Greetings from the 'Land Down Under', I should be somewhere else but because my geography is not that flash I stumbled into Bute. The list boss said "Just in case you decide to stay.... Why not start off by introducing yourself - telling us who you are.........." Well I was actually looking for Colonsay but I must have missed Oban and got on the wrong ferry :-). And you have all been so nice about it how could I possibly leave now! I am, Dean Newman of a little tropical paradise named Bingil Bay on the far North Queensland coast of Australia. Just in case you go looking; you probably won't find our little village on a map but we are about halfway between Townsville and Cairns and down on the coast from Tully. The Coral Sea is just at the bottom of our street and I go walking on the beach there every morning (almost!). Probably a little bluer and calmer than the waters of Bute (or yet Colonsay) but I love it - but then I'm not the one with Scots blood in me (well not much anyway - there is a Dawson or is it a Davidson lurking). My wife Patricia is the true and proven descendant, and it is on her behalf that I am here. I am a retired 'animal nutritionist', once specialising in beef cattle on the big 'runs' of the Northern Territory (we lived in Alice Springs for 21 years) and North Queensland. Gave it all away for a quieter life just over three years ago and now concentrate on my genealogical pursuits of mystery men and women. The Internet is a new 'baby' of only four months gestation for me, and my experience of 'mailing lists' only started last Friday!! So there you are - and here I am. >You may well find > that you already have a 'cousin' out there, also 'listening > in'! Well I hope so, Peter. I will provide detail that will identify my searches in a separate message to follow. In the mean time, thanks for having me at your place. Regards, Dean Newman. kenyon@znet.net.au

----- Original Message ----- From: Wilmer Lankford To: buteshiregenweb-L-@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 7:25 PM Subject: Query Can anyone supply me with a postal or e-mail address for Ian MacLagan author of The Piers and Ferries of Bute? Any help will be appreciated. Bill in Maryland

Thank you for publishing the National Archives of Scotland e-mail. It is a very helpful document and shows how up-to-date a government agency can be. I have saved it to my Scottish genealogy file area for future reference. When I first started doing Scottish genealogy over 20 years ago one had to travel to Edinburgh to see all the records--and the records in the National Record Office were originals, not even microfilmed. Now we can access them online. The Scottish Record Office next door (now the NAS) was a fantastic minefield of data once you got persuaded the security man that you had questions that could be answered within. But a great many documents are stored "out-with the main building" (to use one of those inimitable Scottish phrases). Obtaining a copy of Tracing your Scottish Ancestors in the Scottish Record Office to plan a trip is a must. /cheers Pat Jeffs

There is a link to the Caledonian McBrayne site from my McPhun 1835 Scottish Tourist Steamboat Guide page at http://cookfmly.rootsweb.com/mcphun1835/ Peter List Maintainer -----Original Message----- From: Todd Tenney <tptenney@vtc.net> To: ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 28 October 2000 21:36 Subject: Travelling to Rothesay

> Daphne Kilbourn-Jacob wrote: > > Todd Tenney wrote: > > ADVICE NEEDED PLEASE. > In March of 2001 I am flying into Glasgow where I have a car reserved. > I > plan to drive to the Isle of Bute and visit the towns of Rothesay and > Kilgarth, they being the homeplace of my great grandmother's family. > I would appreciate any advice about travel, time needed and conditions. > I > think I may need to take a ferry to get to Bute ?? - please advise best > options. > While I would love to spend a long time in Scotland, I have only 2 > weeks to > get a lot done in both Scotland and England so anticipate only a day > or two > for this expedition. > Thanking you all for hours of advice and information online, Peta-Anne, > Aussie in Arizona > > Dear Peta-Anne, > If you have the opportunity, there is Castle Kames that is currently > a privately owned B & B in Kame, Bute. Tourist literature says its > very good, tho pricey. This was formerly the home of the Bannatyne's > (MacCamelynes in Gaelic) who are my ancestors. I would love to go > there. > I think you could find out about this under "Castles" AND "Scotland", > Rootsweb's Chatelaine List, a listing for Inn's and B&Bs in Scotland > or Scotland Tourist info on-line, if you have time. If you > do find any historical data on this Castle, could you Fwd. a copy to > me? > Have a great trip. > > Regards, > Daphne Jacob

