No new members this week, but that's not surprising with the 'Badtrans' virus wreaking havoc on many lists, not only from those who have mistakenly opened the attachment, but also from those who haven't kept to the RootsWeb rules and confined posts on viruses to off list advice to List Administrators / Maintainers / Owners. At the risk of alienating long time list members, I reiterate that it is not possible to post an attachment to a RootsWeb list as they are stripped out at RootsWeb. The RootsWeb Digest does come as a series of attachments to some members (depends on your software) however ALL these messages have text only content. Thus there is no need to unsubscribe. If you do get an apparently genuine message with an attachment in answer to a post you make to a list , then check 1) that the sender has explained in their own words what the attachment is, 2) scan it with your AV software and 3) if still in doubt delete it without opening it. Notes: 1 Just to clear up my comments in my first post re 'corrupt" : If you mistakenly open a 'Badtrans' attachment, and it says the file couldn't be opened as it is corrupt, it is TOO late, your PC WILL be infected. If, on the other hand, your AV scan says the attachment is corrupt, then so long as you delete it unopened, all will be well. 2 To reduce the effects of such a virus should you be unfortunate enough to be infected in future, I suggest that you inspect your Address book and remove any non-essential addresses. If necessary copy them first to a plain text file for possible future reference. If your e-mail software has a setting which automatically puts a person's e-mail address in your address book when you reply to them, I also suggest you turn this option OFF. ****** ****** ****** Now we need some light relief - so here's a not so serious look at a similar sounding topic ... " GENEALOGIST'S POX " WARNING: Very contagious to adults. SYMPTOMS: Continual complaint as to need for names, dates, and places. Patient has a blank expression, sometimes deaf to spouse and children. Has no taste for work of any kind, except feverishly looking through records at libraries and courthouses. Has compulsion to write letters. Swears at mailman when he doesn't leave mail. Frequents places such as cemeteries; ruins; and remote, desolate country areas. Makes secret night calls, hides phone bills from spouse, and mumbles to self. Has a strange, faraway look in eyes. NO KNOWN CURE. TREATMENT: Medication is useless. Disease is not fatal, but gets progressively worse. Patient should attend genealogy workshops, subscribe to genealogical magazines, and be given a quiet corner in the house where he or she can be alone. REMARKS: The unusual nature of this disease is -- the sicker the patient gets, the more he or she enjoys it! --Author Unknown-- ****** ****** ****** Bill is NOT a subscriber, but this may be of interest ... -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dean Myatt <billdeanmyatt@eidosnet.co.uk> Date: Thursday, 19 April 2001 04:44 Subject: BELTONA RECORDS > >Between 1923-78 the Beltona record label issued over 3000 x 78rpm >records plus LPs and EPs. Most of these were by Scottish artists >and I am anxious to learn something about the lives of these people. >Visit my web site at www.beltonaproject.co.uk where you will find >a full list of all artist names listed under their performance mode. >Maybe one of your ancestors made gramophone records, and maybe >I can help you with information? > NB as this is part of my normal Sunday posting, please make sure you cut and paste Bill's e-mail address given above if you need to correspond with him, or use the 'Contact Me' link on his web site. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Bill, The following from Ancestral Trails, by Mark Herber, would seem to suggest that daughters did inherit property if there were no sons. Unfortunately it doesn't take it as far as the children of daughters. Hopefully you will have more helpful replies than this. Meanwhile, this is what Mark Herber says: "Scottish law provided, until 1868, that any real property (land and buildings) should descend to the eldest son or, if there was no son, to any daughters equally, then to the surviving spouse. Therefore, until 1868, only moveable property (such as money, furniture or livestock) could be the subject of a testimentary disposition. From 1868 all property could be devised or bequeathed ..." Madeleine In a message dated 4/21/01 6:46:24 PM GMT Daylight Time, Bill.McK@xtra.co.nz writes: << The situation I have is this. John (1) purchases a property in 1750, marries and has 3 daughters. John(2) his nephew inherits the property as "nearest and lawful heir" some 70 years later.(this wording from the sasine minute books) John (2) was the youngest son of a younger brother of John(1) The questions raised are; did daughters stand to inherit property if there were no sons and/or would John (2) have had to survive both them, their offspring (if any) and his older brothers who were also, presumably, childless/sonless in order to inherit? >>

