In a message dated 12/26/00 5:39:38 AM GMT Standard Time, kettering@ozemail.com.au writes: << The only information I have is the following. FRANCES THURTLE JAMIESON Born 1827c Island of Bute, Scotland. Parents unknown. Not much to go on is it??????? >> Hi I'm afraid there is no Frances Jamieson in the 1851 census in Bute. What evidence do you have that she was born in Buteshire? Have you found her in another census? The marriage's entry saying she was of a parish in Buteshire only means she was living there at the time of her marriage not that she was born there. Is there any chance that the Thurtle name has come down orally and is actually Thirkell? Irene
Hi, I am researching for a good friend of mine as I enjoy doing research for people. I have been unable to find any information on her G.G.grandmother who died in Kangaroo Flat, Bendigo, Victoria, Australia in 1870. Unfortuantely she was married in the early half of 1853, so her wedding certificate is an early church one and only gives the partners, date and church. The only information I have is the following. FRANCES THURTLE JAMIESON Born 1827c Island of Bute, Scotland. Parents unknown. Not much to go on is it??????? I have tried the IGI's for Scotland and come up with nothing. I thought perhaps THURTLE may have been a surname along the line somewhere.( Not one on the IGI) If anyone has any information that may help, I would greatly appreciate it, as Liz & her husband Pat plan to travel to England & Ireland in 2002 and may visit the island is they can find out where Frances actually came from. Thank you in anticipation Eileen Sullivan, Kyabram, Victoria, Australia.
Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/476 Surname: Nish ------------------------- This does not seem to be a match. I have an Alex BAIN married to Jane NISH
Recently someone made enquiries about the records of the Mountstuart trust. The reply I had when I made enquiries is as follows; (dated 2.5.2000) From:Mount Stuart Trust <archives@mountstuart.com> "Our archives are currently closed to researchers during a period of reorganisation which will see the collection fully catalogued for the first time. We hope to be able to open to public access in the next couple of years (Im afraid I cant give a more precise date at present). We do possess a great many items relating to Bute including estate rental ledgers (from 1746) as well as various earlier items. The estate records are currently being sorted, arranged and catalogued and should be available for consultation when the archive opens to the public. In the meantime I would advise that you contact the Bute Museum in Stuart Street, Rothesay, who will be able to undertake research on your behalf for a small hourly fee. They will also have copies of the printed records of the parish of Rothesay from 1658 to 1750 which were published by the 4th Marquess of Bute in the 1930s. The originals of these parish records are held in the Argyll and Bute District Council Archives in Lochghilphead. The archivist there is Murdo MacDonald and he would be a very worthwhile contact. A further potential avenue for research would be the National Archives of Scotland who are based in HM General Register House, Princes Street, Edinburgh. I do hope that this has been of assistance. Yours sincerely, Andrew McLean Archivist"
Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/475 Surname: McNISH, McNEISH, NICOL, NICOLL, SMITH, KAY ------------------------- Hello Ken, Following are my Arran, Buteshire McNISH, McNEISH interests. I am searching and hoping for any further information about or connections to this family though I've had no success to date. Thomas McNISH/McNEISH (b unknown date & place in Scotland m Jean NICOL/NICOLL bc1763 Paisley, on 12 June, 1790 Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland. Only 2 children known to me. Son, John McNEISH bap. 8 Aug.1799 Paisley - nothing else known Son, *Alexander McNEISH (occupations: weaver, and later a coal merchant) b 31 March, 1791 Paisley d 31 May, 1866 Isle of Arran, Buteshire, married c1821 in Paisley, Elizabeth LYLE b 27 Oct.1799 Paisley, d 19 July, 1868 Isle of Arran, Buteshire, d/o John LYLE and Margaret RODGER. Children of Alexander McNEISH & Elizabeth LYLE: i. Violet McNEISH b 24 Dec.1821 Paisley, m 25 Dec.1857 at Lamlash, Arran, Buteshire, Thomas KAY b 1824 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, who was until he retired from service a member of the Royal Navy. This couple were living Govan, Lanarkshire 1881 census & Glasgow, Lanarkshire 1891 census. 3 known children for them: Agnes KAY b1851 Ireland, James KAY b1858 Arran, Buteshire & Alexander McNeish KAY b 1860 Arran, Buteshire - all living with Violet and Thomas in 1881. ii. Thomas McNEISH b1823 Paisley, d Nov.1846 place uncertain, buried Arran, Buteshire. iii. James McNEISH b 25 Oct.1825 Paisley, d unknown date and place - nothing else known iv. Archibald McNEISH b 13 July, 1828 Paisley, d c1865 Australia (don't know area of Australia so haven't found death record or burial yet) - nothing else known v. John McNEISH b 30 May, 1830 Paisley, d c1852 Demerara (Georgetown) Guyana, South America - nothing else known vi. *Mary McNEISH b 6 Mar.1832 Paisley, d 12 Mar.1900 Greenock, Renfrewshire, m 7 June, 1861 at Lamlash, Arran, Buteshire George SMITH, Jr. b 11 Nov.1830 Arran, Buteshire, d 6 Sept.1907 Greenock, Renfrewshire. 4 children total for them: Margaret Cunningham SMITH b1862 Greenock, Renfrewshire, Elizabeth Lyle SMITH b1864 Greenock, Mary Anne SMITH b1868 Kilbride Parish, Arran, Buteshire, Alexander McNeish Smith b 1870 Greenock. vii. Jean Nicol "Jeannie" McNEISH b 12 Nov.1834 Paisley, d 25 Nov.1881 Arran, Buteshire - spinster - kept a small shop Kilbride Parish, Arran, Buteshire. Regards, Pat McCabe
I am researching the surnames BOWNE TAYLOR CLARK CREE HODGE BOWNE - world wide past and present info on census info on pedigree info on descendents TAYLOR all born Scotland Neil Taylor b d spouse ? one known child John Taylor b 1843 or 1850 Lochranza Isle of Arran Buteshire Co Scotland d Lochranza Isle of Arran Buteshire Co Scotland spouse Isabella Clark (father Donald Clark) b 1848 Lochranza Isle of Arran Buteshire Co Scotland d Lochranza Isle of Arran Buteshire Co Scotland children in order of birth (year aprox) found this info on the 1881 Census for the city of Hamilton FHL British film 0203692 GRO Parish 647 district 9 page 6 address dwelling 52 Union St Hamilton ,Scotland John b 1867 age 14 in census b Ardrossan Ayreshire C Scotland d spouse ? 2 Neil b 1870 age 11 in census b Ardrossan Ayreshire Co Scotland d spouse ? 3 Robert b 1871 age 10 in census b Ardrossan Ayreshire Co Scotland d spouse ? 4 Daniel b 1873 age 8 in census b Renfrewshire Co Scotland d spouse ? 5 Alexander b 1876 age 5 in census b Hamilton Lanarkshire Co Scotland d spouse ? 6 Elizabeth b 1878 age 3 in census b Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland d spouse ? 7 Thomas b 1880 age 1 in census b Hamilton Lanarkshire Scotland d their were 5 more children I would like info on the 1891 census for Hamilton living in the same house in order of birth 8 Archibald b 1883 Hamilton d 1975 Toronto Canada spouse ? 9 Edward (Ned) b 1888 Hamilton Scotland d 1988 Victoria BC Canada spouse never Married and was in WW1 10 Isabella b ? d spouse ? 