There have been a considerable number of families of Buteshire that have anglicised their surnames, especially between the mid 1700s and the early 1800s. Examples are McGilcherran to Sharp and McConnechy to Duncan. I wonder if anyone knows why this was done in the first place and secondly, how the new names were chosen. It must have been more than to distinguish different branches of larger families??? Bill

I am really sorry folks that this is such a rotten presentation of info. and if anyone would like the data in a table form I am happy to send it direct. Data is from FHL film # 1042358 North Bute 557 and Rothesay 558 no. //, street no and/or house name Name// Relation to head of family// Married ?// age// Profession or Occupation // Where Born// Disabled ? 25 Bishop Street John McAlister Head Wdr 80 Fisheries officer retired Bute Kingarth John McAlister Son U 46 House proprietor Bute Kingarth Janet McKirdy Sis in law U 64 Bute Kingarth 14 10 East Princes St Archibald Nicol Head M 72 Harbourmaster Bute Kingarth Helen Nicol Wife M 59 Bute Kingarth Helen Nicol Daur U 23 Bute Kingarth Mary Nicol Daur U 19 Bute Kingarth Jemima? Nicol Daur U 17 Bute Kingarth Archibald Walker Visitor M 21 Warehouseman Bute Kingarth 45 3 Bishop Terrace Ann McKirdy Head Wid 57 Proprietor of houses Bute Kingarth Arch. McKirdy Son U 23 Banker Bute Rothesay John McKirdy Son U 21 Writer's general clerk Bute Rothesay Robt McKirdy Son U 19 Banker's clerk Bute Rothesay James McKirdy Son U 14 Scholar Bute Rothesay Mary McLean Serv. U 22 House servant Argyll Kilfinnan 49 Lily Bank House John Gillies Head M 48 Town clerk Notary public Bank agent Procurator in sheriffs court Bute Rothesay Isabella Gillies Wife M 48 Lanark Glasgow Thomas Gillies Son U 23 Writer Bute Rothesay Eliz. Gillies Daur U 21 At home Bute Rothesay Jessie Gillies Daur U 17 At home Bute Rothesay William Gillies Son U 13 Scholar Bute Rothesay James Gillies Son U 11 Scholar Bute Rothesay Isabella Gillies Daur U 9 Scholar Bute Rothesay David Welsh Gillies Son U 5 Bute Rothesay Mary Willis Serv U 19 General servant Renfrrew Greenock 40 16 Argyle Street Marion McKinlay Head M 26 Captain's wife Bute Kingarth Jane Heron Niece U 18 Bute Kingarth 11 Argyle Street John Stewart Head M 65 Commander Princess Royal fisheries cutter Bute Rothesay Agnes Stewart Wife M 58 Lanark Glasgow Jane Oliphant Sis in law U 45 House proprietor Lanark Glasgow Ann Boyd Serv U 52 General servant Bute Rothesay 24 16 Castle Street Agnes Nicol Head M 26 Captains wife M L Bute Rothesay Isabella Nicol Daur U 3 Bute Rothesay Ellen Nicol Daur U 1 Bute Rothesay Jessie McAlister Sister U 25 House Proprietor Bute Rothesay 23 Mill St. ( backland ) James McIntosh Head Widr 20 Letter carrier Bute Rothesay James McIntosh Son U 10 mo Sarah McDougal Sis in law U 38 Stacking Worker Donegall Ireland Blind 47 15 King Street William McKinlay Head M 79 Fisherman Bute Rothesay