JD, Close with the spelling but this works a little better:-)) http://www.maritimeheritage.org Good coverage on the choices of travel - Isn't it interesting to be learning!... Thanks RUTH ___________________ Ruth(Grady) & Don Skewis ruth4527@pacbell.net > -----Original Message----- > From: James Drumm [mailto:drummj@ocsnet.net] > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 5:45 PM > To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GOLDRUSH] Sailing the Horn vs. Riding the Desert > > > Colin, > > > Try http://www.meritimeheritage.com (hope I spell right) many ships are > listed, lists upon list. Not at all uncommon for ships to sail > to port New > Orleans, and then stern wheeler to StLouis to go west by wagon train. > People had preferances, good and bad advice, bad timing, and good luck. > (still do) I have no clue about Orleans arrivals. > > --JD > > > ==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== > Automatic Administrative Reminder: > If you suddenly have a problem with list messages, PLEASE > check first with Tech Support of your ISP (Internet Service > Provider) before you ask the Rootsweb staff to look at the > problem. >

Visit the NORCAL index and you'll see volunteers for the Rasmussen books that cover 1850-53? passenger arrivals in CA - Rasmussen died and I dont' know if anyone is picking up where he left off. He extracted passenger lists that appeared in the Alta CA newspaper. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/toc.shtml http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/norcallib.html (volunteers for book lookups) Colleen Norby Rootsweb sponsor ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø*°´°*ø,¸¸,ø -----Original Message----- From: BrooksGen4@aol.com <BrooksGen4@aol.com> To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com <CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 4:57 PM Subject: [GOLDRUSH] Sailing the Horn vs. Riding the Desert >Hi Judy, > I have the same exact questions. My Thomas Brooks apparently sailed from >Wales and ended up in St.Louis MO. He then grabbed a wife and sailed around >the Horn to Grass Valley via San Fran. He was a Welsh mining engineer. How he >ended up in MO, I have no clue. Seems a wierd "jumping off" point, but he >made it here and made his fortune. I hope some day to figure that story out, >it has to be a ducey. I also have Irish emigrants who did it the old fashion >way and went from Ireland to Conneticutt to Nevada then Montana then >California. Something tells me alot depended on your financial status as too >what was the mode of emigration in those days. >Good luck in your search. I'm still trying to find out if there where arrival >lists for San Francisco passengers from 1850-1860. No one on this list has >answered even that little question. I'm hoping the "osmosis" method will kick >in here soon. :) >Ciao, Colin > > >==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== >Automatic Administrative Reminder: >We cannot post copyrighted materials to the Rootsweb lists >without written & signed permission from the author(s) >and/or publisher(s). >

Jim, I only spent twenty years reseaching to find these diaries, because of their historical content, due to a citation in a 1916 history. The search was worth it. I have read numerous diaries over the years, and this is only one that has ever mentioned having to take the oath of allegiance crossing the state line from California to Nevada in regards to the Civil War. Rather than offend you with this chaff of non-genealogical material, I withdraw my offer, guess I had the wrong interpertation of what this list was about. Tim Purdy

Tim, Would be interested in any mention of the Comet mine in Spring Valley, Indian District in Humbolt County. My GGF James S. Anderson of Marysville had an interest in this mine. Ralph Anderson Boulder, CO rkaboulder@bwn.net

Colin, A Welsh mining engineer might have gone to Missouri to work in the lead mines. I had a Cornish ancestor who went there first before moving on to Galena IL. Ralph Anderson Boulder, CO rkaboulder@bwn.net

Oh yes, please do post, Tim. Please include anything you find on Don Tunison's college daze:-))) Seriously, it should be interesting, thanks for the offer. RUTH ___________________ Ruth(Grady) & Don Skewis ruth4527@pacbell.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Carolyn Feroben [mailto:Sweetwater@Sierratel.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 6:02 PM > To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GOLDRUSH] Tunison Diaries > > > I happen to enjoy the history -please! > > Carolyn > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim McMillen <mcmillen@arlington.net> > To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com <CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [GOLDRUSH] Tunison Diaries > > > >Tim, > > > >Just the parts of the Tunison's diaries that contain > >genealogical-related information, please. > > > >Thanks, Jim > > > > > >==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== > >Automatic Administrative Reminder: > >"Most Wanted of our Lost in Early California Ancestors" > >is a web page for members of this list to post queries. > ><http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8861/goldrush98.htm> > > > > > ==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== > Automatic Administrative Reminder: > Remove (snip away) as much of the Original Message as possible when > REPLYING to a List message. Include only the part(s) of the original > message important to your reply. >

