Howdy, Been working on a couple of Kanesville/Council Bluffs overland emigrant "jumping-off-places" postings. No problem with the one in 1860, which I'll post first. But I have encountered some interesting confusion among the diarists/editors/annotators in 1850-1852. I think I have verified that Kanesville founded in 1846 finally changed its name in 1853 to Council Bluffs. But the diarists seem to use both names interchangeably beginning around 1850 - drove me crazy for awhile:-))) To the point: Either in 1850 or in 1852,:"The Frontier Guardian & Iowa Sentinel", a Kanesville/Council Bluffs newspaper, reportedly established a "general register" of persons passing through on their way west. I won't elaborate the confusion - save it for my posting. Any of you folks aware of this register of overland emigrants? Do you know where it is today? Viewable? One editor/annotator mentions seeing microfilm of the May 15, 1850 edition of the "Frontier Guardian" - don't know whether this was just for names or is of the registry itself because another diarist says the general registry wasn't established until 1852. I wonder if Rasmussen's Wagon Train Book/Books contains this registry in its/their bibliography? Maybe this will turn out to be a nothing registry/list. Again, it might be worth pursuing. No stone unturned:-) Bob Norris in Dallas <BNorris166aol.com>

Hello, I have one of those "unverified" family traditions that a Charles MOULTON was the father of my ancestress Clara Moulton b. September 1843 in Licking Co., OH. Charles was suppossedly married to Lydia SHERMAN, but disappeared in the Gold Rush of 1849. Like all other traditions, this one seems to have no hard evidence, as of yet. I am not able to prove that "Charles" is his real name. I have been unable to locate the daughter and suppossed mother in the 1850 Census of Licking Co., OH. or in Indiana, where the daughter ended up. Does anyone have access to the 1850 Census of California that can give me a run down on any possible MOULTON listings?

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Thank you once again! I'll put this on NORCAL to see if our research specialist, Sandra H. is back from her trip. Sandra, is there any way you can add this item to your list? The 27 Sep 1852 Sacramento Union has a listing (from Placerville) of new arrivals in California, which included my James M. Scott + family. Gladly pay for a copy or how many pages it might take. Thanks for your help! PatriciaJ <[email protected]> Rootsweb Sponsor James R. Smith wrote: > > Patricia, > > That paper should be on microfilm at the state library. It IS available > since it was Mr. Rasmussen's source document. > Jim > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, E_or_P_Rowell wrote: > > > Dear Jim > > Thank you so much! I've been away most of today (Sunday) > > and didn't get home to the computer until after 11pm. It > > looks like my family, for sure...I have so many dates of > > arrival, it's very confusing. Oh, I hope I can get a copy > > of that article, but The Sacramento Union has been defunct > > for many years. I need to find out the best way to locate > > that Sep 1852 edition! > > > > Thank you again. I really appreciate you and your efforts > > to help others as well as myself. > > Patricia <[email protected]> > > Rootsweb Sponsor > > > > > > James R. Smith wrote: > > > > > > Hi Pat, > > > > > > Here's what I have. fist names were rarely used in these accounts but > > > hey, we have two initials plus family. I think this is yours. > > > > > > Rasmussen, Louise J., California Wagon Train Lists, Vol.1, > > > April 5, 1849 to October 20, 1852 p.167 > > > > > > Placerville, Ca (Sep. 1852) The Sacramento union of september 27, 1852 > > > published a list of overland emmigrants who had arrived in Placeville > > > during the third week of September, 1852. The list is reporduced as > > > follows: > > > > > > T. Simmons S. Hillis J.M. Burrel /sic/ > > > ... > > > J.D.McKnight J.M. Scott and family A. Rowley > > > ... > > > > > > Lots more names of course, but not pertenent to you. I know it's > > > earlier than the year you have listed but they may have used the > > > year they arrived at their final destination rather than when they > > > got to CA. Most folks pressed on and got to CA in less than a year. > I expect they left in Spring of '52 and headed straight to CA. > > > Nothing worth stopping at along the way. > > > > > > Now you need to get a copy of that newspaper clipping! <VBG> > > > Jim > > > > > > ====================================================================== > > > James R. Smith Amdahl Corporation > > > Manager, Diagnostic Development 1250 E. Arques Ave. MS-249 > > > DV Bronco Project Manager P.O. Box 3470 > > > College Recruiting Manager for Comp.Sys.Dev. Sunnyvale, CA 94088-3470 > > > Mail: [email protected] Phone (408) 737-5896 > > > > > > > ================================================================================ > James R. Smith Amdahl Corporation > Manager, Diagnostic Development 1250 E. Arques Ave. MS-249 > DV Bronco Project Manager P.O. Box 3470 > College Recruiting Manager for Comp.Sys.Dev. Sunnyvale, CA 94088-3470 > Mail: [email protected] Phone (408) 737-5896

