I am looking for a transcription for: William John Franklin b. 17 Feb 1858 d. 18 Feb 1931 and is buried in Hazzards Cemetery, Madoc Township,Hastings County. I do not see a volunteer for this cemetery so I am hoping........ Thank you!!! Regards Willow Brown British Columbia.

If you're going to run a mailing list, you're going to have to develop thicker skin. This is the second issue in less than a month that has got you all warped out of shape. I certainly hope you will continue this well-run and useful mailing list but if it's going to give you that much heartbreak and upset, give it up. Why on earth should you care whether someone wants to duplicate what you're doing? That's the other persons' problem not yours. You can control only yourself so don't waste your time trying to influence others. Why should you be upset that somebody hasn't heard of your website? I've been in computing since before the WWW was part of the Internet and into genealogy almost as long; there are still probably millions of relevant and useful sites and mailing lists I haven't found yet. That's part of the fun. Get over it and get on with life. Bruce ============================================== Bruce Evans M.D. Family Physician and Technical Writer Keep your words both soft and tender, because tomorrow you may have to eat them. -----Original Message----- From: GEN [mailto:gendreamer@wightman.ca] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:57 AM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] Your list Mom is cranky...Please read Dear Listers: I want your opinion of this important item. As most of you already know, this mailing list started a website entitled" Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries" in late March or early April of 2004. With the cooperation of many we have started a website that covers every county and district in Ontario. I would be telling a lie if I stated we had every Cemetery in Ontario covered........we don't but that is our goal. Janet and I made a point of seeking out other cemetery sites and ask the owners if we could link their sites to theirs. They were agreeable. Some sites not only had databases on a cemetery, but also had photos. About two months ago I got wind of a project that I thought was great, a Canada wide cemetery database providing location, transcripts etc. For some unknown reason they have never heard of our site, which I made the project managers aware of. Did I mention this project was launched late October of last year? I cannot understand why this project would want to duplicate work that is already done. Am I wrong for being annoyed? Should Janet and I just pull the plug on our Ontario Cemeteries Resources website when we were here first? I am not against the project, but I am against the duplication of something that is already up and running. The ladies who are in charge of the Ontario section of Canada GenWeb cemetery Project have been nice and have placed a link to our site. I am more than willing to carry the GenWeb banner on our site, but I feel we have been overlooked and snubbed, when{ in my opinion} we should be the official site for Ontario. Sheila List Mom and co-owner of Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries. ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== READ the taglines! Before you ask for a lookup ...check http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

NORTHEASTERN ONTARIO CANADA GRAVEMARKER GALLERY EXPERIENCES TO HELP POTENTIAL CEMETERY PHOTOGRAPHERS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 1. I have been reading the list content over the past week or so and noticed many questions about *Photographing Cemeteries*. Since I have photographed hundreds of cemeteries and posted the pictures on the web site under my signature below ; I thought those folks asking the questions may be interested in some of my experiences. I am not saying they are the only way, but I am saying that many, many folks have sent me accolades for my totally free-access web site. In addition, it is necessary to say....not one person out of 260,000 visitors has sent a negative comment. 2. I am fully aware of the Policy of The Mount Pleasant Group in Toronto and I have heard of another Cemetery in Texas who deny folks from photographing stones (other than family). I have my own opinion on these organizations but that has nothing to do with my web site. 3. I am also aware of the folks from Virginia who photographed cemeteries in Newfoundland; and a company in a County east of Lake Simcoe, and will sell these photos to those willing to pay. (I have my opinions on those enterprises but it has nothing to do with my project.) a. Permission to photograph. There are about 300 fully photographed cemeteries and over 100,000 grave marker photographs on my site. All cemeteries in NIPISSING and PARRY SOUND DISTRICTS are complete and I am well on the way to completing SUDBURY and MANITOULIN DISTRICT; and RENFREW COUNTY. 98% of the cemeteries did not have full time caretakers and I photograph the cemeteries without asking for permission. (No town, village or church has objected so far and I really don't expect anyone to object after 5 years of photographing). For larger City cemeteries like North Bay, Sudbury and Pembroke which have fulltime staff; I pay a visit to the supervisor and explain what I am doing and without exception, they have all been interested, cooperative and supportive. In addition, a cemetery manager told me that he finds my web site very useful as he does not have to run to the cemeteries under his authority to view a gravestone. b. Conflict with OGS Gen Societies. So far there is no such thing. It has been determined by some of the Northeastern Ontario Genealogical Societies (Groups) that my web site compliments their "Cemetery Efforts". In fact, I have made presentations about my web site experiences to two of