Welcome to Wilmer Lankford, Dean NEWMAN, C R Bruce and Ken MacKay who have joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** The following posted on the Ayrshire list may be of interest - apologies to those who have already seen it - it certainly covers most bases in the area of Scottish research ... From: "#Enquiries" <Enquiries@nas.gov.uk> To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:30 AM Subject: Reply from NAS Thank you for contacting the National Archives of Scotland (NAS), formerly the Scottish Record Office (SRO). This response is sent to all enquirers the first time that they contact us by e-mail. We read all e-mails sent to us. If you have not received a further reply within 8 weeks it is because we feel that either the contents of this e-mail, or the information presented on our website, answer your enquiry. Due to pressures on staff time and resources, we cannot undertake the extended research that questions sent to us often need. We can only provide general advice on the records we hold and on the contents of our catalogues and indexes. If you cannot visit our search rooms a list of record agents based in Scotland who can undertake research for you can be found on the site http://www.origins.net maintained by the General Register Office for Scotland. Hiring a record agent or other researcher is a private matter, however, and the NAS accepts no responsibility for the quality or quantity of their work. More detailed information You may wish to consult our website at http://www.nas.gov.uk. At present this website is a prototype but it is under development and will gradually expand. It has further information about our opening hours and facilities > and also shows the locations of our three buildings. Two of these, HM General Register House and West Register House, are in Edinburgh city centre and are open to the public. Our third building, Thomas Thomson House, on the outskirts of Edinburgh, is our off-site storage facility. If you are planning a visit to the NAS you should remember that many of our records are stored at Thomas Thomson House and that these records take two working days to be brought in to our public search rooms. You should allow for this delay when planning your visit. Scottish Genealogy: Useful Reading If you are just beginning to trace your Scottish ancestors, it would be worth getting hold of one of the many books which explain how to go about doing this. As well as discussing the sources and pitfalls, they will give you an idea of the background planning necessary to go about ancestry hunting effectively. Cecil Sinclair, Tracing your Scottish Ancestors: A Guide to Ancestry Research in the Scottish Record Office (Edinburgh, 2nd ed., 1997) ISBN 0 11 495865 3 is specifically about records in the NAS. Other books in regular use are: Rosemary Bigwood, Tracing Scottish Ancestors: A practical guide to Scottish genealogy (Glasgow, 1999) ISBN 0 00 472328 7 Kathleen B Cory, Tracing Your Scottish Ancestry (Edinburgh, 1990) ISBN 0 7486 6054 2 Gerald Hamilton-Edwards, In Search of Scottish Ancestry (Chichester, 2nd ed., 1983) ISBN 0 85033 513 2 Sherry Irvine, Your Scottish Ancestry: A Guide for North Americans (Salt Lake City, 1997) ISBN 0 916489 65 5 Alwyn James, Scottish Roots: A step-by-step guide for ancestor-hunters in Scotland and Overseas (Loanhead, 1981 and later editions). Scottish Genealogy: First Steps To trace information about your ancestors using our sources you will need to know in advance where they lived in Scotland (ie, the town or parish), and their dates of birth, marriage and death. It would also be very helpful if you knew their religious denomination. Because of these considerations, the best place to begin Scottish genealogical research is normally not with us but at the General Register Office for Scotland (GROS). That organisation holds the Church of Scotland's > Old Parish Registers of baptisms, marriages and burials from 1553-1854, together with the Statutory Registers of births, marriages and deaths from 1855 to the present, and census returns from 1841. Hopefully, these will provide the essential skeleton of a Scottish family tree, which you may then be able to flesh out with information from the records held by us. GROS has a website at