Hi Carolyn: Thanks for posting the message regarding Millie. It was truly beautiful and appropos. I sent a message directly to the family. We were all touched by Millie and what she did so willingly for all of us, and will remember her for years to come. Each of us is part of this genealogical family, and so mourn when we lose a family member. All the best to all, Cindy ---------- > From: Carolyn Feroben <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CA-GOLDRUSH-L] [Fwd: Millie Hanum's Memorial TODAY] > Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 10:09 AM > >

Resending my message for those who don't know my typing sometimes is off...<VBG> Subject: [CA-GOLDRUSH-L] Confererates Buried in California (should have been Confederates Buried in California) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:50:05 -0700 From: Elise Morris <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> IS YOUR CONFEDERATE ANCESTOR BURIED IN CALIFORNIA? The California Division, UDC is collecting names of Confederates buried in California to be presented as a Confederate memorial list during our centenial year. If your Confederate ancestor is buried in California, we would like tohave the name and location of the cemetery where he/she is buried and if possible an obituary, photograph, service record, and any family information you would like to share. If you have done a survey of a California cemetery and have a list of Confederates, please share that information with us. Do not send original documents as they cannot be returned. Send information to: Margaret Alley PO Box 3295 Montebello CA 90640-3295 [email protected] Please pass this information on to Genealogical and Historical groups and any one with an interest in California and Confederate history. ______________________________ FWD by: ListMom - Rootsweb Sponsor

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------43483045BBF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My friend Susan Berryessa Vallejo has forwarded this message to me. She was also a friend to Millie. It does seem so appropriate that "The Dash" will be read at Millies services today. My best, Carolyn --------------43483045BBF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: [email protected] Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by mail-sf1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA18481 for <[email protected]>; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pobox.alaska.net ([email protected] [204.17.139.2]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id LAA14028 for <[email protected]>; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (dialups-390.anchorage.ptialaska.net [209.193.18.99]) by pobox.alaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02546; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:48:27 -0800 (AKDT) Message-Id: <[email protected]> X-Sender: [email protected] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 10:47:27 -0800 To: [email protected] From: Susan Vallejo <[email protected]> Subject: Millie Hanum's Memorial TODAY Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Dear Norcal friends, I felt this poem I sent to Norcal many months ago would be appropriate to be read at Millie's Memorial being held today in Paradise California. I sent it to the President of the Paradise Genealogical Society where Millie volunteered and spent much time helping others do that very important work in life.....Family Historical Research. Just wanted you all to have the opportunity to read the poem once again. With fond memories of Millie, Susan Berryessa Vallejo ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>Date: Friday, July 31, 1998 10:16 PM >>Subject: Millie Hanum >> >> >>Dear Sir, >>We have heard here in Alaska that Millie has passed away recently and >>that >>her funeral is Saturday 8/1/98. >>I have a poem that would be appropriate to read for one of the readings >>but I have no >>way to send it...but to your email. I know she belonged to 'your' >>Paradise Genealogical Society. She was a help to us all in the genealogy world. >>Maybe you could share it with her family and friends when you attend the funeral. >>A friend of Millie's in Anchorage Alaska, >>Susan Berryessa Vallejo ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Hello Susan, >>We are all saddened by the death of Millie. We thank you for the very >>appropriate poem. It will be read at the memorial. >> >>Thank you, >>Chuck Boydstun, President >>Paradise Genealogical Society >> **************************POEM FOR MILLIE AS SHE LEAVES US TODAY************************ The Dash I read of a man who stood to speak at the funeral of his friend. He referred to the dates on Her tombstone from the beginning...to the end. He noted that first came the date of Her birth and spoke of the second with tears, but he said that what mattered most of all was the dash between those years. For that dash represents all the time that She spent alive on earth, and now only those who loved Her know what that little line is worth. For it matters not, how much we own; the cars, the house, the cash. What matters is how we live and love and how we spend our dash. So think about this long and hard, are there things you'd like to change? For you never know how much time is left. (You could be at "dash mid-range.") If we could just slow down enough to consider what's true and what's real, and always try to understand the way other people feel. And...be less quick to anger, and show appreciation more and love the people in our lives like we've never loved before. If we treat each other with respect, and more often wear a smile, remembering that this special dash might only last a little while. So, when your eulogy is being read with your life's actions to rehash... would you be pleased with the things they have to say about how you spent your dash? ***************************************************** Today 'Millie in Paradise' (as she sometimes signed her notes to us on Norcal) will truly BE "MILLIE in PARADISE" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ God Bless Her Soul! > > ^ > /|\ > / | \ > / /| \ > \ | / / / | \ > \|/ / / | \ > ---0--- / / | \ > /|\ / / |______\ > / | \ /_/_____| \ > ---------------^--- > \ Sugar Time) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Maneuvering to sail into the sunset" > Susan Vallejo and Donald E. Bigelow - Anchorage, Alaska > > --------------43483045BBF--