Elizabeth McKinlay W M 66 Argyll Glendarnel Malcom McDonald Gr. Child U 8 Bute Rothesay 21 Mill St. (Backland) Charles McKinlay Head M 25 Mariner Bute Rothesay Jean McKinlay Wife M 22 Mariners Wife Bute Rothesay 41 Gallowgate St Elizabeth McKinlay Head U 38 Domestic duties Bute Rothesay John McKinlay Neph U 24 Journeyman joiner Lanark Glasgow 52 3 Argyle Terrace Thomas McKinlay Son U 34 Farmer (Manager) Lanark Glasgow Christine McKinlay Daur U 35 At home Lanark Glasgow Isabella McKinlay Daur U 26 At home Bute Rothesay Margaret McKinlay Daur U 20 At home Bute Rothesay Mary McTaggart Daur U 17 House servant Argyll Auchiheth? 71 49 Montague St Janet McKinlay Head U 34 Laundress Bute Rothesay 80 ? Montague Street John McKinlay Head M 36 Tailor emp. 4 men 1 boy Lanark Barony Park Agnes McKinlay Wife M 33 Bute Rothesay John McKinlay Son U 5 Scholar Bute Rothesay Agnes McKinlay Daur U 3 Bute Rothesay Mathew McKinlay Son U 1 Bute Rothesay John McIntosh Appren U 14 Tailors apprentice Bute Kingarth Sophia McFarlane Serv U 16 House servant Argyll Lingnahunahan 1 High Street Janet McKinlay Head Wid 35 Inn Keeper Bute Rothesay Janet B McKinlay Daur U 15 Scholar Bute Rothesay 6 Montague St Margaret McKinlay Head Wid 67 Bute Rothesay Agnes McKinlay G.Dr U 19 Steam loom weaver Lanark Glasgow 34 ? Montague Street Daniel McKinlay Head M 37 Leather cutter salesman Lanark Glasgow Helen McKinlay Wife M 37 Bootmaker Lanark Glasgow Peter McKinlay Son U 16 Tailors apprentice Bute Rothesay Angus McKinlay Son U 15 Shoemaker apprentice Bute Rothesay Margaret McKinlay Daur U 13 Scholar Bute Rothesay Mary McKinlay Daur U 10 Scholar Bute Rothesay Isabella McKinlay Daur U 7 Bute Rothesay Helen McKinlay Daur U 3 Bute Rothesay 61 After 40 Montague St Daniel McKinlay Head M 33 Police man Bute Rothesay Mary McKinlay Wife M 35 Bute Rothesay Mary McKinlay Daur U 6 Bute Rothesay Isabella McKinlay Daur U 4 Bute Rothesay Margaret McKinlay Daur U 1 Bute Rothesay 33 22 Castle Street John McKinlay Head M 66 Fish curer Bute Rothesay Mary McKinlay Wife M 54 Bute Rothesay Janet McKinlay Daur U 25 Bute Rothesay Archibald McKinlay Son U 23 Draper Bute Rothesay Isabella McKinlay Daur U 19 Bute Rothesay John McKinlay Son U 17 Apprentice grocer Bute Rothesay 24 Castle Street Neil Jamieson Head Wid 66 Fish curer Bute Kingarth Ann Jamieson Daur U 28 House keeper Bute Rothesay Ninian Bannatyne Neph U 12 Scholar Shetland Lenwick Ann McFadyen Serv U 28 House servant Hebrides Isle of Coll 35 Shore Street Daniel Baxter Head Mar 43 Fisherman Bute Pt. Bannatyne Janet Baxter Wife Mar 40 Fishermans wife Bute Pt. Bannatyne Mary Baxter Daur. Unm 7 Scholar Bute Pt. Bannatyne Mary Campbell Visitor Wid. 66 Pauper family servant Inverness Dunnag......? 