There has been a little confusion on the reference I sent to some people. Let me explain: What you saw at http://genweb.net/~gen-cds/cdlist.html was a list of references and where the references were located. What you need to do is e-mail an individual that owns a particular CD and ask him/her your request. For example: John owns CD # ABC. He posts on the site that he owns CD # ABC and is willing to do free lookups on that CD. You e-mail John that you found a reference to your relative on CD # ABC and give him the information you have and he e-mails you the results. "Remember: Everyone wants to help someone else". Genealogy is a great small world...! -Eddie Kireton@earthlink.net

Here, here! Long live the memory of my dear internet friend, Bob Norris. Lewis M. Ruddick

Today marks the first anniversary of the death of Bob Norris on 2/22/99. We find it hard to believe that his wonderful contributions to our lists have not been added to for a full year. The "Howdy" greeting and the :-) and :-)) that were always a part of his posts are very much missed! Below is one sample of the fun way he shared "Historee" with us while always giving credit to List Members who had helped him and the books from which he had taken his stories. For those of us who have already seen Bob's posts and would like to read them again and for those of you who joined the list in the last year and have not had the opportunity to read them we invite you to search the RootsWeb archives at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.plfor type in CA-GOLDRUSH or NORCAL as the name of list to search. Check out all these years: 1999,1998,1997, and use - BNorris166@aol.com - as the subject of your query. Bob said he wanted to be remembered, and that was why he wrote/compiled so much - he expected/hoped some of his writing would be remembered long after he was gone. How could we forget him? This post is sent to you by, The many friends of Bob Norris, (he was a good and gentle friend) ================================ From: BNorris166@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 9:57 AM To: NORCAL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: JOURNADAS - Captain Marcy's Trail Travel Tips - 1859 Howdy, For those read overland emigrant diaries/journals/letters, etc, I am sure familar is the word JOURNADA.. When first read, I just assumed it only meant a tough trip. I didn't bother to investigate - until now:-) After listmembers Lewis<lruddick@ix.netcom.com> & Emerson <EShipe@CLEMSON.EDU> touted it, I liberry loaned Randolphh B. MARCY's "The Prairie Traveler", originally published in 1859 by Harper & Brothers, NY .It's a pretty good trail book - used by some of the overland emigrants on their travels. Just book browsing, I ran into Capt. Marcy's essay on JOURNADAS. The Mexicans apprently used the word" journada"(day's journey) to describe long stretches which must be traveled without water. The distances varied -some 50 or 60 miles, or longer. And one in New Mexico is called "Journada del Muerto," which was 78 1/2 miles long. Also, I recall at least one early Northern Trail overland emirgrant naming the "40 Mile Desert" - the Journey of Death.. FOLKS: With vacation travel time approaching, I thought you might be interested in some of Capt. Marcy's trail tips:-)): "On arriving at the last camping-ground before entering upon the journada, all the animals should be as well rested and refreshed as possible. To insure this, they must be turned out upon the best grass that can be found, and allowed to eat and drink as much as they desire during the entire halt.. They should be carefully watered just previous to being hitched up and . the water-kegs having been previously filled. The drive is then commenced, and continued during the ENTIRE night, with 10 to 15 minutes rest every two hours. "About daylight a halt should be made, and the animals immediately turned out to graze for two hours....especially if there is dew upon the grass, they will have become considerably refreshed, and may be put to the wagons again and driven until the heat becomes oppressive toward noon, when they are again turned....where grass is good, and ...if possible..shade trees. "About four o'clock P.M. they are again started, and the march continued into the night, and as long as they can be driven without suffering. If...there should be dew...seldom the case on the plains, it would be well to turn out the animals several times during the second night, and by morning, if they are in good condition, the journada of 70 or 80 miles will have passed without any great amount of suffering. I am supposing, in this case, that the road is firm and free of sand.... ".....Oxen upon a long journey will sometimes wear down their hoofs and become lame. When this occurs, a thick piece of raw hide wrapped around the foot and tied firmly to the leg will obviate the difficulty, provided the weather is not wet; for if so, the shoe soon wears out. "Mexican and Indian horses and mules will make long journeys without being shod, as their hoofs are tough and elastic, and wear away very gradually; they will however, in time become very smooth, making it difficult for them to travel upon grass. "A train of wagons should always be kept closed upon a march; and if, as often happens, a particular wagon gets out of order and is obliged to halt, it should be turned out of the road, to let the others pass while the injury is being reparied. As soon as the broken wagon is in order, it should fall into the line wherever it happens to be. "..If the broken wagon is a poor one, and there be abundance of better ones...it may be wise to abandon it, taking from it such parts as may possibly be wanted in repairing other wagons." I suppose AAA already gave you all this:-)))) Bob Norris in Dallas <BNorris166@aol.com>