Hi Pat, I thought perhaps new listmembers would like to know how to find Jim to resource the Rasmussen information for them. Although Jim is not a GOLDRUSH listmember he is available through the site below along with GOLDRUSH listmembers Yvonne and Cindy (I don't know if the other two volunteers (Jean and Teddy) are GOLDRUSH listmembers). For a list of these volunteers and others see the NORCAL Library (hosted by Yvonne Bowers of NORCAl fame and fellow GOLDRUSH listmember) : http://www.sonic.net/yvonne/norcallib.html This is another great resource to include in your California Research Volunteers bookmark file. Have fun, Carolyn E_or_P_Rowell wrote: > > Dear Jim snip > Thank you again. I really appreciate you and your efforts > to help others as well as myself. > Patricia <[email protected]> > Rootsweb Sponsor > > James R. Smith wrote: > > > > Hi Pat, > > > > Here's what I have. fist names were rarely used in these accounts but > > hey, we have two initials plus family. I think this is yours. > > > > Rasmussen, Louise J., California Wagon Train Lists, Vol.1, > > April 5, 1849 to October 20, 1852 p.167 > > > snip

Howdy, In a prior posting, I concluded: " ... the VAST majority of the early OVERLAND goldrushers (1849-1852) departed from one of the Missouri River towns(Independence and St. Jo). Of these, about 75%(3/4ths) left on the old Oregon Trail along(N or S) the North Platte River ... <snip> <snip> " the remaining 25%(1/4th) headed southwest on the Santa Fe Trail to Santa Fe(&vacinity) and then the various Southern Trails..to CA <snip> <snip>." These broad brush findings surprised me. But it does focus those interested in the overland gold seekers on these staging area, MO river towns. The "Overland Diary of James A. PRITCHARD from Kentucky to California in 1849" contains probably the most quoted description of Independence, MO in 1849. .First, a CAVEAT: I have no idea whether James PRITCHARD and our Enos CHRISTMAN attended the same school/schools. But if they did, they failed to share ENGLISH teachers:-))) But let's listen to 49er/diaristPritchard as he writes on April 22, 1849: "We reached Indipendence this morning at 8 Oclk A. M & continued to the river where we found the ballance of our company & Baggage...It was 6 ms from where we stayed last night to Indipendence & 3 from there to the landing. We commenced hearnessed up our mules & loaded in our goods & chattles and moved out one mile to a good camping place on the road towards Town where we camped for serveral days. Distance to Independence 6 miles. "The whole distance from St. Louis Mo. to Indipendence according to the sta[te]ment of distances as given to me by the inhabitance along the road - from place to place & from time to time which I presume to be correct as I got it from the most relyable sources - is two hundred & Eighty Eight[288] miles. We were all ready to start on our trip across the plaines by the 24 of April but we were perswaded by the old setlers that, that was too early as we would find no grass upon the plaines for our Stock. "In view of these statements we postponed starting till the 3 of May. And remained during the time encamped in and around Indipendence. But this advice we found to be extreamly detrimental to us. It served only to place us in the reare of a great number of large traines which we were compelled eventually to pass. We prepaired to take with us grane enough to feed our mules trwice pr day fro a distance of 400 miles. Therefore we Should have started at last 10 or 12 days sooner, which would have given us great advantages in the way of selecting good camping places. "Indipendence is a handsome flourishing town