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I have had some valuable feed back about my GLASGOW forebears. Another branch of my family also spent some time at Rothesay. The information I have is ; Alexander LOGAN married Janet RITCHIE 9 June 1810 West Kilbride, Ayr. children ; Hugh born 23 June 1814 Glenbuighe, Rothesy Mary born 12 Dec 1816 Glenbouagh ?, Rothesay John born 10 Sept 1819 Glenbowie, Rothesay (mother given as Janet RICHARD) married 14 Dec 1847 Greenock, Renfrew to Jessie/Janet Alexander POLLOCK (John's father, Alexander, is listed as farmer, Ettington, Ayrshire) Emigrated to New Zealand 1854. Agnes Richard born 16 Nov 1822, Glenbuie, Rothesay (mother given as Janet RICHARD) Emigrated to New Zealand. Does anyone know where Glenbowie was ? Alexander LOGAN was a tenant in Glenbowie (with spelling variations) at the time of the birth of his children. Peter Stout New Zealand

While browsing the 1851 census for Shettleston, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, I came upon this: Elisabeth TURNBULL 19, unmarried, occupation "widow's daughter", b. Rothsay, Buteshire. She was listed as "visitor" at the home of Donald (63) & Margaret (50) CAMPBELL. Donald Campbell was "merchant in Glasgow" & had children Archibald (27) & Alexander (24) living at home. In addition there was one other visitor in the household, a 19 year old with the surname McRAE. I can't read his or her first name, but the occupation was listed as "clerk in merchant's office". There were also 4 servants. Elisabeth Turnbull was the only one born in Buteshire. Just passing this along in case anyone is looking for Turnbulls. Sue Marcus

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute?read=373 Surname: McKelvie ------------------------- My grandmother's full maiden name was Isabella Ireland Dargie McKelvie. Her father was William McKelvie born in Edinburgh, Scotland around 1893. His family was originally from Ireland but went to Scotland. It was rumored that my grandmother was named after another relative also named Isabella McKelvie. I don't know if your Isabella McKelvie comes from the same family or not. Also, my great-grandfather had a sister Clara and a brother Robert. If this helps please let me know.

Please remember to send ALL mail for the list to ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com no matter whether you are subscribed to List or Digest mode, and just use the -request@ address for subscribe and unsubscribe messages, thanks -----Original Message----- From: IPopkins@aol.com <IPopkins@aol.com> To: buteshiregenweb-l-request@rootsweb.com <buteshiregenweb-l-request@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 7 July 2000 3:24 Subject: Dykes >Hello > >I am trying to find information about Arthur Dykes who lived at Rothesay in >the 1920s. >I believe he was connected with the Rothesay Horticultural Society > >Irene Popkins >

Good morning list I am chasing information about the family of John Spiers and his wife, Sarah Ralston. They married on 27 June 1837 and this marriage is listed in both Maybole (where she came from) and Kilmory. I am assuming he was a local boy. I believe they probably lived at Bennecarrigan. I have managed to pick a couple of births off the IGI and SKS was able to look up a couple of bodies born/died after 1855 in the Edinburgh records office. I have also taken a look at the 1881 census. Could anybody help me with 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 census information for the farm called Bennecarrigan? I also have a list of probable children and wonder if anybody could check the local registers for Kilmory and let me know if I have the right dates and parents? Mathew born 3 July 1838 Gavin born 29 October 1839 - he died in Australia on 5 September 1860 John born 24 November 1840 - he is listed as living at Bennecarrigan on the 1881 census Alexander born 31 May 1842 Sarah born 31 August 1843 (this is on the IGI) - visiting family in Ayrshire on the 1881 census Robert born 16 January 1845 - listed on the 1881 census Adam born sometime in 1846 - died 2 July 1855 aged 9 (I have a copy of the registered death) Helen born 17 October 1848 (this is on the IGI) William born 28 August 1850 - living in Barony on the 1881 census Henry born 1852 according to his age on the 1881 census Ralston born in 1854 according to his age on the 1881 census - he is living with his brother at Bennecarrigan Adam born 5 February 1857 (I have a copy of the birth registration) Any burials of members of this family would also be gratefully accepted. From what I can see on the IGI, there are other families called Spiers and although they may be related to John and I, at this time, really only interested in John, Sarah and their children. And I don't want to send anybody on a wild goose chase. Sarah Spiers (nee Ralston) died in 1875 in Glasgow and was listed as a widow but I don't know when her husband died. Here's hoping that someone can help me out or advise me where I could try next. Elizabeth Leicester, UK