Thanks, Charmaine. This gives us a lot more to look for in our records. We will get back to you in a few days! Gene & PatriciaR = = = = = CC wrote: > More correct info on the Woolley family that I am looking for- > They were in Lewis County New York - Township/town of Martinsburg. > There is also a Zell Woolley living there and he is actually the one we > believe who did some writing on the goldrush. Somehow we believe that > Luke Jamerson (wife was Lucy Peebles), Leo Jamerson and Coy Jamerson are > connected and Otis Stanton (wife was Lucy's sister Francis Peebles). > Maybe the only connection is thru the Peebles lines, we are not sure but > young Otis was living with William and Emeline Woolley in Lewis County > but they disappear and oral history is that Otis went west along with > the Jamersons and quite probably the Woolley family, and he returned to > marry Francis. > The Woolley family and Otis are in the *1850* census in NY. > Any bits and pieces would be helpful! > Also searching for info on Otis' parents...they say they died young, but > no hard information...Jehial & Rachel Stanton. > thanks!-Charmaine

At 7:16 AM -0800 2/21/00, CA-GOLDRUSH-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >X-Message: #1 >Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:14:11 -0800 >From: "Phyllis Stengl" <phyllis@st-law.net> >To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <NDBBKMLIMOKJEACJJFCIEEMICEAA.phyllis@st-law.net> >Subject: [GOLDRUSH] California Gold Miner >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Don't know if anyone else would be interested, but I have a particularly >good picture of my gold mining ancestor next to a river with his sluis box. >It's posted on the Barlow Clearinghouse. The ancestor is Charles Bennett >Barlow and he mined near Bath, Placer County, CA CA 1865-1880. > > > >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~barlow/cbbarlow.html Phyllis, what a wonderful picture and a treasure! I know we all wish we had as good a reminder for our own 49-ers! Thanks for sharing. Am wondering if I provided the credit for you, if we could post it on the GOLDRUSH Most Wanted Page. If you don't mind, please email me privately the .jpg file. Yvonne Oliver Bowers, Listmom, GenConnect Administratior, Proud Rootsweb Sponsor NORCAL, SOCAL, CA-GOLDRUSH, CA-EARTHQUAKE-L NORCAL Library http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html NORCAL Genealogy Index http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/ CA-GOLDRUSH Most Wanted: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/CAGOLDRUSH/goldrushdigest.html

More correct info on the Woolley family that I am looking for- They were in Lewis County New York - Township/town of Martinsburg. There is also a Zell Woolley living there and he is actually the one we believe who did some writing on the goldrush. Somehow we believe that Luke Jamerson (wife was Lucy Peebles), Leo Jamerson and Coy Jamerson are connected and Otis Stanton (wife was Lucy's sister Francis Peebles). Maybe the only connection is thru the Peebles lines, we are not sure but young Otis was living with William and Emeline Woolley in Lewis County but they disappear and oral history is that Otis went west along with the Jamersons and quite probably the Woolley family, and he returned to marry Francis. The Woolley family and Otis are in the 1850 census in NY. Any bits and pieces would be helpful! Also searching for info on Otis' parents...they say they died young, but no hard information...Jehial & Rachel Stanton. thanks!-Charmaine