This might be a place to share experiences. >From the newsletter, Missing Links AUTHOR'S QUERY. Margo Metegrano writes: "I'm collaborating on a book: a collection of stories from people whose lives have been affected by the internet. We'd like to include genealogy stories." For details, please visit <http://www.lifestories.net>

Howdy, For you Happily-Ever-After folks, Time-Life ends its "The Forty-Niners" book(p.227) with: "And.Enos CHRISTMAN, the young printer who had sailed around the Horn in 1849 to seek his fortune, managed in three years to scrape up barely more than 100 [One Hundred} ounces in gold dust. But it was enough. It paid his passage back to West Chester, Pennsylvania, balanced off his small debt to the man who had financed his trip West, and ultimately enabled him to marry Ellen APPLE, the girl with whom he had faithfully corresponded all during his stay in California. "On May 8, 1853, Enos and his bride[Miss Ellen] went to the Pine Street wharf in Philadelphia to look at the EUROPE, the sailing ship on which he had gone to California four years earlier. "'The old craft,' Christman wrote to a friend soon afterward, 'does not look much worse of the wear. I almost felt as though I were being greeted by an old and tried friend. Memory carried me back to the day that I turned my face towards a land of golden promise. What trying times were those that followed. How easy it was to walk into trouble. But the thought of the dear burden on my arm[:-)] broke in upon these musings and reminded me that all was well with me. Indeed my hopes have been gratified and I have realized a FORTUNE." An ending for us, but a well earned beginning for 49er Enos Christman:-)) Bob Norris in Dallas <BNorris166aol.com> .

Howdy, PREFACE:: Sometime in November, 1850, our 49er/diarist Enos Christman reported, "I purchased one-half of the 'Sonoma Herald,' as I should otherwise have lost the several hundred dollars which one of the proprietors owed. Dr. Lewis C. GUNN from Philadelphia and a first rate man, is now my partner..Our office is in the good adobe house where we live and we are almost as comfortable as at home. John L.HAINES, Clint ATKINS, and Enoch DAVIS are in the house with us." Now we join Christman some nine months later: "August 9, 1851... "I have sold out my interest in the HERALD[Sonora] at a fair price and am now permanently engaged as printer and DEPUTY RECORDER at a salary sufficient to save over one hundred dollars per month. My prospects are brighter than they have been at any time since my arrival in California. About the first of next February, the two years' period will expire, at the end of which I was to make payment[?] to Mr.EVANS. After that the whole of my gains will be my own. "SONORA is a fast place and no mistake. Such motley collection as we have here can be found nowhere but in California[:-)] Sonora has a population hailing from every hole and corner of the globe - Kanakas, Peruvians, Negroes, Spaniards, Mexicans, Chilians, Chinese, British convicts from New South Wales, known as 'Sidney Birds,' Englishmen, Frenchmen, Dutch, Paddies, and not a small sprinkling of Yankees. We have more gamblers, more drunkards, more ugly, bad women. and larger lumps of gold, and more of them, than any other place of similar dimensions within Uncle Sam's dominions. The Sabbath is regarded as a holiday.granting men and women a more extensive license to practice vice than any othe day in the week. "I feel that I am a rover, a wanderer on the face of the earth! In a land flowing, not with milk and honey, but with flapjacks and gold dust, far from home and kindred, and surrounded by the offscourings and scum of society, from all parts of the inhabitable globe. All selfish, each for himself, and his Satanic Majesty for all. I have scarcely met with a half a dozen respectable women, or men with their families, since I left the Atlantic States. The women of other nations, what few there are, are nearly all lewd h_rl_ts, who are drunk half the time, or sitting behind the gambling table dealing monte. To see a woman who can read and write is a curiosity. Indeed, the majority of our females are a disgrace to woman. ALL. ALL ruined![:-) sorry] "This state of things, I hope, will not last much longer, for every steamer which arrives in San Francisco brings many families of wives and children, and as soon as we get a few of them among us, a new order of things will COMMENCE."(Christman'sOne Man's Gold). Can't leave on that. Con su permisso, un "epilogue" un momento, por favor:-) Bob Norris in Dallas <BNorris166aol.com>

Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:50:05 -0700 From: Elise Morris <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> IS YOUR CONFEDERATE ANCESTOR BURIED IN CALIFORNIA? The California Division, UDC is collecting names of Confederates buried in California to be presented as a Confederate memorial list during our centenial year. If your Confederate ancestor is buried in California, we would like tohave the name and location of the cemetery where he/she is buried and if possible an obituary, photograph, service record, and any family information you would like to share. If you have done a survey of a California cemetery and have a list of Confederates, please share that information with us. Do not send original documents as they cannot be returned. Send information to: Margaret Alley PO Box 3295 Montebello CA 90640-3295 [email protected] Please pass this information on to Genealogical and Historical groups and any one with an interest in California and Confederate history. ______________________________ FWD by: ListMom - Rootsweb Sponsor

E_or_P_Rowell wrote: > > Mark your calendar if interested in any of these: > 1998 Tour of the Gold Rush Era Headstones at Sacramento > Old City Cemetery, > Saturday, Aug 22nd, 10:00am > Saturday, Sep 12th, all day. > Saturday, Oct 3rd, 10:00am. > Cemetery is at 10th & Broadway, and parking is located > across from the cemetery entrance; tour is free. To > arrange a private tour, call: 916-448-0811. Enjoy, this is a very worthwhile tour! ListMom - Rootsweb Sponsor

Saw a memorial marker in the Glenview Cemetery, Clements, CA, for Mrs. Julia A. WINANS (born 1821, died 1910). Would like to know more about her and whether or not WINANS is a married name (not her surname). My grandmother is a WINANS, and I'd like to know if Julia (or her husband?) might fit into the family. Thank you, ListMom - Rootsweb Sponsor

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Quincy Union, Quincy, Plumas County, California 14 July 1866 3;2 Sawpit Plat. Times are lively at this time. Three saloons, one public house and two peanut shops all doing a brisk business and two acts of hurdy-gurdies going it from eight in the evening until daylight the next morning. . . . . Okay, can someone explain to me a peanut shop? This is the first time I have come across this. Thanks, Tim Purdy Susanville, CA 96130 [email protected]

It is with great sadness that I unsub'd Millie Hannum from our list today, after getting word of her sudden passing. She was my cousin on several family lines, and we always enjoyed writing back and forth. The advent of email made us even closer! Her happy spirit was always a guiding light for me to follow. Millie's family knows I'm hoping she will be able to help from the other side of the veil now... chasing down those elusive ancestors we couldn't uncover on this side. Memorial services for those in the area will be in Paradise CA, tomorrow, Aug 1st, at 2pm, in the Apple Tree Village Park Hall. Memorials to the Paradise Genealogical Society in her name are also welcome. The address is PGS, P.O. Box 460, Paradise, CA 95967-0460. ListMom PatriciaJ <[email protected]>

