Mary of Melbourne,, since my 7th generation grandfather was John Murray yates and his mother was Elizabeth Murray who was a Virginia Murray, i feel some kinship, so i will research in our library for your John Murray, we have a wonderful genealogy library here in Independence, Mo. one of the best in the United States, give me a little time as am going to take a trip to california to pick up a fifthwheel trailer we ordered from a factory out there, but will not forget you, a possible cuz Abigail