Dear Listers: You probably saw my long post yesterday but today, just a few short items to offer: I wrote yesterday that my GGGpa Biar CURLESS came in '59 from Cedar Rapids Iowa, following the lead of his older brothers. I didn't tell you then though that he and his younger brothers worked a hydraulic mine on Weber Creek from '62-'69. A cousin of mine, John Curless, has researched the claim but I have not seen it. I wonder aloud, whether this accounts for the community known as Iowaville, see Gudde "California Gold Camps" In addition to family members he brought the following: Jesse BROWN, from Iowa, who was a young man still living with parents John and Marian Brown near Cedar Rapids. Jesse got a job working a ferry across the Yuba in October of '59, though I am not sure exactly at what landing. Surnames only: TUFFORD, a hired hand. and STUFFY (probably STEFFY, an old Pennsylvania name) the other hired hand. Not clear from diary what happened to them, what their connection to family was etc. Hope this helps somebody. Contact me if you need any background info. Asked yesterday for roster of STEVENSON'S REGIMENT or any other MILITARY ROSTERS from Mex-American War that were associated with GR California. Seeking SAMUEL ASHTON CURLESS, a NEWTON, HARRYMAN or DEMAIS< DEMARS!?! Lance Beeson

This picture isn't scanned, but it might be of interest to someone. My great grandmother's brother worked as an engineer associated with the SUNNY HILL MINE (quartz mine) in SHASTA COUNTY. I have a 5x7 mounted picture of that mine with Lewis Barlow in the foreground. You can see the hillside mine works, including the tracks going up to the works. (And forgive me if I don't have the right mining terminology.) Anyone interested, I can scan the shot and e-mail it, though it would be a large jpg file.

Phyllis, Excellant photo of CB Barlow! The name seems familiar in photography? I wish someone would find pics of Shasta Co French Gulch Washington/Milkmaid mine works ? I have 1800's pics of formal family by traveling professionals, in amazing clothes (!) but no machinery/working clothes. --JD

Don't know if anyone else would be interested, but I have a particularly good picture of my gold mining ancestor next to a river with his sluis box. It's posted on the Barlow Clearinghouse. The ancestor is Charles Bennett Barlow and he mined near Bath, Placer County, CA CA 1865-1880. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~barlow/cbbarlow.html

