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Hi, Thanks for the message, Sadly I can not see a match with our families. I no people called Thomas within my Thompson lot. Good luck and best wishes, Sharon

§ denotes my interests (?) unclear focus, can't get a good reading of the item in question LDS film # 103813 § Lubas Farm House John MARTIN head 43 farmer of 125 acres, employing 3 men, 1 boy, 3 girls born Kingarth Margaret MARTIN dau 10 scholar Kingarth Archibald do son 8 do do Martha do dau 6 do do James do son 3 do do Margaret McKAY niece unm 21(24) housekeeper Kingarth John McLEOD serv unm 25 ploughman Argyllshire Kerriemenick John WHITE serv unm 19 do do Kilfinnan James DAWSON serv unm 18 general serv do do Robert DUNCAN serv unm 16 do do Kingarth Sarah McCALLUM serv unm 22 dairymaid Argyllshire Kilmartin Ann BEATON serv unm 22 general serv Argyllshire Island of (?)Voll (?)Dunagel farm house Daniel McLEAN head 71 farmer 90 acres 2 men 1 woman Argyllshire, Island of (?)Tine Agnes McNAUGHT wife 70 Rothesay Ann McLEAN dau unm 32 farmer's dau do Angus McLEAN son unm 30 do son do David do do do 20 do do do Margaret DUNCAN visitor widow 50 seamstress do Janet HENDERSON serv unm 18 domestic serv Argyl Campbelton Charles JAMIESON serv unm 22 general serv Ayr, Maybole Duncan McMILLAN serv unm 30 ploughman Argyl Tarbert Lynn in Baltimore, MD USA marylindsay1@home.com

Hi all, Apologies to those who this does not affect, but I have seen a quite a few messages about emails to Australia lately. The problem is that bigpond.com (or BIGPONG as it is commonly known) has been going up and down like a yo yo lately, with no end to the problems in sight. Since about 80% of Aussie traffic goes through telstra (read bigpond) this is causing all sort of problems. So if your are sending to a bigpond address or any aussie address for that matter, which you are sure is valid, you may experience problems. Keep trying and the email will eventually get through !! This must be a nightmare for all of the list administrators. Regards Steve Farmer -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG DUNN - Lanarkshire , SCT LAWSON - AUS, ENG FRIEND - Sussex, ENG LOSEBY - AUS, ENG WYLIE - Perthshire , SCT RICHARDS - Devon, ENG PEARSE - Somerset, ENG BOUNDS - AUS EGAN - Galway, IRE From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Australian Society of Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

We have a Thos. THOMSON (without the P) married Sophia Mcnicoll born 20 Aug 1846,Glenisla Angus Scot. Father John Mcnicoll & Elisabeth Stewart (both names spelled differently.) Sophia is sister to Clemintina Stewart Mcn.who married Joseph Hogg in Edinburgh and was present at birth of Margaret Clementina Hogg, my husband's grandmother. Margaret married a Ritchie and came to the states in early 1900's. We have been trying to trace the Ritchies, Hoggs and Mcnicolls and why I have this info on Sophia. I,m not sure this is any connection to your Thompson with the "P" but do know spellings change.

Lynn, Many thanks for posting the 1861 census extracts. There are a couple of people I recognise, including Gilbert CURRIE and his wife Effie at Gatehouse. In case it helps someone else, the place in Argyllshire that you had difficulty in reading is Skipness, in the Kintyre peninsula. I have the entry for Gilbert and his family in the 1851 census, but not this one, so I'm very grateful. Gilbert might be related to my great-great-grandmother Flora CURRIE (married Archibald HILL), Regards Madeleine