64 Shore Street Archibald Baxter Head Mar 56 Labourer Bute North Bute Catherine Baxter Wife Mar 18 Labourer Bute North Bute Ninian Baxter Son Unm 19 Labourer Bute North Bute Catherine Cree? Grand Daur. Unm 20 Labourer Bute North Bute 5 High Street Daniel Baxter Head Mar 33 Labourer Buteshire Mary Baxter Wife Mar 32 Argyll Isle of Coll 23 Castle Street John Baxter Head Mar 28 Cotton Spinner Bute Rothesay Janet Baxter Wife Mar 29 Bute North Bute Archibald Baxter Son Unm 2 Bute Rothesay Isabella Baxter Daur Unm 1mo Bute Rothesay Archibald Baxter Brother Unm 24 Bute Rothesay 33 78 Montague street William Boag Head Mar 48 Blockcutter Lanarkshire Mary Hill Ann Boag Wife Mar 50 Blockcutters Wife Ireland William Boag Son U 9 Scholar Argylshire Dunoon Margaret Boag Daur U 6 Scholar Argylshire Dunoon Jean Boag Daur U 3 Argylshire Dunoon Hannah Duncan Lodger Wid 55 Masons Widow Buteshire Rothesay 36 Shore Street Johana Carswell Wife Mar 21 Fisherman's wife Bos? Loch Broom Thomas Carswell Step son U 14 Scholar Buteshire Pt. Bannatyne Jane Carswell Daur. U 2 At Home Buteshire Pt. Bannatyne John Carswell Son U 2 mo At home Buteshire Pt. Bannatyne 5 Edinbeg Jane Carswell Head Wid. 47 Farmer of 96 acres, 2 labourers Argyll West Kilbride Thomas Carswell Son U 20 Buteshire Nth. Bute Margaret Carswell Daur. U 18 Buteshire Nth. Bute Mary Carswell Daur U 16 Buteshire Nth. Bute Janet Carswell Daur U 14 Scholar Buteshire Nth. Bute Jane Carswell Daur U 12 Scholar Buteshire Nth. Bute Marion Carswell Daur U 7 Scholar Buteshire Nth. Bute Hugh Baxter Serv. U 22 Farm Labourer Buteshire Nth. Bute David Arthur Serv U 17 Farm Labourer Lanark Glasgow 15 Upper Street John Hill Head M 79 Weaver Argyll Skipness Catherine Hill Wife M 56 Argyll Skipness Neil Hill Son Umar 25 Fisherman Argyll Skipness John Hill Son Unm 12 Scholar Argyll Skipness 14? Gallowgate Street William Hill Head M 40 Woodman Argyll Skipness Janet Hill Wife M 35 Argyll Mull Archibald Hill Son Unm 12 Scholar Bute Rothesay William Hill Son Unm 9 Scholar Bute Rothesay Daniel Hill Son Unm 7 Scholar Bute Rothesay James Hill Son Unm 4mo Bute Rothesay 53 Mount Pleasant House Agnes McGregor Head Unm 46 Annuitant Bute Rothesay Margaret Laidlaw Sister Wid. 46 Annuitant Bute Rothesay Alexander Laidlaw Nephew Unm 19 Writers Clerk Bute Rothesay Margaret A Laidlaw Neice U 12 Scholar Bute Rothesay 45 Ardbeg Road James Marshall Head Mar 60 Landed Proprietor Scotland Elisa Marshall Wife Mar 40 Landed Proprietor Scotland Elizabeth Marshall Daur. Unm 14 Scholar Bute James Marshall Son U 13 Scholar Bute Barbara Marshall Daur. U 11 Bute John Marshall Son U 9 Bute Thomas A Marshall Son U 8 Bute Helen C Marshall Daur. U 6 At Home Bute Margaret R Marshall Daur U 3 At home Bute William (?) Marshall Son U 1 At home Bute Mrs Buchannan Visitor Wid. 50 None Lanark Scotland Miss Carswell Visitor Unm 30 None Lanark Scotland Margaret McKinnon Serv. U 40 Nurse Lanark Scotland Mary Campbell Serv. U 30 Servant Lanark Scotland 35 Gallowgate St. Robert McBride Head Mar 67 Quay Porter Dony ? Ireland Deaf Janet McBride Wife Mar 77