Dear Listers: I am new to this list and only just found out about it, but I am not new to the Gold Rush, California History or genealogy. I have joined to exchange information and possibly gain a little. I appreciate the Gold Rush more than most and suppose that you all do as well, though I haven;t seen enough correspondence to know what you focus upon. I am performance director of the Calicanto Singers and we specialize in music of California History in General, and Gold Rush in particular. We give costumed performances of Gold Rush music and were lucky enough to be featured at Opening Day (2/24/98) at the Oakland Museum ceremonies for their big show as well as other festivals, museums etc. Although my point is not to dwell on this for any reason other than explaining my personal involvement in the Gold Rush, I do have to say we have some openings for musicians/singers RIGHT NOW and if you love this music and history the way I do and live in the Bay Area, this may be a chance to do something special. Now with that out of the way, this explains why I have read every biography, letter, journal book I could get my hands on on this subject and I daresay that I have encountered and sang just about every song written or adapted in those days, enough to write a book just about it. I have a little mystery that has kept my ears cocked while doing all of this reading and took me in special directions. It takes a little explainin', so bear with me. My GGGpa was Biar Curless. He came, late for the Gold Rush, in 1859. His older brother Dr. William Curless was already here, though his year of arrival is still in dispute. We know a lot about these guys. I transcribed Biar's diary recently and just self-xeroxed published it for family and one copy for the Calif. Historical Society Museum in SF. It was written in pencil, he was dyslexic and he carried it thrice over the plains so its pretty beat up. My cousin-in-law owns the diary but sent it to me because I showed the interest and proved it by doing the work. Folded up in the front of the diary was an innocuous piece of paper, which my genealogy research into the Curless family and Gold Rush stuff set off alarm bells. It was a promissory note for $100 dated October 29, 1849 and signed by Biar's second eldest brother Samuel Ashton Curless. Now according to our Curless Family Bible, published in 1850 and with family pages in the middle filled in with births, deaths wedding etc, Samuel Ashton Curless died in January of 1850 in California. Because all of the family was in Cedar Rapids Iowa at that time, the place was perhaps unknown. We don;t know how Grandpa Biar got the note, when he got the note or anything else. But he carried it with him in his diary. When I saw the note, I realized how poignant it was. He had taken on a debt, probably for a claim share, tools or whatever then died a couple of months later, perhaps from pneumonia in that terrible winter of 49-50. The note could have been signed anywhere, on the Oregon-Cal trail, in the mines, in SF, I just don;t know. There are scant clues from it. It has a paper company watermark from Southworth Company, but no notary or seal. It names the following men as indebted to , full quote: "$100 For value received I promise to pay Jesse Demais __ (T or I) Newton I Harryman [no commas included here] the sum of one Hundred dollars baring interest from date Oct 29th 1849. Samuel A. Curless" Now simply put, do any of you have knowledge of these other men? I will go down the list of what I have looked at. He came from Cedar Rapids Iowa and he was born May 12, 1827 in Ohio. He was probably unmarried as he would have been noted in Family Bible as all other siblings were, at least to the family's knowledge. His younger brothers married Shaw sisters there in Cedar Rapids in mid- 50s and supposedly, the Curless had come to Cedar Rapids along with a family named Brown, who had been neighbors originally in Clermont/Brown County Ohio. As the Curless were a very old NJ Quaker family, there was no military tradition to speak of, though I have not discounted the possibility that he could have been in Stevenson's Regiment ( I have yet to find a complete roster of these men and I have been looking). The Curless were ME from Ohio on but had been very Quaker in the early days since 1680 when George Corlies came to Shrewsbury NJ. His brother William (the eldest son and a Medical Doctor) came, either in 52 or 55 and was living in Oroville in 1859 when brother Biar and family came. When you look at where Biar went when he came later, the clues point to Placerville and Oroville as areas but you all know how mobile early GR life was. I have looked at every wagon train from Iowa I could find, checked out every collateral NJ to Ohio ex-Quaker name and where they were (even Jim Marshall was from the same township in NJ as Sam's Grandma, Hannah Johnson Ashton). I have ready every diary that was kept from Iowa pioneers as well as Indiana people and Ohio people (the Curless moved from NJ to OHio in 1818, to Indiana in '33 then to Cedar Rapids in late 40s. I have gone to the Bancroft and checked out the Lorch book and the only citation was from a Dubuque newspaper that said "fifty or so miners from Linn County left for California." I have checked out every Iowa geographical feature in California and I consider a prime area of possible interest to be the Iowa Cabins in Calaveras, where there was a famous fracas early on in 49 (check out Boesseneckers newest, Gold Dust and Gunsmoke). I am intrigued by Shaw's Flat nearby, though there isn't a good explanation of which Shaw it was named after (I used Gudde's Gold Rush place names). I have searched geno databases for those other names and posted queries on the Harryman Genforum cause it might be easier than Newton. I am in contact with all of the Curless researchers in the US but most only found out about our California line because of me. I have checked with the gal near Auburn who has done all of those Gold Rush cemetary listings and she considers it just too early to find him that way. I have read every county history of the placer area (and scoured every index) I could find and searched for Curless and variant name spellings and investigated other settlers from nearby areas. So, Listers, if you have any surname info of these three others, let me know. At some point they were all together in one place to witness the note, but where they came from and where they went is wide open...... About the calligraphy: it is pretty clear but I am having trouble with the capital letters in single initials thats why there are bracketed suggestions. The name Demais looks pretty clear, the only other possibility is Demars, Demaris or perhaps Dennis with a weird a or o. I have a JPEG at work of this note and will be happy to email it to you after next week when I return there. So there it is. Please feel free to contact me privately or via the list. I have learned a great deal in this search but still haven;t found GGUncle Sam. By the way, he was named after his Grandpa Samuel Ashton, a Penn native who came to Ohio in 1807 then lived at a farm in Clermont/Brown Cty (right on the line) through the 1830s. There are a lot more cousins studying Sam as well so once again, we know kind of lot about them back there. For frontier buffs, it is believed by these researchers that Sam may have hunted with his neighbor Cornelius Washburn on summer trapping trips West and son-in-law Wright Soper Curless Sr may have been a part of that too.. In town was a Jedidiah Smith from NJersey, but we don;t know for sure if it was the Jedidiah Strong Smith, though i just came across some land transfers in New Jersey by Jedidiah Strong!!! And JSS's father was apparently running from some shady business, or so said some biographers... Sorry for length, but these things take time. Sincerely, Lance Beeson