these Genealogical organizations. These talks apparently were very informative and found to be very interesting to the members present. Please note the comments in the accolades para below. c. Sponsorship. The web site will never have a "for profit" sponsor. I am able to pay all annual costs for the site from my own pension resources and it will always vb free access. One company approached me with a proposal such as visitors would pay $1.00 to download a photograph. I was not interested. d. Voluntary assistance to the site. Volunteers are the salt of the earth. I have folks taking pictures of entire cemeteries in Northeastern Ontario and sending them to me on a CD at the end of their summer's work. Three folks have volunteered to help crop and rename photographs in preparation to go up on the site. Some folks have generously contributed to my "gas account" which helps to offset the costs for gas to get to unphotographed cemeteries 100 miles away or more....! e. Accolades. I do not want to bore you but many messages sent to me have brought a wee tear to me eye and have forced me to put my sore back and sun burned face in my Van and drive for more cemeteries. A couple of these messages are below: * One lady sent a note saying she worked at a nursing home near North Bay and she had brought my web site up on a computer at work and brought several oldtimers, in their wheel chairs to the computer. She said that there was not a dry eye from these folks as they left the room; because they are physically unable to get to the cemetery to see their spouses' gravesite and stone....and that day they were exuberant because they felt like they were right there beside their loved one in the cemetery. * Another lady in a mostly French speaking community west of North Bay sent me a message through her tear filled eyes. She had just brought her Dad, who is now very crippled, to her computer to see my web site. She explained how her Dad could not stop crying as he spent 2 hours looking through all the cemeteries in that area. * Do you have a tear in your eye now too.....? Sigh....... * Here a couple more; * I have moved here to Powassan over 2 years ago to be with my husband and his mother. They are the XXXXX family. Jamie XXXXX was always a person very interested in his ancestors, and he has shown me so much of the area regarding the XXXXXX (mainly Alsace area). When I looked at your website and immediately went to his father's headstone, I couldn't help but cry. Your work will be extremely appreciated. My father died when I was seven, in Morinville Alberta, just north of Edmonton. Since 1969, I've only seen his grave once (1982). I'd love to be brought closer to him in this way. Keep up the wonderful work!! * From a Southern Ontario Gen Soc Chairperson: I have been enjoying your site since 2001. My ancestors lived in the areas where you have been working, and it has been a very valuable aid in my research. I have referred your gallery to countless people. This morning I received a note (below) from the President of The Ontario Genealogical Society. He has just learned about your remarkable site and hastened to pass good news on to all the OGS Branch Chairs. It reminded me that the time is long past when I should write to you and say "Thanks. Well done." * My name is XXXX XXXX. I was raised in North Bay, but now live in XXXXXXX. Some day I will return… Thanks to you I have seen, for the first time, the gravestones of my grandparents, XXXXX XXXX & XXXXXX XXXXX in Sudbury. You also have my aunt, uncle, other grandfather (Wilf XXXXX in North Bay), and parents (XXXXX & XXXXXXX XXXXXXX in North Bay).I know when I spend the time I will find more relatives on your site. I didn’t even know when my grandfather was born (1882), he died before I was born, but I do now. Too much personal stuff here for you to add this to your guestpage, you can if you delete all the names. * Conclusion. The examples of messages and stories that are shown above is a small fraction of the sum. Perhaps folks on the list can understand a little better now as to why Cemeteries Online is a very important part of the Genealogy Hobby. Many folks in the Family Research Hobby agree and hopefully they pass on their moral support to others who are interested in photographing the resting places of our beloved ancestors. * I haved prepared a "Tips and Hints" aide memoire and I promised Sheila I would touch it up and post it in the Mailin List for those folks who are very interested in photographing cmeteries. These tips and hints would save you from lots of bad experiences....! * I apologize for such a long message but I did not have time to write a shorter one. * PS: If you have any specific questions on photographing cemeteries......please don't hesitate to contact me....! Bye for now................M u r r a y P l e t s c h N.E. Ontario G r a v e m a r k e r G a l l e r y http://nocgg.maddoc.net Alt email: gravemarkers@hotmail.com

why is picture taking not off topic when stone cleaning was off topic. I do not like the heavy handed stuff on this list,, I have never run into this type of stuff on any other list And what is the matter with some discussions,, if its in the topic - people can read or delete Linda McLean

