Hi, Bracebridge is in the District of Muskoka, Ontario. Gordon -------Original Message------- From: Carol McNerney Date: 09/27/04 21:41:46 To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] Cemetery Lookup Requestuest Hello: I was wondering if you could tell me which County or District Bracebridge would be in. I have a couple of family members buried in Bracebridge but I don't know which cemetery or where to go about looking it up. There names are Elizabeth Fenn, nee McNerney. She was married to Frank Fenn from Muskoka. The other one is Dorothy Fenn, nee McNerney. She was married to Harold Fenn of Muskoka Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Carol ===== All the bestCarol ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== READ the taglines! Before you ask for a lookup ...check http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello: I was wondering if you could tell me which County or District Bracebridge would be in. I have a couple of family members buried in Bracebridge but I don't know which cemetery or where to go about looking it up. There names are Elizabeth Fenn, nee McNerney. She was married to Frank Fenn from Muskoka. The other one is Dorothy Fenn, nee McNerney. She was married to Harold Fenn of Muskoka Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Carol ===== All the bestCarol

Hello everyone, I was wondering if there might be someone else who had access to Woodlawn records? The contact listed for this area said they only had access to St. Joseph's RC Cemetery in Guelph. Names: Cemetery: County: Township: Reference # Gault, John Woodlawn, Guelph - Block N Wellington Guelph WW-4322 Gault, Mary Woodlawn, Guelph -Block N Wellington Guelph WW-4322 Thank you, Cathy Dunn 225-3272 _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

I thought that I saw a posting to this mailing list made a few days ago, concerning look up for David Brophey family possibly near Grand Bend and/or Stephen Tp of Huron Co. I thought sender was a WH Smith and I've inadvertently deleted the email. As I recall she wasn't sure if Grand Bend was Huron or Middlesex Co. If you could repost your question, I may be able to help, as David was my aunt's grandfather. If I've posted back to wrong mailing list(s) I apologize. Thanks, -- Brian Hurdle; London, Ontario, Canada Email: bhurdle@multiboard.com Web - http://www.start.ca/users/bhurdle/ Research: Fretz, Giles, Haskell, Hunt, Hurdle, Kendall, Yeatman Webring - The Haskells on the Net Email & attachments are certified virus free.

I need a look up for these two listings. Thank you. Carol Lee FARRELL, Catherine St. John's Roman Catholic / Minto Pioneer Wellington Peel WW-4357 FARRELL, Patrick St. John's Roman Catholic / Minto Pioneer Wellington Peel WW-4357 Always searching for in Canada, Ireland, North Dakota,Minnesota A' H E A R N \ O ' H E A R N \ C O N L I N \ D U N N E \ F E R G U S O N \ S W E E N E Y V A L E N T I N E \S T. C R O I X Always searching for in Chicago, IL, Germ any; G I E R Z \ A L M \ B O E R N E R \ S T A H L \ H E L D T \ F E I S T N E R K R U E G E R \ S C H U L T Z Always searching for in Tennessee, Virginia, Kentucky R A D F O R D / E S T E S / H A Y E S / S H A R P/ E A R H A R T/ O B R I A N T T H O M P S O N / C U R D / C L O Y D --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.769 / Virus Database: 516 - Release Date: 9/24/04

It appears there is no volunteer for this particular section of the cemetery ... Does anyone have access to the transcripts for Woodland Cemetery, Wentworth County, Flamborough East, Ref # HM-337-2 I am looking for details on the Charles William O'Neal buried there. Any help greatly appreciated. Sheila Davidson Orangeville ON Volunteer of Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.raogk.org/ Volunteer of Dufferin County GenWeb, Free Look-ups at http://www.rootsweb.com/~onduffer/dufferin.html Volunteer of Ontario Cemeteries website, for Dufferin County at http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians/