Hi, Charmaine: Can you please list which State and which County census you found your William Woolley in 1950(1850?) There are several William Woolleys in my husband's early CA family. Thanks! PatriciaR <pjrowell@jps.net> CC wrote: > > Hi List- > Im looking for information on a William Woolley age 35 in 1950 census, > with wife Emeline same age and daughters MaryAnn 15 and Fanny 4. > Also looking for info on the following Jamersons: Luke, Lucy, Leo and > Coy Jamerson. > Someone said that one of the Jamersons may have written a book about how > dangerous the goldrush days were....????? > Both of these families had some connection to Otis Stanton age 22 in > 1850 census. Otis is my line, his wife was a sister to Lucy Jamerson > wife of Leo or Luke. > Has anyone heard of these people? > Also believe that Edwin and Edward Stanton, younger cousins to Otis > ended up living in San Francisco area. > Thanks for any suggestions or help!! > -Charmaine Campany > POBox 376, Croghan, NY 13327 > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nylewis

Folks, if your looking for new genealogy software I think you will find this very helpful and interesting. For a great way to compare genealogy software , the State Coordinator of the California GenWeb Project, Richard Wilson has posted this information to the State GenWeb Coordinators list- Richard wrote: Although this doesn't have much to do with the California USGenWeb Project, I thought I should mention a few Web pages I have created that compares genealogy software programs. This is always a very popular topic at the national conventions I lecture at so I felt I should let everyone in the project know about them. For a comparison of the major Windows based genealogy programs go to: http://www.compuology.com/richard/comparison.htm . For examples of Web pages created by the major genealogy programs as well as most of the shareware Web page creation programs go to: http://www.compuology.com/richard/compare.htm . I hope this information can be useful to some of you.Cordially,Richard S. Wilson wilson@compuology.comCalifornia USGenWeb Project Coordinator California USGenWeb Page http://www.compuology.com/cagenweb/ The USGenWeb Project Page http://www.usgenweb.org/ Computers for Genealogy Page: http://www.compuology.com/

I am writing from Australia and wondering if anyone can assist me. I have a Seamen's Protection Certificate dated 1st July 1848 for a John Murray, originally a citizen of England, who later came and stayed in Australia. It is signed by a Cornelius W. Lawrence, Collector in the District of New York. The elusive Mr. Murray then turns up in San Francisco and I have a Steerage Ticket dated 21st February, 1855 for $80.00 for travel to Port Phillip (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia) signed by J.J. Southgate & Co. Agent. The vessel is shown as B????S????Mary, and after extensive research from this end cannot find an vessel with an similarities. He then marries in Castlemaine, Victoria a few years later stating he is from Middlesex, England, but research in that area has also proved fruitless. I would appreciate any leads or information on these certificates, or any advice that would point me in the right direction for unravelling this big brick wall. I have already tried the Ships and Maritime lists. At the moment here in Melbourne on television they are showing the series called The West, which is on San Francisco, the gold rush, and surrounding areas etc. It is very interesting and informative and I believe it is out in book form and video. Thanking you, Regards, Mary of Melbourne Researching, FOSTER, Coventry >Aust - PRITCHARD,Coventry>Aust GEOFFREY,Bloomsbury, Middlesex>Aust - ORCHARD, Warminster, Wiltshire>Aust STUART,Aberdeen, >Aust - EDWARDS,England>Aust GREATZ,NSW>Aust - PFITZNER, Prussia>Aust WILLIAMS,CUNNINGHAM, HUMPHREYS,MULVAHILL >Aust ,

I can check both the NDGW and the pioneer cards. No they are not the same. Sometimes I find a name in one and not the other and sometimes it appears in both with different citations. As to NDGW information - it can be very good or just a listing for the fact they were in the Great Register. Never know what shows up until you look. If you'd like me to look at either, let me know. And if you have the book number and page for NDGW give me that. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly Nuttall <nuttallclan@juno.com> To: <CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 9:50 AM Subject: [GOLDRUSH] NDGW / CA room/ pioneer cards? > I'm new to the list (and to lists in general). I was looking through the > listing archives and found a post listing a link to the NDGW > index...Thank-you! I found my gggrandfather Joseph F. Goodale listed! Is > this list the same as the "pioneer cards" I read that you can look up in > the CA room? Can someone tell me more about the NDGW and the CA Room? I > know for a fact that my late grandmother was a member (I have her > membership pin). What records might they have on past members? > Thank-you for sharing your knowledge as I try to expand mine. Kelly > Nuttall. > > ______________________________

