Hello Folks, I've received new documents this week that I ordered from the GRO. Neil McKELVIE, the husband of Mary Miller McNEISH, was chr. 9 Dec.1830 Kildalton, Kilmory/Shiskine Parish, Arran, one of an apparent 10 children, the s/o William McKELVIE, farmer, and Mary CURRIE. Connections anyone? Neil McKELVIE was a mariner/seaman. He m Mary Miller McNEISH 19 May, 1856 in Lamlash, Kilbride. He was deceased before 1881 census at which time Mary was living in Glasgow with their children. I cannot find an index record for his death either in Arran, Bute or Glasgow, Lanark (or anywhere else for that matter). Does anyone have any information about his death? Learning what his trade was, I'm wondering if he might have died at sea in which case, I guess I'm probably out of luck. By 1891 census, Mary and the children, Neil b1858 Lamlash, Jessie N.C. bc1862 At Sea and Donald b1867 Lamlash, are back in Kilbride, Arran but, I lose the trail after that as I can find neither death nor marriage records in the index. Kind Regards, Pat McCabe Ontario, Canada

My thanks to Derrick, Bill and Peter for the great information about the Revenue/Preventive Service. It's really appreciated. Kind Regards, Pat

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10517 Surname: ------------------------- Peter, thanks for the note, wondering if you have any suggestions for searching for Margaret Bannatyne side of the family, it is my understanding that she was born on Arran, possibly Blackwaterfoote where all but one of her children were born. I am aware of cousins by name of Murchie on the Bannatyne side of the family, they emigrated to Canada at the same time as my grandmother, Flora. Sheryl

Please remember to send ALL mail for the list to ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com no matter whether you are subscribed to List or Digest mode, thanks -----Original Message----- From: John Brady <maureenandjohn@freenetname.co.uk> To: Peter Cook <cookfmly@bigpond.com> Date: Tuesday, 27 March 2001 03:05 Subject: Mary Black born in Buteshire > Hello I am new to this list. > >Has anyone came across Mary Keith born in Buteshire around 1840. >Her parents were John and Mary Keith. > >She married Donald Black in Lismore in 1863 and died there in 1918. > >Thanks > >Maureen > > >

Hello Everyone I've enjoyed 'lurking' on the List for a few weeks now and thought that I would post my interests. I've just sent the message below to the Isle of Bute Home Page so hopefully somebody, somewhere will be able to help me. Best Wishes from Ireland, Cyndy -------------------------------------- Our family have holidayed in Rothesay for generations but I was surprised to find a more concrete connection in the 1881 Census, one generation earlier than previously known. Peter GRAHAM (Pottery Manager in Glasgow) m Mary JAMIESON in Glasgow, c. 1856. In the 1881 Census, 3 of his children are living at their Glasgow address, but Peter, Mary and 3 other children are living at Burnbank Terrace, Rothesay, Bute. I think that Burnbank Terrace had only recently been built then. I'd love to hear from anyone with knowledge about the GRAHAM/JAMIESON families, or about the Burnbank Terrace area. Cyndy (Co Down, N Ireland) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Scotland/Bute/10515 Surname: MacLennan, MacKenzie, MacLeod, MacArthur, Morrison, Murchison, Smith, et al ------------------------- I'd like to invite you to view my large family tree at my personal web site, which also contains a few other trees offered from others on their family lines. Most of my tree consists of the following above surnames, most from Scotland and later emigrations to Canada, Australia and the US. The tree has a high concentration of dates from the 1400's to the 1800's. Unfortunately, the later years of the 1800's and all of the 1900's are not well exposed, as to be expected with the 100 year rule. In any case, give it a glance and maybe we have some connections somewhere. I would love to hear from you. P.S. -- Please don't think harsh of me, but I will not answer questions such as "I see you have the surname of Smith in your listed names here. Do you have a John Smith in your tree?". In other words, please look at the tree yourself before asking about specific people. Thank you. Link: Diane MacKenzie's Genealogy Web Pages URL: <http://members.home.net/dianemackenzie/index.htm>