Dear CA-GOLDRUSH'ers: Anyone holding book by Rasmussen on his Wagon Train listings? My James M. SCOTT family including wife Mary "Polly" RICHIE SCOTT, son Samuel SCOTT and wife Mary COOMBS SCOTT, plus several other family members, arrived in CA 1853 after leaving Grant Co WI in 1851 or 1852. A young son of Samuel & Mary, Eddy SCOTT, died on the journey or right after arriving in CA, as a memorial stone in Ione, Amador Co CA cemetery reads "Eddy Scott, 1853." My grandmother, Carrie Jane SCOTT was born to Samuel and Mary SCOTT in Sutter Creek, Amador Co CA 1862. Would like to find a wagon train record of this family. The SCOTTs were leaders of the wagon train from WI until reaching the jump-off point in MO, where they joined with many others for the journey to CA. Also posting this to the CA-GOLDRUSH list, so my apologies for those getting duplicates. Thanks for any clues or help. PatriciaJ <[email protected]> What would life be without music or email?

Howdy, Hope you don't mind. Before concluding, I wanted to slip in this 1851 CA overview from 49er/printer/diarist Enos CHRISTMAN: "Friday, September 26[1851] - The dry season is nearly over. In a few weeks we may expect to be deluged in mud and water. But now the mountain, the valleys, and the plains all look as parched and dusty as if a drop of rain never fallen upon them. In spring the mountains are covered with luxuriant verdue and the plains bespangled with numberless rich and wild flowers, all a field of beauty on too grand a scale for the pencil of the painter to imitate. The burning sun of the Dry Season destroys this magnificient picture and makes everything present a barren and desolate appearance. In many respects the people of California are peculiarly blessed. The climate is one of the most delightful and healthy in the world. "The agricultural resources of California have been rated too HIGH by some and too LOW by others. One who has seen it in springtime only, represents the whole country as a luxuriant garden; another who has seen it only in the summer or just before the rain set in, represents it as a barren, desolate waste. These pictures, however, are drawn by superficial observers. Where land is properly irrigated it will produce almost any kind of grain or vegetable that is found in the Atlantic States, and in large quantities. "Cattle will graze in the mountains or on the river bottoms on the whole year around. When the dry season comes on, the grass is not spoiled by dews or mosture of any kind, and dries up like sweet, well-made HAY. On this, cattle will feed equally as well as on green grass..... "Miners are not now doing so well as formerly.... The PLACER diggings of this country have been yielding a good return to the industrious fortune seeker, but owing to the want of water, many have abandoned these diggings and commenced a new kind of mining. New developments have been made daily in the rich QUARTZ veins which abound in every part of the State, some of them containing untold fortunes. One company, about eight miles from this place[Sonora?], have taken out in a few weeks over half a million dollars. Another company about a mile from this city, have within the last four weeks taken out between $35,000 and $40,000. As much as 60 to 70 thousand dollars have been taken out of a single claim, but in most cases they have had their labor for their pains. "FOREIGNERS have not been allowed to possess any interest whatever in any quartz vein, although they have not been prevented from making contracts for working the veins, for an interest in the proceeds or on wages. Every claim of 100 feet or more must be marked out and the names of the claimants posted o it. "Indeed , this branch of mining is just in its INFANCY, but it has been demonstrated that nearly all the quartz veins in the country will pay handsomely when proper machinery is erected for CRUSHING the quartz rock and extracting the gold therefrom. In less than a year from now we may reasoably expect to see machinery erected on nearly every hilltop for the purpose of grinding the quartz rock."(Christman's One'Man's Gold(1930). Sorta nice overview, I thought:-), Bob Norris in Dallas <BNorris166aol.com>