Hi folks, I don't know about other volunteers, but I am constantly bombarded with "I think this is her" queries, do a couple hours of research (volunteering..... not paid.....) and it ends up not being the person. Not quite a complete waste of time, as I can add information to my database, but I probably could've used my time better. An wise genealogist passed on a tip he uses and I thought I'd pass it along in case others didn't know about it. Here's what is suggested when looking for a married woman, knowing her maiden name. In the OCFA, enter "Connie SMITH" (married surname) copy and paste results into a spreadsheet; in OCFA, enter "Connie BROWN" (maiden surname) copy and paste into a spreadsheet, then sort the spreadsheet by cemetery. If you have a Connie Smith and a Connie Brown listed as being in the same cemetery, he concluded, this should tell you that this could more likely be the female is as she'll be listed by her maiden name and her married name. This tip may at least stop a few requests using the process of elimination... I would love to hear more tips on finding our descendants using the OCFA (I'm so grateful the OCFA exists!!!!) Best wishes, Jan jjones@bam.on.ca "Every little obit helps" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~janjones/ObitsHome.htm

I posted back in April that I had the pictures of Boyles Cemetery, York Co., up. Now I have finished with the First Markham Baptist Cemetery on the 9th line in Markham. The pages are still under construction but you can see either cemetery photos from http://ca.geocities.com/birkita Enjoy Jennifer Johnson --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

I wonder if SKS in the vicinity of this cemetery would be kind enough to check out the gravesite of my g.aunt. The info I can supply as follows: Martha (Knox) ROY b. 1852 w/o Louis ROY. She was born in Bristol, Pontiac Co. and died some time after 1890. The burial site info I have is OT-78-07. 1881 shows the family living in McNabb Twp, Renfrew S. In 1901 Louis and their six daughters are living in Arnprior. Any info will be appreciated. Sincerely Freda Stewart Calgary

Would any one be able to do some look ups for me in the Lieury Baptist Cemetery and the Parkhill Union Cemetery? Wilma Smith Brandon, MB

==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== The following addresses rubbings, chemicals, spraying, etc of grave markers, and carved stones in general. From "Photographing Carved Stones", by Tom E Gray and Lesley M Ferguson, (The National Committee on the Carved Stones of Scotland, in association with Historic Scotland) (c) 1997, The Pinkfoot Press, Balgavies, Angus. ISBN: 1-874012- 14-8 From the foreward, "The Protection of Carved Stones", by Ingval Maxwell, Director, Technical Conservation, Research and Education Division, Historic Scotland. "Historic stone surfaces may be surprisingly friable or tend to delaminate. The roots of mosses and lichens in particular can be deeply embedded into the stones, and removal by brushing or scraping can blur important historic detail, or efface it permanently. Similarly, the abrasion required by the application of chalk, making of presses, moulds or rubbings can lead to grain loss. Irreversible damage and discoloration can also be caused by waxes and dyes, even when carried out by those who want to appreciate the beauty of the stones. Spraying with chemicals, or just wetting with water, can introduce harmful salts into delicate stones, and make them susceptible to frost and crystallisation damage, and accelerate decay......... It is precisely because it does not require physical contact or intervention that photography is such a valuable primary tool for recording the condition of historic carved stones." (sent with list Mom approval) ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== Ron Cushman net-genealogy@rogers.com ON, Canada

Hi gang I am in the middle of taking pictures of all stones in Stephenson Township, Muskoka and transcribing the cemeteries. I am also lucky enough to have some of the cemetery records for the 2 big cemeteries here. If anyone needs a look up please email me. I am on the list of volunteers for this township also. Janine