Hi all, I am posting my in interest in the surname GLASGOW in Rothesay. The information I have is ; John GLASGOW married Isobel HUNTER, 24 February 1795, Rothesay. Children ; Robert Chr 7 Dec 1795 Rothesay (he later married Mary LAMB 15 July 1825 Kelso, Roxburgh) Janet Chr 19 Nov 1797 Rothesay The only other GLASGOW's of that time period at Rothesay that I came across were ; Andrew GLASGOW married Mary McGilp 13 August 1790 Rothesay, Children ; Andrew Chr 16 June 1793 Rothesay Margaret Chr 18 January 1795 Rothesay ( ?married James LAURIE 9 June 1818 Rothesay) Malcolm Glasgow married Mary Bannatyne, child ; Mary Chr 21 May 1799 Rothesay Could someone please look up an early census (1841 or 1851) to see if any GLASGOW's remained in Rothesay. Also if the records are available could someone look to see if any GLASGOW's were buried at Rothesay which may tie in with the above. Any help in tracking these people down (particularly John GLASGOW / Isobel HUNTER) would be very welcome. Regards Peter New Zealand

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Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute?read=372 Surname: Duncan, Wiggins ------------------------- I'm looking for living relatives of Charles and Alice Duncan, Isle of Bute. Alice is the daughter of John and Janet Wiggins. She was one of 8 children. The youngest child of John and Janet Wiggins.The sister of Alice, is my grandmother. Her birth name is Janet Wiggins, but she went by the name of Nettie Lennox. Janet (Nettie Lennox) emigrated to Canada sometime in 1906 (?) we think. We have spent the last year finding out that Nettie was the youngest of 8 children and that we have relatives more than likely still residing in Scotland. Alice and Nettie (Janet) had 6 brothers, one died at age 18 months. Alice and Nettie's mother, Janet (Gorman) Wiggins died when Nettie was four months old. Their father died when Nettie was three and Alice was five. Is any of this sounding familiar to anyone that is reading this? I have additional information on Alice's family, her siblings, grandparents, etc. if need be I can share that with you. I will be making a visit to Scotland in September with my father (Nettie's son)and we would very much like to find some living relatives to meet. Nettie never talked about her life in Scotland nor her "real" family with her son or daughter, so this is all a surprise to them. It would be nice to meet up with relatives that knew more than we do. I can be reached at woodlot@wizzards, PO Box 348, Idleyld Park, Oregon, USA. Thanks, Nita Williams

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute?read=371 Surname: GRAHAM, JAMIESON ------------------------- Looking for info re Peter GRAHAM (Pottery Manager) m. Mary JAMIESON. They lived at Burnbank Terrace, Rothesay in 1881.

Hello, all, My name is Lynn PRETTYMAN and I live in Baltimore, Maryland, USA and the above families are related to me thru marriage to my great-uncle, David BAIRD LINDSAY, who married Helen MARTIN MCNAIR. Helen's parents were JOHN McNAIR from Ireland, and Jane CRAWFORD HALL, d/o Archibald HALL and Helen MARTIN. Jane was christened 28 Nov 1847 in Rothesay, Bute. She died 5 Nov 1884, at Gartnod Farm, Shettleston. Her father was a spirit merchant, and her mother apparently remarried someone named McDOUGALL. David and Helen had a son, John McNAIR LINDSAY, who married Catherine WILSON McCUNN, d/o James Duncan McCUNN and Jane HALL CRAWFORD, d/o Mark CRAWFORD and Mary CHALMERS, his 2nd wife. Mark's first wife was Margaret McLAREN, who died 25 Dec 1876, at the age of 30. Her parents were John McLAREN and Margaret SIMPSON. Mark and Margaret had 4 children: Margaret SIMPSON, b June 29, 1870, Jane HALL, b 19 Mar 1873 (not my Jane), Elizabeth STEWART, b 30 Oct 1874. and James CLARK, b 1876. There is a Grace CLARK CRAWFORD, but I believe her to be my Jane's sister, as her age on the census would put her birthdate ca 1878-79. My Jane is listed as being 18 in 1898 when she married my cousins' grandfather, making her birthdate ca 1880. I have been lucky enough to find new cousins, the children of John McNAIR LINDSAY, and it seems he and Catherine were cousins, and the two Janes were the connection. Ian tells me there is a graveyard with several stones marked with CRAWFORD-HALLS and HALL-CRAWFORDS at Kirkalton (?)Bay on Bute. ( I apologize if that's not correct. Ian's writing is a little awkward to decipher sometimes) Do any of you recognize any of the names? I would love to hear from you if you do. TIA, Lynn in Baltimore, MD USA marylindsay@worldnet.att.net

