Steve, Too bad your COOLEY is not WOOLEY.:)))) I'm interested in your HILL's, especially with this MO>CA and back connection [on the Panama] route. My Mary Virginia HILL and her brother John C HILL, crossed from Clark Co MO, via steamship to Isthmus in 1854 to CA. Mary & John's uncle [Capt Granderson "Grant" R Winfrey HILL] owned or captained a steamship during this time. It is believed that the uncle made a trip to CA by ship in 1850. That is the time that is believed that the father of Mary & John also came to CA. The father, John Christopher HILL, died sometime before Sep 1853. The mother, Casandra Melinda FLOYD-HILL remarried a William Harrison ORR [undeterred if this happened in MO or CA, before or after Casandra & the 2 children made the trip to CA in 1854]. I'm still looking for some death information on John Christopher HILL, don't know how he died, where he died or where his body may be resting. From guardianship documents filed in Clark Co MO in Sep of 1853, is how an approximate death date has been established. It would appear that he had holdings in MO, and may have been involved in something other/and/or than mining in CA during the approximate 3 years he was there. He was a very young man at his death, 36 years old. It appears that he did not bring his family with him in 1850. Any one that can shed any light on this family would be greatly appreciated. Nancy in OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Waters To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 11:37 PM Subject: [GOLDRUSH] (Goldrush) - COOLEY, HILL Seeking info on: Miller COOLEY. He went overland from MO to CA in 1849 to look for Gold. He did well & returned to MO in about a year with gold bars. Return route: Took a boat from San Francisco to the Ismus. Walked across Ismus and took a boat to New Orleans. Two that probably traveled with him were Gideon Coleman Hill and Daniel Nodding Hill. Would appreciate any help or suggestions on sites I should be searching. Steve Waters Web Page http://www.foxinternet.net/web2/steveh2os ==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== Automatic Administrative Reminder: Rootsweb no longer accepts HTML coding, Enriched text, or Attachments on email messages. Your cooperation will help save Rootsweb equipment to serve us all another day.

Seeking info on: Miller COOLEY. He went overland from MO to CA in 1849 to look for Gold. He did well & returned to MO in about a year with gold bars. Return route: Took a boat from San Francisco to the Ismus. Walked across Ismus and took a boat to New Orleans. Two that probably traveled with him were Gideon Coleman Hill and Daniel Nodding Hill. Would appreciate any help or suggestions on sites I should be searching. Steve Waters Web Page http://www.foxinternet.net/web2/steveh2os

Marilyn, Donna, and others who want history and seem to think I don't, Enough, already! My first post to Tim was a request to just include things that were genealogy-related. People with any genealogical experience should know, without it being pointed out, that history is one of those things. In fact, anything that affected the lives of our ancestors or other relations is related to genealogy. "Chaff," which I implied should be left out, simply means "trivial and worthless." (American Heritage Dictionary) So, in the simplest terms I can think of at 12:57 am, what I asked of Tim was that he include from the diaries those things that were related to the lives of our ancestors and to leave out that which was trivial and worthless. Why anyone should be either confused or annoyed at that request, either in this or the original form, is a mystery to me. Please don't try to explain--we've wasted enough time already. Let this be the end. Jim

Yeah!!!!! Go Tim. Nancy in OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim I. Purdy To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 5:30 PM Subject: [GOLDRUSH] Tunison diaries Okay, got the messages, I am working on it, will post certain extracts of interest, after all when I located the diaries and had them copied, they take up half of a file cabinent drawer. Hopefully, either this evening or tomorrow, will start posting as time permits. Sorry, it was not my intention for this to become issue, its just been a long time, since we have had some material like this posted, and thought some folks would enjoy the same. I had sent copies of them to Bob Norris, and he enjoyed them, and encouraged me to post it, just never really had an opportunity, at the moment, I have some free time. Tim Purdy, in a very chilly Susanville, California ==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== Automatic Administrative Reminder: Your Support Keeps RootsWeb Free! Subscribe now by contacting: http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html Several different "levels" of membership, and all help to keep Rootsweb materials and lists available for genealogists.