Hi folks I am going to Rothesay tomorrow for the weekend. It is the Wales/Scotland rugby match in Edinburgh on Saturday and the Pentyrch team are coming up to Rothesay from Wales ....... they watch the match in the pub! Rugby leaves me cold so I think I might pop into the library and see what they have in the way of local records. If anyone has a look up which would take 5 minutes!!!! send me it now. (I leave in 15 hours) ............ for example, an OPR date including day month year from the IGI, a census entry with reference number that just needs checked, anything else that is fairly simple. I'm not prepared to trawl through a film for anyone. I don't actually know what the local studies department in the library has. Irene

Bill, Thank you for posting the 1851 Census of Rothesay. I was able to pull information on the Baxter's from it. Again, thanks. Diane *****Diane MacKenzie's Genealogy Web Pages****** Personal Web Page - "http://members.home.net/dianemackenzie/" EMAIL - "dianemackenzie@home.com" Short Name URL - "http://clik.to/dianemackenzie" MacKenzie Resource Center - "http://members.nbci.com/diane_mack/mackenzie/" EMAIL - "mackenzie@surnameweb.org " MacLennan Resource Center - "http://clik.to/maclennan/" EMAIL - "maclennan@surnameweb.org "

The attached message that I attempted to send directly to Cheryl, following up some correspondence through the list, has been returned with the mysterious message (mysterious to me anyway) "The pipe has been ended". Cheryl, perhaps this will reach you through the List instead. (Apologies to everybody else for briefly taking up your time.) Martyn ORIGINAL MESSAGE FOLLOWS Cheryl Get back to me by the weekend if you would like confirmation of what I told you previously and fuller details. I live in the south of England but have a flat in Edinburgh that I shall next be visiting then (something to do with Scotland v Wales on the Rugby field!). I tend to keep my Scottish maps up there. Martyn -----Original Message----- From: C R Bruce <crb14@tig.com.au> To: Martyn Taylor <martyntaylor@email.msn.com> Date: 13 February 2001 10:30 Subject: Re: 1851 Census >Hi Martyn >Thanks for your reply and the information... I'll have to see if I can >locate in on some of the online maps. >cheers >Cheryl

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/500 Surname: McPherson, McDougall, McFie ------------------------- I have an ancestor that was John McPherson born about 1793 in Rothesay, Bute who married Mary McFie born about 1794 in Rothesay. Their daughter, Marion born 15 May 1822 in Rothesay married John McDougall on 13 August 1848 in Rothesay. They immigrated to Australia with their children. The McPherson's farmed just outside Rothesay on "Gortnakellie".

Cheryl From my memory of a recent visit to Bute (but my maps are not conveniently to hand at present), Plan is the name of a farm near the south end of the island. THat would be totally consistent with the other information that you give. Martyn -----Original Message----- From: C R Bruce <crb14@tig.com.au> To: ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 09 February 2001 11:44 Subject: Re: 1851 Census >Hi Bill >Thanks for your kind offer. I have two families from Rothesay at that time. >There is a William Boag (coach proprietor) son of Hugh Boag (tailor >Kingarth) and Elizabeth Scott (Plan) daughter of John Scott (farmer Plan >Kingarth). Would you know what Plan is by any chance?

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/499 Surname: ------------------------- i have a father (deceased) with the surname ewart he resided in rothesey his half brother was billy or william there mothers namr was isabel

Bill While this is slightly off topic for the list, I guess it may also apply to others, so here goes to all... Taking the second point first, re fixing the long lines, in MSOutlook Explorer one would select: Options Send Set the Mail sending format to Plain Text Settings MIME and None Enter an appropriate number for auto wrap: 70 to 75 seems best OK OK As to your Word Table format problem, the only way I know is to convert the table to text using Comma as the separator, THEN save the file in text format. This creates an extra file, but leaves your Document with the Word Table unharmed. Open the text file in Notepad to cut and paste into your email message. You may need to add a note either above or below the data indicating that the comma separated data can be imported into either Word or Excel for formatting into a table. If its a really big file, the only thing to do is to arrange to send the word file (preferably zipped) off list as an attachment. regards Peter

Peter - Your advice if you wouldn't mind. I agree totally with posting to the group rather than individual replies. Heaps of useful information come that way but please tell me how to avoid information that I have in a MS word table becoming spread over about 40 pages!! Format gets demolished in plain text and makes it very difficult to follow. Secondly, I had a look back through archived material for the list the other day and discovered to my embarrassment that postings I had made in the past were all in lines a yard and a half long. they come through on the list OK so what settings do I need to alter to prevent this? Standardised "in", "at" etc. seems to be a most sensible approach. Cheers Bill McK.

