Ralph: Many county genealogical societies indexed "their" portion of the 1852 CA census. It would be an individual county search to determine availability. Patricia <[email protected]> ListMom Rootsweb Sponsor Ralph Anderson wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a published index for this census? > > Ralph Anderson > Boulder, CO > [email protected] > > ----------

George: For the Sonoma Co. portion try the Sonoma Co. On-line Library Genealogy Annex http://www.sonoma.lib.ca.us/ You can also post a query to: http://www.compuology.com/cagenweb/snomacty.htm The Sonoma County CAGenWeb page. Lewis M. Ruddick

Dear George, and other New Comers to CA-GOLDRUSH List: There is a web page for CA-GOLDRUSH queries at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8861/goldrush98.htm There are four pages currently posted, so try to spend some time there and consider placing your "Most Wanted Early CA Ancestor" query(ies) there, following posted instructions. As long as you are a subscriber to this list, your queries will remain there (at no charge) for everyone to see. Patricia <[email protected]> ListMom George Gildersleeve wrote: > My ancestor, DS BOWMAN, arrived at Hangtown on 6 Sep 1850 after having > left Independance, MO on 5 Apr 1850. He walked accompanied with three > young companions including his cousin, Clayton BOYLES. One of the > other companions died enroute. David apparently tried mining for a > couple of years in the area then moved on to Sonoma County where he > had one of the first orchards and erected the first wooden structure > in the area. He and his family moved onto the Washington Territory in > 1871. > Is there any way I can research his life in the goldrush area and > Sonoma County. > Any suggestions of search areas is greatly appreciated. > George Gildersleeve >

My ancestor, DS BOWMAN, arrived at Hangtown on 6 Sep 1850 after having left Independance, MO on 5 Apr 1850. He walked accompanied with three young companions including his cousin, Clayton BOYLES. One of the other companions died enroute. David apparently tried mining for a couple of years in the area then moved on to Sonoma County where he had one of the first orchards and erected the first wooden structure in the area. He and his family moved onto the Washington Territory in 1871. Is there any way I can research his life in the goldrush area and Sonoma County. Any suggestions of search areas is greatly appreciated. George Gildersleeve

Eugene: Thanks for answering my plea for help in obtaining information on my great great grandfather, Robert Nelson, miner and farmer in El Dorado County, CA. c 1870. I will follow through with the address you sent and hopefully get "lucky". My grandparents, Frank and Anna Kirtlan either owned or leased the Golden West Hotel in Diamond Springs 1899-19??, Later they ran (owned or leased) the Western Hotel in Placerville. My grandmother, Anna Nelson Kirtlan, daughter of Robert and Sophia Nelson, was born and raised in Diamond Springs. I have a picture of Rev. Pierce who was a traveling minister. Records may exist, but so far I haven't found them, that may help in my search for information on the Nelson family. If you have any information to share with me, I would certainly appreciate it. Thanks again. Helen Thanks again to Carolyn who has been great in helping me in the past. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Keywords: THOMPSON, RANDOLPH Gold Run, Donner Pass, Emigrant Gap, Los Angeles Thank you for responding, Bob. This may very well be the same W.C. RANDOLPH, but I don't think he was in the wagon train with my Thomas THOMPSON, not if RANDOLPH arrived in Los Angeles. My THOMPSON's arrived in Gold Run, which is in the Sierra Nevada along present day Interstate-80. I've always assumed they must have come over Donner Pass or Emigrant Gap. Thank you for taking the time to post, anyway. Diana At 12:46 PM 10/6/98 -0400, [email protected] wrote: > >Hi Diana, > I think I have one of the guys you mention below: W. C. RANDOLPH. But it >may take some doing to get his account:-). Editor Dale Morgan in "The Overland >Diary of James A PRITCHARD from KY to CA in 1849" lists various known diarists >across South Pass in 1849. Randolph is NOT one of them. But Dale Morgan does >in Note 1 say that: > " 1. "The Ithaca Company reached California by a remarkable route, taking >the Santa Fe Trail to Pueblo....;thence going via the Cache la Poudre[my old >trout fishing stream:-)], Laramie Plains, Browns Hole, and Fort Uintah to Utah >Valley, from which they took the Southern road to Los Angeles. See Charles V. >STUART to H.H, BANCROFT, August 4, 1872, in Bancroft Library Mss.(C-E 65, >No.30). STUART gives the names of many of his fellow travelers..... FOR OTHER >accounts of travel by this route, see the dictations in the Bancroft >Library.......W.C.RANDOLPH (C-D 143)......" > Maybe two W.C. Randolphs, but this is sure worth a shot.You gotta talk to >someone else about getting stuff from Bancroft Liberry though. > Please let me know how this comes out - also, it I can further help. >Have a nice day, >Bob >