Mary of Melbourne,, since my 7th generation grandfather was John Murray yates and his mother was Elizabeth Murray who was a Virginia Murray, i feel some kinship, so i will research in our library for your John Murray, we have a wonderful genealogy library here in Independence, Mo. one of the best in the United States, give me a little time as am going to take a trip to california to pick up a fifthwheel trailer we ordered from a factory out there, but will not forget you, a possible cuz Abigail

Okay, got the messages, I am working on it, will post certain extracts of interest, after all when I located the diaries and had them copied, they take up half of a file cabinent drawer. Hopefully, either this evening or tomorrow, will start posting as time permits. Sorry, it was not my intention for this to become issue, its just been a long time, since we have had some material like this posted, and thought some folks would enjoy the same. I had sent copies of them to Bob Norris, and he enjoyed them, and encouraged me to post it, just never really had an opportunity, at the moment, I have some free time. Tim Purdy, in a very chilly Susanville, California

Tim; I learned a long time ago that we live in a Republic. By general vote, I would say the ayes have it. Don't make it a dictatorship by allowing one or two people ruin it for everyone. Thanks Donna At 10:51 AM 12/4/99 -0800, Elizabeth Laird wrote: >My feelings exactly, Tim. We're waiting patiently.... >Elizabeth > >-----Original Message----- >From: PitmanWait@aol.com <PitmanWait@aol.com> >To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com <CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 8:55 AM >Subject: [GOLDRUSH] Tunison Diaries > > >>Tim: >> >>Here's another vote for the diaries to be shared. I, too, am a history >buff >>and I cannot see how genealogy and history can be separated. When will you >>begin? >> >>Marilyn >> >> >>==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== >>Automatic Administrative Reminder: >>We cannot post copyrighted materials to the Rootsweb lists >>without written & signed permission from the author(s) >>and/or publisher(s). >> >> > > >==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== >Automatic Administrative Reminder: >"Most Wanted of our Lost in Early California Ancestors" >is a web page for members of this list to post queries. ><http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8861/goldrush98.htm> > > >

My feelings exactly, Tim. We're waiting patiently.... Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: PitmanWait@aol.com <PitmanWait@aol.com> To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com <CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 8:55 AM Subject: [GOLDRUSH] Tunison Diaries >Tim: > >Here's another vote for the diaries to be shared. I, too, am a history buff >and I cannot see how genealogy and history can be separated. When will you >begin? > >Marilyn > > >==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== >Automatic Administrative Reminder: >We cannot post copyrighted materials to the Rootsweb lists >without written & signed permission from the author(s) >and/or publisher(s). > >

Tim Please share the diaries with us! Vernon Brown Walnut Creek, CA

Tim: Here's another vote for the diaries to be shared. I, too, am a history buff and I cannot see how genealogy and history can be separated. When will you begin? Marilyn

Barbara, There is a biography of John Rule, who lived in the Ocean Township of Sonoma County, CA, in "The History of Sonoma County - 1880" This URL will take to there. http://www.compuology.com/cpl/snma1880.htm#r I too have an ancestor who was at the Brown's Valley gold mine, and I once had the opportunity to walk through their pioneer graveyard, even though I have no one there. It's a beautiful spot. Norm Hardin

Hi, Tim: Thank you for the offer to submit information from the Tunison Diaries as you can. Looking very much forward to this as my ancestor, Edward Allen, apparently worked for Mr. Tunison on runs in Placer, Nevada, Sierra and Yuba counties, or parts thereof. Edward probably made more "gold" delivering supplies than he did digging for it! Thank you, Patricia <pjrowell@jps.net>

Hi, Tim: Thank you for the offer to submit information from the Tunison Diaries as you can. Looking very much forward to this as my ancestor, Edward Allen, apparently worked for Mr. Tunison on runs in Placer, Nevada, Sierra and Yuba counties, or parts thereof. Edward probably made more "gold" working for Tunison than he did digging for it! Thank you, Patricia <pjrowell@jps.net>

Hi, Tim: Thank you for the offer to submit information from the Tunison Diaries as you can. Looking very much forward to this as my ancestor, Edward Allen, apparently worked for Mr. Tunison on runs in Placer, Nevada, Sierra and Yuba counties, or parts thereof. Edward probably made more "gold" delivering supplies than he did digging for it! Thank you, Patricia <pjrowell@jps.net>