with a high healthy situation, three miles from the Missouri River on the South side and Surrounded by one of the most beautiful & fertile countries of any Town in the Nation. The land is well timbered with the most luxuriant groth of black Walnut Blue & Black Ash, Hackbury large Bur White & black Oak Buckey [e] Boxelder Coffee mut [nut?] etc. Soil with that groth of timebar cannot help being abundantly productive besides is such that the climate is unsurpassed in the Union. "The emigrants were encamped in every direction for miles around the time to come for their departure. Such were the crouded condition of the Streets of Ind by long traines of Ox teams mule teams men there with stock for Sale and men there to purchase stock that it was ll most impossible to pass along. And the California fever rageing to such a fearful extent that it was carrying off its thousand pr day. "Being all ready now to bid adieu to homes, friends, and happy Country, as it were - for we were about Separating ourselves from the abodes of Civilization, it peace, comeforts, and its saf[e]ty, for a period we knew not how long, and to some for ever, to launch away upon the broad and extensive plaines, which Straches away and away, untill it fades from the sight in the dim distance, and bounded only by the blue wall of the Sky."(From "The Overland Diary of James A. Pritchard from Kentucky to California in 1849", edited by Dale L. Morgan: The Old West Publishing Co. MCMLIX) NOTE: James Budde, OCTA treasurer, suggested this book to me as a possible trail reference in my search for the wagon train that, about a year later, carried my ggmMary and her aunt and uncle, also from KY, to Sonoma.CA. This Pritchard book also lists all of the THEN known diarists, with comparison charts, that traveled west across South Pass(Northern Trail) in 1849. A little change of pace:-) If it's ok, we might look at another overland jumping-off place or two. Bob Norris in Dallas <BNorris166aol.com>

Hi Sharon and welcome. The California Helplist volunteers are a great resource for your search. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/6995/ You mention that you know your folks were in Butte, Calaveras and Shasta Counties. There is a volunteer to help you from Calaveras and Shasta Counties (no Butte volunteer at _this*_ site). Posted below is the name of the volunteer and the resources these folks can search for you. Note that the Shasta County volunteer specifically mentions land records! Calaveras County, CA Dru C. (King) Lewis [email protected] Calaveras County, California Calaveras County records (birth, marriages, deaths) Local Cemeteries Shasta County, CA Maria Edwards [email protected] Redding Area Newpapers - Obituaries Vital Records Index County Court House Land Records Shast Co. Historical Society (Covered Wagon Index) *I have more sites and sources to send later- Have fun, Carolyn > > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > I was wondering since I have just started looking into my gr,gr, grandfather > > > and families life in CA during the gold mining time, if anyone out there would > > > have any good ideas which books might hold information about my ancestors? > > > > > > They went to CA from MO in the early 1870's and I have found them in Calaveras > > > Co and also in Butte co and Shasta Co. I know they mined for gold and even had > > > a claim on a gold mine. I don't know which one. Their name was CATES. > > > (John Mathis or Mathew and also his sons, John Mathew and George Washington) > > > > > > I suppose I should try to find land records on them... > > > > > > > > > > > Sharon Moore > > > [email protected] > > > > > >