Howdy, Scatter-shooting my 49er diaires/journals, I hit upon a sorta interesting description of 1849 San Francisco. It's in "Three Years in California - William PERKINS' Journal of Life at Sonora, 1849-1852". eds.Dale L. Morgan & James R. Scobie; (Berkeley:U of CA Press 1964)" Let's look at PERKINS'' journal entry: "It was in the 'merry month of May,'[actually June 9th?] in the year of 1849, that we arrived in California. The coast in the vicinity of the Bay of San Francisco is rugged and bare of vegetation. The coast range of mountains appears here to project into the sea, forming a dangerous lee shore; and the entrance to the bay is so narrow, and hidden by great masses of rocks, that in dark or foggy weather, the vessels have to lay well off, and wait for it to clear up..... "The Golden Gate, as the entrance to this magnificant harbor is poetically denominated[Please see NOTE below] is about a mile wide at its narrowest part, and about four miles long. In the centre, just before entering the inner harbor, stands a solitary naked rock, like a sentinel guarding the gateway. Passing this rock, which commands the entrance and the bay, the harbor opens out to the right and left, into a broad expanse of water 70 miles long by 10 to 15 feet wide[?]. "Immediately on rounding the point to the right, the town of San Francisco comes in sight, beautifully situated on the inner slope of the coast heights, fronting the bay, and with its rear to the sea, from which it is separated by a neck of highlands, five miles wide...... "The day was gloomy, windy and cold, when we rounded the inner point of the passage; and I confess that the feeling of satisfaction at having safely accomplished a long and perilous journey, was somewhat mingled with regret and disappointment. " The scene that presented itself was not calculated to inspire a cheerful feeling. The town itself, as seen from the deck of the vesse[brig "Johanna and Oluffa"], was wretched enough.The anchoring ground was crowded with vessels of all sizes, and apparently deserted by their crews. This we found to be actually the case. The greed of gold was too powerful an incentive for the sailors; and in many instances a ship has been left by her crew, captain and officers at anchor in the tide without a soul on board to take care of her, and sometimes even with valuable cargo on board" ".....In 1849, San Francisco presented a strange aspect. The old town was composed of some scores of poor adobe huts, with four or five houses of a better class. The plaza or square [Portsmouth Square], situated at that time with a hundred yards of high water, had on its upper side two old-fashioned buildings, the principal ones in the town. One was the alcalde's house, the other a government building, occupied at the time I am speaking of, as a post office. "Here and there, without much regard to regularity, were scattered the mud houses or rather huts of the natives. "But these were features completely thrown into the shade by what we may call the New town, which, not as yet offering any buildings as solid even as adobe, monopolized notwithstanding the attention, on account of its lightness and gaiety. "Tents of all colors; light wooden structures; deck cabins from the vessels; brush houses lined with cotton cloth, were placed wherever an open space was to be found near the sea. "The slope of the hills presented the appearance of a military encampment on a SPREE; the tents pitched without regularity, and piles of mercandise scattered about in all directions. "The PARKER HOUSE had just been erected; the first American house perhaps in California. It had been brought out ready framed, and was placed on the lower side of the plaza. Already its spacious rooms were full of gambler's tables; and the gamblers themselves were even at this time the aristocracy of the place. ".....The streets were full, piled up in places, with merchandise of every kind. Boxes of tobacco and kegs of nails formed a pavement from the sea to the plaza. Valuable goods outside of all the tents and houses were strewed about, apparently uncared for.... I have not exaggerated the fact of the pavement being in places being composed of kegs of nails and boxes of cavendish tobacco, which were well embedded in the mud of the streets which led from the bay to the plaza. "The tide rises about six feet, and at low water about a hundred acres of the bay becomes a muddy morass, and made the landing extremely disagreeable and even difficult. Two years after my arrival, this space contained the FINEST streets of the city." NOTE :In a footnote, Editor Dale Morgan gives this origin for Golden Gate's name as: "John Charles FREMONT orgininated the term 'Chrysopylae' or Golden Gate in his "Geographical Memoir upon Upper Califorinia"(Washington, 1848). The name was applied , he says, 'on the same principle that the harbor of Byzantium..[later Constantinople] was called 'Chrysoceras' (goldn horn). The form of the harbor, and its advantages for commerce (and that before it became an entrepot[warehouse?] of eastern commerce) suggested the name to the Greek founders of Byzantium. The form of the entrance into the bay of San Francisco, and its advantages for commerce(Asiatic inclusive) suggest the name which is given this instrance.'" Boy, things sure changed fast back then:-) Bob Norris in Dallas <BNorris166aol.com>