I have discovered through obits that two of my great aunts who were buried in the late 1950s in cemeteries have no stones and the cemetery caretakers had no record of them in their cemeteries. Additionally, from the obits wherein the name of the cemetery was detailed I learned of the name of the funeral homes involved. Their funeral home records confirmed everything in the obits, but no one could tell me where they were buried in the cemeteries in question. It is perhaps instructive to look more closely at family friends even decades after the loved one's passing. Unrelated names can pop up and you may discover as I did that someone once paid for the "perpetual care" and the name of that someone usually reveals one of their relatives' cemetery plots, and from there you can deduce where your loved one is probabl buried. -----Original Message----- From: Beverley Rittwage [mailto:brittw5188@rogers.com] Sent: September 17, 2004 9:10 AM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] Arthur Rittwage 1912 Hello list, could anyone tell me if it was possible that people were burying people in their backyards still in 1912? I have searched many area cemeteries for my great Uncle Arthur Rittwage and haven't had any results yet. His parents, brother and brother's wife are in the Woods cemetery Northumberland, nearest to where they resided, but I cannot find his. If anyone knows of the laws regarding having to bury people in cemeteries could you please inform me? Thankyou. Beverley ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== READ THE TAGLINES! BEFORE you ask for a lookups check out http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In one of the last 2 family tree maker magazines there is a wonderful article with pictures on how to do rubbings ~Claire Grant Sioux Falls SD Genealogy~ Practice of confusing the dead & irritating the living. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

In one of the last 2 family tree maker magazines there is a wonderful article with pictures on how to do rubbings ~Claire Grant Sioux Falls SD Genealogy~ Practice of confusing the dead & irritating the living. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

I do not feel that I am censoring any one for stating their opinion on any subject. It is my belief that this thread was stirring up some real negative feels toward other people. This is not allowed on anyone list. One of the rules for this list is "* DO NOT impose any other rules or conditions, expressed or implied elsewhere, upon this list. Rules of other forums may not necessarily apply here. Do not try to regulate this list. If you do not like the way someone formats their queries or responses, or the content of their subject titles, take it up with the listowner[ shilll@wightman.ca ], NOT in the list." Again if you disagree with what I have said, you are most welcomed to contact me 'off the list'. If you feel I have been unfair you are welcomed to u to rootsweb.com and take it up with them or unsubscribe . As stated early, let's get onto other things. It thank everyone for your understand on this issue. Sheila List Administrator.

I, too, was beginning to find the topic of bringing up the writing on tombstones to be boring. However, I find censorship far more evil. We all have a little "X" on our task bar that lets us delete messages before or after we read them. Although I neither contributed to or got anything from the thread in question, I stongly object to its being censored and further discussion of the topic forbidden. Bruce ============================================== Bruce Evans M.D. Family Physician and Technical Writer "Never Underestimate the power of very stupid people in large numbers." -----Original Message----- From: Minto_Gal [mailto:samhill@wightman.ca] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:38 PM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ON-CEM] Time to move on --Please read-list mom Dear folks : It is time to move off the subject of methods to bring up the writing on a tombstone. I thank everyone for their input. I will as promised,post and expert advise on this subject once a reply has been received. Some of the posting are getting a little testy now. This thread is now over. Anyone who wishes to continues has to choices. 1. to contact me off list at shill@wightman.ca OR 2. if they continue, to be unsubscribe from this list after receiving a personal warning from me.