Cindy and all, I know that people have been playing bocce ball in Monterey, at least, for decades. Since Italians have been there for a lot longer than I can remember, I would guess bocce has been there all that time... Adrienne Melbourne, FL At 07:32 PM 7/29/98 -0700, RUDECINDA LOBUGLIO wrote: >Hi Carolyn: > Isn't Bocce, the Italian game, similiar. Not sure if the early >Californians played something like that or not, but sure would like to >know. All the best, Cindy > >---------- >> From: Carolyn Feroben <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [CA-GOLDRUSH-L] "Nevada City in Ashes" >> Date: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 6:39 PM >> >> > > >==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== >Automatic Administrative Reminder: >Please DO NOT post to multiple lists with one email; >this can cause bounced-mail problems for Rootsweb and for >us! > > > > > > >

PLEASE ACCEPT OUR APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY OF THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE. July 25, 1998 Dear Friends and Family, With deep regret we write to tell you that our mom, Millie Hannum, passed away suddenly on Thursday morning. She went outside to do some gardening, and collapsed unexpectedly. It appears her heart stopped immediately. It has been a shock to all of us. Millie was doing very well these last few months, enjoying her multiple retirement activities and feeling good. She was working out in the pool, reading everything in sight, finding new ancestors and cousins through her geneological sleuthing, and visiting friends. She seemed to be very content, and was especially secure in her spiritual life. We are thankful that she was so happy, and that she didn't have to suffer in her death. It's just the way she would have wanted it! We would like to celebrate Millie's life, even as we grieve her death together. We hope you will join us for a memorial service and reception this Saturday, August 1, at 2:00pm. The service will be held at the Apple Tree Village Park Hall in Paradise, California. We would especially enjoy hearing from many of you during the service. If you would like to, please feel free to prepare a brief story or reading that seems relevant or important to you. Each voice in Millie's diverse circle of friends will contribute to the rich memories we share of her life. We know she would relish our laughter and tears that day. Flower arrangements will not be needed at the service, but if you would like to contribute a gift in Millie's honor, we encourage you support one of her greatest passions. You may send gifts to the Paradise Genealogical Society, Inc., P.O. Box 460, Paradise, CA, 95967. We are doing all we can to inform Millie's friends and family, but we know we may have inadvertently left out people who are important to her. Please share this news with others, and invite them to join us at the service. Sincerely, Millie's Kids: Becky, Ed and Marta Becky Kohler, 1825 Belleville Rd., Roanoke, VA 24015 Ed, Erik and Brian Kohler, 4664 Deer Creek Lane, Concord, CA 94521 Marta Gardner, 1030 S. Dunsmuir Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90019

Subject : Hornitos Masonic Lodge, 1856 With the permission of listmember Chriss Chapman here is a fun little story of relating the "family story" to the written word! Chriss sent me this "family story" of a member of her Mariposa County THORN family: Colonel Thomas THORNs grand son George, (my gr grandmothers brother) used dynamite to make a basement in that lodge while the building was there. The building sits on a rock foundatiion, and the only cement is under the rocks and above the basement. The rock foundation is just stacked rocks. Amazing that it still stands. In order to get the cement to dry in the basement they had to cut a hole in the side of the wall of the basement to let air in. Really something isn't it. Chriss -------- Looking at _ The Gold of Old Hornitos_ by Francisco Salazar, as told to WIlliam B Secrest, pub 1964, this story might amuse you! In 1856 the Masonic Lodge was established in what was formerly the old High Tone Saloon(!) building. This was one of the earliest Masonic Lodges in the state (#98 ) and had the distinction of being the only lodge permitted to hold meetings on the ground floor. When it ws deemed necessary to add a basement to the building, bids were solicited, and it was discovered that the low bidder had offered to do the job for nothing. (Now you have to start wondering what's up!) After the basement had been completed, it was discovered that the contractor had taken upwards of $8,000 out of the dirt he had removed:))! Being a shrewd (resourceful) man, he had reasoned that the building had been built during the first days of the camp and the ground had never been worked. He had taken every wheelbarrow of dirt down to the creek (Burns) and panned it for gold!! ==================== They say every family story has some truth in it, and we just wonder if this is "the rest of the story"! It is really fun to see that history and genealogy may have come together for this unnamed contractor mentioned in the book! In anycase it will enrich(G) the THORN family story of the Hornitos Masonic Lodge basement! The first weekend in October the Hornitos Flea Market is held and the Masonic Lodge will be open for viewing. Makes the tour a little more interesting now! Have fun, Carolyn http://www.compuology.com/cagenweb/maripcty.htm