Hi! I am trying to pick up the trail in California of my Craddock's. Thomas Elmore Craddock, Sr (b. 1781 in VA, died 1869 in Yuba Co., buried in Browns Valley Cementery) came to California sometime after 1850 from Madison Co. Missouri. One of his daughter's, Elizabeth, had married a John Rule in Mo in 1844, and moved to Rule Ranch, Sonoma Co., California shortly thereafter. After Thomas' wife, Hannah, died, ca 1845, Thomas, his daughter Margaret Johnson, her children, and some of Thomas' sons came to California. I believe that the sons that came were the sons that were living with the family in 1850....Caleb Craddock (b. 1829) and Edmond Craddock (b. 1826). I have been told that family members died along the way. I have been told that when Thomas died, some of his family left, and some stayed. I have found the family (or some of it, in records) of Margaret Craddock Johnson's descendants. The ones I have found are of daughter Jane Johnson and Jacob B. Grandstaff. I have found no reference to Caleb or Edmond Craddock. Any help picking up this trail will be greatly appreciated. Barbara Craddock Pike

CA has a death index 1905-1995. A volunteer from the CA help list could probably take a look for your William Martin and then with the actual death date you can order his death certficate which would tell you his burial location. CADI lookup volunteers from the CA Helplist: http://posom.com/hl/usa/ca.shtml Anderson, George gwa@ccnet.com 1905-1990 Michel jeunmichel@home.com 1905 - 1993 Carl Bradshaw cjbrad@svpal.org 1905-1988 Laurel laurele@hooked.net 1905 - 1992 Ron Stone blueoak@ix.netcom.com from 1905 Myrna Atwood atwood@lemoorenet.com 1906 - 1987 Tami cnstars@earthlink.net 1930-1994 (LA GenWeb volunteer) Have you visited this site? It is an index of all the names in the CA county biographies published and available at the CA Room of the state library. There's a search feature and it tells you how to order copies if you find one of your names. http://www.compuology.com/cpl/cpl_bio.htm Learn all about resources available for California research at these two sites: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/toc.shtml http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html (volunteers for book lookups) Follow the link her to visit the Placer county website: California county websites: http://www.compuology.com/cagenweb/ Volunteers - vital records, obituaries, city directories, cemeteries, etc. by county location http://raogk.rootsweb.com/californ.htm http://posom.com/hl/usa/ca.shtml Obituary volunteers: http://members.aol.com/sjhcamp/index.html Colleen ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø -----Original Message----- From: Anita Wills <alani2@worldnet.att.net> To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com <CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, December 02, 1999 4:24 PM Subject: [GOLDRUSH] Diary >I am seeking information on my ancestor William Martin who was a miner in >Placer County. I gather that I will have to go and search the records >myself to find information on him. He died about 1925 and is buried >somewhere in Placer County. William was born in Pennsylvania and came to >California after the Civil War. He wrote that he had a gold mine and needed >someone to help him with it. I do not believe he was married, but his >obituary was probably in one of the Newspapers. > >Anita L. Wills >alani2@worldnet.att.net > > >==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== >Automatic Administrative Reminder: >Rootsweb no longer accepts HTML coding, Enriched text, or Attachments on >email messages. Your cooperation will help save Rootsweb equipment to >serve us all another day. >

At 4:20 PM -0800 12/2/99, CA-GOLDRUSH-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >X-Message: #2 >Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:41:04 -0800 >From: Brian & Tricia Carothers <bcaroth@jps.net> >To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991202134104.007a4140@mail.jps.net> >Subject: [GOLDRUSH] Copyright Issue? >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Uh-oh, did I blow it by sending this newspaper article on Sutters Mill? I >didn't realize that newspapers fell under the copyright laws. I apologize >profusely for my mistake! So sorry... > >Tricia Carothers >bcaroth@jps.net For copyright information, visit: COPYRIGHT-L@rootsweb.com (subscribe address COPYRIGHT-L-request@rootsweb.com) Or check the web: Copyright Basics: http://www.w3px.com/~docs/cpyright.htm Copyright Laws on the Internet: http://www.pitt.edu/~skvarka/education/copyright/ Ten Myths about copyright explained: http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html Yvonne Oliver Bowers, Listmom, GenConnect Administratior, Proud Rootsweb Sponsor NORCAL, SOCAL, CA-GOLDRUSH, CA-EARTHQUAKE-L NORCAL Library http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html NORCAL Genealogy Index http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/ CA-GOLDRUSH Most Wanted: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/CAGOLDRUSH/goldrushdigest.html