G'day, Just reposting what little info I have. Catherine RUTHERFORD bc 1877 Rothesay, Isle of Bute Father - Joseph RUTHERFORD Mother - Jessie (nee YATES) Cheers, Chris from Canberra, ACT

In a message dated 6/26/00 8:25:39 AM GMT Daylight Time, duffy_c@hotmail.com writes: << Catherine RUTHERFORD bc 1877 Rothesay, Isle of Bute Father - Joseph RUTHERFORD Mother - Jessie (nee YATES) >> Hi Chris Here they are in the 1881 census, I think. Dwelling: 19 Russell Street Census Place: Rothesay, Bute, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203565 GRO Ref Volume 558 EnumDist 15 Page 11 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph RUTHERFORD M 32 M Rothesay, Bute, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Stone Cutter Jessie RUTHERFORD M 33 F Rothesay, Bute, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Stone Cutter Wife William RUTHERFORD 7 M Rothesay, Bute, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Catren D. RUTHERFORD 3 F Rothesay, Bute, Scotland Rel: Daur Sarah RUTHERFORD 1 F Rothesay, Bute, Scotland Rel: Daur and in the 1851 index Rothesay book T13 page 14 RUTHERFORD William 38 Martha 30 (neither born in Bute) Samuel 5, Eleanor 4, Joseph 2 and in book T13 page 8 YATES James 45 and Catherine 42 (neither born on Bute) James 19, Jane 14, Grace 12, Joseph 9, William 7, Janet 4 In both cases they were the only family of that name listed. Irene

These people are not in my family, but in a book called Annals of Megantic Co Quebec, there is mention of the Sillers family, Donald, Duncan, John, Mary, Peter and Elizabeth. They came to Quebec Canada in 1829 from the Isle of Arran on the ship The Newfoundland. Heather Macmillan and Kerr Family Donald wrote: > New to the list so here is my family that i am researching. > ========================================== > Archibald Sillars married Margaret McAlester 23 June 1800 > > Children: - > > Mary Sillars b 07/08/1801 Kilmory Bute > > Catherine Sillars b 26/05/1804 Kilmory Bute > > Malcolm Sillars b 03/02/1806 Kilmory Bute > > Catherine Sillars b 20/05/1808 Kilmory Bute > > Angus Sillars b 10/05/1810 Kilmory Bute > > Janet Sillars b 14/12/1812 Kilmory Bute > > Alexander Sillars b 22/12/1815 Kilmory Bute > > Alexander Sillars married Margaret Currie 20 Aug 1844 Kilmory Bute > > Children: - > > Archibald Sillars b 1854 Kilmory Bute > > Donald Sillars b 1853 Kilmory Bute > > Catherine Sillars b 1854 Kilmory Bute > > Malcolm Sillars b 30 Apr 1858 Kilmory Bute > > Mary Sillars b 1861 Kilmory Bute > > Catherine Sillars married Robert Ingram b 1853 Ireland > > Children: - > > Margaret Sillars Ingram b? > > Robert Ingram b? > > Margaret Sillars Ingram married James Weir > > Children: - > > Catherine Sillars Weir b 13 Aug 1904 > > James Weir b? > > ? Weir b? > > Catherine Sillars Weir married Duncan Sillars (My Grandparents) > > ==================================================== > > John Sillars b Abt 1763 d Abt 1844 married Catherine MacAlaster b Abt 1771 d Abt 1857 > > Children: - > > Malcolm Sillars b. 7/3/1795 Kilmory Bute > > Angus Sillars b. 5/10/1796 Kilmory Bute > > Mary Sillars b. 17/11/1798 Kilmory Bute > > Isabel Sillars b. 24/12/1800 Kilmory Bute > > Catherine Sillars b.? > > Isabel Sillars b. 17/06/1805 Kilmory Bute > > Elizabeth Sillars b. 19/06/1807 Kilmory Bute > > John Sillars b. 18/03/1809 d 1870 Kilmory Bute > > Donald Sillars b. 06/02/1812 Kilmory Bute > > Margaret Sillars b. 30/03/1815 Kilmory Bute > > John Sillars married 09/09/1851 Catherine McKenzie b? d 1893 > > Children: - > > John Sillars b. 1853 d 1923 > > Duncan Sillars b. 1859 d 1922 > > Kate Sillars b.? Kilmory Bute Married a Sinclair > > Effie Sillars b.? Kilmory Bute Married a Currie > > Malcolm Sillars b.? Kilmory Bute.Emigrated to Canada > > Peter Sillars b.? Kilmory Bute. Emigrated to Canada > > Elizabeth Sillars b.? Kilmory Bute > > Duncan Sillars married Isabella Kerr b 1873 d 1956 > > Children: - > > John Sillars b. 1905 d 1991 Kilmory Bute > > Angus Sillars b. 1907 d 1945 > > Catherine Sillars b. 1909 still living in Arran > > Duncan Sillars b. 1910 d 1964 > > Robert Sillars b. 1912 d 1980 > > Isabel Sillars b. 1919 still living in Arran > > Duncan Sillars married Catherine Sillars Weir (AS ABOVE) > > I believe that all information is correct and appreciate any other input > > Researching:- > > Sillars,Currie,Kerr,McAlister:- Kilmory,Bute > > McInnes,Matheson,Gillies:-Uig Ross & Cromarty