Carolyn, I like the history, too, that's why I said "genalogical-related" rather than just genealogical. The history improves understanding of the genealogy. I'm sure, hoever, there is some chaff in this journal, as there is in most others, that is not worth reproducing. Cheers, Jim

I happen to enjoy the history -please! Carolyn -----Original Message----- From: Jim McMillen <mcmillen@arlington.net> To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com <CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [GOLDRUSH] Tunison Diaries >Tim, > >Just the parts of the Tunison's diaries that contain >genealogical-related information, please. > >Thanks, Jim > > >==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== >Automatic Administrative Reminder: >"Most Wanted of our Lost in Early California Ancestors" >is a web page for members of this list to post queries. ><http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8861/goldrush98.htm> >

Colin, Try http://www.meritimeheritage.com (hope I spell right) many ships are listed, lists upon list. Not at all uncommon for ships to sail to port New Orleans, and then stern wheeler to StLouis to go west by wagon train. People had preferances, good and bad advice, bad timing, and good luck. (still do) I have no clue about Orleans arrivals. --JD

Ciao, Re your osmosis question to do with passenger lists of folks arriving in San Francisco from 1850-1860... :-)) Hope you find my post from Nov. 23, 1998 of some help with your question. I have not checked all these URLs lately - if you find any are not still working, please let me know, okay? Some of these lists are for ships coming from Europe to US east coast but most include at least SF arrivals.... ============================================================ Finding ships and passenger lists is as big a job as finding your relatives in the first place! Family Tree Maker says "Probably more time is spent hunting for our ancestors on ship passenger lists than any other type of research". There seems to be no "ONE MAGIC LIST" that covers this information. Here's some of the stuff that I have found. I know there has to be more. I am still looking. For now, let me make these few suggestions: 1) There are the RASMUSSENS LISTS (See Jim Smith of NORCAL's wonderful description @ http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/rasships.html in which he includes some other suggestions...) 2) Join TheShipsList-L@rootsweb.com (this is a high volume list and includes Immigrant ships - but there is LOTS of help available here.... 3) click on every URL you can find that has anything to do with ships!!! The ShipsList will give you lots of 'em but here are just a very few to get you started - (Note) if you have any trouble with these addresses, please ask me for it again) http://www.maritimeheritage.org http://192.41.11.174/distantc/Links/ships.html http://iigs.rootsweb.com/immships/ http://istg.rootsweb.com (note - this is diffrent that one just above!) http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9787/ships.html http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/ships.htm (note - The figures after "amalfi" are the number "THIRTEEN" - All other "l" characters are the lower-case letter "L". http://www.chignecto.net/TheShipsList http://www.cimorelli.com/vbclient/Shipmenu.htm http://www.fortunecity.com/littleitaly/amalfi/13/ships.htm http://digidesk.jbi.hioslo.no/~emigrant/index.htm http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/3649/ships.html http://members.aol.com/rprost/passenger.html 4)There are many, many, many microfilm records of ship passenger Lists - find this at: http://www.heritagequest.com/genealogy/ These films can be seen at some FHL's and at the National Archives. 5) After you find your ship and port and know the date :-)))))))))) Write to NARA (National Archives and Records Administration, 7th & Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20408 for a NATF FORM 81 "ORDER FOR COPIES OF SHIP PASSENGER ARRIVAL RECORDS" to request the list that has your folks on it. They have a web site http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/ ================= Here's a couple of new ones that were not included in my original post: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~yvonne/NORCAL%20index/napasngr.html Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild THE COMPASS A Guide to Help Researchers http://istg.rootsweb.com/compass/begin.html Good luck from someone on this list who has answered that little question at least once before :-)))) RUTH ___________________ Ruth(Grady) & Don Skewis ruth4527@pacbell.net > -----Original Message----- > From: BrooksGen4@aol.com [mailto:BrooksGen4@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 4:48 PM > To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GOLDRUSH] Sailing the Horn vs. Riding the Desert > > > Hi Judy, > I have the same exact questions. My Thomas Brooks apparently > sailed from > Wales and ended up in St.Louis MO. He then grabbed a wife and > sailed around > the Horn to Grass Valley via San Fran. He was a Welsh mining > engineer. How he > ended up in MO, I have no clue. Seems a wierd "jumping off" point, but he > made it here and made his fortune. I hope some day to figure that > story out, > it has to be a ducey. I also have Irish emigrants who did it the > old fashion > way and went from Ireland to Conneticutt to Nevada then Montana then > California. Something tells me alot depended on your financial > status as too > what was the mode of emigration in those days. > Good luck in your search. I'm still trying to find out if there > where arrival > lists for San Francisco passengers from 1850-1860. No one on this > list has > answered even that little question. I'm hoping the "osmosis" > method will kick > in here soon. :) > Ciao, Colin > > > ==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== > Automatic Administrative Reminder: > We cannot post copyrighted materials to the Rootsweb lists > without written & signed permission from the author(s) > and/or publisher(s). >