11 Marie( also went by Mary A) my grandmother b 1890 Hamilton Scotland d 1950 Vancouver BC Canada do not know where she is burried(I would like names of cemeteries in the Vancouver area, also Richland, New Westminister etc) may have died in Regina and sent to be burried in BC spouse Charles Frederick Hodge b 1890 Scotland d 1917 in WW1 in Belgium (Flanders Field?) Charles father William Hodge b ? Charles Mother Catherine ? on last name Marie and Charles lived in Innisfail Alberta in 1914 where my mother was born Catherine Isobel Hodge b 1914 12 Margaret b ? d ? spouse ? 13 Charles b 1893 d thanks for any info on these families Audrey Bowne Seattle State of Washington USA gbowne@email.msn.com BOWNE-L@rootsweb.coom CLARK-L@rootsweb.com TAYLOR-L@rootsweb.com HODGE-L@rootsweb.com CREE-L@rootsweb.com please include you email address b
Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/472 Surname: mcneil ------------------------- The forum listed below may give some information which will help you in your search for William McNeil. Information contained therein gives a Daniel McNeil born 1820, who may be William's father. Link: John McNeil/ Janet Duncan, Rothesay,1819 URL: <http://genforum.genealogy.com/mcneil/messages/663.html>
Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/471 Surname: NISH, NEISH, NIESH ------------------------- Interest in exchanging information with anyone who has this name in their tree
Lynn, Many thanks for posting the Kingarth OPR notes. I see that one of your interests is Mark MARSHALL CRAWFORD. You may already know this, but Mark MARSHALL was minister at Kingarth in the early 1800s, so it seems likely that your man was named after him. According to Bute and Arran Monumental Inscriptions pre 1851, edited by Alison Mitchell, the Rev Mark Marshall died in 1820, aged 42, and is buried at Kingarth. Thanks again for all the wonderful info to pore over, Madeleine
Trying to get a little further than the LDS Family Search could take me........ ARCHIBALD BLACK b abt 1741, of East Kames, Bute, m abt 1776. His wife was ISOBEL DOUGLAS b abt 1745, (of Rothesay), Bute. Their son JOHN BLACK, ch. Mar 29, 1767 in Rothesay, Bute JOHN BLACK, b Mar 29, 1767 in Rothesay, Bute. (No marriage found) His son was JOHN BLACK, b Dec 4 , 1791 Son's wife was MARY McLEAN,b Sept 23 1804 in Kingarth, Bute, d after 1828 Their daughter was ISOBEL BLACK ch Feb 1,1818 in Kingarth, Bute. There may have been other siblings - Mary 1820, Agnes 1822, Joseph Stewart 1826, Margaret 1828 and Mary 1830. Any further information on these families would be appreciated - Please reply directly to tptenney@vtc.net Thanks, Peta-Anne, Aussie in Arizona
HUGH BROWN - Not an unusual name I know, but the gentleman I'm refering to married Isobel/la BLACK on April 4 1850, and was apparently born about 1825 in Kingarth, Bute. I have his wife and children, and they all emigrated to Australia in 1852 on board the 'Chance'. Could anyone help with further info on HUGH BROWN's parentage etc.? My searching was done on the LDS Family Search site. Many thanks, and please reply directly to tptenney@vtc.net Peta-Anne, Aussie in Arizona
Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/470 Surname: GREIG, BOYD ------------------------- In 1841 the GREIG family lived on Relevourkie farm with David BOYD, father of Margaret GREIG. In 1851, the GREIGs were on Greenan farm (David BOYD had gone, died presumably). When they left to come to New Zealand in 1873, they were at Mill'o'Greenan. I believe these locations are beside Greenan Loch. I am interested in information about these farms and the loch. Can anyone help with references to written or photographic material?
