Howdy, I started working up the distances &c. to CA via the Northern Trails. Then I remembered that probably most of you folks weren't around when I previously posted the Southern Trail distances from St. Louis to California. Before launching my little Northern Trails distances, let me re-post(acutally retype - can't find my old post) in skeleton form the Table from Joseph E. WARE's "The Emigrants' Guide to California"(St.Louis:J.Halsall-1849?): "TABLE OF DISTANCES FROM ST. LOUIS TO CALIFORNIA, BY WAY OF NEW MEXICO Southern Route To Independence................................................................ 400 miles Crossing of Big Arksansa .................................................. 350 Bent's Fort (ascending Arkansas) ........................................ 225 Santa Fe ........................................................................... 270 Rio Del Norte at San Phillipi ................................................ 30 Albuquerque crossing (Del Norte) ......................................... 35 Descending right bank (Rio Del Norte)[Rio Grande] ........... 210 Copper Mines [Santa Rita] ................................................. 75 River Gila ......................................................................... 40 Pimo village (Indian habitations) ........................................... 500 Mouth of Gila entereing the Colorado .................................... 165 Crossing Colorado [Uma?]................................................... 10 Crossing Cornado (first water) .............................................. 100 First Ranchero in California [Warner's???] .............................. 65 San Diego on Pacific shore ................................................... 45 To San Luis Rey (Mission) .................................................... 46 Pueblo or City of Angels ....................................................... 100 Santa Barbara ..................................................................... 100 Monterey (Capital of California) .............................................. 310 River Rio Selina .................................................................... 15 Rio San Joaquin ................................................................... 85 Rio Tuwaleme ...................................................................... 12 Rio Stanishlow ..................................................................... 10 Sutter's Fort ......................................................................... 90 Total distance from St. Louis to Sutter's Fort ............................3,318 miles" NOTE: Let me again thank Tammy<[email protected]> for getting me parts of the WARE book. Remember that 3,318 mile figure to compare with Northern Trails.Also, I wonder if in the goldrush era, St. Louis was 400 miles from Independence???: Northern Trails distances coming up in a couple of days - I hope:-)) Bob Norris in Dallas <BNorris166aol.com>