Do we by any chance have anyone out there knowlegeable on old Scottish property law or know of any good reference books? The situation I have is this. John (1) purchases a property in 1750, marries and has 3 daughters. John(2) his nephew inherits the property as "nearest and lawful heir" some 70 years later.(this wording from the sasine minute books) John (2) was the youngest son of a younger brother of John(1) The questions raised are; did daughters stand to inherit property if there were no sons and/or would John (2) have had to survive both them, their offspring (if any) and his older brothers who were also, presumably, childless/sonless in order to inherit? Suggestions welcome Bill.

Hi Betty, Two only Laidlaw's listed for Rothesay. 1. Sarah G Laidlaw of Dumfries died here 22.6.1854 2. Robert McKinlay died Ibrox Terrace Glasgow 15.11.1869 (aged) 50 by wife Jane Laidlaw died here 19.9.1911 (aged) 87 None that I can find of either name in any of the Bute, Arran or Cumbrae islands which tends to suggest that there was not a long link to the islands. That said however, there are a couple of possibilities. In the notes of the book, one of the references quoted are the papers of the Rev. Arch McLea who list one of the school teachers in 1812 as a Thomas Laidlay (probably a misspelling in the book) The other, I think you already have from the 1851 census at Mount Pleasant house. There is a Margret Agnes Laidlaw born in 1837 in the IGI records that fits - well almost - with the 12 year old in the census. Sorry I can't help more. Bill

I also would be interested in the census information as below. Cheers Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy McBey" <cmcbey@pnc.com.au> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:47 AM Subject: Rothesay please. > Hi All, > > I have three requests. > > Firstly, does anyone have the transcriptions of the Rothesay Burial Ground? > I have a few ancestors buried there and would be keen to find if there are > headstones - or at least find out the grave numbers. > Margaret WILSON, d 14 June 1857 aged 42 years > Charterina CAMPBELL, d 11 August 1857 aged 3 months > Ann WILSON, d 23 March 1859 aged 77 years. > > Secondly, does 28 East Princes Street, Rothesay still exist? The 3 people > listed above all dies there so I presume it was their family home. > > And, thirdly, does anyone have the Census records for 1841 (or 1851) for > this address please? > > Any replies and/or suggestions greatly appreciated. > > Cathy, > Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia. > > ______________________________

Hello All, I'm trying to make some sense out of the various McBRIDE connections that have recently begun appearing. The most recent this week is yet another McBRIDE/ROBERTSON link. Does anyone recognize these couples and know anything more about who else in their families married whom and how these McBRIDE folks relate back to each other? They seem to be terribly tangled and more by the same surname keep popping up before I have the first ones straightened out. William ROBERTSON (no information) m 1817 Kilbride, Arran, Margaret McBRIDE (no information) having, all born Kilbride, Arran: Charles b1819, John b1821, James bc1823, Janet b1825 and William b1830. Janet ROBERTSON b1825 may have m (unproven info) 1846 Kilbride, William McKELVIE (no info) having a son William McKELVIE b1855 James ROBERTSON bc1823 Lamlash, Kilbride, d 1882 Undercliff, Kilbride, m 1851 Lamlash, Kilbride, Isabella McBRIDE b1825 Lamlash, d/o Matthew McBRIDE b?, d bef. Nov.1869 and Mary also nee McBRIDE b1800, d aft.1881. Kind Regards, Pat

I am leaving the list temporarily as I am travelling to the USA to visit the newest leaf on our tree, my newborn grand-daughter Amaya Wendy Morton Christchurch, NZ

Cathy, Sorry but none of the three names you enquired about show up in Alison Mitchell's Bute and Arran Monumental Inscriptions pre 1855. (I know that they post date 1855 but at least half the MI's in the book do as well.) Were the Wilsons maiden names? This doesn't mean they aren't there, most of my family are missing from the book although I have photos to say otherwise. Bill