* designates my interests date listed is marriage date unless other wise specified 1849 Thomas VICTORY (?) & Sarah McDOUGALL, both Kingarth, 24 Apr 1849 Robert McCALISTER, Kingarth & Margaret MURDOCH, Barony, Glasgow, 26 Apr 1846 William McKELLAR, Kingarth 5 June 1849 Margaret Matilda CUNNINGHAME GRAHAME, Rothesay John NAPIER, Rothesay & Margaret JAMIESON, Kingarth, 3 Jul 1849 *John MARTIN, Kingarth & Martha ORR, Dalry, 27 Jul 1849 William McCALLUM & Mary DUNCAN. both Kingarth, 18 Sept 1849 Thomas TODD, Kingarth & Elizabeth WRIGHT, Rothesay, 6 Nov 1849 *Mark MARSHALL CRAWFORD & Jane WATT CRAWFORD, both Kingarth, 14 Dec 1849 1850 John McINTYRE & Euphemia McFADZEAN, both Kingarth, 14 Jan 1850 James [DUNCAN(?)DENOON] McALISTER, Kingarth, & Agnes KERR ROBERTSON, Fenwick, 15 Jan 1850 John McDONALD & Jane McKIRDY, both Kingarth, 23 Jan 1850 Duncan MILLER, Rothesay & Isabella McLEAN, Kingarth, 14 Mar 1850 Matthew McFIE & Mary BOAG, both Kingarth, 28 Mar 1850 Hugh BROWN & Isabella BLACK, both Kingarth, 4 Apr 1850 *William McINTYRE, Kingarth & Jane HALL, Largo, 11 Jun 1850 *William MARTIN & Agnes BLACK, both Kingarth, 11 Jul 1850 Peter DOUGLAS, Kingarth & Mary STEWART, Dalry, 26 Jul 1850 Robert McFIE, Kingarth, & Grace PATTERSON, Rothesay, 14 Nov 1850 1851 Neill CRAWFORD, Rothesay & Ann CRAWFORD, Kingarth, 30 Sep 1851 Daniel McFIE & Mary Ann CRAWFORD, both Kingarth, 1 Oct 1851 1852 James DUNCAN, Rothesay & Mary MARTIN, Kingarth, 26 Feb 1852 Wm CRAWFORD, North BUTE & Agnes MONTGOMERY, Kingarth, 27 Apr 1852 Neil McALPINE, Kingarth & Margaret STEVENSON, Kilmordan, 28 Jun 1852 ********************************************* Random deaths 1768- smallpox epidemic Deaths: 16 Jul 1777, Lily, 54, spouse to Thomas CRAWFORD, died of the flux 7 Jan 1782, Elizabeth, 8 mos, d/o John CRAWFORD & Janet McFEE 31 Aug 1783 Richard, about 2, s/o John CRAWFORD & Janet McFEE 8 Mar 1784, Bryce MERTINE, in Lubas, 46 13 Mar 1784 Janet McFEE, spouse to John CRAWFORD Nollaig Cridheil, everyone. Merry Christmas. Lynn in Baltimore, MD USA marylindsay1@home.com
* designates my interests dates are marriage date unless otherwise specified *Mark MARSHALL CRAWFORD & Jean HALL, both Kingarth 19 Apr 1838 John JAMIESON Rothesay 12 June 1838 Ann GLASS Kingarth Robert McKAY & Ann MARTIN, both Kingarth 26 Jul 1838 Hugh McKINNON & Margaret DUNCAN both Kingarth 2 Aug 1838 1839 John HOWARD Rothesay 2 May 1839 Margaret LYNN Kingarth John McLEAN Kingarth proclaimed 2 Jun 1839, marriage to Christina HEYMAN, also Kingarth not recorded 1843 Charles STEWART Ochiltree proclaimed 23 Jul 1843, marriage to Isabella McDOUGALL, Kingarth, not recorded James SMITH & Mary CURRIE, both Kingarth, proclaimed 26 Nov 1843, marriage not recorded 1844 Thomas McKIRDY & Jean FLETCHER, both Kingarth, proclaimed 4 Feb 1844, marriage not recorded Alexander GIBB & Elisabeth DUNCAN, both Kingarth, proclaimed 10 Mar 1844, marriage not recorded *Archibald HALL & Helen MARTIN, both Kingarth, 11 June 1844 1845 & 1846 