Actually, in the case I mentioned, this was not a transcription of the headstones; it was the original burial register. He never was buried in that cemetery, he is buried in a different cemetery, and the current keeper of the burial register has no explanation as to why his name is listed in the register. It does not list a burial plot... maybe they just *wished* that he was in THEIR cemetery ;-) although I think not. He was a real black sheep, having (among other things) tried to murder his wife (by poison) while he ran off with another woman. Fortunately, she was found in time, doctored, and survived, but the unborn child she carried did not. It was this same burial register that has another buried child's name wrong, having listed her father's name instead of hers. I have yet another great-grandfather who is not listed anywhere in any register or transcription in the county, but we know that he was buried between my great-grandmother (who does have a stone there) and his second wife, who does NOT have a stone. Nor is there a stone for him, other than a large family stone with only the last name on it. It took a great deal of detective work to find him, and now we will place a small stone on his (and another on his second wife's) plot. There are at least three (that I know of) who were buried, disinterred, and reburied. One was the third wife of one of my g-g-grandfathers who outlived him and wanted each of her two husbands beside her, with her in between. Another pair were buried and then, after their daughter married a man who owned a cemetery two states away, they dug them up and reinterred them there. I'm sure there are lots of stories like that floating around, although that does not seem to be as common a practice as I am lead to believe it was back a few generations. My own stone should be a boon to other genealogical searchers, and I wish that everybody would adopt this as a standard. It has my name, birth and death dates (well, the death date will be placed on it when they know what it is...) plus, on the back side: "Daughter of..." "Mother of..." "Sister of..." SOME genealogist sometime is going to appreciate that, and, meanwhile, I have great satisfaction knowing that I have done it! It just doesn't cost that much extra to put that information on it! So, if you love genealogy, leave that gift for your family, too. Nancy Heather Bertram wrote: >Transcript indexes list every name that is one a headstone whether or >not they are burried there. > >i.e. > >Mary Smith, 1900-1980, beloved wife of John Smith. > >Mary is buried here but not John. He will show up in the trancript >index and any cemetery finding aid. > > > >Heather in Orillia >Check http://www.rootsweb.com/~onvsr/ >For Ontario Birth, Marriages & Deaths > > > >

Thanks you Gary. This is a very informative site. Maybe now we can get on with other postings. Dawn on a beautiful sunset night in Toronto Canada -----Original Message----- From: G. J. Vincent [mailto:ny2nj2co@att.net] Sent: September 17, 2004 6:29 PM To: CA-ONT-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ON-CEM] Shaving cream on tombstones Brock Way wrote: > > Shaving cream simply does NOT harm the tombstone, and > if washed away, does NOT leave any residue. Think > about it - the principle solvent in the can is water > (it is the #1 ingredient), and the other ingredients > do not partition in the can. So how could the same > ingredients magically become insoluble in the SAME > solvent when applied in even greater volume later? > That notion simply defies the laws of physics. > Folks, I'm just an engineer, not an expert on stones. However, I do have some knowledge of physics and chemistry (organic and inorganic), and I know the difference between an emulsion and a solution. Shaving cream contains several organic acids, numerous oils, dyes, propylene glycol, and various glycerides. Some of these penetrate the stone matrix, and do NOT simply rinse off. They can damage the stone, or become nutrients for various organisms that can also be harmful. The Association for Gravestone Studies (http://www.gravestonestudies.org/), among others, state that shaving cream should NEVER be used on stones. I am more inclined to believe them than some unidentified source. Lacking any authoritative data to the contrary, I would never put anything other than light and water on a stone. If there is enough indentation to fill with shaving cream, chalk (an abrasive), or other foreign material, those same hollows can be filled with shadow by using grazing illumination. With only light touching the stone, I KNOW that I have done no harm. Gary Vincent Colorado, USA ==== CA-ONT-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== READ the taglines! Before you ask for a lookup ...check http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~silentguardians ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Dear folks : It is time to move off the subject of methods to bring up the writing on a tombstone. I thank everyone for their input. I will as promised,post and expert advise on this subject once a reply has been received. Some of the posting are getting a little testy now. This thread is now over. Anyone who wishes to continues has to choices. 1. to contact me off list at shill@wightman.ca OR 2. if they continue, to be unsubscribe from this list after receiving a personal warning from me. A special thank-you to: J. Brian Gilchrist whose opinions and expertise I admire and respect. To clarify a statement I made regarding vandalism to stone . This is what I base that statement on. 78. (1) Any person who, in a cemetery, damages or moves any tree, plant, marker, fence, structure or other thing usually erected, planted or placed in a cemetery is liable to the cemetery owner and any interment rights holder who, as a result, incurs damage. R.S.O. 1990, c. C.4, s. 78 (1). Sheila <List Mom>