Hi Brian, I don't know how many HAMILTON families were in Kilbride, but I am also researching that name there. I have a John HAMILTON who married Grace (Grizel) DAVI(D)SON Jun 22, 1798 at Airde, Isle of Arran. They had 4 children that I know of....Elizabeth b. 1799, John b. 1800, Grace b. 1809 & William b. 1811. Grace married Daniel (Donald?) Ferguson in 1833 Dundonald, Ayrshire. Daniel was apparently also from Buteshire (according to 1881 census). Do these names sound familiar to you or anyone else? Kathy Tolman Nashville, TN, USA Bran Dunn wrote: > > Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10514 > > Surname: Campbell, Hamilton, Stewart > ------------------------- > > Seeking to exchange information on sibs, parents, or descendants of: > > George CAMPBELL d: <1881 (Kilbride, Bute) > > Spouse: Elizabeth HAMILTON b: Nov. 9, 1829(Kilbride, Bute) > > Known Children: > > John CAMPBELL b: Feb 14, 1858 (Kilbride) d: <1901 - (South Africa)? > > Margaret Stewart CAMPBELL b: Apr.22,1863 (Klibride) > > >From OPR and IGI searches I believe ELizabeth's parents may have been: > > James HAMILTON (d:<1851 Kilbride) > Margaret STERWART (b: Abt 1797 Kilbride) > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Brian Dunn - Kamloops BC, Canada > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > The Buteshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/ > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10514 Surname: Campbell, Hamilton, Stewart ------------------------- Seeking to exchange information on sibs, parents, or descendants of: George CAMPBELL d: <1881 (Kilbride, Bute) Spouse: Elizabeth HAMILTON b: Nov. 9, 1829(Kilbride, Bute) Known Children: John CAMPBELL b: Feb 14, 1858 (Kilbride) d: <1901 - (South Africa)? Margaret Stewart CAMPBELL b: Apr.22,1863 (Klibride) From OPR and IGI searches I believe ELizabeth's parents may have been: James HAMILTON (d:<1851 Kilbride) Margaret STERWART (b: Abt 1797 Kilbride) Any help greatly appreciated. Brian Dunn - Kamloops BC, Canada

Pat, Try the following site for a bit of the history of the Revenue fleet. Chapter 3 uses the term "Preventive service" Bill http://www.cutter.swinternet.co.uk/Revenue%20Fleet%201.htm

Welcome to "GJim4Good" who has joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** All List members with email addresses ending with @home.com who have an interest in the topic "Sibbens etc" (an illness) will need to check the archives for a message with that subject dated 20/3 as it bounced due to your ISP being "not available". ****** ****** ****** Following on from Pat's enquiry re "Arran, Bute - Mariner - Preventive Service?" and the responses; from Volume 2 of the Book of Arran (originally published 1914 by the Arran Society of Glasgow and more recently reprinted) ... "An occupation, which by the close of the eighteenth century had grown to the proportions of a national industry, was the smuggling of dutiable articles; and in this business Arran, possessing many advantages from its insular character, had a good share." After a discourse on the liquor duties, It continues ... "Excise officers and revenue cutters were now familiar objects, and wits were constantly working to elude both." & it was not just liquor, nor trouble free ... "... not infrequently there was more serious business toward, as we here see: On Wednesday evening a young man was shot in a salt boat, between the Isles of Pladda and Arran, by a boat's crew belonging to Captain Dowie, of the 'Prince Augustus Frederick' Revenue Cutter. The crew of the smuggling boat having their oars opposed that of the Revenue's boat making a seizure of it. It is to be lamented that the poor people on the coast should persevere in a trade which by the laws of our country subjects their property to seizure, and exposes their lives to destruction if they make any opposition to the officers of Revenue -- There have of late years been several instances, where the lives of these unfortunate persons have been sacrificed when attempting a feeble resistance to preserve a few bolls of salt." {quote is from 'The Edinburgh Advertiser, October 1796, vol 66, No 3426} The conclusion to the chapter says it all of those times... "But this chapter would not contain all that is told of the sad, mad but exciting and profitable days, when up on the solitary moor by the burn side, the malt bubbled and the whisky trickled in to the handy kegs, and on dark, stormy nights from the creeks on the coast, muffled and mysterious boats shot out on another venturesome run to expectant customers along the Ayrshire coast; or when the gaugers in a sudden swoop upturned the innocent-looking straw heap or bedding to hunt for the offending liquor, countering the blows of angry men and of women more angry and desperate still." ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10512 Surname: McMillan, Fullarton, Davidson, Sillars ------------------------- I have information on McMillans from Lamlash, Fullartons from Glensherraig,Brodick (not Kilmichael!), Davidsons of Glensherraig and Glenrosa and the family of John Sillars,Lochranza mainly 19th Century.Some other surnames that cross-connect are Montgomerie,Murchie,Garvie and McGuffog with Sillars.Also Campbell,Moodie,Crawford, McNicol/Nicol and Kerr with McMillan. I would like to hear from anybody interested in the exchange of information.