Jennie Tuohey <hallofnamesflorida@prodigy.net> appears to have been struck by the virus I mentioned in my recent post, as a post with her address has been bounced to me due to the attachment !!. I have taken the precaution of unsubscribing her until she has overcome the problem. Haste ye back Peter

Hi All, I have three requests. Firstly, does anyone have the transcriptions of the Rothesay Burial Ground? I have a few ancestors buried there and would be keen to find if there are headstones - or at least find out the grave numbers. Margaret WILSON, d 14 June 1857 aged 42 years Charterina CAMPBELL, d 11 August 1857 aged 3 months Ann WILSON, d 23 March 1859 aged 77 years. Secondly, does 28 East Princes Street, Rothesay still exist? The 3 people listed above all dies there so I presume it was their family home. And, thirdly, does anyone have the Census records for 1841 (or 1851) for this address please? Any replies and/or suggestions greatly appreciated. Cathy, Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia.

Yet again a major virus / worm is doing the rounds. Firstly a reassurance that you will NOT receive attachments via any RootsWeb based list. The latest has a few lines of an old message that has been received from you directly or indirectly (ie from a mailing list) by the infected machine, and is usually followed by the softener/bait "Take a look at the attachment" As genealogists, we often ask for information on a specific topic, so this virus has caught out a number of new researchers, as well as some old hands - as always all replies with attachments need to be looked at VERY carefully. I had a copy myself last week with the softener in the Subject line as well !. Needless to say, as the sender was a) unknown to me, and more importantly b) there was no explanation as to the content of the attachment in the message, I immediately deleted it and emptied the deleted items folder as well for good measure. What it comes down to is - practice safe E-mail habits :- DO NOT open attachments, no matter how enticing, without checking them with an up to date anti-virus program. If in doubt - delete. Some of this latest crop will be identified as "corrupt" by some AV program's - take that as being an aptly named warning - open it and that's what it will do to your PC. Take it also as a warning that you need to update your AV program - the version being run in this case has identified that something is amiss, but is not up to date enough to clearly identify the specific problem. Finally, a reminder : please NO messages to the list on virus warnings, as always send details to me first off list - I will announce relevant details, as in this case. regards Peter Cook List maintainer and co-host with Barbara <babrown@fast.net> of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Welcome to SUZAN MONTANO-FELTON who has joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** For those of the Christian persuasion, a Happy Easter, to the rest may your god / deity go with you. ****** ****** ****** As it's a holiday weekend most places, here's some reading material for you ... Taken from an insert in the facsimile edition of John Burrel's Arran Diary, it's the standard Farm lease form used at the beginning of the 19th century on Arran (including the ƒ's for s's as printed) ... "(blank) Do hereby become bound to pay to his Grace Archibald Duke of HAMILTON and BRANDON, to his heirs, or to their Factor in ARRAN, the ƒum of (blank) for the farm of (blank) in the Pariƒh of (blank) (blank) and Iƒland of Arran, as it is at preƒent marched and bounded, on condition that I ƒhall be allowed to occupy and poƒƒeƒs the ƒaid Farm for one year, from and after the term of Martinmas next to come, in this present year of Eighteen hundred and (blank) until the term of Martinmas thereafter, One Thouƒand Eight Hundred and (blank) the said rent to be paid half yearly at the terms of Whitsunday and Martinmas for the crop and year One Thouƒand Eight Hundred and (blank) and that over and above the yearly rent mentioned for the ƒaid Farm, ƒhall alƒo pay all public burdens impoƒed, or to be impoƒed on the ƒaid lands, during the currency of the ƒaid year, and ƒhall pay the like ƒum or yearly rent, and public burdens, as aforeƒaid, for every year after the term of Martinmas Eighteen Hundred and (blank) years, that His Grace, and his foreƒaids, ƒhall allow me to continue to occupy and poƒƒeƒs the ƒaid Farm, and that (blank) ƒhall when required, perform(blank) (blank) proportion of public ƒervices for building and keeping in repair, the ƒerveral Kirks, Manƒes, School Houƒes, Mills, Mill-Dams, and others of a public nature; and alƒo carry the whole grindable corn growing on the ƒaid Farm (ƒeed and horƒe corn excepted) to the Duke's mill of (blank) to be there manufactured, and to pay to the Miller or Occupant of the ƒaid Mill, at the rate of (blank) of Multure for every (blank) manufactured, and alƒo, ƒhall, at the expiry of the ƒaid year, or at the expiry of any year thereafter, when (blank) quit the ƒaid Farm, leave the Houƒes and Offices in the ƒaid Farm, in a ƒufficient and tenable condition, and ƒhall not keep more horƒes,ƒheep, or black cattle, than his Grace, or his Factor, ƒhall deem the ƒaid Farm capable of maintaining through Summer and Winter; and ƒhall not cut any feal, (blank) or divets upon paƒture land of the ƒaidFarm, within the head dyke. And (blank) further bind (blank) (blank) to obtemper and fulfil, all other rules and regulations laid down by his Grace, and his Factor, for managing His Grace's eƒtate in Arran. Air,printed by J. & P. Wilson, 1803." ===== ===== ===== The above is the second page of a folded insert, the first is a partially completed form, where the changes have all been entered in a rough copperplate script. It begins ... "We John and Duncan Clerk Do hereby become bound to pay to his Grace Archibald Duke of HAMILTON and BRANDON, to his heirs, or to their Factor in ARRAN, the ƒum of Ninety three Pounds Stirling for the farm of High Glencloy in the Pariƒh of Kilbride ------- and Iƒland of Arran, as it is at preƒent marched and bounded, on nine} condition that I ƒhall be allowed to occupy and poƒƒeƒs the ƒaid Farm for --- years, from and after the term of Martinmas next to come, in this present year of Eighteen hundred and five until the term of Martinmas ----------, One Thouƒand Eight Hundred and fourteen the said rent to be paid half yearly at the terms of Whitsunday and Martinmas for the crops and years --------------------------------------- and that over and above the yearly rent mentioned for the ƒaid Farm, ƒhall alƒo pay all public burdens impoƒed, or to be impoƒed on the ƒaid lands, during the currency of the ƒaid year, and ƒhall pay the like ƒum or yearly rent, and public burdens, as aforeƒaid, for every year after the term of Martinmas Eighteen Hundred and 5" ===== ===== ===== Burrel's Diary covers the period 1766 to 1782, so these papers must have been inserted by a successor - they are inserted at the entries for 12th & 13th March 1770. Presumably in the days before carbon paper both copies were completed by hand - one going to the tenant, the other retained by the Factor. I wonder how long the Factor searched for this partially completed document, before giving up and starting to write out a new pair of forms ? ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10526 Surname: Murchie, Cook ------------------------- My wife's line doesn't seem to include these folks, but we may be able to assist each other. I have John Murphie/Murchie born c 1750 who married Mary Cook 4 Mar 1778 in Kilmory Parish. I've identified 11 children although not an Archibald. I'd like to share family group information on both Cook and Murchie to work out the relationships. Regards, Jim Duggan Cary, NC USA