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/498 Surname: ------------------------- Peter Hyndman & Ann Currie had 7 children, 3 moved to Straad Ann M. Alex McKirdy, Peter M.1 Marg Campbell 1842, 2 M. Anapole McArthur 1854, & Alexander, Ann Currie in 1851 census Straad died before 1855, alexander applied for licence public house Straad 1849. Regards Merv.

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/497 Surname: McKirdy ------------------------- Agnes Hyndman B. 2/10 1822 Skipness died 12/5/1875,Alex Mckirdy present, Alex not in 1881 census presumed dec by that time, 5 children Mary,William,gilbert, Ann, Marg Anderson,& Catherine, Agnes or Ann sister to my GG grndfather Alexander, Regards Merv Aust.

G'day everyone Just been updating some records & found that I had some extra names listed on one of my entries for the 1881 census for Cumbrae. The main listing is for James FINNIE & his wife Mary FINNIE (prev SINCLAIR, b Kilmory, Bute) at Kirkton Farm, Cumbrae. Also shown as being at the Farm are: Ann SINCLAIR, rel. Servant, occ. Farm Servant, unmarried, 22, Kilmory, Bute; & John SINCLAIR, rel. Boarder, occ. Joiner, unmarried, 20, Kilmory, Bute. Hope this may be of some use to someone. Graeme Gold Coast Queensland Australia

A belated welcome to "stewarcq", Juvanne, and "skyland2" who joined in the last two weeks, but some glitch meant I did not get notified by the RootsWeb mail program. Welcome also to donal who has joined us this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** From another list on the value of posting all replies to the list (excluding personal or "thank you" only messages) ... "One of the joys of the lists is the way that you can pick up information you would never have dreamed existed - simply by being able to follow the conversations which pass between members. If replies go only to individuals, we actually lose much of the list's real value." ****** ****** ****** Obliquely continuing on the theme of what you can pick up from a list - one item that shouldn't be forwarded to the list is virus warnings. These should always be forwarded to the list maintainer in the first instance - if necessary, the message can be passed on to the list under a suitable title. Reason for the reminder - the "Budweiser frogs" hoax has resurfaced - for new members this hoax "virus warning" has been around since 1997. At the risk of boring the old hands, rules for anti virus protection: 1 invest in and use a reliable anti-virus package 2 keep it up to date (recommended minimum of monthly updates) Check the list archives for more on this subject - go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Enter the name of the list - in this case ButeshireGenWeb-L, then follow the prompts at the next screen, you will have to choose a year. ****** ****** ****** While not universal standards, the following have been suggested as useful guides to some of the place name prefixes to entries in the Scottish OPR's ... "at" - lodging/boarding there or servant/visitor "in" - residing there or minor tenant "of" - born there or main tenant Comments ? ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Hi all. I have quite a bit of info for those who requested lookups for the 1851 census. I'll reply off list as it is easier to give formatted material that way. As my nearest Family History Centre is about 4 hours drive away, it takes a bit of organising to get there so it may be a fortnight or so before I can complete work. Bill

Hi Bill, Thanks for the kind offer. I hope that you can find the time to find some information about my lot in Rothesay? Angus MURRAY (b 1787) married Sarah KING (b 1788) in 1810 no idea of death or number of children. I know of only one - below George MURRAY (b 1815, buried 27/7/1878) married a Jane Campbell in 1850 no idea of children except for one a Donald Campbell Murray my G- G-Grandad. I am looking for family groups, names, addresses occupations, birth district everything and anything you can manage, Thanks for any help you can give me. > After a considerable wait I have finally got hold of the Rothesay > 1851 census microfilm through the FHC. (Film 1042358) > > If anyone needs a look-up please let me know. > > Bill McKinlay Best Regards, Ian Murray Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire Part of the team writing.. ==================================================== http://www.2n2c.com - The UK Nursing and Patient Care Website ==================================================== A website for UK Professional Nurses and Carers

Hi Bill Thanks for your kind offer. I have two families from Rothesay at that time. There is a William Boag (coach proprietor) son of Hugh Boag (tailor Kingarth) and Elizabeth Scott (Plan) daughter of John Scott (farmer Plan Kingarth). Would you know what Plan is by any chance? Thanks again Cheers Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill McKinlay" <Bill.McK@xtra.co.nz> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: 1851 Census > Hi all. > > After a considerable wait I have finally got hold of the Rothesay 1851 census microfilm through the FHC. (Film 1042358) > > If anyone needs a look-up please let me know. > > > Bill McKinlay > > Bill.McK@xtra.co.nz >

This project covers Durham, Northumberland and Yorkshire genealogy ... -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, 9 February 2001 02:54 Subject: UK-NORTHEAST PROJECT >The reason I am writing to you, is in the hope that you can forward >this posting to your list members to inform them of the two new >features which we are in the process of setting up on our web site, >and of which will be of great interest to anyone research Genealogy. > >I understand that the NORTHEAST area (UK) may not be an area / >subject you cover on your list but many families were always >travelling around the world from one port to another and maybe >some members on your list may have links here. If we can help >one person from your list then this whole project would be well >worth the time and effort we are putting into it. > >The 2 new sections, which will come under the heading "INFORMATION >EXCHANGE" will have 2 sub categories:- > >(1) "FIND A FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER" This section is designed to help >both members of mailing lists and members of the public. >Messages will be posted in the hope of locating a family member >or friend who may either, once lived in the Northeast, or hold vital >information which would be useful to list members. The >difference with this section is that most mailing lists do not allow >its members to post messages about living people, although I >know many people that have found relatives, family members, >and lost cousin's they didn't know they had - through other sites >and after much time spent on different sites etc. > >(2) "LOOKING FOR GENEALOGY INFORMATION" section is designed to help >those people who don't have access to a computer but who are >interested in Genealogy and will be mostly done through the >media. This will help both them and the members of other >mailing lists that have an interest in the North East of England. >There will be a special fax and answer phone service >available. (-- Fax Number 07050 600 878 -- Answer >Phone 07050 600 877 where members of the public can >contact me and I will arrange for their message to be placed >in our special sections on our web site. > >Please feel free and visit our site, or, you may be interested in >joining our Site Ring to let other members know about your list. >Our web site address is located at:- http://uk-northeast.com > >We need your help & cooperation to get this project off to a good >start. Please forwarded it to your members. It will be much >appreciated. > >Thank you for your time >Stephen <stephen46@btinternet.com> > >

Dear Bill Well, you're a dream come true. This will test you and I won't be surprised if you can't help me. But here goes: Agnes Allan Lauder Laidlaw married David Eaglesham in Rothesay in 1907. He was from Ayr but she was a local, born c1882. Her Mum was Agnes Clunes. That's it. All the info I have. Are there any Laidlaws in Bute. Is it a Bute type name? I've seen Clunes written as Cluness. Good Luck to you and hence to me. Thank you for your offer. ----------------------------------------------- Regards Betty Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill McKinlay" <Bill.McK@xtra.co.nz> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 8 February 2001 5:10 PM Subject: 1851 Census > Hi all. > > After a considerable wait I have finally got hold of the Rothesay 1851 census microfilm through the FHC. (Film 1042358) > > If anyone needs a look-up please let me know. > > > Bill McKinlay > > Bill.McK@xtra.co.nz >

I am looking for information on John HAMILTON & Grace DAVIDSON from Arran, Buteshire. They had two children that I know of.....Grace b. 1809 & William b. 1811. Grace married Daniel FERGUSON, ships captain. Any connections? Kathy