George BALFOUR, Rothesay 6 Dec 1844 Margaret McNAIR, Kingarth Wm McMILLAN, Kingarth 5 Mar 1845 Elizabeth ANDERSON, Rothesay John McINNES, Rothesay 29 Apr 1845 Isabella DOUGLAS, Kingarth Daniel BAXTER & Marg McFADZEAN, both Kingarth, 26 May 1845 Malcolm McCLEAN, Kingarth 11 Nov 1845 Margt McLEAN, Bowman, Islay James JOHNSTONE & Fanny TAYLOR, both Kingarth, 27 Nov 1845 William McINTYRE, North Bute, 2 Dec 1845 Agnes McNEIL, Kingarth 1846 Wllm SHORTLAND, Luss(?) 11 Jan 1846 Janet McNEIL, Kingarth John McLEAN & Mary DARROCH, both Kingarth, 22 Jan 1846 William SHAND & Janet Mc NICOL, both Kingarth, 27 Jan 1846 *John HALL & Jane MARTIN, both Kingarth, 30 Mar 1846 George McLEAN & Mary SCOTT, both Kingarth, 9 June 1846 James BROOMFIELD, St Mary's Edinburgh, 11 June 1846 Janet MONDIE, Kingarth Archibald LEGGAT & Catherine FERGUSON, both Kingarth, 12 June 1846 John BLUE & Jane McFADZEAN, both Kingarth, 17 June 1846 Lynn in Baltimore, MD USA marylindsay1@home.com
* designates my interests Janet McKIRDY, lawful d/o John DUNCAN & Euphemia McFIE, 25 Dec 1852 Dugald, lawful s/o Dugald McKILLOP & Ann STIRLING, "end of year of 1853" William, lawful s/o John McCALLUM & Margt McNICHOLL, 21 Oct 1852 Grace, lawful d/o John McINTYRE & Elizabeth PATERSON, 30 Dec 1852 Mary (child in adultry) Mother Mary DUNCAN, wife of _____ DUNCAN, fugitive, 29 June 1852, (bapt 15 May 1854) 1853 John, lawful s/o Stewart McINTYRE & Marion HOWAT, b Greenock, 9 Feb 1853, (bapt Kingarth 15 Apr 1853) Mary, lawful d/o Joseph S BLACK & Jane WYLIE, 19 Feb 1853 Janet, lawful d/o Andrew FISHER & Mary McEWING, 14 Mar 1853 Margaret, lawful d/o Alexander McCONACHY & Beatrice SCOTT HAIG, 15 Apr 1853 *John, lawful s/o John HALL & Jane MARTIN, 14 May 1853 Ann, lawful d/o William BARR & Rebecca DUNCAN, 30 May 1853 1854 Isabella, lawful d/o James FULLERTON & Margaret McFIE, 21 Apr 1854 John WEMYSS, lawful s/o Neil BANNATYNE & Margt WALLACE, 13 May 1854 Charles, lawful s/o Charles McKAY & Rosina McKIRDY, 18 Oct 1854 *Andrew MARTIN, lawful s/o John HALL & Jane MARTIN, 30 Oct 1854 Mary Catherine, lawful d/o John McCALLUM & Margt NICHOLLS, 20 Oct 1854 Janet, lawful d/o Lachlan McINNES & Janet McFIE, 12 Oct 1854 Jessie, lawful d/o John McINTYRE & Euphemia McFADZEAN (sic), 26 Feb 1854, (bapt 21 Dec 1854) Robert John, **only lawful son** of Robert BARTHLOMEW & Susan Jane CUNNINGHAME GRAHAM 28 June 1854 Jane HUNTER DUNCAN, lawful d/o Wm H DUNCAN & Mary RUTHERFORD, 16 Nov 1854 Robert, lawful s/o William McMILLAN & Elizabeth ANDERSON, 2 Dec 1854 Lynn in Baltimore, MD USA marylindsay1@home.com