Tim, Just the parts of the Tunison's diaries that contain genealogical-related information, please. Thanks, Jim

This question from Judy is worthy of multiple inputs: (below) It varied a LOT with WHEN? and somewhat from where, but much depended on chance, as well as defying death, somewhat! My G grandfather John Syme left Scotland in 1848 for Quebec (no dates given) but "--in Nov 1849 embarked on the 4 month voyage around the Horn to San Francisco" and I have heard it might be six months if conditions worsened, storms, whatever. (take a "strong stomach!) But John Parker jr kept a diary in 1863 ( I can post if things stay slow<G>) of his New York to SF across the Isthmus. With two sisters, at 15 years of age. He boarded at Bowling Green, by the way, and sailed April 21 "--at 12 and a half oclock" On May 2nd , crossed the Isthumus from Aspinwall and took the cars, "--arrived at Panamar (sic) and went to the steamer", May 19th, Landed in San Francisco. Not bad, except for questionably food, but little time for Yellow Fever, or whatever. His older sister made the same trip in 1856, but crossed the Isthmus by canoe and mule and took 2 to 3 days with rain heat and biting insects. (no diary) Their dad, John Parker sr had gone from Boston to SF in 1849, and returned in 1850, via wagon train from St Louis, but without baggage, IE: he was not moving the family, just on a lark. We have no details, he did not consider it an unusual trip (!) He would have sailed from Boston, with many ship changes, down river to St Louis, likely in Mar or April. With luck he was in northern CA by Sept or Oct. No doubt left April or May the next year to return the same way. He did the "moving" trip in 1866 by "caravan" with wife and child, no record of time. With the completion of rail in 1869, many went that way, but people continued to go by wagon. These were changing times, but hazards remained, ships sunk, animals died, disease struck. The Scots must have been immune! There must be other accounts? --JD (Judy writes) > >James, JD, >Which would take longer? I saw that a Plymouth to Adelaid sailing trip for my >Aussie cousins, was January to Mid May. I imagine Nova Scotia, NY, Baltimore >(etc.) around the cape of SA up again, would be not as long, but certainly a >treck...But I can't even imagine starting out in an oxcart or wagon...maybe by >boat to St. Louis like Louis and Clark????and then by wagon westward? Weeks and >weeks and weeks....Had anothr Uncle on the other side leave NY, sail to the >isthmus of Panama, treck across, sail up to Calif. make a fortune only to be >killed in Panama on the way back. Maybe that was the express route... >Anyhow, do appreciate your response.. I have been searching east coast arrivals >for years, but may try west coast now, since I know he met his wife in San >Francisco and was definitely in Calif. near Nevada before he got to Va. City, >Mont. and finally Lead, SD. Wandering bunch, our ancestors, weren't they? >Thanks, >Judy in Colorado > >> >> > > >

Tim, I'm interested. Would you have anything on Levy or Gilbert Lafayette M DEAN? He supposedly hauled freight to Ft Independence???? Does anyone know where this fort was? Thanks, Nancy in OR ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim I. Purdy To: CA-GOLDRUSH-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 5:02 PM Subject: [GOLDRUSH] Tunison Diaries I have A. L. Tunison's diaries of the early 1860s, in which a portion the time he was a teamster hauling freight from Northern California to mines of Northern Nevada (Humboldt, Unionville, etc) If there are people interested in this I can always start posting sections of it. Tim Purdy ==== CA-GOLDRUSH Mailing List ==== Automatic Administrative Reminder: Please DO NOT post to multiple lists with one email; this can cause bounced-mail problems for Rootsweb and for us; and those looking for answers but are not subscribed to this list will not get replies. This also occurs when non-lister's messages are forwarded to the list.