From the same pages as the people for whom I'm researching (§): LDS film # 0103813. (The focus on the page is not always clear, so I have done the best I can to read the names and houses. (?) will denote unclear focus) 3rd ED Enumerator Walter BROADFOOT (?), schoolmaster Kingarth Inn (?) John McKIRDY, head 45 v surgeon empl 5 men Kingarth Nicholas T do wife 34 Dumfrieshire, Lockerby Jessie D do dau 3 Kingarth John do son 2 do Catherine do dau 1 mos do Janet DYET (?) visitor unm 48 householder Renfrew, Port Glasgow Mary LIVINGSTONE serv unm 19 domestic serv Argylshire Easedale Christina CURRIE serv unm 15 domestic serv Lanarkshire Glasgow John McFARLANE apprentice unm 19 app blacksmith Rothesay Gatehouse Gilbert CURRIE head 81 formerly forest labourer Argylshire (?)Skipaross Effie CURRIE wife 75 Argylshire (?) Skipaross Catherine do dau unm 41 washerwoman do Isabella McKINNON sis-in-law unm 72 formerly dairymaid do Gatehouse John YUILL head 47 Forest labourer Stirling, Killearn Margaret wife 43 Kingarth Mary McKINLAY aunt unm 85 formerly farmer's dau Kingarth § Largizean Farm House Archibald MARTIN head 37 farmer of 137 acres emp 4 men 2 women, Kingarth Jane MARTIN wife 22 Kingarth Janet McFIE serv unm 23 dairymaid Kingarth Elizabeth CAMPBELL serv unm 19 Agricultural labourer Ayrshire Girvan William BAXTER serv unm 26 ploughman Argylshire Kikfinnan Daniel McKINNON serv unm 18 do do Campbelton Allan WHITE serv unm 17 shepherd Argylshire, Kilfinnan James THOMSON serv unm 58 Agricultural labourer Rothesay William T GILL boarder mar 35 F C minister (no charge) Ireland Lynn Prettyman in Balt MD USA marylindsay1@home.com

Hi everyone, My name is Cath and I am here in Australia trying to find my scottish relatives. My mum was orphaned young so I don't have too much to go on. My Grandmother Agnes SMITH married Andrew NICOLSON in 1919 and they lived at Rothesay. I think she worked at a hotel called the BellTrees for a Miss Campbell. Agnes died in about 1944 and my mum, Margaret went to an orphanage in Glasgow. There was a brother named David NICOLSON who may have been adopted by Miss Campbell and a sister named Isabell (not sure what happened to her). Andrew Nicolson went back to Glasgow after Agnes died and we think he died soon after. I am trying to obtain certificates but I think Agnes may have changed her name at some stage or met someone else and used their name. Any help would be appreciated and I would love to hear from anyone with any connections. Cath Shelton

I came across your message re Bannatynes and wonder if you could perhaps help me. My ancestor was Ninian Stewart, Fisheries Officer who servied in Orkney and Shetland, living in Grobsness, Shetland from about 1828 until his death in 1837/38. He married Elisabeth Scott Adie of Delting, Shetland and had a son Robert born in 1832. Previously he had a child to a Betsey Morrison (I think this child was called Ninian and reared by a family James Nicholson also of Grobsness). He also had a son George born to (just forgotten at the moment) in St.margaret's Hope Sth. Ronaldsay Orkney. One of the godfathers (?) was James Bannatyne. I researched all of the Ninian Stewarts in Scotland and found most of them born in Bute. The one I think to be the most suitable is Ninian Stewart born 27.3.1795 to Robert Stewart and Elizabeth Bannantyne. at Rothesay in 'Bute. They were married at Bute on 5.6.1794. The only way I can prove whether or not he is my ancestor is to eliminate him w! hen others claim him. Have you come across him. All the best, Doris.