If you are researching this name and would like to know if your 'people' are listed on the 1861 Census for Rothesay, give me a hoy, I have just transcribed all occurrances of the name, however didn't find my own.... so would like to think that someone out there can use the info I have. Cheers Sue Thompson Bunbury, Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <ButeshireGenWeb-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 3:00 PM Subject: ButeshireGenWeb-D Digest V00 #136

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New to the list so here is my family that i am researching. ========================================== Archibald Sillars married Margaret McAlester 23 June 1800 Children: - Mary Sillars b 07/08/1801 Kilmory Bute Catherine Sillars b 26/05/1804 Kilmory Bute Malcolm Sillars b 03/02/1806 Kilmory Bute Catherine Sillars b 20/05/1808 Kilmory Bute Angus Sillars b 10/05/1810 Kilmory Bute Janet Sillars b 14/12/1812 Kilmory Bute Alexander Sillars b 22/12/1815 Kilmory Bute Alexander Sillars married Margaret Currie 20 Aug 1844 Kilmory Bute Children: - Archibald Sillars b 1854 Kilmory Bute Donald Sillars b 1853 Kilmory Bute Catherine Sillars b 1854 Kilmory Bute Malcolm Sillars b 30 Apr 1858 Kilmory Bute Mary Sillars b 1861 Kilmory Bute Catherine Sillars married Robert Ingram b 1853 Ireland Children: - Margaret Sillars Ingram b? Robert Ingram b? Margaret Sillars Ingram married James Weir Children: - Catherine Sillars Weir b 13 Aug 1904 James Weir b? ? Weir b? Catherine Sillars Weir married Duncan Sillars (My Grandparents) ==================================================== John Sillars b Abt 1763 d Abt 1844 married Catherine MacAlaster b Abt 1771 d Abt 1857 Children: - Malcolm Sillars b. 7/3/1795 Kilmory Bute Angus Sillars b. 5/10/1796 Kilmory Bute Mary Sillars b. 17/11/1798 Kilmory Bute Isabel Sillars b. 24/12/1800 Kilmory Bute Catherine Sillars b.? Isabel Sillars b. 17/06/1805 Kilmory Bute Elizabeth Sillars b. 19/06/1807 Kilmory Bute John Sillars b. 18/03/1809 d 1870 Kilmory Bute Donald Sillars b. 06/02/1812 Kilmory Bute Margaret Sillars b. 30/03/1815 Kilmory Bute John Sillars married 09/09/1851 Catherine McKenzie b? d 1893 Children: - John Sillars b. 1853 d 1923 Duncan Sillars b. 1859 d 1922 Kate Sillars b.? Kilmory Bute Married a Sinclair Effie Sillars b.? Kilmory Bute Married a Currie Malcolm Sillars b.? Kilmory Bute.Emigrated to Canada Peter Sillars b.? Kilmory Bute. Emigrated to Canada Elizabeth Sillars b.? Kilmory Bute Duncan Sillars married Isabella Kerr b 1873 d 1956 Children: - John Sillars b. 1905 d 1991 Kilmory Bute Angus Sillars b. 1907 d 1945 Catherine Sillars b. 1909 still living in Arran Duncan Sillars b. 1910 d 1964 Robert Sillars b. 1912 d 1980 Isabel Sillars b. 1919 still living in Arran Duncan Sillars married Catherine Sillars Weir (AS ABOVE) I believe that all information is correct and appreciate any other input Researching:- Sillars,Currie,Kerr,McAlister:- Kilmory,Bute McInnes,Matheson,Gillies:-Uig Ross & Cromarty

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Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute?read=370 Surname: Crawford ------------------------- My grandfather was Peter crawford of the Marlborough Rothesay he came from Toward where I believe his father james was a Blacksmith I am looking for more history on James. Peter was married to Grace Scott her Father was Matthew Scott of the Plan farm and Stuart HallShe had 3 sisters whom had enterprises on Bute

Sorry for the error. Ian John Stewart was born January 12, 1928 in Montreal, Canada. Wish spell checks could catch miscues in numbers. Regards: Gordon Taylor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/