Diana, The Society of California Pioneers internet site: http://www.wenet.net/~pioneers/ may be of some help to you. The Alice PHELAN SULLIVAN Library (associated with the Society) http://www.wenet.net/~pioneers/alice.html contains many diaries, manuscripts, biographies, etc. I have the Transactions and 1863 roster of the Society and will look and see what I have on any of the names you mention. The Society did not incorporate/organize until 1862 although it was conceived in 1850. The first elections were held in April 8, 1862. Have fun, Carolyn Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > > RE: pioneeers arriving in California (at Gold Run?) by wagon train on 20 Sept > 1849 > > My 3rd great-grandfather, Rev. Thomas THOMPSON, came to California from Paris, > MO, in 1849. In his company was his third wife, the twice widowed Mildred Bell > (CAVE) WESTERFIELD LAINE THOMPSON, and their children by their previous > marriages. Among them was a youthful Thomas Henry LAINE, who later became a > lawyer, a California State Senator, and a framer of the California State > Constitution. Thomas THOMPSON was a noted founder of the Disciples of Christ > churches in northern California. > > Sadly, we have no family account (no journal or diary) recording their overland > journey. All we know is that they were said to have left Paris on May 15th and > to have arrived "in California" on September 20th, 1849. Exactly *where* they > arrived on Sep 20th is unknown, but it is known that they spent their first > year in California at Gold Run. They spent their next year at Coloma, then in > 1851, moved permanently to Santa Clara, CA. > > But surely someone in that 1849 wagon train kept a journal. My aunt has > checked the "California Wagon Trains" book, and our THOMPSONs are not in it. > What I have found is a copy of: > Allen, Walter C. 1948. The Society of California Pioneers: Centennial Roster, > Commemorative Edition. (No publisher given, but presumed to be the society > itself.) > > In the index, it gives the date that each member arrived in California, and > while Thomas THOMPSON is not listed as a member of the society, his step-son > Thomas Henry LAINE is (though his name is misspelled LANE). > > I have gone through this book and copied down the names of every member who > gives their arrival date in California as 20 Sept 1849. I'm hoping against > hope that one of them was in the same wagon train as our THOMPSON's and LAINE's > and that somewhere out there is a journal of their trip. > > ADRAIN, William > ANDERSON, John > BURKE, Ethelbert > DUNCAN, William L. > FARISH, Adam T. > FISCHER, Joseph > GAGE, A.K. > GOODWIN, Jesse O. > GROAT, Richard V. > HARKNESS, Martin K. > HASKINS, Charles W. > HAY, Henry > LANE, Thomas H. > McGLANAHAN, Thomas M. > MORGAN, James H. > PALMER, Noah > RANDOLPH, W.C. > STEVENS, Cornelius > STORM, Cornelius > STORY, William F. > THORNE, Isaac N. > > Diana