http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk and another site at http://www.origins.net through which you can consult many of their indexes and order copies of some of their records. You may also wish to consult the International Genealogical Index (IGI), which has been compiled by the Genealogical Society of Utah (GSU). A copy may be available at your local library and further copies are also held at the family history centres run by the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints. The website maintained by the GSU <http://www.familysearch.org/> allows access to the resources for family history built up by them. Similarly, you may care to visit<http://www.genuki.org.uk/>, a site that acts as a virtual resource for family history in Great Britain and Ireland. Births, Deaths and Marriages We do not hold either the Old Parish Registers of baptisms, marriages and burials from 1553-1854 or the Statutory Registers of births, marriages and deaths from 1855 to date. These records, as well as those of the Census in Scotland, are held at the General Register Office for Scotland (GROS) in Edinburgh. They also have a website at <http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/> and can be contacted on their e-mail address records@gro-scotland.gov.uk <mailto:records@gro-scotland.gov.uk> Wills and testaments We do hold Scottish wills and testaments from 1549 to 1984 but before we can search for particular entries, we need clear details of the name, date and place of death of the deceased. Testaments after 1984 are held by the Edinburgh Commissary Office, 27 Chambers Street, Edinburgh, EH2 1LB. Scottish Surnames The best-known work on Scottish family names is George F Black, The Surnames of Scotland (New York, 1946 and still in print). You should use this book to find if your surname has Scottish connections. Clans and tartans The National Archives of Scotland cannot provide information about the association of surnames with particular clans. For further information about clans and tartans you might wish to contact the Scottish Tartans Museum, The Scotch House, 39-41 Princes Street, Edinburgh, EH2 2BY. Emigrants The NAS holds very few original records listing emigrants. Over the years, researchers have tried to fill this gap by using a variety of sources to compile and publish lists of Scots known to have emigrated. Inevitably, however, these catch only a tiny percentage of the people who left these shores. Some of these compilations are listed in the emigrants FAQ on our website at http://www.nas.gov.uk. Unfortunately, even for Britain as a whole, very few lists of emigrants survive before 1890. Those which do (together with complete lists after 1890) are held at the Public Record Office, Ruskin Avenue, Kew, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 4DU, England. Their website at <http://www.pro.gov.uk> will give details. 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Peta-Anne Wemyss Bay is much easier to get to than Colintraive and the Wemyss Bay to Rothesay ferry service carries more traffic. No bookings needed - but turn up in good time in the holiday season. The crossing takes (from memory) about 30-45 minutes. If your time is limited, this is your sensible option. One trap for visitors if you haven't come across it yet. "Wemyss" is pronounced "Weems". Martyn -----Original Message----- From: Mary Hamilton <MAH.Rodney@xtra.co.nz> To: ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 28 October 2000 19:21 Subject: Re: Travelling to Rothesay >Peta-Anne, > >I stand to be corrected on this as I have not been in Scotland for about 3 >years, but Rothesay and Kingarth are on the island of Bute so you do need >to take a ferry to get there. I would check with MacBraynes-Caledonian >services who can tell you the details of the ferry services. > >There are two possible routes (1) by road all the way via Loch Lomond, the >Rest and Be Thankful, Strachur and Glendaruel to Colintraive then by a >short car ferry trip across on to the island at Rhubodach. >(2) Direct from the mainland from Wemyss Bay to Rothesay - a longer sea trip >but possibly quicker route. > >Caledonian-MacBraynes have a web site which gives all the ferry details. >Sorry I can't give you the address but a search engine will find it for you. >

