >> copyrighted. The decorations, phrasing of expression, overall >> appearance can be. The owner of the design would seem to be the >> registered owner of the grave/ headstone, or their heirs would be the >> ones who MIGHT have a basis of objection, should they care to. >> >> If asked, most cemeteries would choose to have you NOT take the photo, >> so that they can avoid the whole question, even if they are not >> directly involved. They don't want to be accused of dereliction of >> duties by allowing the photo to be taken for such a purpose. >> >> All my opinion only (notice me ducking now), not represented as >> expert. >> >> Ron >> >> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:04:17 -0500, Patricia Copeland wrote: >> >> >I have noticed on a number of occasions people volunteering to take >> >photos of headstones in cemeteries and then posting them on the net. >> >Is there a way to go about doing this? Should the owner of the >> >cemetery (i.e. church or municipality) be contacted first? Would >> >this site receive complaints from the OGS? Just curious. >> >> >Pat >> >> >> Ron Cushman >> net-genealogy@rogers.com >> ON, Canada >> >> >> >> >> ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== >> Did you print off your sheet when you joined this list ? >> Got a branch meeting of the OGS or Historical Society ?...let us know >> NO In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com VIRUS OR TEST MESSAGES >> !!! >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >> the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 >> months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> > > ______________________________

I look at photos of tombstones in a historical sense: some stones deteriorate very fast. A timely picture captures the stone in its finest. Sadly, the photographers are not in abundance or in time to capture the stone in its prime and some of our pictures show what time and weather have done.

Dear Sheila, You make me happy and each of the others who responded on this digest and virtually all of the lurkers on your board. I'm sorry that some of us have trouble keeping to the topic of the board. Keep your chin up, cousin! Love, :) Joe :) In a message dated 1/17/2005, 4:17:09 PM, Eastern Standard Time; CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > X-Message: #6 > Date: Monday, January 17, 2005, 13:16:34 -0600 > From: "Robert Thomas" <bbjthomas@worldnet.att.net> > To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ON-CEM] Is it time for a new list administrator? -Please read- > > Your doing just fine......... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GEN" <gendreamer@wightman.ca> > To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:25 PM > Subject: [ON-CEM] Is it time for a new list administrator? -Please read- > >Dear List Members: > > >99% of the time I really enjoy administrating this list, but now I am > wondering if it is time to step down and allow someone else to run it. > > >It is not an easy job trying to be fair to people, making sure > everyone has an equal chance to state his or her opinion. As I am not perfect, I > cannot be expected to make choices that make everyone happy. >