Howdy, Probably a penultimate Christman Diary posting:-). It's now September, 1851, when we join our diarist/49er Enos CHRISTMAN: "On last Sunday[Sept 7th] I attended a GRAND bullfight. The place in which the exhibition took place was a large circular pen, surrounded by a high fence, on one side of which was a large door opening to a small pen where the bulls were kept confined. About 10 feet distant from the fence was a high wall of canvas and still outside of this was a heavy brush fence to keep off interlopers and prevent those from seeing who were unwilling to pay their two dollars and fifty cents.The wide space between the canvas and the inner fence waa filled up with rudely erected seats which were crowded with men and women, the former of all nations and the latter principally dark-eyed damsels of Spanish and Indian descent, dressed in their gayest holiday attire. "At THREE O'CLOCK the performance commenced by admitting two Mexican horsemen gaudily attired and armed with long spears; then came three or four men, with red flags[:-)]. They made thier politest bows and after the band had played a lively air, the door opened and in bounded a large, wild bull. At first he made at the footmen but by quick manoeuvres they avoided his plunges. He then ran at the horsemen and for a time they kept him from doing any harm by piercing him with their long spears but they were not quick enough, for he soon knocked one ot the horses down and his rider senseless. Immediately after the man fell he was removed by some of his companions, the bull's attention being attracted to one of the footmen with a red flag. The other rider was soon unhorsed and at one time the bull bid fair to become master of the ring. "At this stage of the performance, a dusky Mexican senorita, magnificiently dressed, entered the arena, sword in hand. For a time she parried with the bull, pricking him slightly and stepping quickly to one side whenever he ran toward her. He soon became furious, roaring and tossing his horns high into the air and making the most formidable plunges at the lady until, at a favorable opportunity, she plunged the sword to the hilt into the breast of the animal. She was sprinkled with crimson dye, and in a moment the beast lay dead at her feet. The lady was greeted with a shower of silver dollars and a shout of applause that made the welkin[sky,air] ring. She then retired. An intermission of a few minutes..."(From Christman's One Man's Gold). NOTE: Folks, after intermission, they held a grizzly bear and wild bull fight - not my cup of tea. On page 200; if it's yours:-.) Boy, wouldn't it have been fun to watch as, Miss Ellen - the future Mrs. Christman, back home in West Chester, PA read this account. Betcha, she never even heard about a bull fight, much less Tyrone Power or Anthony Quinn:-). Bob Norris in Dallas <BNorris166aol.com>

Carolyn: Thanks for the interesting information, especially because one line of the article called it a "bowling alley" and another article in the book called it a "ball alley," so I had my doubts. Forgot to mention earlier that headlines read that total losses were estimated to be $1,000,000.00 between houses and businesses that were lost. PatriciaJ <[email protected]> ListMom Carolyn Feroben wrote: > > E_or_P_Rowell wrote:1! > > > > Bob... or anyone... any idea when bowling became popular > > in the U.S. (especially California)? > > Pat, > Archaeologists have discovered bowling balls, pins and other equipment > in an Egyptian > child's grave dating back to 5200 B.C. > > And it was the Dutch who introduced the sport to > America in the 1600s -- it was called Dutch pins. In what is now New > York City, Dutch residents > bowled in a section of the city still known as "Bowling Green." > source for the above: > http://www.101percent.com/education/sports/bowling/history.html > > Didn't find a reference to a Californa date, but our 49ers may have > brought it with them! > > Have fun, Carolyn