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10525 Surname: Murchie, McGregor, Sillars ------------------------- My wife's Murchie line includes Catherine Sillars, b 26 Dec 1792 and married to Donald McGregor. Their daughter Catherine McGregor married Ebenezer Murchie, 21 April 1857. All seem to be from Kilmory. I'm happy to share and compare info on these lines. Regards, Jim Duggan Cary, NC (USA)

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10524 Surname: COOK, MURCHIE, KERR, HAMILTON ------------------------- Peter Cook b. 1765, married Mary Hamilton, Island of Arran. They had a son Duncan Cook b. 1785 Kilmory Parish, Island of Arran d. 3-3-1855, buried at Crosbie Churchyard, which I believe is in Dundonald Parish. Duncan married Mary Kerr in Kilmory,3-7-1815. Their children were as follows: Elizabeth-b. 1816 Mary-b. 1817 Peter-b. 1819 Daniel- b. 1823, This is my direct link. John-b. 1825 Duncan-b. 1827 Elizabeth-b. 1830 George-b. 1832 James-b. 1835. Margaret Murchie b. 1830, Kilmory Parish. 1 of 10 children borne to Archibald Murphie and Janet Hamilton. Archibald was borne 8-26-1780 in Kilmory Parish, married Janet Hamilton 3-3 1812. I believe Janet Hamilton is the daughter of John Hamilton and Catherine Jamieson. I Would be greatful for any information on the above persons.