Peta-Anne, I stand to be corrected on this as I have not been in Scotland for about 3 years, but Rothesay and Kingarth are on the island of Bute so you do need to take a ferry to get there. I would check with MacBraynes-Caledonian services who can tell you the details of the ferry services. There are two possible routes (1) by road all the way via Loch Lomond, the Rest and Be Thankful, Strachur and Glendaruel to Colintraive then by a short car ferry trip across on to the island at Rhubodach. (2) Direct from the mainland from Wemyss Bay to Rothesay - a longer sea trip but possibly quicker route. Caledonian-MacBraynes have a web site which gives all the ferry details. Sorry I can't give you the address but a search engine will find it for you. Wish I was going with you! My ancestors came from there too. All the best, Mary H

ADVICE NEEDED PLEASE. In March of 2001 I am flying into Glasgow where I have a car reserved. I plan to drive to the Isle of Bute and visit the towns of Rothesay and Kilgarth, they being the homeplace of my great grandmother's family. I would appreciate any advice about travel, time needed and conditions. I think I may need to take a ferry to get to Bute ?? - please advise best options. While I would love to spend a long time in Scotland, I have only 2 weeks to get a lot done in both Scotland and England so anticipate only a day or two for this expedition. Thanking you all for hours of advice and information online, Peta-Anne, Aussie in Arizona

Please remember to send ALL mail for the list to ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com no matter whether you are subscribed to List or Digest mode, and just use the -request@ address for subscribe and unsubscribe messages, thanks -----Original Message----- From: KMac1954@aol.com <KMac1954@aol.com> To: ButeshireGenWeb-D-request@rootsweb.com <ButeshireGenWeb-D-request@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 28 October 2000 03:29 Subject: Kenneth MacKay,Policeman > I am trying to find the birth date, and place of birth of my Grandfather >Kenneth MacKay who was a policeman in Rothesay. He married a Kate Wilkie in >Rothesay in1888,and he died in Rothesay on 27th Jan 1905. > Yours faithfully, > Kenneth Meikle MacKay > DG7 3RR > >

Hi, Does this list cover the Isle of Colonsay - or do I seek another? Regards, Dean Newman kenyon@znet.net.au

I would like the info on the Scotish Census 1891 for the city of Hamilton near Glasgow should be on FHl British film # 220344 GRO Parish 647 district 9 Page #? address Dwelling 52 Union ST Hamilton Scotland John Taylor b 1843 could be another date d spouse Isabella Taylor maiden name Clark MY greatgrandmother b 1848 children in order of birth John b 1867 Neil b 1870 Robert b 1871 Daniel b 1873 Alexander b 1875 ? Elizabeth b 1876? Thomas b 1880 Edward b 1888 Marie or Mary My Grandmother b 1890 Margaret b ? Charles b ? thanks for any info Audrey Bowne gbowne@email.msn.com Seattle ,State of Washington ,USA also looking for Charles Frederick Hodge b 1890 probbaly near Glasgow would like his mother and father and brothers and sisters

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/441 Surname: ------------------------- I have been researching the unusal surname of gentleman now for 15 years and have a lot of information on it,willing to share with any body,i have been in contact with gentleman families world wide,will forward information onto you..

Let me introduce myself as a new member of the group --- I am retired and live in a small town Princess Anne, Somerset Country, Maryland, USA. My ancestor Hugh McBride was factor to the Earl of Bute and Provost of Rothesay from about 1730 to 1760. I look forward to hearing from anyone interested in this McBride family or in the life and times on Bute during this period. Hugh was probably from Glasgow and acquired Baidland near Dalry in Ayrshire about 1715. I have visited Bute several times in recent years (most recently last month) and find the island beautiful and fascinating.

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/440 Surname: John Rippie, Jean Farmer ------------------------- Any information from 1891 census On Rippie family from Rothesay Isle of Bute Scotland . My mother was Agnes Rippie, her father was John Rippie, her mother was Jean Rippie she had sisters Jean and Sarah Rippie, also four brothers Harold, William, John or Jock, I am not sure of fourth brothers name.