Has she been hanging out with Henry William Corney who will be 156 this May 23rd? Cannot find a death date for him. = = = = = = = = = = = = Pat C., BHCD Quakertown, PA US BLUROC1@worldnet.att.net = = = = = = = = = = = = = Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ----- Original Message ----- From: Janine To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [ON-CEM] Your list Mom is cranky...Please read Sheila I think you and Janet have done a wonderful job and I love your site. Please keep it up. I haven't heard of the other site until now. But I do know how you feel as I have done tons of work on things which I have shared with others only to have them put my stuff with theirs on the net and take not only the credit but add lots of errors to it which makes my help to others less since they now thing they got good info. off the web already which could be an error. An example is a transcript which has a lady 149 years old when she died. Janine -----Original Message----- From: GEN [mailto:gendreamer@wightman.ca] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:57 AM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] Your list Mom is cranky...Please read Dear Listers: I want your opinion of this important item. As most of you already know, this mailing list started a website entitled" Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries" in late March or early April of 2004. With the cooperation of many we have started a website that covers every county and district in Ontario. I would be telling a lie if I stated we had every Cemetery in Ontario covered........we don't but that is our goal. Janet and I made a point of seeking out other cemetery sites and ask the owners if we could link their sites to theirs. They were agreeable. Some sites not only had databases on a cemetery, but also had photos. About two months ago I got wind of a project that I thought was great, a Canada wide cemetery database providing location, transcripts etc. For some unknown reason they have never heard of our site, which I made the project managers aware of. Did I mention this project was launched late October of last year? I cannot understand why this project would want to duplicate work that is already done. Am I wrong for being annoyed? Should Janet and I just pull the plug on our Ontario Cemeteries Resources website when we were here first? I am not against the project, but I am against the duplication of something that is already up and running. The ladies who are in charge of the Ontario section of Canada GenWeb cemetery Project have been nice and have placed a link to our site. I am more than willing to carry the GenWeb banner on our site, but I feel we have been overlooked and snubbed, when{ in my opinion} we should be the official site for Ontario. Sheila List Mom and co-owner of Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries. ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== READ the taglines! Before you ask for a lookup ...check http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx ______________________________

Shiela I agree, but people sometimes think since they came up with the idea, they may want full credit. I agree, duplicate listings are foolish and time consuming when it is readily availabe. If you feel you want to accept, I'll go along with that. = = = = = = = = = = = = Pat C., BHCD Quakertown, PA US BLUROC1@worldnet.att.net = = = = = = = = = = = = = Incoming/outgoing mail scanned by Norton 2004 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ----- Original Message ----- From: GEN To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: Your list Mom is cranky...Please read Dear Listers: I want your opinion of this important item. As most of you already know, this mailing list started a website entitled" Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries" in late March or early April of 2004. With the cooperation of many we have started a website that covers every county and district in Ontario. I would be telling a lie if I stated we had every Cemetery in Ontario covered........we don't but that is our goal. Janet and I made a point of seeking out other cemetery sites and ask the owners if we could link their sites to theirs. They were agreeable. Some sites not only had databases on a cemetery, but also had photos. About two months ago I got wind of a project that I thought was great, a Canada wide cemetery database providing location, transcripts etc. For some unknown reason they have never heard of our site, which I made the project managers aware of. Did I mention this project was launched late October of last year? I cannot understand why this project would want to duplicate work that is already done. Am I wrong for being annoyed? Should Janet and I just pull the plug on our Ontario Cemeteries Resources website when we were here first? I am not against the project, but I am against the duplication of something that is already up and running. The ladies who are in charge of the Ontario section of Canada GenWeb cemetery Project have been nice and have placed a link to our site. I am more than willing to carry the GenWeb banner on our site, but I feel we have been overlooked and snubbed, when{ in my opinion} we should be the official site for Ontario. Sheila List Mom and co-owner of Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries. ______________________________

Yes. You can be sued for publishing information on living family members. That doesn't mean you will be. The usual rule of thumb from my understanding is that and following what Ancestry.com does in showing trees is that all living persons are listed only as "Living" and Last Name. No private information. I know this is frustrating but much simpler than a lawsuit. If it is a private family tree, you can ask and I would get a signed letter from each person that it is okay to publish their information. Then it would be permissible to print that material. Pat Morano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Rose" <carolinerrose@yahoo.ca> To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Privacy Act & Publishing > Hello, List, > > I have a few questions to throw out here. I will be publishing a family > history book this year and was wondering if anyone had any "tips" or > things I should know. > > Also, when it comes to publishing information about currently living > family members is there anything I should be aware of according the > Privacy Act? Any legal measures I should take? Keep in mind that I am > asking about Canadian issues that may arise, since I live in Canada. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreicated. > > Sincerely, > > Caroline Rose > Ontario, Canada > > > > > - ------------------------------- > Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals > > ______________________________