RE: pioneeers arriving in California (at Gold Run?) by wagon train on 20 Sept 1849 My 3rd great-grandfather, Rev. Thomas THOMPSON, came to California from Paris, MO, in 1849. In his company was his third wife, the twice widowed Mildred Bell (CAVE) WESTERFIELD LAINE THOMPSON, and their children by their previous marriages. Among them was a youthful Thomas Henry LAINE, who later became a lawyer, a California State Senator, and a framer of the California State Constitution. Thomas THOMPSON was a noted founder of the Disciples of Christ churches in northern California. Sadly, we have no family account (no journal or diary) recording their overland journey. All we know is that they were said to have left Paris on May 15th and to have arrived "in California" on September 20th, 1849. Exactly *where* they arrived on Sep 20th is unknown, but it is known that they spent their first year in California at Gold Run. They spent their next year at Coloma, then in 1851, moved permanently to Santa Clara, CA. But surely someone in that 1849 wagon train kept a journal. My aunt has checked the "California Wagon Trains" book, and our THOMPSONs are not in it. What I have found is a copy of: Allen, Walter C. 1948. The Society of California Pioneers: Centennial Roster, Commemorative Edition. (No publisher given, but presumed to be the society itself.) In the index, it gives the date that each member arrived in California, and while Thomas THOMPSON is not listed as a member of the society, his step-son Thomas Henry LAINE is (though his name is misspelled LANE). I have gone through this book and copied down the names of every member who gives their arrival date in California as 20 Sept 1849. I'm hoping against hope that one of them was in the same wagon train as our THOMPSON's and LAINE's and that somewhere out there is a journal of their trip. ADRAIN, William ANDERSON, John BURKE, Ethelbert DUNCAN, William L. FARISH, Adam T. FISCHER, Joseph GAGE, A.K. GOODWIN, Jesse O. GROAT, Richard V. HARKNESS, Martin K. HASKINS, Charles W. HAY, Henry LANE, Thomas H. McGLANAHAN, Thomas M. MORGAN, James H. PALMER, Noah RANDOLPH, W.C. STEVENS, Cornelius STORM, Cornelius STORY, William F. THORNE, Isaac N. Diana

Janet, if you are familiar with the CA Room the index is located in the back by the DAR Books, the Cemetery Books, the Whos Who Books and the census indexes. If you face the book shelves with the table (that has the NDGW and DAR index books on it) behind you and then look down to the last two shelves of the bookcase you will see the large dark blue books on those shelves are the Alta Index. To the right side is the location of the County History Books (the Alcove) and to the left side are the file cabinets with the CAIF. Hope this helps you find them. If you need more help ask the staff, Bill and Sybil know where they are. You wrote: > >-- [ From: Janet Anderson * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] -- > >Believe you mentioned the Alta Index (1854-1875) as being in the >California Room in Sacramento. Can you tell me exactly where it is >located? Many thanks. Janet >