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10522 Surname: Calders ------------------------- Researching Calders in Olrig/ Wick/ Dunnet/ Lyngar/areas 1705 - present time

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Scotland/Bute/10521 Surname: Hamilton, Davison, Ferguson ------------------------- I have a John HAMILTON who married Grizel (Grace) DAVISON June 22 1798 at Airde. They had Elizabeth b. Feb 1799, John b. Oct 1800, Grace b. Sep 1809 & William b. Nov 1811 all at Kilbride Parish. Grace married Daniel FERGUSON Feb 12, 1833 Dundonald, Ayr. I believe (based on census records) that Daniel was also born in Bute. I have not been able to locate a birth record for him as of yet. There is a Donald FERGUSON born about the right time (abt 1797). I have been told the Daniel was used sometimes for Donald.

The "Flit" is usually associated with Moonlight Flit; Leaving at night leaving debts. ----------------------------------------------- Regards Betty Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: <MSl29@aol.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 8 April 2001 6:47 PM Subject: Re: Flyting > Thanks, Bill, for the explanation of flyting. Foolish of me not to think of > looking it up in the dictionary! I should say too that I have been reminded > that in Scottish use the term flit means simply to change abode, not > necessarily stealthily. > Madeleine > > In a message dated 4/7/01 9:44:15 PM GMT Daylight Time, Bill.McK@xtra.co.nz > writes: > > << I believe in this context it was verbal abuse or an exchange of > insults. My dictionary actually says in verse but I think it may have > had a wider usage in the past. Comes from flyte - to quarrel. > > The kirk sessions sound like a fascinating read. > > Bill. >> >

Many thanks to everyone for the help with flyting and flitting. While there appears to have been a fair bit of flyting going on in 17th century Kingarth (not to mention other perceived failings) it wasn't all transgression and rebuke. From the same paper for example : "The funds at the Session's disposal were not large, consisting for the most part of collections in church and the fines imposed which they were able to collect. The collection was given to the poor of the parish, and there are many distributions recorded. "7 March 1641. The collection this day extends to 6s 8d which by direction of the Session is giffen to a poor woman called N'Ilchomie. Done. "Other instances are:- "1666. 10s to John Campbel 'broken by sea' "1674. Ane s. sterling given to Mary Frisel ' a young lass of a strange disease'. "1675. 3s for the winding sheet to put on Michael M'Ilmichel. "1675. 8s Scots to John Brown, a stranger beggar with a tree leg "18s scots to Mathew Campbel 'quho had his house brunt'." etc etc All from the paper in the Transactions of the Buteshire Natural History Society 1939 by the Rev W T Smellie. I have been asked where the kirk session minutes are available. I know that the National Archives of Scotland, in Edinburgh, has the original Kingarth kirk session minutes from 1648, I think, up until at least 1894 (let the archives know in advance if you want to consult them as they may have to come out of storage). The minutes were also published privately by the Marquis of Bute. Does anyone know if they have been filmed by the LDS church? Madeleine

Running a bit late today, but never-the-less, welcome to Graham Noble, Colin Halliday, Jennie Tuohey and Philip Bennett who have joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Some useful new links ... -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Zipfel <nate@gte.net> To: SCOTLAND-CC-L@rootsweb.com <SCOTLAND-CC-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, 25 March 2001 08:53 Subject: [SCOTLAND-CC-L] Resources >Hi all, > >here's a couple of resources that you may or may not know about > >http://www.scotlandsclans.com/cemeteries.htm >On-line cemetery records from several counties. > >http://www.scotlandsclans.com/census.htm >on-line census records > >http://www.scotlandsclans.com/genscot.htm >some interesting links worth exploring > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/%7Edfsgal/ >Churches and Graveyards in Dumfries and >Galloway (some great pictures of old churches) > >Enjoy... > >Nate ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.