I know the original post was about Canada, but in the United States, at least, there is NO PROHIBITION from publishing information on the living by individuals. The privacy act does not even apply to individuals, it applies only to GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. It is these government agencies who are prohibited from giving information. This is why you can't get 1970 census information, for example, because that would have to come from a government agency, which is subject to the privacy act. As an individual, there is no statute barring one from publishing information on the living. If I have my own website, then I can publish any truthful item about a living person, and there is NOTHING they can do about it. Sure, they can sue me...but they can't sue me AND WIN, which is the issue. Anyone can sue anyone for any reason. I could sue my grandpa for being left-handed if I felt like it (it would probably earn me some "contempt of court", but I could still do it). For those that disagree with me about the privacy act, I encourage you to trouble yourself to actually read it first (from the US dept. of Justice website): http://www.usdoj.gov/foia/privstat.htm The ancestry.com policy is just that. It is a policy, not a statute. Any publications of information on the living have nothing to do with this policy in a legal sense, EXCEPT that you should abide by the policy if you are publishing at a website controlled by the policy (i.e., a myfamily.com or subsidiary), else be subject to whatever remedy they see fit. If you doubt the content of the policy, then perhaps you can trouble yourself to read it: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/privacy.html A LOT of people in the USA have the completely erroneous view that individuals are prohibited from publishing information on the living simply because there is something called "The Privacy Act", without ever bothering themselves to read it. I suspect the case is similar for Canada, though know not for certain. Brock Way > Yes. You can be sued for publishing information on > living family members. > That doesn't mean you will be. The usual rule of > thumb from my > understanding is that and following what > Ancestry.com does in showing trees > is that all living persons are listed only as > "Living" and Last Name. No > private information. I know this is frustrating but > much simpler than a > lawsuit. If it is a private family tree, you can > ask and I would get a > signed letter from each person that it is okay to > publish their information. > Then it would be permissible to print that material. > Pat Morano __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Hi Sheila And Janet; No Sheila you and Janet have given us alot of valuable information and I for one really appreciate all you have done. As far as the merging of their Information and yours don't worry about it, try to fix the problem with them. I have put my McCleister family in One World Tree and Ancestry.com in their infinite wisdom has merged a McCready Family with mine and I had to fix quite a bit of info so you see Gen Web is not the only site to screw up the Information Tree. Keep up your terrific work and wisdom. Walt McCann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine" <cjjoud@rogers.com> To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [ON-CEM] Your list Mom is cranky...Please read > Sheila, > > Well here goes on my opinion! > > The Canada Gen Web takes and we all surmise the whole of "Canada", > and is broken down into provinces, and sections of research. > > There is plenty room for GenWeb, and sites such as Ontario Cemeteries > Resources, > I realised this when I was researching in Nova Scotia....there are some > superbly > done shall we say "private" sites of cemeteries, and then there are > those that a carried by GenWeb, which are quality as well, they have been > submitted > by individuals, or linked. > > Yes, there may be duplication, but a lot of researchers prefer the > "private" sites to going full tilt into GenWeb. GenWeb does offer a > lot but one has to know how to manouver about the site, and one > has to know the provinces, and then counties, with the "private" sites > one can get right in, and not have to do much manouvering around, > they can generally get to where they are researching quite quickly. > > GenWeb has been around for ages, as I am sure you know, and > they in my estimation generalize far too much, they are too big to do > anything > else. They are a compilation of different sites. > Myself and I am sure there are many others around who research > as a hobby, my family tree is complete. Always I have preferred to go into > the "private sites". > > I would not even consider pulling the plug on your's and Janet's site, > take the time, go to GenWeb and your site, compare > what is included in both sites, in reference to cemeteries the little bit > I compared yours has much more info, than the whole GenWeb Cemetery > Section. > > If a link has been given on the GenWeb site, I would consider > it more traffic to your site. > > You are not wrong to be annoyed, I would be, but more for the fact of the > claim > that they hadn't heard of your site, I would be gracious like > I think you are and link up the GenWeb site to your site, nothing > ventured nothing gained! > > Christine > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GEN" <gendreamer@wightman.ca> > To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:56 AM > Subject: [ON-CEM] Your list Mom is cranky...Please read > > >> Dear Listers: >> >> I want your opinion of