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Scotland/Bute/439 Surname: McMillan ------------------------- Extracts of the 1891 Census in the Parish of DENNISTOUN, GLASGOW show the following McMILLAN as occupants of a flat (apartment)at 24 Wellfield Street. Hope it may be of assistance to others Regards Joan Name: Relation to Head: Marital Status: Age: Prof/Occupation: Place of Birth John McMILLAN Head Mar 50 Boiler Maker Rothesay, Buteshire Mary McMILLAN Wife Mar 50 Lanarkshire, New Monkland William McMILLAN Son Unm 21/4? Coppersmith Glasgow John McMILLAN Son Unm 18 Iron Turner do do Jessie McMILLAN Daur Unm 16 Message girl do do Mary McMILLAN Daur Unm 13 do do plus William FORRESTER Fthr in law Widr 78 Engine Keeper rtr. Alva, Stirlingshire

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Scotland/Bute/438 Surname: McDONALD ------------------------- searching for my ancestor, Enos McDOnald; born, Scotland about 1750; emigrated to Washington County, PA; died about 1800. ANY HELP IS VERY APPRECIATED!

No new members this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** One Peter Jones has recently posted on English lists information on the PRO Catalogue site (To pass on the acknowledgements, these were based on an earlier advice from Pete Brown). --- "Go to site http://www.pro.gov.uk Click on 'Finding Aids' in the top right hand corner Click on 'Online Catalogue' Click on 'Search Catalogue' Enter just one surname (I initially entered three spelling variations and didn't find anything because the search engine was looking for a document with all three names in it - which of course it was highly unlikely to find) Click on the 'Search' button At this stage you will probably find that there is no 'Class description' for your surname (you should be so lucky) Therefore Click on 'Search Documents' Now, if you are lucky, you will find that this produces a summary of one or more documents for your surname which are stored at the PRO in Kew, Click on the first summary and either take notes or print off a copy. You can then move to the 'next document' by pressing the appropriate button at the bottom or go back to the 'Search' page to enter a new surname or spelling variation. Note : If you do the latter make sure that there is nothing in the 'Letter Code' or 'Class/Subclass' boxes otherwise you will restrict the next search to the area you last found a summary in." - -------------------------------------------------------- This begs the question of "what has the English PRO got that will help with our Scottish research?" Quite a bit if these simple examples of the results of searches I made on some simple Buteshire non surname keywords are any indication - note that there are 30 items per page - you will need to scroll to see all items on a page ... Bute: 635 items on 22 pages - there was a single entry in the class descriptions, but this was for a Dock in Cardiff. With such a large selection some refining is needed, for example ... Bute plus Rothesay in second box: 4 items on 1 page including two in the T 1/... Customs series - see Arran sample below. Cumbrae: 18 items on 1 page including some Millport references. (Researchers interested in these islands would also need to search on the alternate spellings Cumbray and Cambray ! - see examples below) Millport: again 18 items on 1 page - including those found under Cumbrae plus others. Brodick: 9 items on 1 page. Arran: 150 items on 5 pages - this search needs refining as there are a lot of entries on the Earls of Arran, entries for the Irish Arran Isles etc. I've extracted some items from this overall list below ... HO 45/7520 LUNACY: Lunatics in private detention. Lunacy Act ss 104 and 105 did not empower secretary of state to give an order in general time, for a whole district, to Scottish Lunacy Board to visit houses (case of Isles of Arran, Bute and Cambray) 1863 HO 45/7520 SCOTLAND (See separate headings FACTORIES, MINES, TITLE ROYAL, KNIGHTHOOD, and POOR LAW (for removal of Scottish paupers to Ireland): Lunatics in private detention: Isles of Arran, Bute and Cumbray; secretary of state could not make order in general terms 1863 MAF 43/18 Aberdeen Favourite 1927: Aberdonian 1924: Argyll Favourite 1927: Arran Banner 1927: Arran Consul 1925: Arran Crest 1929: Avondale 1924: Balcarris 1924: Balvaird 1925: Baron 1927: Benalt 1924: Ben Cruachan 1923: Ben Lomond 1923: Best of the Bunch 1929: Bou