I have A. L. Tunison's diaries of the early 1860s, in which a portion the time he was a teamster hauling freight from Northern California to mines of Northern Nevada (Humboldt, Unionville, etc) If there are people interested in this I can always start posting sections of it. Tim Purdy

In a message dated 12/1/1999, Colin wrote: > I'm still trying to find out if there where arrival > lists for San Francisco passengers from 1850-1860. No one on this list has > answered even that little question. I'm fairly new to the list, but I have tackled passenger lists in San Francisco. Robert B. DICKSON emigrated to SF from Scotland via Hannibal, Missouri, in 1875. I discovered that in the SF papers of that time there'd be a section on ship arrivals and departures, and passenger lists for those ships. Some train passengers were also listed. I think, though, that it was just first- and second-class passengers who were listed, because it'd say something like "Mr X of Independence, Missouri, and his family, Miss Y from St. Louis, Mr and Mrs Z accompanied by Miss A of Boston, etc. etc." ending with "and [some number of] passengers in steerage." The number of passengers in steerage was generally fairly high; certainly the bulk of the passengers traveled that way. It's a strong likelihood that anyone traveling out West to make it rich *probably* was traveling in steerage and won't have been listed by name. Anyway, that's my take on it after months of fruitless research. BTW, although Robert Dickson was a late arrival (he was a lawyer by trade who pursued some mining interests peripherally ... Slide Creek in Trinity County, e.g.), I'm also searching someone who (and I'm recalling this from memory so it may be only 80% accurate) rode with a mule train in the interest of the government ca. 1850 in Northern California. No further info on that and haven't been able to trace his ancestry aside from his being Gorham Newberry BARNUM, born ca. 1826 in New York, who married Laurana MOORE in Missouri. He settled in Eureka and owned a saloon there in the late 1800s. I think he may have relocated to San Diego or Long Beach or someplace like that later on. [Note to Tim Purdy: Sure, I'd be interested in seeing A. L. Tunison's diaries posted!] Patricia

I would love to read the diaries too! Jo-Ellen

Tim: Please don't withdraw your offer to share the diaries just because of one man's opinion. I have been subscribed to this list for quite a while and have seen very little action of substance until now--the prospect of gleaning tidbits from what sounds like marvelous diaries. Please reconsider, for all of us who genuinely are interested in what you have to share. Kathryn ============================================================ Researching these families in the Southeast: COX, CROUT, HENRY, HILL, KELLY/KHELE, LAWRENCE, LITCHFIELD, MAULDIN, NELSON, OVERTON, TAYLOR, UZZELL, WEST. Also, AMBROSE, BALCH, HOUGH, STARKEY, PRINCE, TERRELL. And these families in Maine: LAWRENCE, WEST ============================================================

Tim: A g-g-g-grandfather of mine, named William W. West, went to California during the Gold Rush and died somewhere in California in 1856. Is there any mention of him in these diaries? He was from Maine and was a seafarer. I have no idea if he had taken a load of passengers to California on his ship or if he just had gold fever himself. Kathryn ============================================================ Researching these families in the Southeast: COX, CROUT, HENRY, HILL, KELLY/KHELE, LAWRENCE, LITCHFIELD, MAULDIN, NELSON, OVERTON, TAYLOR, UZZELL, WEST. Also, AMBROSE, BALCH, HOUGH, STARKEY, PRINCE, TERRELL. And these families in Maine: LAWRENCE, WEST ============================================================

Oh Tim, DON'T withdraw!! There are SO many of us interested. We don't think you had the wrong idea. It is just what we are needing right now. This list has been too quiet.... We can learn so much from diaries--the way life was then, food, clothing, disease; you name it.... Please do reconsider. dt > Rather than offend you with this chaff of > non-genealogical material, I withdraw my offer, guess I had the wrong > interpertation of what this list was about.

Tim, I for one would love this. I find that sort of reading fascinating! Diane Biggar-Taylor > I have A. L. Tunison's diaries of the early 1860s, in which a portion > the time he was a teamster hauling freight from Northern California to > mines of Northern Nevada (Humboldt, Unionville, etc) If there are > people interested in this I can always start posting sections of it.