Iris, The Genealogy Detective is a Search Program... they spent over a year getting links and sources most of us never even knew existed. I personally spent much more than that on a family History book that was 15 years out of date.....8-( IrisLillie@msn.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/17/00 7:38:18 PM Central Standard Time, > methenyd@megapipe.net writes: > > << > The software product I think was genealogy detective, > I bought a copy and found it one of the best, and probably > the easiest to use. Actually it pretty neat, and cheap too. > http://www.genealogydetective.com/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=methenyd> > Just curious, have > you used Family Tree Maker? I was wondering how it compared to that. Do you > know of anywhere that I might view the actual product?? > > Iris -- FREE Membership - Genealogy World: Online databases, Query Boards, Tutorials: http://genealogyworld.com Sign Up for Our FREE Monthly Genealogy E-ZINE, Tips, New sources, New Ideas, and Great Stories.

I'm looking for info on Benjamin SATCHWELL, born in England in 1819 and died in Amador county, CA in 1904. He married (1) Ann SANDERS (1826-1914) and (2) Elizabeth A. SHARON (1827-1914). Children from his marriage to Ann SANDERS include: Eliza A. SATCHWELL (abt March 27, 1838 in England-January 10, 1863 CA) Frances Sarah SATCHWELL (January 19, 1842 in England, July 28, 1928 Amador county, CA) Eliza A. SATCHWELL married Reuben Miller DILLON (1832 KY, March 7, 1899 CA). Note: These are my great-great grandparents. During later years, their descendants appeared in several California counties including Lassen, Amador, Sonoma, and San Joaquin. I would like to exchange info with anyone researching the SATCHWELL and/or DILLON lines. The info I have is documented on my homepage at the URL shown below. Thanks Bill Dillon http://members.aol.com/wbdillon/wa3scw.htm

At 04:35 PM 2/18/00 -0800, Kelly Nuttall wrote: >I appologize for using only the acronym. A few people have asked me for >clarification: Kelly, There is more than one register of "Pioneers", and one acronym may not get the job done. I think the major problem is that those who belonged to one Org. may have belonged to several and the data had crossover. I requested "PARKER" of many volunteers as well as paid researchers and found little. I knew both brothers were here the summer of 1849, but imagine my surprise that a third brother also was here and became state senator! I had paid Shasta Hist Soc to search and got very little, but a researcher for hire who was a member of that and several others found a curious document, originating from the Redding DAR! No one has explained how the Daughters of the American Revolution was involved with CA 1849'ers to date, but I suspect it was the coincidance of "being a descendant" herself, and chairman of that parlor of DAR plus NDGW, plus a volunteer of Shasta Hist Soc, that resulted in her very thorough genealogy recorded in "Pioneer File" at the Hist Soc, on DAR forms (maybe ?) That she had personally interviewed all members of the family may have been only because she was related, but she had found all but one of 11 Parker bros from Scotland had come to America, several died in CW, several came to CA, and at least 3 stayed for life. That she found a mother in law had come as far as MA was a real find, and that "Chairman of DAR" was the only one in our family that documented more than ONE brother! Rest assured: there are "Pioneer Files" of many kinds, and not ALL are created equal! Nor do the Acronyms explain what they may contain ? (DAR ? 1849? where's the connection?) --JD

I appologize for using only the acronym. A few people have asked me for clarification: NDGW = Native Daughters of theGolden West. Looking through the archives for this mailing list I found the link to an index for the NDGW pioneer roster: http://www.compuology.com/cpl/ndgwmaster.htm Apparently the NDGW has a record of california pioneers who lived or resided in california before 1870. This is all that I know about their organization but I would like to learn more. I answered one of my own questions by looking back through my links and found where I saw the CA room/pioneer cards. This is the NORCAL genealogy index which gives ideas for research/sources: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/toc.shtml#GOLD RUSH They mention a california information file that I would like to get hold of. With my lousy memory I was thinking it might be the same as the NGDW roster, but it looks like it is not.

I'm new to the list (and to lists in general). I was looking through the listing archives and found a post listing a link to the NDGW index...Thank-you! I found my gggrandfather Joseph F. Goodale listed! Is this list the same as the "pioneer cards" I read that you can look up in the CA room? Can someone tell me more about the NDGW and the CA Room? I know for a fact that my late grandmother was a member (I have her membership pin). What records might they have on past members? Thank-you for sharing your knowledge as I try to expand mine. Kelly Nuttall.