I am a new member to this list living in Cupertino, California, USA. Cupertino is in the heart of Silicon Valley, the headquarters of Apple Computer and located about 50 miles south of San Francisco. I was a part time genealogist for 27 years and took early retirement in 1998 so I could spend full time at this "hobby." Last year I published two genealogical books, one on my father's family, GOOD, and the other on my mother's family KRIEGBAUM/CREEKPAUM. I am now applying more time to my paternal grandmother's family, GAILEY, which is of Scottish origin. I have traced GAILEY back to South Carolina to about the 1770 time period. Legend has it that three GAILEY brothers left the island of Bute about 1715 and moved to Northern Ireland. Later, one or more emigrated to America. I have not been able to find the name of the immigrant nor details about the family when they lived on Bute. Any information at all on GAILEY would be appreciated. I also am descended from at least two other Scottish families: GOOD and BANKHEAD. With regards, Jim Good

Pat, possibly the ancestor may have been a member of the Revenue Service. There was the Royal George stationed in Millport so there could have been boats in Arran, Ann

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10511 Surname: NICOL, MILLER, McNEISH ------------------------- From a newly received death record for Janet McNEISH nee NICOL, wife of Daniel McNEISH: Peter NICOL, Janet's father, husband of Mary MILLER, is described by occupation as a "Mariner (Preventive Service)" Can anyone tell me what that means exactly? Was it anything to do with preventing smuggling or...? Does anyone have any information regarding dates and parents of Peter NICOL and wife Mary MILLER? Regards, Pat

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10510 Surname: McBRIDE, ROBERTSON, McNEISH ------------------------- Matthew "Mathie" McBRIDE, Inn/Hotel Keeper, m 1819 Kilbride, Arran, Mary nee also McBRIDE. (With no proof that it's the same person, there was a Mary McBRIDE b 1800 Kilbride, the d/o a John McBRIDE and Mary ADAMS.) Looking for information re dates, parents, descendants of Matthew and Mary. (Mary McBRIDE, nee McBRIDE d after 1881) Three discovered children: Mary McBRIDE b1822 Kilbride, Isabella McBRIDE b1825 Kilbride and Janet McBRIDE b1834 Kilbride. Isabella McBRIDE b1825, m 1851 Lamlash, Kilbride, James ROBERTSON bc 1825 (parents unknown. James ROBERTSON was an Inn/Hotel Keeper). ROBERTSON Children, all born Kilbride Parish: Matthew b1852, Margaret b1854, James b1856, Mary b1858, William b1862, Caroline Isabella b1865, Jessie b1867, and Archibald Neil b1868. Janet McBRIDE b1834 Lamlash, Kilbride, d after 1881 Kilbride, m 1869 Kilbride, Archibald McNEISH b1833 Lamlash, d before 1881, s/o Daniel McNEISH and Janet NICOL/McNICOL. A son, Donald McNEISH b 1870 Lamlash, Kilbride. Regards, Pat