Hi Diana, I think I have one of the guys you mention below: W. C. RANDOLPH. But it may take some doing to get his account:-). Editor Dale Morgan in "The Overland Diary of James A PRITCHARD from KY to CA in 1849" lists various known diarists across South Pass in 1849. Randolph is NOT one of them. But Dale Morgan does in Note 1 say that: " 1. "The Ithaca Company reached California by a remarkable route, taking the Santa Fe Trail to Pueblo....;thence going via the Cache la Poudre[my old trout fishing stream:-)], Laramie Plains, Browns Hole, and Fort Uintah to Utah Valley, from which they took the Southern road to Los Angeles. See Charles V. STUART to H.H, BANCROFT, August 4, 1872, in Bancroft Library Mss.(C-E 65, No.30). STUART gives the names of many of his fellow travelers..... FOR OTHER accounts of travel by this route, see the dictations in the Bancroft Library.......W.C.RANDOLPH (C-D 143)......" Maybe two W.C. Randolphs, but this is sure worth a shot.You gotta talk to someone else about getting stuff from Bancroft Liberry though. Please let me know how this comes out - also, it I can further help. Have a nice day, Bob ]In a message Donna wrote: >My 3rd great-grandfather, Rev. Thomas THOMPSON, came to California from >Paris,>MO, in 1849. In his company was his third wife, the twice widowed Mildred >Bell>(CAVE) WESTERFIELD LAINE THOMPSON, and their children by their previous >marriages. northern California. > Sadly, we have no family account (no journal or diary) recording their >overlandjourney. >But surely someone in that 1849 wagon train kept a journal. My aunt has >checked the "California Wagon Trains" book, and our THOMPSONs are not in it. >What I have found is a copy of:>Allen, Walter C. 1948. The Society of California Pioneers: Centennial>Roster, >Commemorative Edition. (No publisher given, but presumed to be the society >itself.) >>In the index, it gives the date that each member arrived in California, and >while Thomas THOMPSON is not listed as a member of the society, his step-son >Thomas Henry LAINE is (though his name is misspelled LANE). > I have gone through this book and copied down the names of every member who >gives their arrival date in California as 20 Sept 1849. I'm hoping against >hope that one of them was in the same wagon train as our THOMPSON's and >LAINE's >and that somewhere out there is a journal of their trip. <snip> > >RANDOLPH, W.C. >Diana > >

A thousand abject apologies. I was wrong. Ancestry.com has given blanket permission for reposting of the content from "Ancestry Daily News." I stand by what I said about copyright infringement, in general. But I was mistaken that such had taken place in this instance. Again, my apologies, Diana P.S. And please excuse me if this message is duplicated. I am using a new email program (Eudora) for the first time, today, and it's got me confused -- as if I weren't confused enough already. Does anyone have the email address of the lady (Peggie?) who made the original post? I seem to have accidentally erased everything I received or posted last night and this morning. I cannot find her original message to send an email directly to her apologizing to her personally. (What a day this is starting out to be. I should stick a message saying "Warning! Menace to Society!" on my back for the day. Clearly, we'd all be better off if I went back to bed... )

------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 15:03:32 -0700 To: [email protected] From: California Map & Travel Center <[email protected]> Subject: Rice Canyon At 03:07 PM 9/17/98 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, I am searching for Rice's Canyon, in Northern Calif. I want to know >if it exists because I was told it was named after a relative, who was >hanged there for horse theft. Is there any way you can direct me to the >historic naming of places like this, as I really want-need to track this >down. > >I have been doing genealogy on my family now for three years and still >haven't found the roads, so to say to get me where the information lies. > >Thank you in advance for any help you can offer, Robin Rice > Robin Rice - Yep, there's a "Rice Canyon" in Sierra County. (don't know 'bout the hangin') The USGS Topo Map is "Sierraville" which should show roads. I didn't find any historical info on the map or Rice Canyon. This was all done using the GNIS database. To order USGS topo maps: Point your browser to mapper.com, then click on the Map Dept. then the USGS logo under the text search box. You will need the official USGS map names to order the maps. Use the GNIS search engine (there are complete instructions for the GNIS search engine and sample maps on the left side of the screen) to locate the map names [use "Sierraville"], then enter them one name at a time in the order text box near the top. You're get back a list of matching maps. Fill in a quantity, and click on the "ADD" button at the bottom of the list, which will put these items in your shopping basket. When you have everything, click on "Checkout" and enter your shipping and credit info. All USGS topo maps are $6 each. The 62K series maps have been discontinued but are still listed in the GNIS. We'll ship the maps right out to you. Feel free to Email me if you have any questions; Eric Weinstein <--------- feel lost? ------------ <http://www.mapper.com> California Map & Travel Center 3312 Pico Boulevard, Santa Monica, CA 90405 Phones -- Store: 310-396-6277 Fax: 310-392-8785