I am seeking information on my ancestor William Martin who was a miner in Placer County. I gather that I will have to go and search the records myself to find information on him. He died about 1925 and is buried somewhere in Placer County. William was born in Pennsylvania and came to California after the Civil War. He wrote that he had a gold mine and needed someone to help him with it. I do not believe he was married, but his obituary was probably in one of the Newspapers. Anita L. Wills alani2@worldnet.att.net

Hello, folks. I'm Laura, a new list member, and I'd like to offer my two cents worth to this discussion. Tim - As I see it, there are two possible scenarios here. 1: The person who asked you not to post certain information was controlling (viewing himself as sole spokesperson for the group), was malicious, or in some other way saw fit to limit or impede the enjoyment of others on the list-serve. I doubt this is the case, but if it were, I'd say such a person can only have power over you (and the list-serve) if you allow them to control your behavior. Thus, you owe it to yourself to post the diary as planned. 2: The person was merely expressing an opinion as to what he saw as the confines of the list-serve, casting a vote for certain limitations on the scope of discussion. Even the person who offended you did not see fit to speak for the whole group. In this case, you are the only one setting this person up as sole dictator of the group's topics for discussion. If a vote system is in place, and especially with so many other votes to the contrary, it seems logical to go ahead and post what you had previously intended. E-mail and list-serves are wonderful tools for facilitating the exchange of information and for meeting people of like interests. Unfortunately, mis-communication is often magnified to the same degree as communication. Hurt feelings and disappointment abound, but I usually find it best to keep trying, even if I only hear from one person who tries to make me feel welcome. If I didn't, I would have cut myself off from most potentially constructive situations a long time ago. List-serves are like wagon trains. A group of people embark upon uncharted territory, with perhaps some loosely-defined constitution in place governing the group. Differences are bound to occur. The decision is, of course, yours, but I'd personally like to see you get beyond this bump in the road and to reap the rewards that come with sharing your interests. I've blathered on long enough. No offense is intended with this message - I hope none is taken. Take care. Laura > -----Original Message----- > From: Gail Darling [mailto:darling@ncinternet.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 1:40 AM > To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GOLDRUSH] Re: Tunison Diaries > > > Tim - > I agree. There are so many people who want to just ruin it for everyone > else. Don't let them get away with it. Once, I forwarded to the list the > nasty comments sent privately, I got in trouble from list mom, but the > private jerk never sent anot her one believe me. > Gail > -----Original Message----- > From: djtaylor@puc.edu <djtaylor@puc.edu> > To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com <CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 9:35 PM > Subject: [GOLDRUSH] Re: Tunison Diaries > > > >Tim, I for one would love this. I find that sort of reading > fascinating! > >Diane Biggar-Taylor > > > > > >> I have A. L. Tunison's diaries of the early 1860s, in > which a portion > >> the time he was a teamster hauling freight from Northern > California to > >> mines of Northern Nevada (Humboldt, Unionville, etc) If there are > >> people interested in this I can always start posting > sections of it. > > > > > >==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== > >Automatic Administrative Reminder: > >Please DO NOT post to multiple lists with one email; this can cause > >bounced-mail problems for Rootsweb and for us; and those looking for > >answers but are not subscribed to this list will not get > replies. This > >also occurs when non-lister's messages are forwarded to the list. > > > > > > ______________________________ >

Hello from Australia, I would also be interested in finding information on this line. I have a very elusive John MURRAY, who had an American Seamen's Protection Certificate dated 1st July, 1848 stating he was born in New York, who then left San Francisco in 1855. A steerage ticket dated 20th Feb, 1855 for $US80.00 said he sailed on the ...?.....? Mary to Port Phillip (Victoria, Australia). His marriage certificate then states he was born in Middlesex, England. If any one can point me in the right direction I would be most appreciative. I was on the Mariner's and Ships List for a time but was not successful in my search. Thanking you, Regards, Mary of Melbourne Researching, FOSTER, Coventry >Aust - PRITCHARD,Coventry>Aust GEOFFREY,Bloomsbury, Middlesex>Aust - ORCHARD, Warminster, Wiltshire>Aust STUART,Aberdeen, >Aust - EDWARDS,England>Aust GREATZ,NSW>Aust - PFITZNER, Prussia>Aust WILLIAMS,CUNNINGHAM, HUMPHREYS,MULVAHILL >Aust ,