In a message dated 5/16/01 1:13:43 PM GMT Daylight Time, steve@hts.com.au writes: > I have found out some more details & dates regarding my Farmer > Ancestors from Bute. > > William Farmer was born in 1834 at Isle of Bute, Lanarkshire. > > Father John Farmer, occupation Cotton Spinner > > Mother Agnes Farmer nee Glover. > > Immigration records state that in 1855 John and Agnes reside at > Rothsay, Isle of Bute. > I looked at my fiche index for 1851 census for Bute. There was a Agnes Farmer aged 34 in Rothesay in book T15 page 17 a Henry Farmer aged 12 in Kilmory (Arran) book 04 page 11 and then an Agnes Glover aged 52 and next to her a Jean Farmer aged 25 (neither of them were born in Buteshire) in Rothesay on book T15 page 16. The fiche does not delineate households ...... you need to look at the original entries. But it may be your John Farmer was dead by 1851 and William was somewhere else. There is no MI for Farmer in the Buteshire MIs book. Irene

Hello all, I am researching the Farmer surname and have traced back to a William & Christina Farmer who arrived in Australia on the ship "Nabob" in 1855. Christinas' maiden name is Dunn and her parents William and Jeanette were onboard as well. His occupation is listed as miner and "Native Place and County" as Blantyre, Lanarkshire. Her "Native Place and County" is listed as St Georges, Lanarkshire. They also brought their son William aged 1 and his "Native Place and County" is listed as St Georges, Lanarkshire as well. Hiss parents are listed as John and Agnes, residing in Rothsay, Isle of Bute. Also if anyone has any info regarding Farmers in Roth(e)say or Blantyre I would be very interested. Regards from down under Steve Farmer -- --------------------------------------------------- Heads Together Systems Pty Ltd PO Box 2103 Dee Why, NSW, 2099 Sydney, Australia 1970 Type 3 Squareback (Restoring) Net: steve@hts.com.au Tel: 612 9982 6767 Fax: 612 9981 3081 Visit our Web Site at http://www.hts.com.au/html/vw.html Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

Hi Graham You opened ... >A couple of comments on your lists of last week. I am replying via the mailing list, as the points you raise re the Strays list and on mail formats will be of interest to some if not all list members. Your comments below re recording of country only rather than full birthplace in the census, would I think be echoed by just about every genealogist/family historian on terra firma. I understand that the current UK 2001 census does not require this detail. :-( >It was unfortunate that each country did not mandate a >birthplace entry for those born elsewhere but I guess we >should be grateful for those who volunteered this >information and the enumerators who entered same. The >significance of this omission becomes apparent when >one looks at the census from Canada (for example) for >the same year and sees pages of entries reading simply >'Scotland', 'Ireland', 'England' when these make up 75% >of the entries. As to ... >I don't know whether you have the Bute strays in England and Wales >scanned but I am looking for all the 'Rothesay' entries for my >reference files (were there none for Kingarth or North Bute?). My search string comprises all parishes in 'Buteshire' - if there had been any 'North Bute' entries, these would have been caught by the generic 'Bute' part of the search. As to 'Rothesay' , I used "roth*s?y' for those, any advice on a better search string would be appreciated. You went on to say ... >You should be aware that there are a staggering 3 097 >(by my count) Bute strays within Scotland for 1881. Currently I have a total of over 3500 extractions, of which I have indexed just under 1400 so far. Of this indexed total, there are less than 30 which cannot be assigned to at least one of the three islands (counting the Cumbraes as one). Of this interim total 750+ are Arran, 390+ are Bute and the rest ~150 are Cumbrae. For the Bute Island count above, I am including 'Bute, Bute' entries. There are 30+ Kingarth entries and about 10 for North Bute. These low proportions versus the total also help to explain why there were no entries for these specific parishes in the England / Wales list, which after all had only 238 entries. Some apparently Arran entries for Kilmory and Kilbride parishes may in fact be for the places with the same name on Bute - in some cases the surname could determine the location. For this reason, I intend to release the Scottish part of the Bute Strays list split alphabetically on surname, irrespective of location. Because of the format, it should be possible for any reader to cut and paste the individual parts of the list into a .csv file, combine them then open it with Excel (or equivalent) and sort it anyway they like. In reference to your query on mail formats ... >I also wanted to ask you about the text printing on the list. >I was somewhat (read 'very') perturbed to see my work >printed out in a broadside format which is a complete >waste of the effort put into this. I presume here, that you are talking about your recent post re CRAWFORD & ARDNAHOE ? This is definitely a function of the mail program that you are using. If it does NOT physically terminate the lines on a word boundary after a preset number of characters, then it will appear as one continuous line in the list mail. RootsWeb does not alter the posted item in anyway format wise. >Keep up the good work; the Bute list is certainly among >the very best in terms of quality, content and cohesiveness >that I have seen. Thank you kindly Peter

Welcome to Terry Connor and George F. Sanborn Jr. who have joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** My younger daughter sent this to her mother for 'Mother's Day' , so for all mum's on the list, enjoy ... Sound of Music with a Twist ******************************* A FEW OF MY FAVORITE THINGS: Maalox and nose drops and needles for knitting', Walkers and handrails and new dental fittin's, Bundles of magazines tied up with string, These are a few of my favorite things. Cadillacs, cataracts, hearing aids, glasses, Polident, Fixodent, false teeth in glasses, Pacemakers, golf carts and porches with swings, These are a few of my favorite things. When the pipes leak, When the bones creak, When the knees go bad, Well, then I remember my favorite things And then I don't feel so bad. Hot tea and crumpets, and corn pads for bunions, No spicy hot food nor no food cook with onions, Bathrobes and heat pads and hot meals they bring, These are a few of my favorite things. Back pains, confused brains, and no fear of sinnin', Thin bones and fractures and hair that is thinnin'. And we won't mention our short shrunken frames When we remember our favorite things. When the joints ache, when the hips break, When the eyes grow dim, Then I remember the great life I've had, And then I don't feel so bad. THEN I REMEMBER THE GREAT LIFE I'VE HAD AND THEN I DON'T FEEL SOOOO BAAAAD. ========================================= In past times, (that is, in the time before commercialised "Day"s) Mothering Sunday would have been the day when our ancestors 'celebrated' their mother's achievements. A long thread on large families on another list to which I subscribe, suggests one main achievement was survival. How often on searching, particularly the census, do you come to the conclusion that you are in fact looking at a second wife? ****** ****** ****** I have sent a separate message in relation to progress on the Strays, but would like to publicly thank Ruth Broad for passing on her database from which the January 2000 lists were derived. It has made checking my data a lot easier. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

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Hello Madeline, I found another family too: Head: STEWART, John John STEWART Head M 31 M Traveling Tea Dealer Isle Of Arran-Scotland Mary STEWART Wife M 33 F --- ----Scotland Perthshire William HUGHAM Lodg M 53 M Messenger & Labourer ----Scotland Address: Distillery Street, Norwich Cheers, Ruth Adelaide, South Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <MSl29@aol.com> > I found just one family: Archebald FULLERTON, aged 41, a Boatman Coast Guard, > born Kilbride, Arran, and his wife Margaret, 41, born Islay, were living at > Trimingham, Erpingham, Norfolk, with children Alexander, Archebald and John > (all born Kilbride, Arran) and Adam, James and Cheallottes (all born Norfolk).

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10532 Surname: Mcmillan, Kerr, Mckillop, Fullerton ------------------------- Neil, My ggg grandfather Neil Mcmillan and his wife Catherine Kerr came from South Sannox near High Corrie. They came to Canada in 1829 due to the Arran Clearances. Heather

Hi Ruth, Thanks for that. Just when I thought I had mastered the technology ... ! Perhaps there are other families lurking too. Madeleine In a message dated 5/7/01 10:20:05 AM GMT Daylight Time, mbroad@cobweb.com.au writes: << Hello Madeline, I found another family too: Head: STEWART, John John STEWART Head M 31 M Traveling Tea Dealer Isle Of Arran-Scotland Mary STEWART Wife M 33 F --- ----Scotland Perthshire William HUGHAM Lodg M 53 M Messenger & Labourer ----Scotland Address: Distillery Street, Norwich >>

No new members, however if you have recently joined and haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Some Buteshire strays from the 1881 Census, living 'south of the border' That is England, Wales, Channel Islands or Isle of Man ... There are only 238 in all, but obviously does not include those who simply put born Scotland ! 1 Arran born : Surname,Forename,Living at,Status,Age BYROM,Monica,Liverpool Lancashire,U,25 CALVERT,Agnes,Tranmere Cheshire,M,37 CALVERT,Thomas,Tranmere Cheshire,M,43 CAMPBELL,William,Cardiff Wales,U,28 COATES,Andrew C.,Islington Middlesex,U,23 CONNELL,Agnes,Wallsend Northumberland,U,17 CONNELL,Alexander,Wallsend Northumberland,U,28 CONNELL,Matthew,Wallsend Northumberland,U,24 CONNELL,William,Wallsend Northumberland,U,26 COOK,Alexander,Mile End Old Town Middlesex,U,22 CRAWFORD,Hugh,Everton Lancashire,M,45 DANSON,Jane E.,Broughton in Salford Lancashire,M,36 DICKIE,Isabella,Heaton Norris Lancashire,M,64 DOUGLAS,Archiebald,Toxteth Park Lancashire,M,55 DUDLEY,Thomas,Wharton with Lindeth Lancashire,U,10 FERRIER,Lawrence,Malew Isle of Man,U,10 GLEDHILL,Mary,Lea Ashton Ingol & Cottam Lancashire,M,54 GRINROD,Mary A.,Spotland Lancashire,U,20 GURDIE,William,Liverpool Lancashire,M,35 HENDY,Charles,Swansea Wales,M,39 HILAS,Donald,Swansea Wales,U,23 HUGHES,David,Cardiff Wales,U,15 HUTCHINSON,Elizabeth F.,St George Hanover Sq Middlesex,M,44 JEFFREYS,A. Craig,Royal Navy At sea or in a foreign port,M,37 KELSO,Archibald,Middlesbrough Yorkshire,M,44 KERR,Alexander,Milford Haven Wales,U,37 KERR,James,Middlesbrough Yorkshire,U,21 KERR,John,Wallasey Cheshire,M,48 KERR,Malcolm,Milford Haven Wales,M,29 KERR,Malcolm,Middlesbrough Yorkshire,U,25 LAWSON,William,Chatham Kent,M,54 Mc ALLISTER,Alexander,Lychett Minster Dorset,M,56 Mc ALLISTER,Annie,Lychett Minster Dorset,M,46 Mc ALLISTER,Sarah,St Ippollitts Hertford,U,41 Mc LARTY,Margaret,St Albans St Peter Hertford,U,42 Mc MILLAN,Arche,Milford Haven Wales,U,30 Mc MILLAN,John,Milford Haven Wales,M,37 Mc QUEEN,Jas.,Waldridge Durham,M,42 McCALLUM,John,Scunthorpe Lincoln,U,29 McKELVIE,John,Milford Haven Wales,M,38 MORRISON,Robert,Liverpool Lancashire,M,38 NICHOLL,Mary G.F.,Birkenhead Cheshire,U,25 PIKE,Isabella,St Albans St Peter Hertford,M,46 PRINGLE,Ann,Doxford Northumberland,M,27 RORNE,James,Toxteth Park Lancashire,M,58 SNOWDON,Isabella,Shepley Yorkshire,M,29 STUART,Alex,Cardiff Wales,M,40 TENNANT,Mary,Over Cheshire,M,35 WALES,John Douglas,Higher Bebington Cheshire,M,32 2 Millport (Cumbrae) born: Surname,Forename,Living at,Status,Age HUISH,Janet,Northowran Yorkshire,U,20 LUSK,Ann,Manningham Yorkshire,U,33 Mc ALLISTER,Archd.,Lezayre Isle of Man,M,55 Mc DERMATT,Archibald,West Ham Essex,U,2 Mc DERMATT,Margaret,West Ham Essex,U,4 Mc NELLEDGE,Marianne,Liverpool Lancashire,U,46 MUNRO,Anne,Sunbury Middlesex,U,13 NICOL,Maggie,Liverpool Lancashire,U,32 3) Rothesay born: Surname,Forename,Living at,Status,Age ALLEN,Mary M.,Westoe Durham,U,8 ANDERSON,Hugh,Byker Northumberland,M,61 ATTEAWOOD,Catherine E.,St George Hanover Sq Middlesex,U,14 ATTEAWOOD,Emily T.,St George Hanover Sq Middlesex,U,21 BACON,Elizabeth M.,Clapham Surrey,U,17 BAIN,William,Penge Surrey,U,4 BANNATYNE,Peter,St Gerge Martyr Middlesex,M,68 BANNERMAN,Jessie,Tormoham Devon,M,52 BARRITT,William,Liverpool Lancashire,M,48 BAXTER,Sarah,Hampstead Middlesex,M,67 BAYLISS,Janet,Naunton Gloucestershire,M,51 BEBINGTON,Isabella,Walton On Hill Lancashire,M,22 BIRD,Isabella,Halifax Yorkshire,M,50 BROWN,Alex. The.,Toxteth Park Lancashire,U,24 CAMPBELL,Daniel,Botchergate Cumberland,U,26 CAUSLAND,George,Chorlton On Medlock Lancashire,M,38 CRABB,Ernest,Monkwearmouth Shore Durham,U,6 CRAWFORD,Alice,St George Hanover Sq Middlesex,M,57 CRAWFORD,Cathe.,Southwark St Saviour Surrey,M,38 CRAWFORD,Robert,Falmouth Cornwall,U,21 CURREY,Peter,Portsea Hampshire,W,50 DERBY,William,Swindon Wiltshire,M,38 DODGSON,Mary Ann,Byker Northumberland,M,36 DUNCAN,James,Millbrook Hampshire,M,57 DUNCAN,John,Kirkdale Lancashire,M,65 ECK,Mary Stuart,Higher Bebington Cheshire,W,48 ELDER,David,Kirkdale Lancashire,M,26 FAIRLEY,John,Heston Middlesex,M,51 GALLACHER,John K.,Bromley Middlesex,M,29 GIBB,Isabella,Walton On Hill Lancashire,W,49 GOOD,Jane,Kirkdale Lancashire,M,23 GRAHAM,Elizabeth,Liverpool Lancashire,M,40 HAINES,Hannah,Heston Middlesex,W,65 HICKS,George,Knutsford Nether Cheshire,M,36 HICKS,John Sileby,West Derby Lancashire,M,41 HODGES,Jane,Everton Lancashire,M,30 HUGHES,Mary Eleanor,Bristol Gloucestershire,U,15 HUSSEY,Frederick,Westbury on Trym Gloucestershire,U,23 IRVINE,Charles A.L.,Lambeth Surrey,U,5 JACKSON,Isabella,Liverpool Lancashire,M,35 JACKSON,John,Liverpool Lancashire,M,35 JACKSON,Margaret A.,Bromley Kent,M,40 JACKSON,Matilda,Liverpool Lancashire,U,22 JAMIESON,William,Poplar Middlesex,U,19 JOHNSTON,Annie,Kingsclere Hampshire,U,43 JONES,Ann,Hackney Middlesex,W,81 KANDRISH,Elizabeth F.,Edgebaston Warwickshire,U,25 KELLY,John,Liverpool Lancashire,M,30 KELLY,Mary C.,Kidderminster Borough Worcestershire,W,59 LANG,Maggie D.H.,Clerkenwell Middlesex,M,23 LANG,Margaret,Bromley,Middlesex,M,40 LEONARD,Agnes,Kirkdale Lancashire,M,21 LIVINGSTONE,Daniel,Westminster St Margaret Middlesex,U,24 LODDER,J.M.D,Deptford St Paul Kent,U,15 LODDER,William P.,Royal Navy At sea or in a foreign port,U,17 LUTCH,Neil,Kingston upon Hull Yorkshire,M,65 MABOU,John,Broughton in Salford Lancashire,M,53 MacLEAN,John,St Clement Cornwall,M,56 MATHIAS,Blanche,Litherland Lancashire,U,21 MATHIAS,Herman,Litherland Lancashire,M,54 Mc ADAM,Alexander,Darlington Durham,U,19 Mc CALLUM,John,Winlaton Durham,M,46 Mc LACHLAW,Archd.,Royal Navy At sea or in a foreign port,U,23 Mc LEAD,John,Woolwich Kent,M,37 Mc NEIL,John,Grays Thurrock Essex,M,49 Mc QUEEN,Katey,Southwark Christchurch Surrey,U,3 MITCHELL,Andrew,St Pancras Middlesex,W,83 MITCHELL,Janet,Sedgley Staffordshire,W,86 MORRISON,Alex,Cheetham Lancashire,U,36 MURDOCH,Elizabeth D.,Beddington Surrey,M,56 NORTH,Annie,Heckmondwike Yorkshire,M,29 PILLING,Annie Eliza,Castleton Lancashire,M,37 POTTS,John,North Shields Northumberland,U,53 QUAYLE,Maggie,Everton Lancashire,M,27 RANKIN,Margaret,Clevedon Somerset,U,35 RENNISON,Thomas Agustus,Manchester Lancashire,U,29 RICHARDS,Elizabeth,Bromley Middlesex,M,25 RIDDELL,George,Hackney Middlesex,U,26 ROBERTSON,Willm.,Camberwell Surrey,M,59 ROWAN,Mary,Rickergate Cumberland,U,17 SEMPLE,Eliza E.,Tormoham Devon,U,37 SEMPLE,Kate D.,Tormoham Devon,U,37 SERVICE,Robert,Goole Yorkshire,M,33 SHARP,Matthew,Onchan Isle of Man,M,37 SHEARER,James,Everton Lancashire,M,53 SIMPSON,Mary,Croydon Surrey,M,42 SOWDEN,Elizabeth J.,Goldhanger Essex,U,5 SOWDEN,William G.,Goldhanger Essex,U,7 STARK,Catherine,St Michael Cornhill Middlesex,M,40 STEPHENSON,Alex.D.,Tonbridge Kent,U,19 STEVENS,Fannie,Exeter Devon,U,17 STRUTHER,David Chas.,St Giles in the Fields Middlesex,U,23 SUTHERLAND,Mary L.,Bootle cum Linacre Lancashire,M,29 THOMSON,Charles,Plymouth Devon,U,36 THORBURN,Jane,Camberwell Surrey,U,18 WILDAY,Robina,Liverpool Lancashire,M,28 YOUNG,James,Liverpool Lancashire,W,74 4) Buteshire born: Surname,Forename,Living at,Status,Age ASTON,Jessie R.,Withington Herefordshire,M,37 BALLACK,Margaret,Kensington Middlesex,M,50 BELL,Hannah,Barrow in Furness Lancashire,U,14 BELL,James,Barrow in Furness Lancashire,U,19 BELL,John G.,Barrow in Furness Lancashire,U,10 BELL,Maggie Jane,Barrow in Furness Lancashire,U,8 BROWN,Robert,Holyhead Wales,M,37 CAFFREY,Isabella,Preston Lancashire,M,45 CARLYLE,Cecilia,St Columb Major Cornwall,M,56 CHRISTIE,Hannah,Aston Warwickshire,M,48 CLARK,David W.B.,Barrow in Furness Lancashire,U,11 CLARKE,Edward,Camerton Cumberland,M,40 COOK,Neil,Eling Hampshire,W,71 COOPER,Jessie B.,Hackney Middlesex,M,40 COWIE,Hugh,Greenwich Kent,M,38 DICK,Joseph,Edenham Lincoln,M,27 EDGAR,Robert,Holyhead Wales,M,26 FERGUSEN,Hugh,Dorking Surrey,M,62 FERGUSSON,Lilian,Eltham Kent,U,24 FORREST,James,Portsmouth Hampshire,M,45 FORSER,Andrew,Liverpool Lancashire,U,24 FULLERTON,Isabella,Brighton Sussex,U,63 GILLESPIE,Ellen,Oldham Lancashire,M,22 GRAY,Douglas,Westoe Durham,M,53 GREETHAM,James,Wandsworth Surrey,U,36 HAIG,George,Hammersmith Middlesex,M,41 HAIG,Gertrude,Hammersmith Middlesex,U,6 HAIG,Lucy,Hammersmith Middlesex,U,4 HALL,Joseph J.,Shoreditch Middlesex,U,5 HASLEHURSHT,Emma,Lee Kent,U,14 HAWKET,Mary H.,Clewer Berkshire,U,15 HICKS,Letitia,Brampton Cumberland,U,21 HINES,John,Scilly Islands Cornwall,U,17 HUNTER,Ellen C,Lewisham Kent,W,57 INNES,Hugh,Whitehaven Cumberland,U,36 JOHNSON,Janet,Orell & Ford Lancashire,M,47 JONES,Helen,Toxteth Park Lancashire,U,22 JOREY,William E.C.,Stoke Damerel Devon,U,6m KELSO,Elizabeth,Beddington Surrey,U,14 KEMP,Louisa H.S.,Kensington Middlesex,U,17 KIRKWOOD,John,Whitehaven Cumberland,U,36 LAING,Isabel,Stretford Lancashire,W,72 LIPSCOMBE,Henry,Plumpton Sussex,U,16 MacKENZIE,Mary,Kirkby Moorside Yorkshire,W,38 Mc ALISTER,Hector,Carmarthen Wales,M,36 Mc DOUGALL,Ann,Litherland Lancashire,U,36 Mc INTYRE,Ann,Friern Barnet Middlesex,U,25 Mc LEARY,John,Everton Lancashire,M,41 McCRATES,John N.,Tonbridge Kent,W,84 McDIARMID,Dunlorn,Caernarvon Wales,U,25 McINTYRE,Alastair,Shadwell Middlesex,U,32 McMILLAN,Mary,Liverpool Lancashire,U,19 MISSELLS,Martha,Kingston On Thames Surrey,M,29 MISSELLS,Percival,Kingston On Thames Surrey,U,8 MITCHELL,Euphemiah,Croydon Surrey,U,27 MITCHELL,Peter,Barrow in Furness Lancashire,M,36 NEILSON,Catherine A.,St Helier Jersey,U,33 NEILSON,Charlotte E.,St Helier Jersey,U,29 NEILSON,Margaret,St Helier Jersey,U,37 NEWBY,Mary,Great Yarmouth Norfolk,W,56 NORTON,Susannah,St Pancras Middlesex,M,41 NURSE,Ann,Berwick upon Tweed Northumberland,M,64 PELHAM,Isabella Laura,Altrincham Cheshire,M,27 PYLRUN,Elizabeth,Richmond Surrey,W,41 ROWAN,James M.,Everton Lancashire,U,23 SADDINGTON,James,St Pancras Middlesex,M,30 SHEARER,Emma,Wallsend Northumberland,W,55 SMITH,John,Wandsworth Surrey,U,24 SPROUL,John,Southampton St Mary Hampshire,M,39 STEEL,John,Birmingham Warwickshire,M,26 STEWART,John,Beddington Surrey,M,33 STEWART,William,Paddington Middlesex,M,47 STUART,Alexander,Menwith cum Darley Yorkshire,M,39 SULLIVAN,John,St Dunstan inthe West Middlesex,U,7 TEMPLETON,Agnes,Paddington Middlesex,U,26 TEMPLETON,Mary,Paddington Middlesex,U,24 WALLACE,John,Hammersmith Middlesex,U,39 WATKINS,Flory,Camberwell Surrey,U,8 WATSON,James,Leatherhead Surrey,M,35 WILKINSON,Agnes,Bispham With Norbeck Lancashire,M,50 WILSON,James,Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow Durham,M,35 YOUNG,James,Barrow in Furness Lancashire,M,66 YOUNG,Margaret E.,Kensington Middlesex,M,52 ****** ****** ****** E-mail me OFF LIST if you want details of any particular household that goes with an entry - don't forget to mention the birthplace, especially if this message is sourced from the list archives. I'm still working on the Buteshire born strays in the rest of Scotland, all I can say at present is it won't be next week :-( Meanwhile feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Hi All - I am trying to find my ancestors (surnames McKINLEY, MORRISON, WEIR) roots in Scotland. They were living on Rathlin Island, Co Antrim, NI by 1803. I know that their roots were in Scotland and that they often traveled to Greenock to work in shipbuilding. Also, one was said to be head gardener at Holy Rood Palace in Edinburgh (maybe this was a story). I have wondered if perhaps they followed the route of the McCurdys and came from Bute about 1666. McCurdy was the most numerous name on Rathlin Island in the 1800s. When they lived on Rathlin, the families appear to have been Roman Catholic. Given names were Archibald, John, James, Alexander, Daniel, Patrick. Some Rathlin Islanders went to Australia, but mine came to the U.S. during 1851-1861. Regards, Maryl, USA

Hi everyone, Peter's musings about the strays in the 1881 census inspired me to search for people born Arran/Bute on the LDS Church's 1851 census CD for Devon, Norfolk and Warwickshire . I found just one family: Archebald FULLERTON, aged 41, a Boatman Coast Guard, born Kilbride, Arran, and his wife Margaret, 41, born Islay, were living at Trimingham, Erpingham, Norfolk, with children Alexander, Archebald and John (all born Kilbride, Arran) and Adam, James and Cheallottes (all born Norfolk). If anyone wants full details, please contact me off list. I'm also happy to search for a specific name if anyone thinks their Buteshire relatives might have strayed to any of these three counties. I should say, like Peter, that my search obviously didn't include people simply listed as born Scotland. As far as I know, these are the only three counties that have been indexed for the 1851 census and put on CD. Madeleine Wales

Neil, My ggg grandfather Neil Mcmillan and his wife Catherine Kerr came from South Sannox near High Corrie. They came to Canada in 1829 due to the Arran Clearances. Heather neil bowes wrote: > Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries > Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10529 > > Surname: bowes, macmillan > ------------------------- > > Through LDS I have tracked down one Robert Bowes, born Aug 22, 1835, in > Upper Corrie, Isle of Arran, Bute. I suspect this may be my great grandfather. > His father was Robert Bowes (born Stevenston, Ayr in 1802) who married > a Margaret MacMillan (in Stewarton, 1826). I think the MacMillans may have > been from Arran. > Does anyone know of these families, who might help to fill in some gaps? > Thanks > Neil Bowes > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > For Websites or WebPages of Buteshire GenWeb subscribers see > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/homepage.htm > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10530 Surname: Gentles ------------------------- I am in the process of tracing back my family and have been finding it very difficult to find any information once the name hits Scotland. I do however know my Great Grandfathers name was James Morris Gentles and his father was also a James gentles. James Morris Gentles was married to a Christina Richard Rodger. James Morris Gentles brother (don't know his name) owned a shoeshop in Arbroath, Scotland. Other than that I don't have much information on my families history.

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10529 Surname: bowes, macmillan ------------------------- Through LDS I have tracked down one Robert Bowes, born Aug 22, 1835, in Upper Corrie, Isle of Arran, Bute. I suspect this may be my great grandfather. His father was Robert Bowes (born Stevenston, Ayr in 1802) who married a Margaret MacMillan (in Stewarton, 1826). I think the MacMillans may have been from Arran. Does anyone know of these families, who might help to fill in some gaps? Thanks Neil Bowes

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/10528 Surname: MUNN ------------------------- A Donald Munn Snr and Jnr were both from Rothesay on the Isle of Bute. They both enlisted in the 'Royal 42nd Highland Regiment of Foot - 2nd Battallion in Glasgow on August 10th, 1775 with Lieutenant Colonel Sterling's Company. I am very interested in any details of their birth dates (father and son), details of Donald Snr's parents etc etc. Any information from MUNN ancestry from the Isle of Bute from this time area would be appreciated.They both saw service in Canada. Please see the MUNN site on http://members.home.com/mjwhitehouse/Munn_family_tree.htm Link: MUNN FAMILY WEBSITE URL: <http://members.home.com/mjwhitehouse/Munn_family_tree.htm>

Bill McKinlay wrote: > Hi Betty, > > Thanks for the interesting bits > > "We found an entry on the Kingarth PR's for Bryce Martin , Glasgow, > son-in-law of John MCKINLAY, Rothesay, 1860, think it was a burial." > The Bryce Martin I am after certainly was the son-in-law of John > McKinlay but was alive and kicking in 1894. (Just to make life > confusing, there were at least 5 John M's around Rothesay at the time > but it is certainly a co-incidence.) This entry was in the McKirdy Death Index for Bute, which we also have at the library & it lists witnesses & informants as separate entries, hence the confusion. I had another look today, in fact I have copies of all McKinlay & Martin entries. The above entry for Bryce could be as a witness. There is an entry for John McKinlay of 137 S Cumberland St, Glasgw, son of James McKinlay in 1864, probably as a witness & 2 entries for Janet McKinlay of 38 St. Georges Rd, Glasgow, one as sister of James McKinlay & the other as spouse of ? Martin, Parish Rothesay, entry 0207 1871 Lds Film No.0224611 "Also found an entry in a Glasgow Directory for John MARTIN, Cabinet & Chair Maker, Tower Lane Glasgow, will have to check this for the date, also. Did not have time to check all the Directories for this entry today. It was not in Slaters Directory of Glasgow & it means going through the Glasgow Directories year by year. Did find several entries for Bryce Martin, his businesses & houses, which I will forward direct. I see on the IGI a marriage between Bryce MARTIN & Janet MACKINLAY in Rothesay in 1853.." This one is definitely "mine" or at least the Martin/Mackinlay > marriage is. The address of John Martin doesn't tie in with that on > the one surviving invoice of the business that I have seen (unable to > locate at the moment.) Would you happen to have a name of the trade > directories as I would like to see if there is anything else? > I think it high time I tried to locate a death cert. to see if I can > ger better leads on this one. > > Cheers for now > > Bill > > > > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > For Websites or WebPages of Buteshire GenWeb subscribers see > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/homepage.htm > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Hi Betty, Thanks for the interesting bits "We found an entry on the Kingarth PR's for Bryce Martin , Glasgow, son-in-law of John MCKINLAY, Rothesay, 1860, think it was a burial." The Bryce Martin I am after certainly was the son-in-law of John McKinlay but was alive and kicking in 1894. (Just to make life confusing, there were at least 5 John M's around Rothesay at the time but it is certainly a co-incidence.) "Also found an entry in a Glasgow Directory for John MARTIN, Cabinet & Chair Maker, Tower Lane Glasgow, will have to check this for the date, also. I see on the IGI a marriage between Bryce MARTIN & Janet MACKINLAY in Rothesay in 1853.." This one is definitely "mine" or at least the Martin/Mackinlay marriage is. The address of John Martin doesn't tie in with that on the one surviving invoice of the business that I have seen (unable to locate at the moment.) Would you happen to have a name of the trade directories as I would like to see if there is anything else? I think it high time I tried to locate a death cert. to see if I can ger better leads on this one. Cheers for now Bill

Hello Bill, JAMES & BRYCE are certainly family names. James MARTIN & Jean CRAWFORD had a son, Bryce born 11 Jan 1810. Also found a burial for a Bryce about 50 years, farm labourer in 1860. Also: James to Archibald MARTIN & MARGARET JAMIESON 21 Aug 1825 James to Bryce MARTIN & Jean MCDOUGALL 28 Dec 1834 The latter James could be the son of Bryce, born 1810. Our John was not baptized as John Crawford Martin, but this was the name he used on marriage certificate,etc.. We found an entry on the Kingarth PR's for Bryce Martin , Glasgow, son-in-law of John MCKINLAY, Rothesay, 1860, think it was a burial. There is also a burial for Catherine,{no age}daughter of James MCKINLAY in 1869. We have these Parish Records permanently at our FH Library and as it is a while since I transcribed these entries, would need to recheck them. If there is anything else you would like checked, please let me know. Also found an entry in a Glasgow Directory for John MARTIN, Cabinet & Chair Maker, Tower Lane Glasgow, will have to check this for the date, also. I see on the IGI a marriage between Bryce MARTIN & Janet MACKINLAY in Rothesay in 1853, which seems to have been entered by a relative. Sorry this is so vague, but hope it helps, Betty

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Martyn to the best of my knowledge I don't think so. If there is a link it is a rather obscure one. (I have a McKinlay/McKinlay marriage which took place in South Africa in 1880 before they returned to Rothesay but it is one of my dead ends that I just wind up with either insufficient information or too much conflicting information to pursue with confidence.) At this stage I have no known McKinlay family still in Bute after 1894. Cheers Bill.