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Dear Sharon: As you are a rather new subscriber, are you aware of the CA-GOLDRUSH web page where we post our queries on the "Most Wanted Early CA 49'ers?" You can visit the page at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8861/goldrush98.htm If you decide to add a query on your CATES family, please send it to the [email protected] address with the Subject: "Most Wanted...(ancestor's name)" Good luck, and thanks for your nice words about the list. PatriciaJ - ListMom Rootsweb Sponsor [email protected] wrote: > > I was wondering since I have just started looking into my gr,gr, grandfather > and families life in CA during the gold mining time, if anyone out there would > have any good ideas which books might hold information about my ancestors? > > They went to CA from MO in the early 1870's and I have found them in Calaveras > Co and also in Butte co and Shasta Co. I know they mined for gold and even had > a claim on a gold mine. I don't know which one. Their name was CATES. > (John Mathis or Mathew and also his sons, John Mathew and George Washington) > > I suppose I should try to find land records on them... > > I would be delighted to have someone point me in the right direction. Or share > anything that might give reference to them in those Co.'s from 1872 to 1900's > or so. > > I enjoy reading what all of you submit about the Gold Rush. Very interesting > reading. Thank you. > > Sharon Moore > [email protected] > > ==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== > Automatic Administrative Reminder: > Remove (snip away) as much of the Original Message as > possible when REPLYING to a List message. Include only > the part(s) of the original message important to your > reply.

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Dear Jim Thank you so much! I've been away most of today (Sunday) and didn't get home to the computer until after 11pm. It looks like my family, for sure...I have so many dates of arrival, it's very confusing. Oh, I hope I can get a copy of that article, but The Sacramento Union has been defunct for many years. I need to find out the best way to locate that Sep 1852 edition! Thank you again. I really appreciate you and your efforts to help others as well as myself. Patricia <[email protected]> Rootsweb Sponsor James R. Smith wrote: > > Hi Pat, > > Here's what I have. fist names were rarely used in these accounts but > hey, we have two initials plus family. I think this is yours. > > Rasmussen, Louise J., California Wagon Train Lists, Vol.1, > April 5, 1849 to October 20, 1852 p.167 > > Placerville, Ca (Sep. 1852) The Sacramento union of september 27, 1852 > published a list of overland emmigrants who had arrived in Placeville > during the third week of September, 1852. The list is reporduced as > follows: > > T. Simmons S. Hillis J.M. Burrel /sic/ > ... > J.D.McKnight J.M. Scott and family A. Rowley > ... > > Lots more names of course, but not pertenent to you. I know it's > earlier than the year you have listed but they may have used the > year they arrived at their final destination rather than when they > got to CA. Most folks pressed on and got to CA in less than a year. > I expect they left in Spring of '52 and headed straight to CA. > Nothing worth stopping at along the way. > > Now you need to get a copy of that newspaper clipping! <VBG> > Jim > > ====================================================================== > James R. Smith Amdahl Corporation > Manager, Diagnostic Development 1250 E. Arques Ave. MS-249 > DV Bronco Project Manager P.O. Box 3470 > College Recruiting Manager for Comp.Sys.Dev. Sunnyvale, CA 94088-3470 > Mail: [email protected] Phone (408) 737-5896 >

Bryan, I am working on how to instructions to research the same. I have asked a friend to mine to research a mining claim in another county. This person does not have any experience in researching the same. I am going to provide them with step by step instructions. Once we have gone through this process, then I will post the same, plus additional information. As to your questions about where mining claims they are recorded in each county. How the title passes is another story, but that I will elaborate later. In addition many mining districts, also organized and then there are the minute books, in which the miners met, and set up their own laws and regulations. These are fascinating books, which usually do not show up on a County Recorder's list of records, because they only have an indirect relation to title to property. Tim