Clicking the Details button for this last one provides ... Lettercode Title Records created or inherited by the Agriculture, Fisheries and Food Departments, and of related bodies Class Title Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food and predecessors: Horticulture Correspondence and Papers Piece Title Aberdeen Favourite 1927: Aberdonian 1924: Argyll Favourite 1927: Arran Banner 1927: Arran Consul 1925: Arran Crest 1929: Avondale 1924: Balcarris 1924: Balvaird 1925: Baron 1927: Benalt 1924: Ben Cruachan 1923: Ben Lomond 1923: Best of the Bunch 1929: Bou Header Title POTATOES: CERTIFICATES OF IMMUNITY FROM WART DISEASE SubHeader Title Varieties: 1920-1929 Closure Status Open Place of Deposit Public Record Office, Kew Note Text Open without restriction (See MAFF letter of 13 Apr. 1965 on 2/CK/9). Transferred: 6 April1965 NB when you select "details" then return to the list page, when you select "next page" the search criteria are changed to include the reference information from the details page. The next page does not appear at this point, but the current page is refreshed. DON'T worry, the list has not been changed, just select next page again, and you will move on to the next page of items that match your original search data. The note in the original instructions about the "Lettercode" & "Class.." fields on the search form applies here - note also that the information entered by the system will always be from the last details page you viewed. Another interesting group of 4 records from the Arran list - contents of which may help some ... T 1/436/59 Customs: letter from Philip Stephens at the Admiralty Office enclosing a report of Lieutenant Barker about being attacked by smugglers at Arran. 1764 Aug.28 T 1/436/60 Customs: Lieut.Barker's account of his attempting to apprehend a suspected ship approaching Arran and coming under attack from the smugglers and a crowd on shore. 1764 Aug.15 T 1/436/61 Customs: letter from the Commissioners for Customs for Scotland reporting on the insufficiency of the existing sworn statement about the incident with the smugglers at Arran, and explaining that new examinations are being made of the witnesses. 1764 Sept.11 T 1/436/62 Customs: letter from the Commissioners for Customs for Scotland giving the results of the examination of witnesses of the incident with smugglers at Arran, and the action taken to apprehend the suspected offenders. 1764 Sept.18 - ---------------------------------------------------- Ok so you find an interesting entry - what next? Peter Jones to the rescue ... "If you go to http://www.pro.gov.uk and look on the left hand side of the page you will find a number of buttons of interest. The "Record Copying" button will for example show you how to order a copy and how to get an estimate of the costs beforehand, ie you pay £10 up front for the estimate which is deductible from any subsequent order. I don't know whether this is cheaper than getting an agent to obtain a copy for you. I do however note that you can receive copies on either paper, microfiche, film or CD as appropriate. ..." - -------------------------------- In closing, here is a short cut to the PRO Catalogue Search form ... http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ListInt/browse_keywords_frameset.asp and there IS a link back to the main page from this page. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/437 Surname: McMillan, Kerr, McDuffie ------------------------- Not sure if there's a connection but my gggg-grandfather, Daniel MCDUFFIE (1750-1828), supposedly of Arran, married Mary Margaret KERR (1750-1834), also supposedly of Arran. They eventually settled in North Carolina. One of their daughters, Elizabeth MCDUFFIE (1775-1863) married Dugald MCMILLAN, Sr (d. 1835) and had Duncan, Dugald Jr., John Iver, Elizabeth, Jane, and Margaret MCMILLAN.

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/436 Surname: Lilly, Cullen ------------------------- James Lilly b. 1880 Bellshill, lanarkshire. married unknown Buchannan.1905/6 Children Mary Lilly b.1907 Bellshill, lanark. married unknown Cullen. Both mary & husband school teachers. On retirement James Lilly & wife moved to Millport? Mary and husband also moved to Millport? Mr. Cullen was said to have been ex provost of Cumbrae? Doing family research would like to hear from anyone who knows anything on the above people or any family members. Betty Cairns