Shirley, I was able to get something for you, but ... 1860 CA index shows G. W. SPARKS El Dorado County p868 Placerville Samuel SPARKS El Dorado County p1008 White Diamond Nothing for Joseph and/or Mary Ann SPARKS but I didn't have a chance to check the actual census, perhaps they are living with either G. W. or Samuel? Hope this helps, Sandra From: "Shirley Schach" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [CA-GOLDRUSH-L] Help for a 1860 census look-up? Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:52:33 -0700 Can anyone help me with a look-up in the 1860 US census for El Dorado County, Diamond Springs Twnshp, near Placerville, CA? My missing family is: MORRIS and CHRISTINA (SOUTHARD) SPARKS and children: JOSEPH and MARY ANN SPARKS This family was last counted in the census of 1850, Madison County IL; the children were under 3 years of age in 1850. Christina's brother, Lemuel Southard and family, were counted in the 1860 census in the El Dorado County CA, located in the Diamond Springs area: if the Sparks family followed the Southard relatives to the CA Goldfields, they could also be found there. A look-up in the 1860 census would be very much appreciated; indexed censuses are very hard to find in Fairbanks, Alaska....Shirley

Robin, There is a Rice's Canyon, in Lassen County, however the possessive has been dropped over the years and it is known as Rice Canyon. It is about eight miles east of Susanville. The Rice family, were early settlers of the Honey Lake Valley. Provide with some names, and I will let you known if they match. It was a colorful family. Tim Purdy Susanville, CA

Hi all, Just read this in Ancestry's "Daily News": Enjoy! Pam [email protected] Pamela Storm Wolfskill ---------------------- HISTORY ON TV IN OCTOBER <snip> "THE GOLD RUSH" 9 October 1998 on PBS http://www.pbs.org/goldrush/ "January 1998 mark(ed) the 150th anniversary of an accidental discovery that led to one of the greatest quests in American history - the California gold rush. This one-hour special chronicles the story of the "forty-niners"; the women who made large incomes cooking and washing clothes; and the ambitious risk-takers who went on to become some of America's best-known and most successful entrepreneurs: Levi-Strauss, Studebaker, Armour Meats and Wells Fargo Bank, all of whom can trace their roots to the California gold rush." Are you a descendent of a Gold Rush pioneer? If so, PBS is collecting stories for a new project titled "Gold Rush Legacies." Visit the program's web page for more information. <snip>

Ralph: It is possible that Carlyle Parker did one. I don't have a resource here at the house to check but that rang a bell the moment that I read your message. Lewis M. Ruddick

Does anyone know if there is a published index for this census? Ralph Anderson Boulder, CO [email protected] ---------- > From: Zephyrs Quilts <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CA-GOLDRUSH-L] 1852 ca. census > Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 7:57 PM > > Gerald: > One source is the microfilm collection of the LDS Church, if > you live anywhere near a LDS Family History Center or the > main Library at Salt Lake City. There may be other sources > within the state of California - such as the California Room > in Sacramento. Other suggestions, anybody? > Patricia <[email protected]> > > > gerald andrews wrote: > > > how can i access the 1852 census for ca? im looking for lewis FELTNER > > who came to ca. in 1852.- gerry andrews.

The following is one published index for Ralph Anderson's request. 1852 California state census : schedule I, population and schedules II & III, productions and capital : an alphabetical index and reprint of the schedules for the residents of Sonoma County, California, June 21-October 21, 1852 / compiled and edited by Dennis E. Harris. -- [Santa Rosa, Calif.] : County of Sonoma, c1983 Tom Watson --------- >Subj: Re: [CA-GOLDRUSH-L] 1852 ca. census >Date: 10/5/98 4:47:36 PM Central Daylight Time >From: [email protected] (Ralph Anderson) >To: [email protected] > >Does anyone know if there is a published index for this census? > >Ralph Anderson >Boulder, CO >[email protected]

If any one would like to check the gen web page for Klamath Co, there is a new mail list for Klamath Co. Just thought some one might be intersted . Dan