this important item. >> >> As most of you already know, this mailing list started a website >> entitled" >> Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries" in late March or early April of 2004. With >> the cooperation of many we have started a website that covers every >> county >> and district in Ontario. I would be telling a lie if I stated we had >> every >> Cemetery in Ontario covered........we don't but that is our goal. >> >> Janet and I made a point of seeking out other cemetery sites and ask the >> owners if we could link their sites to theirs. They were agreeable. Some >> sites not only had databases on a cemetery, but also had photos. >> >> About two months ago I got wind of a project that I thought was great, a >> Canada wide cemetery database providing location, transcripts etc. >> >> For some unknown reason they have never heard of our site, which I made > the >> project managers aware of. >> >> Did I mention this project was launched late October of last year? >> >> I cannot understand why this project would want to duplicate work that is >> already done. >> >> Am I wrong for being annoyed? >> >> Should Janet and I just pull the plug on our Ontario Cemeteries Resources >> website when we were here first? >> >> I am not against the project, but I am against the duplication of > something >> that is already up and running. >> >> The ladies who are in charge of the Ontario section of Canada GenWeb >> cemetery Project have been nice and have placed a link to our site. >> >> I am more than willing to carry the GenWeb banner on our site, but I feel > we >> have been overlooked and snubbed, when{ in my opinion} we should be the >> official site for Ontario. >> >> Sheila >> >> List Mom and co-owner of Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries. >> >> >> ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== >> READ the taglines! >> Before you ask for a lookup ...check >> http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians >> In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >

Hi Mom, I believe if you let this shut your site down it will be a loss to all of us. You have many of people using your site now and we and all future participants would loose out if you shut down. Unfortunately we can never stop people copying our information. Personally I would still carry the GenWeb banner without any additional wording which I don't think would serve any useful purpose. I would prefer to see your start date of March 2004 put above your update line. Yes you should have been asked to head the Ontario portion of the project but it sounds like they weren't aware of your web site if they didn't link to it until you let them know. The better your site is the more it will be used and I personally go to the sites I like rather than linking all through the GenWeb web links. I don't know if you have a counter on your site but if so my main concern would be that you can tell how many people are using your site whether they come directly or through the GenWeb link? That was you know how much it's being used. Keep up the good work. Your name is on the GenWeb site which makes it obvious where the information is coming from and GenWeb couldn't make a Canada wide site if it wasn't for hard working volunteers like yourself. Chin up.... We all appreciate your time and efforts. Val On 24 Jan 2005, at 9:56, GEN wrote: > Dear Listers: > > I want your opinion of this important item. > > As most of you already know, this mailing list started a website > entitled" Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries" in late March or early April > of 2004. With the cooperation of many we have started a website that > covers every county and district in Ontario. I would be telling a lie > if I stated we had every Cemetery in Ontario covered........we don't > but that is our goal. > > Janet and I made a point of seeking out other cemetery sites and ask > the owners if we could link their sites to theirs. They were > agreeable. Some sites not only had databases on a cemetery, but also > had photos. > > About two months ago I got wind of a project that I thought was great, > a Canada wide cemetery database providing location, transcripts etc. > > For some unknown reason they have never heard of our site, which I > made the project managers aware of. > > Did I mention this project was launched late October of last year? > > I cannot understand why this project would want to duplicate work that > is already done. > > Am I wrong for being annoyed? > > Should Janet and I just pull the plug on our Ontario Cemeteries > Resources website when we were here first? > > I am not against the project, but I am against the duplication of > something that is already up and running. > > The ladies who are in charge of the Ontario section of Canada GenWeb > cemetery Project have been nice and have placed a link to our site. > > I am more than willing to carry the GenWeb banner on our site, but I > feel we have been overlooked and snubbed, when{ in my opinion} we > should be the official site for Ontario. > > Sheila > > List Mom and co-owner of Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries. > > > ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ====