More names on the same pages as my interests. * designates my line of interest *Jane Helen, lawful d/o John HALL & Jane MARTIN, 12 Jul 1848 Janet, lawful d/o John DUNCAN & Janet McFIE, 28 Jul 1848 Robert, antenuptial s/o Peter FLETCHER & Christina MUNDIE, 9 Sept 1848 Mary HAYMAN, lawful d/o Andrew FISHER & Mary McEWEN, 7 Dec 1848, (bapt 8 Mar 1850) Archibald, lawful s/o Duncan BELL & Flora CURRIE, 25 May 1848 Findlay, lawful s/o John McCALLUM & Margt ???(illegible) 11 Dec 1848 Mary CAMPBELL, lawful d/o Angus McKIRDY & Elizabeth McFIE, 16 Feb 1849 Jane, lawful d/o Malcolm McCLEAN & Jane McINTYRE, 19 Mar 1849 Mary, antenuptial d/o Andrew MAINS & Marion BLACK, 31 Jul 1848, (bapt 9 Apr 1849) Catherine, lawful d/o Daniel McLEOD & Catherine McKIRDY, 20 Apr 1849 1850 *Dugald, lawful s/o John HALL & Jane MARTIN, 10 Feb 1850 Jane DUNCAN, lawful d/o (illegible, ? Wm) McKIRDY & Jane FLETCHER, 22 Feb 1850 Archibald MARTIN, lawful s/o Robert McKAY & Ann MARTIN, 6 Mar 1850 Duncan, lawful s/o Robert DEWAR & Margt HALLEY, 9 Mar 1850 Mary BARR, lawful d/o Hugh McDOUGALL & Janet COCHRANE, 21 Apr 1850 Daniel, lawful s/o Duncan BLASK & Janet DUNCAN, 24 Apr 1850 Janet FINLAY, lawful d/o Robert McALISTER & Margt MURDOCK, 2 Apr 1850 Duncan, lawful **Daughter** of Archibald McMILLAN & Flora McKELLAR, 13 May 1850 John, lawful s/o Duncan BELL & Flora CURRIE, 23 Apr 1850 Lynn in Baltimore, MD, USA marylindsay1@home.com
Hello, My name is Dee Schaffer. I was a subscriber to Buteshire before, left, = and now I am back. I am still looking for the same elusive relatives. = Especially looking for Margaret BARR, born about 1869, perhaps in = Rothesay. Her husband was John WILSON. John's parents (Andrew WILSON and = Catherine MC DOUGALL) moved to Rothesay about 1888, and lived at Roslin = Cottage, Canada Hill. Two of John and Margaret's children were reportedly born in Rothesay, = but I have been unable to find their registration. Andrew was born 1890, = and James 1895. They made trips to the US in between when my = Grandmother, Mary was born in PA in 1893. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Dee Schaffer schafferde@writeme.com
Hi Doug, Lochranza is a village at the north west corner of Arran. I guess the church will be there or fairly close. There is an information centre (may only be summer) which might be able to help with the farm. Mary H.
Ann, lawful dtr to Matthew HOOD & Catherine SMITH- 21 Aug 1846 Henry Arthur, s/o Sir William KEITH, Brt, & Helen Margaret OLIPHANT, 7 July 1846 Mary, d/o John BANNATYNE & Mary BROWN, 12 Sept 1846 James, s/o Daniel McMILLAN & Margaret MOTION, 2 Nov 1846 *Jane CRAWFORD, d/o John HALL & Jane MARTIN, 8 Jan 1847 Mary, lawful d/o Neil BANNATYNE & Margt WALLACE, 2 Dec 1846 John, lawful s/o William SHORTLAND & Catherine BANNATYNE, 2 Dec 1846 Hugh, lawful s/o Hugh McDOUGALL & Janet COCHRANE, 31 Dec 1846 James, lawful s/o James FULLERTON & Margt McFIE, 23 Feb 1847 Sarah, lawful d/o John WALKER & Janet DUNCAN, 12 Apr 1847 Elizabeth DUNCAN, lawful d/o Fergus MCFIE & Margt McALPINE, 20 Apr 1847 Lynn in Baltimore, MD USA marylindsay1@home.com
Where, on the Isle of Arran, is Killymore farm located? Also does anyone know the location of Lochranza Church (Presbyterian) on Arran? Thanks for any help offered with this query. Doug Purcell 633 North Randolph Avenue Eufaula, AL 36027-1209 dpurcell@the-link.net or dpurcell@zebra.net