Following is the transcript of the council election for Rothesay 1833. Again a few names that may fit in with someones family. P.S. I didn't leave out the punctuation, there wasn't any. Brackets are mine as either difficult to read or explanation Bill ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ At Rothesay the fifth day of November in the year one thousand eight hundred and thirty three and within the Parochial schoolroom there Sederunt Charles MacKinlay Esquire Chief or Senior Resident Magistrate of the Burgh of Rothesay The qualified Electors having assembled in said room in terms of the Act 3 & 4 Gulielimo(?) 4 Cap 76 and John Gillies Town Clerk having read the Statute 2nd George II entitled “An Act for the more effectually preventing Bribery and Corruption in the Election of Members to serve in Parliament” the said Electors proceeded to Elect Seventeen Councillors for the said Burgh of Rothesay being the like number as by the set or usage of said Burgh Constitute the common Council of the said Burgh and each Elector respectively having declared his vote by openly giving in to the Town Clerk a signed list of the persons for whom he intended to vote and the said Charles MacKinlay Magistrate and John Gillies Town Clerk having publicly cast up the number of Votes declared that the Election fell by the Majority of Votes on the persons following vigt.(?) Chas MacKinlay(Signature) 1 Archibald McIndoe he having 175 votes 2 The Most Honourable the Marquis of Bute he having 173 votes 3 Charles MacKinlay he having 173 votes 4 John McKinlay he having 173 votes 5 John Muir he having 149 votes 6 Archibald Sharp he having 136 votes 7 James Duncan he having 132 votes 8 James Miller he having 129 votes 9 William Gillies he having 120 votes 10 Alexander Brown he having 119 votes 11 Archibald McKirdy he having 118 votes 12 Daniel Thompson he having 117 votes 13 Neil Jamieson he having 114 votes 14 Robert McKirdy he having 104 votes 15 Archibald McLea he having 104 votes 16 Neil McIntosh he having 101 votes 17 John McFie he having 88 votes Whereupon he the said Charles MacKinlay directed notice be given in writing to the several Councillors Elected of such their Election and calling upon them severally to appear in the Council Chambers Rothesay on Thursday the seventh day of November current at twelve oClock noon and declare whether they accept or decline accepting the office of Councillor. Chas MacKinlay(Signature)

This from Webster dictionary 1913 Sibbens (Page: 1336) Sib"bens (?), n. [Etymol. uncertain.] (Med.) A contagious disease, endemic in Scotland, resembling the yaws. It is marked by ulceration of the throat and nose and by pustules and soft fungous excrescences upon the surface of the body. In the Orkneys the name is applied to the itch. [Written also sivvens.] The following site which lists archaic names of diseases gives sivvens as endemic syphilis - a variant of the STD spread by poor hygene. http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/amt1.htm The following is the only reference I have come up with so far re. 'eight day sickness' It comes from the site given and I would say that the 'tetanus diagnosis' is spot on. "Apart from imported diseases the islanders were healthy except for 'eight-day sickness'. This killed eight out of every ten babies born but was considered to be God's will. In the 1890s it was discovered that the source of the disease was because the island midwife traditionally anointed the umbilicus with fulmar oil mixed with dung. The minister then had a battle persuading the islanders that God disapproved of this treatment." http://www.buyimage.co.uk/photonet/stkilda/stkildainfo.html Bill

Pity they don't mention the symptoms of Sibbins. The eight day sickness was probably Lockjaw (Tetanus). Acquired by unhygienic handling of the umbilical cord at birth. Hence the reference to the unskilfulness of the midwives. Mary H

Many thanks, Bill As usual you are a fund of information. Mary

Just an afterthought. It could have been typhoid that took out so many of one family. This nasty was endemic in the population as well at that time. Guess that death certs would give some clue Bill