Sheila, Well here goes on my opinion! The Canada Gen Web takes and we all surmise the whole of "Canada", and is broken down into provinces, and sections of research. There is plenty room for GenWeb, and sites such as Ontario Cemeteries Resources, I realised this when I was researching in Nova Scotia....there are some superbly done shall we say "private" sites of cemeteries, and then there are those that a carried by GenWeb, which are quality as well, they have been submitted by individuals, or linked. Yes, there may be duplication, but a lot of researchers prefer the "private" sites to going full tilt into GenWeb. GenWeb does offer a lot but one has to know how to manouver about the site, and one has to know the provinces, and then counties, with the "private" sites one can get right in, and not have to do much manouvering around, they can generally get to where they are researching quite quickly. GenWeb has been around for ages, as I am sure you know, and they in my estimation generalize far too much, they are too big to do anything else. They are a compilation of different sites. Myself and I am sure there are many others around who research as a hobby, my family tree is complete. Always I have preferred to go into the "private sites". I would not even consider pulling the plug on your's and Janet's site, take the time, go to GenWeb and your site, compare what is included in both sites, in reference to cemeteries the little bit I compared yours has much more info, than the whole GenWeb Cemetery Section. If a link has been given on the GenWeb site, I would consider it more traffic to your site. You are not wrong to be annoyed, I would be, but more for the fact of the claim that they hadn't heard of your site, I would be gracious like I think you are and link up the GenWeb site to your site, nothing ventured nothing gained! Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "GEN" <gendreamer@wightman.ca> To: <CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:56 AM Subject: [ON-CEM] Your list Mom is cranky...Please read > Dear Listers: > > I want your opinion of this important item. > > As most of you already know, this mailing list started a website entitled" > Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries" in late March or early April of 2004. With > the cooperation of many we have started a website that covers every county > and district in Ontario. I would be telling a lie if I stated we had every > Cemetery in Ontario covered........we don't but that is our goal. > > Janet and I made a point of seeking out other cemetery sites and ask the > owners if we could link their sites to theirs. They were agreeable. Some > sites not only had databases on a cemetery, but also had photos. > > About two months ago I got wind of a project that I thought was great, a > Canada wide cemetery database providing location, transcripts etc. > > For some unknown reason they have never heard of our site, which I made the > project managers aware of. > > Did I mention this project was launched late October of last year? > > I cannot understand why this project would want to duplicate work that is > already done. > > Am I wrong for being annoyed? > > Should Janet and I just pull the plug on our Ontario Cemeteries Resources > website when we were here first? > > I am not against the project, but I am against the duplication of something > that is already up and running. > > The ladies who are in charge of the Ontario section of Canada GenWeb > cemetery Project have been nice and have placed a link to our site. > > I am more than willing to carry the GenWeb banner on our site, but I feel we > have been overlooked and snubbed, when{ in my opinion} we should be the > official site for Ontario. > > Sheila > > List Mom and co-owner of Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries. > > > ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > READ the taglines! > Before you ask for a lookup ...check > http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians > In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Sheila; It baffles me why anyone would take on the job that you and other volunteers are doing when it is already being done. It certainly would make more sense to help in the existing project rather than start anew. Goodness knows there is lots of info out there that needs to be made available online without duplicating what is already there. I agree with what has already been said on the matter. You and your hard working volunteers should not quit now....all that had work gone down the drain? And those who are waiting for new info to come online would be disappointed. A question.....is this new Canada wide site also hosted by rootsweb? If so, then they should take the responsibility to co-ordinate activities to avoid such duplication. It certainly makes more sense to have this info listed province by province" and would likely end up that way so it would make more sense for volunteers to join the existing effort rather than repeat the work If their intent is to eventually charge for info then they will lose in the end and free info will survive and you, Janet and the others will have the satisfaction of providing valuable info many genealogists who can't always afford to pay for it. Keep it going......now would not be the time to stop! You are doing a great service to all. Gordon Harris Midhurst, Ontario, Canada Researching: HARRIS, GREEN, BOWLBY, COOMBER, BIRCH, SWAYZE, SMITH, BOUGHNER, MORRIS, CALDWELL, CASELEY, MCRAE in Canada, England, Scotland, Germany, United States, & Wales. -------Original Message------- From: GEN Date: 01/24/05 09:58:42 To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] Your list Mom is cranky...Please read Dear Listers: I want your opinion of this important item. As most of you already know, this mailing list started a website entitled" Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries" in late March or early April of 2004. With the cooperation of many we have started a website that covers every county and district in Ontario. I would be telling a lie if I stated we had every Cemetery in Ontario covered........we don't but that is our goal. Janet and I made a point of seeking out other cemetery sites and ask the owners if we could link their sites to theirs. They were agreeable. Some sites not only had databases on a cemetery, but also had photos. About two months ago I got wind of a project that I thought was great, a Canada wide cemetery database providing location, transcripts etc. For some unknown reason they have never heard of our site, which I made the project managers aware of. Did I mention this project was launched late October of last year? I cannot understand why this project would want to duplicate work that is already done. Am I wrong for being annoyed? Should Janet and I just pull the plug on our Ontario Cemeteries Resources website when we were here first? I am not against the project, but I am against the duplication of something that is already up and running. The ladies who are in charge of the Ontario section of Canada GenWeb cemetery Project have been nice and have placed a link to our site. I am more than willing to carry the GenWeb banner on our site, but I feel we have been overlooked and snubbed, when{ in my opinion} we should be the official site for Ontario. Sheila List Mom and co-owner of Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries. ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== READ the taglines! Before you ask for a lookup ...check http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

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It is NOT The OGS project I am upset with. I support the OGS in all ways. OK folks, so that you know. I am also a member of the OGS too. Sheila

Let the webpage 'Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries' remain as it is as it is growing in popularity. If the Canada wide page wants to give a link to your page fine. It seems that everytime something goes Canada wide it gets too big & unmanageable. And besides, you were there first. I am a Kent County volunteer on your page and like things the way they are at the present, just Ontario. GEN wrote: > Dear Listers: > > I want your opinion of this important item. > > As most of you already know, this mailing list started a website > entitled" Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries" in late March or early April > of 2004. With the cooperation of many we have started a website that > covers every county and district in Ontario. I would be telling a lie > if I stated we had every Cemetery in Ontario covered........we don't > but that is our goal. > > Janet and I made a point of seeking out other cemetery sites and ask > the owners if we could link their sites to theirs. They were > agreeable. Some sites not only had databases on a cemetery, but also > had photos. > > About two months ago I got wind of a project that I thought was great, > a Canada wide cemetery database providing location, transcripts etc. > > For some unknown reason they have never heard of our site, which I > made the project managers aware of. > > Did I mention this project was launched late October of last year? > > I cannot understand why this project would want to duplicate work that > is already done. > > Am I wrong for being annoyed? > > Should Janet and I just pull the plug on our Ontario Cemeteries > Resources website when we were here first? > > I am not against the project, but I am against the duplication of > something that is already up and running. > > The ladies who are in charge of the Ontario section of Canada GenWeb > cemetery Project have been nice and have placed a link to our site. > > I am more than willing to carry the GenWeb banner on our site, but I > feel we have been overlooked and snubbed, when{ in my opinion} we > should be the official site for Ontario. > > Sheila > > List Mom and co-owner of Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries. -- Bob === Robert Neil Chatham-Kent, ON rneil@sympatico.ca

Hi Sheila: I love our site. Pls. keep it going. Those of us volunteer to give the actual transcriptions of tombstones in the cemeteries in our area. If you are talking about the OGS project, i just took a look there, and they only provide an index. The purpose of the index (I believe) is to give a complete index of all cemeteries. The OCFA is not complete, and the person who runs this page has not updated it in a long time. I know for a fact, there are more cemeteries that have been given to him, and he has done nothing about it. The OGS just want to make sure, they are all covered and available to the general public. I don't feel for a minute that we are duplicating any site. Ours is unique. Lorie

Sheila I think you and Janet have done a wonderful job and I love your site. Please keep it up. I haven't heard of the other site until now. But I do know how you feel as I have done tons of work on things which I have shared with others only to have them put my stuff with theirs on the net and take not only the credit but add lots of errors to it which makes my help to others less since they now thing they got good info. off the web already which could be an error. An example is a transcript which has a lady 149 years old when she died. Janine -----Original Message----- From: GEN [mailto:gendreamer@wightman.ca] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:57 AM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] Your list Mom is cranky...Please read Dear Listers: I want your opinion of this important item. As most of you already know, this mailing list started a website entitled" Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries" in late March or early April of 2004. With the cooperation of many we have started a website that covers every county and district in Ontario. I would be telling a lie if I stated we had every Cemetery in Ontario covered........we don't but that is our goal. Janet and I made a point of seeking out other cemetery sites and ask the owners if we could link their sites to theirs. They were agreeable. Some sites not only had databases on a cemetery, but also had photos. About two months ago I got wind of a project that I thought was great, a Canada wide cemetery database providing location, transcripts etc. For some unknown reason they have never heard of our site, which I made the project managers aware of. Did I mention this project was launched late October of last year? I cannot understand why this project would want to duplicate work that is already done. Am I wrong for being annoyed? Should Janet and I just pull the plug on our Ontario Cemeteries Resources website when we were here first? I am not against the project, but I am against the duplication of something that is already up and running. The ladies who are in charge of the Ontario section of Canada GenWeb cemetery Project have been nice and have placed a link to our site. I am more than willing to carry the GenWeb banner on our site, but I feel we have been overlooked and snubbed, when{ in my opinion} we should be the official site for Ontario. Sheila List Mom and co-owner of Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries. ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== READ the taglines! Before you ask for a lookup ...check http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hello, List, I have a few questions to throw out here. I will be publishing a family history book this year and was wondering if anyone had any "tips" or things I should know. Also, when it comes to publishing information about currently living family members is there anything I should be aware of according the Privacy Act? Any legal measures I should take? Keep in mind that I am asking about Canadian issues that may arise, since I live in Canada. Any suggestions would be greatly appreicated. Sincerely, Caroline Rose Ontario, Canada --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Dear Listers: I want your opinion of this important item. As most of you already know, this mailing list started a website entitled" Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries" in late March or early April of 2004. With the cooperation of many we have started a website that covers every county and district in Ontario. I would be telling a lie if I stated we had every Cemetery in Ontario covered........we don't but that is our goal. Janet and I made a point of seeking out other cemetery sites and ask the owners if we could link their sites to theirs. They were agreeable. Some sites not only had databases on a cemetery, but also had photos. About two months ago I got wind of a project that I thought was great, a Canada wide cemetery database providing location, transcripts etc. For some unknown reason they have never heard of our site, which I made the project managers aware of. Did I mention this project was launched late October of last year? I cannot understand why this project would want to duplicate work that is already done. Am I wrong for being annoyed? Should Janet and I just pull the plug on our Ontario Cemeteries Resources website when we were here first? I am not against the project, but I am against the duplication of something that is already up and running. The ladies who are in charge of the Ontario section of Canada GenWeb cemetery Project have been nice and have placed a link to our site. I am more than willing to carry the GenWeb banner on our site, but I feel we have been overlooked and snubbed, when{ in my opinion} we should be the official site for Ontario. Sheila List Mom and co-owner of Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries.

I agree on the being snubbed but if you pull the plug then they have actually gotten what they started out to do. Under their banner I would put "While we started this project in 2004 by numerous other volunteers and were the 1st Ontario wide cemetery site, we have graciously agreed to post our site in reference to Ontario Genweb" You are the first Ontario cemetery based web site, there's no doubt of that and a wonderful site too.!@ to pull the plus would be a great loss. Patti -----Original Message----- From: GEN [mailto:gendreamer@wightman.ca] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 8:57 AM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] Your list Mom is cranky...Please read Dear Listers: I want your opinion of this important item. As most of you already know, this mailing list started a website entitled" Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries" in late March or early April of 2004. With the cooperation of many we have started a website that covers every county and district in Ontario. I would be telling a lie if I stated we had every Cemetery in Ontario covered........we don't but that is our goal. Janet and I made a point of seeking out other cemetery sites and ask the owners if we could link their sites to theirs. They were agreeable. Some sites not only had databases on a cemetery, but also had photos. About two months ago I got wind of a project that I thought was great, a Canada wide cemetery database providing location, transcripts etc. For some unknown reason they have never heard of our site, which I made the project managers aware of. Did I mention this project was launched late October of last year? I cannot understand why this project would want to duplicate work that is already done. Am I wrong for being annoyed? Should Janet and I just pull the plug on our Ontario Cemeteries Resources website when we were here first? I am not against the project, but I am against the duplication of something that is already up and running. The ladies who are in charge of the Ontario section of Canada GenWeb cemetery Project have been nice and have placed a link to our site. I am more than willing to carry the GenWeb banner on our site, but I feel we have been overlooked and snubbed, when{ in my opinion} we should be the official site for Ontario. Sheila List Mom and co-owner of Gateway to Ontario Cemeteries. ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== READ the taglines! Before you ask for a lookup ...check http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians In search of site: http://ocml0.tripod.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx