Argh. (Um, that's about as polite as I can be on this topic). The last address I sent won't work, so you will need to use this one (which you will need to recombine into one line ) :- < http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.britisle s.scotland.but.general&maxrows=25&dir=next >

1 Here is the 'latest' now slightly longer address (which you may need to recombine into one line ) :- http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.britisle s.scotland.bute.general I have been advised that you can change the &r=rw part to &r=an or &r=mf to see exactly the same messages with a different header and a different copyright message !! PLEASE, NO discussion on list re Copyright. 2 The second "Re: Hyndman" message (3 July) also came from the query board via the gateway. RootsWeb Help Desk staff have been unable to say when these messages will be again clearly identified (as they were before the changes on June 23). For newcomers. responding to query board gatewayed messages by replying to the list only, may mean the poster will not get a copy. Reason: simply that not all board posters are also list members. If you are not sure, use "reply to all" or your e-mail system's equivalent. regards Peter

Hello everyone, I am new to the List and would like to submit my research interests: NEILSON Kilmory 1800+ SHAW Kilmory 1800+ I would love to hear from anyone researching these surnames. Best wishes, Lucy.

>Hi, > >I would like to let you know about a new site - Scotland BDM >Exchange. The aim of the Scotland Birth, Death and Marriage Exchange >is to provide genealogists with a free resource for sharing >information about details contained on civil and parish registrations >in Scotland. This includes certified or micrographic copies, >inspections and transcriptions of registrations of births, baptisms, >deaths, burials, marriages and banns. > >The URL is - > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbdm/index.htm > >The site is in it's infancy, and I will be posting to the various >lists progressively. If you would like to submit your certificates, >follow the directions on site. > >Cheers >Sue Lund >sue@gil.com.au

This may be of interest to some - please note 1) I have NOT checked the site out myself as yet, and 2) the forum link is probably the second (Uppercase) one - the other appears to have a missing 'u' ... -----Original Message----- From: scotinfo@ram7.com <scotinfo@ram7.com> To: buteshiregenweb-l-request@rootsweb.com <buteshiregenweb-l-request@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, 3 July 2001 04:48 Subject: NEW Scottish Site and Forum >Hi all, > >I would like to introduce a free new web site for Scots the world over. > >WWW.SCOTTALK.COM > >www.scottalk.com is a new and exciting project dedicated to bringing >together the Scots the world over. > >There is a state of the art forum for all Scots to use at >www.scottalk.com/form > >WWW.SCOTTALK.COM/FORUM > >We would love for you to come and join us. > >ITS FREE > >Yours > >Dez S Urban > Remove info SNIPPED

No Janet does not fit into my tree, but this may help, Janet Hyman born 19/7/1867 Lochranza, parents Archibald Hyman & Mary McMillan, Hyman is a misspelling, in the 1891 census index there is a Janet Hyndman aged 23 at Lochranza, if you think this is correct Janet then I have a bit more info. Regards Merv Hyndman

Welcome to Dawn Isles, Lucy Basset and 'wpryke' who have joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Sorry about the double up of messages re the Gateway - the one with one part and reference to only one other message was sent some 28 hours before the second but arrived in my mailbox over 3 hours after the follow up! In an earlier post during the week re the new Query Board set up I wrote "Please note also, that I do know about the blank 'Admin Info' panel, and am working on it.". The link is now labelled "Links & Announcements", and does contain a link and some user information. If you are running Netscape or something other than IE5, and have time to look, I would appreciate advice on whether there are any problems with the page - preferably using the e-mail link on the page, TIA. ****** ****** ****** Here is the index for the first six months of 2001 ... #88 How Names are in our GENES #89 More on GENES: Isle Of Bute site #90 Replying to list: Hoaxes: 'at' 'in' 'of' in Scottish OPR's #91 Anglicisation of Surnames: Index 2nd half 2000 #92 UK Census Dates list, and why Sunday/Monday #93 clarification re 1901 availability : Genealogy Quips #94 List of Buteshire Researchers Home Pages update: What is or isn't "Off Topic" #95 re familydiscovery.com #96 Excise Officers & Revenue Cutters Arran #97 Ethics - GenForum #98 Some useful new links # 99 Happy Easter - Arran leases 1803 on #100 Attachments & Viruses (start of "Badtrans") / Genealogy Pox #101 Further re mid week request for responses of general interest to be sent via the list / Pointer to good summary re Viruses, Worms etc #102 Buteshire born "Strays", not living in Scotland in 1881 #103 Mother's Day - some humour #104 Strays Update : BadTrans Virus warning again #105 What is a stray ? What's in the 'strays' lists. #106 Re a research service - caveat emptor #107 'Mawanella' worm warning / note re 'Services to Heirs' extracts #108 Emigration - 'Ellis Island' update / another Badtrans victim #109 GenConnect Query Board changes ****** ****** ****** WARNING: The "Snow-White" worm is doing the rounds again - I received a copy yesterday (not from anyone on this list I hasten to add), so please continue to observe safe e-mail practices. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Hi Dawn, You probably have these details but in case not, the following are the OPR details of the above couples marriage entry January 1803 Campbell & McKirdy Archibald Campbell, Carpenter in Rothesay and Margaret McKirdy, daughter to John McKirdy Seaman in Rothesay Booked 14th Married 18th inst. These are not part of family I am researching - just a co-incidence they are on the same sheet. If you want a copy I can either post a photocopy or scan and forward that way. Cheers Bill

Dawn has been added to the subscriber list ... -----Original Message----- From: Don Isles <DDIsles@xtra.co.nz> To: buteshiregenweb-l-request@rootsweb.com <buteshiregenweb-l-request@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 30 June 2001 13:11 Subject: {Not a subscriber} Family research I would be pleased with any information on my families from the Isle of Bute. Archibald Campbell marr Margaret McKirdy in 1803 - Rothesay - 2 children - Janet and John (my gt.gt.grandfather). He marr. Elizabeth Jamieson 1842, and they had 9 children losing 4 in infancy. James Jamieson from Kingarth, marr. Jane Barbour - have no date, - Elizabeth being eldest child of 8 children. Also interested in the McKirdy family of Margaret, and Barbour family of Jane. Can find no birth - or death for Archibald Campbell, - any help appreciated. Thank-you, Dawn (nee Campbell)

1 WARNING: While the query board posts are coming through again, they are currently NOT identified as such within the message as they used to be. What alerted me to this situation, was my Board post with the subject "New Board System Information" Other known Board post have the subjects "Hugh McCurdy from scotland" & "Re: Hyndman" Apparently there is a reference to gc-connect in the headers to these messages, but this is not something that all e-mail systems can easily display. The bug has been reported. 2 There was a problem for a while with Netscape users effectively being locked out of the Boards, but this is reportedly fixed. regards Peter Cook Rossmoyne Western Australia cookfmly@bigpond.com http://users.bigpond.com/cookfmly/ or http://cookfmly.rootsweb.com/ for research names List maintainer of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list. Board Admin Bute Scotland Query board.

WARNING: While the query board posts are coming through again, they are NOT identified as such within the message as they used to be. What alerted me to this situation, was my post with the subject "New Board System Information" Another known Board post has the subject "Hugh McCurdy from scotland" Apparently there is a reference to gc-connect in the headers to these messages, but this is not something that all e-mail systems can easily display. The bug has been reported. regards Peter Cook Rossmoyne Western Australia cookfmly@bigpond.com http://users.bigpond.com/cookfmly/ or http://cookfmly.rootsweb.com/ for research names List maintainer of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list. Board Admin Bute Scotland Query board.

For those who haven't seen or missed this from RootsWeb Review: >MESSAGE FROM THE ROOTSWEB HOME OFFICE > > by Jake Gehring, Executive Producer, RootsWeb.com > >Wow, what a week it has been. The messages have really been >flying. In an effort to improve communication from RootsWeb to >you (and vice versa), I will be sending out a message every so >often which addresses current issues on the RootsWeb site. The >RootsWeb staff has received lots of questions since the merger >of Ancestry.com and RootsWeb.com last summer, and I think >there's a general need for our users to have regular information >on RootsWeb's efforts to provide valuable services to the >genealogical community. > >I also want to make a few comments about our new message boards >system which was launched last week. We're grateful for the >excellent feedback many of you have provided. The feedback has >been generally positive when addressing the value of the >combined datasets and the increased search functionality. >However, I also recognize that any significant change requires >some getting used to and may create some temporary inconvenience >and frustration. I would like to address some of the concerns >we've heard from you, the users. > >By popular request, we will shortly add the ability for users to >filter by message category within a message board (for queries, >obituaries, deeds, etc.). For the benefit of the message board >administrators, we are extending the board re-adoption deadline >from July 15 to July 23. > >There is some confusion about RootsWeb's position regarding the >ownership of messages posted on the boards. Let me clarify by >excerpting from the Acceptable Use Policy, which reads, "When >you post messages to mailing lists, message boards, and other >facilities at RootsWeb, those posts remain your property under >copyright law." The same is true for those using the message >boards at Ancestry.com. In short, if you posted it, you own it. > >As far as the message boards or any other RootsWeb features are >concerned, if you're not happy, we're not happy. Please continue >to give us your comments and concerns at >http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi > or at [TWO-LINE URL - recombine before using] >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=RootsWeb-20- >Topics-20-and-20-Localities.AdminCenter.suggestions > >In the meanwhile, experiment with the newly merged message >boards. You might discover some previously buried information or >make an invaluable connection that will enable you to leap over >a proverbial genealogical brick wall problem that you had almost >given up on solving. > >______________________________

Following is a list of omissions of Services of Heirs found on a second run through the records. Covered is the period 1800 - 1860. Hope you find something useful. Cheers Bill Heir Details Date recorded Month number Boyd- James Mariner, Cumbrae, to his Father, James Boyd, Shipmaster, Greenock, - Heir of Provision General – dated 4th May 1857 1857, May 6 7 Castles - Agnes To her brother Joseph Castles in Millport, Sailor in the ship “Hugh Crawford” – Co-heir of Provision General – dated 13th September 1822 1822, Sept. 19 24 Castles - Jean To her brother Joseph Castles in Millport, Sailor in the ship “Hugh Crawford” – Co-heir of Provision General – dated 13th September 1822 1822, Sept. 19 24 Castles - Mary To her brother Joseph Castles in Millport, Sailor in the ship “Hugh Crawford” – Co-heir of Provision General – dated 13th September 1822 1822, Sept. 19 24 Cook – Jean – (or Robertson) Arran, to her Uncle, Thomas Miller, Binnan there – Co-Heir General with Specification – dated 13th June 1853 1853, June 22 51 Duncan – John Seaman, Rothesay, to his Grandfather, John Mun, Smith there, then in Port Bannatyne – Co-Heir General – dated 11th November 1851 1851, Nov. 21 50 Fullarton - Alexander Brodick, Arran, to his Cousin Margaret McLaren Fullarton, Glasgow, who died 27th March 1854 – Heir Special, in a Steading of Ground in Hospital Street, Glasgow – dated 13th June 1854 1854, June 21 47 Hill - Stewart Sailor, Rothesay to his Brother Daniel Hill – Heir General dated 13th July 1807 1807, July 30 35 Hunter – James Farmer, Craigengour, Cumbrae, to his Grandfather James Hunter, Sailor there, who died 2nd January 1846 – Heir General and Special, in Part of Kaims, with house, Meikle Cumbrae – Buteshire – dated 20th March 1854 1854, Mar. 27 72 Kerr - Alexander Shoemaker, Arran, to his Granduncle Thomas Miller, Binnan Arran – Co-Heir General with Specification dated 13th June 1853. 1853, June 22 51 Kerr – Christina – (or Robertson) Newton-on-Ayr, to her uncle Thomas Miller, Binnan Arran – Co-Heir General with Specification dated 13th June 1853. 1853, June 22 51 Lyon – Jean – (or Alexander) In Greenock, to his Aunt Jean Scott or Armour there – Heir Portioner of Provision General – dated 6th February 1835 (not of Buteshire but same reference as Daniel Spence, previously listed) 1835, Feb. 12 11 Macalister - James Lieutenant 13th Regiment of Horse, to his Uncle James Macalister of Springbank in Arran – Heir General – dated 20th December 1805 1805, Dec. 26 26 McFadzean – Mary (or Robertson) Newton-on Ayr, to her Uncle Thomas Miller, Binnan there – Co-Heir General with Specification – dated 13th June 1853 1853, June 22 51 McKinnon – John Weaver, Arran, to his Uncle Thomas Miller, Binnan there – Co-Heir General with Specification – dated 13th June 1853 1853, June 22 51 Miller – Jessie Elizabeth Rothesay, to her Father James Miller, Advocate, Edinburgh – Co-Heir General – dated 9th June 1858 1858, June 16 30 Monteith – Robert Earle Largs, to his Father The Reverend James Monteith, Ascog, Bute –Heir General dated 29th August 1856 1 856, Sept. 1 1 Orkney - Janet Kingarth, Bute, to her Aunt Jane Orkney or Clyde, Inverkip, who died 5th July 1850 – Heir of Conquest Special, in a Piece of Ground in Blackhall St., Greenock, with Houses – dated 18th October 1850 1850, Oct. 28 48 Orkney – Margaret Morrison Rothesay, Bute, to her Aunt Jane Orkney or Clyde, Inverkip, who died 5th July 1850 – Heir of Conquest Special, in a Piece of Ground in Blackhall St., Greenock, with Houses – dated 18th October 1850 1850, Oct. 28 48 Richmond – James In Arran, to his sister Mary Richmond in Campbeltown – Heir of Conquest General – dated 6th June 1833 1833, June 17 39 Roxburgh – Mary Rothesay, to her Father Matthew Roxburgh, Port Glasgow, then Shipowner, Irvine, who died 19th June 1846 – Heir Special in a Piece of Ground in Laurieston, and a Piece of Ground, with Buildings etc. in Govan – Lanarkshire; also Heir General – dated 23rd August 1851 1851, Aug. 30 72 Sharp – Alexander Stewart Waterman, Sheerness, to his Father William sharp, Waterman there who died 9th February 1837 – Heir Special in a house in the village of Millport, Meikle Cumbrae – Buteshire – dated 20th March 1854 1854, April 4 1 Smith – Agnes – (or Monteith) Wife of Rev. Walter Smith, Milnafort, to her Father the Rev. James Monteith, F.C., Bute – Co-Heir General – dated 5th January 1857 1857, Jan. 13 20 Speirs – Matthew At Claughog, Arran, to his Brother John Speirs at Hawkhead Mains – Heir in General dated 20th March 1826 1826,April 6 18 Stalker – Anne Millport, Island of Cumbrae, to her Great – Grandfather Walter Lundie, Wright, in Burntisland – Heir General – dated 24th May 1852 1852, May 27 62 Thomson - David Cabinetmaker, Glasgow, to his father William Thomson, Cumbernauld – Co Heir of Provision General – dated 30th April 1852 1852, May 7 3 Thomson – George Baker, Rothesay, to his father William Thomson, Cumbernauld – Co Heir of Provision General – dated 30th April 1852 1852, May 7 3 Thomson – Isabella – (or Whyte) Wife of John Whyte, Clerk, Lochgelly, to her father William Thomson, Cumbernauld – Co Heir of Provision General – dated 30th April 1852 1852, May 7 3

I have a relative (actually wife of my first cousin, 3 times removed), Janet Hyndman, who married Archibald Kelso sometime prior to 1896. They had a daughter, Margaret McMillan Kelso, born in 1896 in Lamlash. Does this fit into your tree somewhere? Kathy

Here is the 'latest' slightly shorter address (which you may need to recombine into one line - britisles is one word between the dots) :- http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.britisle s.scotland.bute As advised earlier, there is no guarantee that this is its final location, and the first new address page does NOT pass you on to the new location - just gives an empty list - frustrating. Regrettably at present, and against earlier advice, the old board address does NOT take you to the right place either - double frustration - I have reported the serious oversight. regards Peter

Further info on those missing e-mail addresses, which apparently applies to all messages on all boards. If you select the print option, the address is given. If you need to change an old address, here's how... "E-mail addresses will show up when posters begin to sign in. If the e-mail address is an old one, and that person does not sign in using the old address, then it will always show the old address under the print option. I have signed in using one of my old e-mail addresses, then I went back and updated the e-mail address and that fixed the old posts. I discovered another old e-mail, and I just now fixed that one, too." (editted extract from Boards Admins list) regards Peter PS if you want to take up the issue of the virtually mandatory logon requirement to make full use of the boards, please take this up on Boards-Users-L@rootsweb.com, not on this list, nor privately with me.

Lynnda It's too big a question. I'm afraid. There are 187 people called Frances Kelly in the UK Electoral Register, but none in Bute and no way of telling which is yours. Incidentally, you don't say why your letters were returned. The UK Mail does not usually return letters without a reason (e.g. "Deceased", "Gone away", "Not known at this address") The fact that your letters took a long time to come back is probably not their fault. They will deliver letters to the address you give them. UNLESS Ms Kelly had paid a fee for redirection for a finite period, what happens to them then will depend on whether the present occupier knows (or cares) where she has gone.and whether he/she can be bothered to return letters to the Post Office. Sorry I can't hold out more hope. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <Arch1122@aol.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 26 June 2001 06:56 Subject: Need Help with a postal address > I am wondering if SKS could help with an Address. I have a living relative > which I was able to correspond with once. But have not heard from since. > She is related to my Great great Aunt. > MS Frances Kelly > 57 Chricion Road > Rothesay > Isle of Bute > Strathclyde > This was the last known Address I had on her, the first letter I sent the > Postman was kind enough to deliver. The second time I wrote The postman was > not so kind and it was sent back to me. Talk about SNAIL MAIL I posted the > letter in January and it was returned to me in June. 5 Months Later > CAN ANY ONE HELP with a current address? > TIA > > Keep Climbing, > Lynnda Scallon > Arch1122@aol.com > Researching, SCALLON (SCULLION, SCALLEN, SCALLAN, & SCHOLAN per census > records) McGRORY, McMANUS, TIERNAN, McFADYEN, DAILEY,CAIRNEY, and DUFFY > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > The Buteshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Lynnda, British Telecom list only 2 Kelly's for Rothesay, A Kelly 6/25 Argyle St. J Kelly 18 Battery Place. http://www.bt.com/directory-enquiries/dq_home.jsp Perhaps a letter to either of these two might give you a lead. Also, is Chricion at typo for Crichton? Can't believe the post office wouldn't try that address but you never know. Happy hunting Bill

Hi Pat Thanks for your feedback - I am posting this reply to the list, as I think it will be of general interest as an update on the current situation. After replying to your key points, I will add some general comments. You said in part ... >The new structure of GenConnect has been brought to our attention by >a number of mailing list maintainers and I took a look at it >yesterday. >You may think I am disloyal, but I chose to look at Lanarkshire >rather than Bute for the exercise. > >I was offered a choice of 1000 websites and boards once I typed in >Lanarkshire. These were separated into all sorts of trees and many >sent one off into other divisions. As I worked down through the trees >within the Lanarkshire offering I found that the list of choices was >not in alphabetical order and thus one could not scan the list to >find groups that might be of interest. I think your 'disloyalty' <G> took you to the nub of the present problem, which is that part of the process is the merging of three sets of boards - RootsWeb's, Ancestry.com's and MyFamily.com's. For a 'popular' area such as Lanark there are many lists, most inherited from the last one of the trio above which apparently did not control, in the way GenConnect controlled, duplication - free rein was allowed. The new system is intended to be much more like Gen-Connect, but it will take time to weed out some of the extremely limited MyFamily boards. >The new arrangement shows a host of threads, many of which could be >tied together, or at least pruned. There were a number of threads >titled "My family interests" or similar, and even one titled >"unsubscribe". >There were numerous messages dated 1998 or '99. I wondered >whether this was the date of the first posting of the thread or the >latest. After checking a couple I discovered it was the date of first >posting and thus didn't give any hints as to the thread's liveliness. >There were various separate threads looking for the same surname >within the board. Sometimes it was hard to establish whether the >title of a thread referred to a surname or a location. Where possible identically named lists have been merged - for Lanark, this means duplication of messages - where someone has posted to two or three of the old boards, and of course totally inconsistent threading. Date ordering has not been standardised - what ever was the rule for the largest of the source lists seems to have prevailed. To make matters worse, the only tool available to administrators at present is the ability to delete message, so message order cannot at present be changed. Fortunately BUTE has been relatively unaffected - apparently too small to have similar boards on the other two, phew <VBG>, so it is still latest post first. Mind you, this bug has led to the discovery of a number of 1 Jan 1900 posts which resulted from Y2K problems with individual posters - there are three for Bute tucked away right at the bottom - these should eventually be corrected and appear correctly as 1 Jan 2000, but don't hold your breath. This next bit was obviously higher in Pat's post but I'll deal with it now... >First, what is the definition of a "board"? I thought it was a >website where the ordinary researcher could post problems which >he/she wondered if other board members might share or solve. >Solutions to these problems were posted and threads of >discussion on various lines of descendancy would ensue. Some >privately managed boards were well set up and carefully managed and >it was easy to establish if there was a useful thread to read through >and perhaps add to. It was also always possible to notify the >organizer when one found a "dead letter" e-mail address. 1 The RootsWeb philosophy has been carried over to the new system in that the Query Boards are meant to be for specific query's with threads developing as appropriate, while the Mailing Lists are primarily for in depth discussions on specific topics, including topics sparked by Board posts. 2 The "dead-letter" e-mail address will be less of a problem with the new system, but note that I have heard that some old posts do not have an e-mail address on them any more - not sure whether this is universal - can't look at present, as the system has at last been pulled down to try and fix the mess. Background - The new system was introduced last Friday without sufficient forward planning in the view of most board maintainers. A jump to 600+ e-mails per day to the Board Admin list against 20+ earlier last week is testimony to this - I quickly switched to Digest - even so the number of digests is creeping up with 18 today :-( One of the known bugs is ... >Gateways between message boards and lists is broken. Hopefully this will be one of the bugs fixed during this repair period, I understand that any board posts made since Friday, will be forwarded to the list eventually, so you will be able to see when this facility is back in action. Please note also that the initial path structure set up for the new combined boards was not set in stone, and is constantly changing. US Civil War sites have I understand been moved twice !! You might be better off to stick with the http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute link until I can confirm the final address. The automatic link on the old page will always point to the new one, and it (the old page) is likely to be retained for some months. As I said earlier - don't try now, as the system is down for maintenance. regards Peter

I am wondering if SKS could help with an Address. I have a living relative which I was able to correspond with once. But have not heard from since. She is related to my Great great Aunt. MS Frances Kelly 57 Chricion Road Rothesay Isle of Bute Strathclyde This was the last known Address I had on her, the first letter I sent the Postman was kind enough to deliver. The second time I wrote The postman was not so kind and it was sent back to me. Talk about SNAIL MAIL I posted the letter in January and it was returned to me in June. 5 Months Later CAN ANY ONE HELP with a current address? TIA Keep Climbing, Lynnda Scallon Arch1122@aol.com Researching, SCALLON (SCULLION, SCALLEN, SCALLAN, & SCHOLAN per census records) McGRORY, McMANUS, TIERNAN, McFADYEN, DAILEY,CAIRNEY, and DUFFY