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------353F74715662 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Susan has forwarded this message below from Chuck Boydstun, President of the Paradise Genealogical Society regarding yesterdays services for Millie. It must have been a very touching service. My best, Carolyn --------------353F74715662 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: [email protected] Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by mail-sf1.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA03954 for <[email protected]>; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pobox.alaska.net ([email protected] [204.17.139.2]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id MAA04526 for <[email protected]>; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 12:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from default (dialups-104.anchorage.ptialaska.net [198.70.228.104]) by pobox.alaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA04136; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:29:54 -0800 (AKDT) Message-Id: <[email protected]> X-Sender: [email protected] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:28:51 -0800 To: [email protected] From: Susan Vallejo <[email protected]> Subject: 'Our Millie' Cc: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] >Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:22:57 -0800 >To: [email protected] >>>>X-From_: [email protected] Sun Aug 2 09:25:57 1998 >>>>Received: from smtp1.jps.net (smtp1.jps.net [209.63.224.236]) >>>> by alaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25625 >>>>Reply-To: "Chuck Boydstun" <[email protected]> >>>>From: "Chuck Boydstun" <[email protected]> >>>>Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:28:34 -0700 >>>Subject: Memorial for Millie August 1, 1998 >>>>To all concerned: >>>>Millie Hannum's memorial service was a beautifully organized effort on the >>>>part of her loving family. Friends, co-workers and relatives, numbering >>>>between 80-100, spoke of the events during her lifetime. >>>>Naturally, there were "funny" stories and "sad" stories. Susan, the poem reading >>>>that you requested, was very much appreciated. >>>>No doubt, Millie was looking down with great pride. >>>>Chuck Boydstun > > ^ > /|\ > / | \ > / /| \ > \ | / / / | \ > \|/ / / | \ > ---0--- / / | \ > /|\ / / |______\ > / | \ /_/_____| \ > ---------------^--- > \ Sugar Time) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Maneuvering to sail into the sunset" > Susan Vallejo and Donald E. Bigelow, Anchorage, Alaska > > --------------353F74715662--

I was wondering since I have just started looking into my gr,gr, grandfather and families life in CA during the gold mining time, if anyone out there would have any good ideas which books might hold information about my ancestors? They went to CA from MO in the early 1870's and I have found them in Calaveras Co and also in Butte co and Shasta Co. I know they mined for gold and even had a claim on a gold mine. I don't know which one. Their name was CATES. (John Mathis or Mathew and also his sons, John Mathew and George Washington) I suppose I should try to find land records on them... I would be delighted to have someone point me in the right direction. Or share anything that might give reference to them in those Co.'s from 1872 to 1900's or so. I enjoy reading what all of you submit about the Gold Rush. Very interesting reading. Thank you. Sharon Moore [email protected]

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Hi Patricia: Even though pink (all shades even to Magenta) is my very favorite color, I think pages 3 and 4 are much easier to read, and the poppies and the gold bars stand out better. Either is beautiful and you've done a great job with the pages. One day soon, I too might have time to enter my "Most Wanted" ancestors. Thank you for being our List Mom. Best wishes, Cindy ---------- > From: E_or_P_Rowell <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CA-GOLDRUSH-L] Web Page Background color > Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 2:47 PM

Just a note to ask those who might be interested to take a look at the web page color change. What I'd like is a comparison - do you like the original background color on pages 1 & 2? Or, do you prefer the background color now on pages 3 & 4? Send your impressions to me personally, not to the list at this tiime>>>... <[email protected]> Thank you, PJ ListMom - Rootsweb Sponsor

Dear Tim: What an interesting question! I looked through the indexes of my 'historical' books, and none had a peanut shop listed. One hardship is that so many of my early history books are not indexed, so I didn't check them. Maybe Ruth's encyclopedia has the answer for you! Good luck, PJ ListMom - Rootsweb Sponsor TIM I PURDY wrote: > > Quincy Union, Quincy, Plumas County, California 14 July 1866 3;2 > > Sawpit Plat. Times are lively at this time. Three saloons, one public > house and two peanut shops <snipped...> > > Okay, can someone explain to me a peanut shop? This is the first time I > have come across this. > > Thanks, > > Tim Purdy > Susanville, CA 96130 > [email protected] > > ==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== > Automatic Administrative Reminder: > There is a web page devoted to holding queries for the > "Most Wanted of our Lost in California Ancestors" for > members of this mailing list. Visit: > <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8861/goldrush98.htm> > Short entries generally get the most attention.