I have always been told that my great great Grandfather was a close friend of the Duke of Hamilton. In the 1840's my Francis TOWNLEY lost his wife (Sophia, daughter of Sir William Knightly) and 2 children through disease in England. Apparently he was asked by his friend the Duke to join him in Scotland. Francis apparently then went to live in Scotland with his only remaining child, William TOWNLEY. We have a photo of William wearing a kilt, also a signed document giving William his commission into the army in 1857 by the Duke of Hamilton.He became ensign in the second regiment of the Royal Lanarkshire Militia. Anyway eventually William married and went to live in Australia from which his life was very well documented. Luckily for me. I now have a death certificate for Francis TOWNLEY in 1859. It says died in Brodick and was buried in Kilbride church yard. Does anybody know if there is an index or somebody I could write to about finding his grave. I'm hoping that he has a headstone which is still readable. Even though I'm pretty sure this man is my ancestor I still have no actual proof as his death cert. doesn't tell me that much. His occupation states that he was a land steward when he died as the age of 66. Also where does one write to enquiring about the possibiltiy of a will? Any ideas greatly appreciated. Rosemany Bigwood the Scottish Genealogist was recently here in Auckland. I attended one of her lectures and purchased her book "Tracing Scottish Ancestors". Bye for Now Anne in wet Auckland, New Zealand

Hi, Could anyone tell me the address of the Buteshire Country Records Office, My g. father John Lyons born 1870 and his two sisters Margaret Lyons born 1872 and Mary Jane Lyons born 1874 went to Industrial School 27 Mill Street Rothesay. I would like to know if it is possible to obtain their school records. Thank You Bob crowhill@bigpond.com

Buteshire County Records Office Mount Pleasant Rothesay Bute But they may not have the records you are looking for. They may be at the Argyll & Bute Records Office. The address ought to be on the GENUKI Scotland web page. /cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert W Lyons" <crowhill@bigpond.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 10:49 AM Subject: Buteshire C.R.O. > Hi, > Could anyone tell me the address of the Buteshire Country Records Office, My g. father John Lyons born 1870 > and his two sisters Margaret Lyons born 1872 and Mary > Jane Lyons born 1874 went to Industrial School 27 Mill > Street Rothesay. I would like to know if it is possible to obtain their school records. > Thank You > Bob > crowhill@bigpond.com > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > For Websites or WebPages of Buteshire GenWeb subscribers see > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/homepage.htm > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

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What a shame, but thanks for replying so promptly. There was a James McDougall--son of John, tenant farmer in 'Craigmore' (a farming area in Rothesay)--who married Mary Lamont. I am trying to find if he is my Alexander Snr's brother, as he too was noted as son of John, tenant farmer in 'Craigmore'. Also Alexander Snr's daughter, Joan Macpherson McDougall, married Duncan McDougall, from North Bute. Does any of this ring a bell?? Regards Jeanette.

Hi - Sorry to say that none of these names are familiar at all. I think it must be a different McDougall family. Good luck in your search.

Hi!! My great great grandparents were Alexander McDougall & Catherine McCallum, who were married in Rothesay, Bute, on 6th January, 1831. They had children Catherine 1(1831), Susanna (1833), John (1836), Joan McPherson (1837-my g gran), Mary (1839), Catherine 2 (1841) & Alexander JNR (1845). Joan, Catherine 2, & Alexander migrated to Australia in the late 1800s. Does any of this sound familiar to you?? Would love to hear from any folk also researching this family. Regards Jeanette.

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How do I find out about the Argyll and Bute District Asylum. I am interested in someone who was an inmate and recorded in the 1881 census. Jennie

Hello everyone Just re-listing my Bute interests in case anyone has any knowledge of them or possible connections. Christina H. McALLISTER was born on Bute about 1809. In 1840 she emigrated to Sydney, Australia with her husband, James WILSON, and their son James aboard the ship "Joseph Cunard". The family may have been living in Greenoch before they left. The IGI has a Christina McALISTER being born at Cumun (?), Bute in 1811. Relative: Mary Florence BRIGHT STOCKS. This may not be my Christina of course, but I need to check it out. Does anyone know of a place called Cumun as I can't find it on any maps? Are there any BRIGHT STOCKS out there who have McALISTERs in their tree? Regards -- Ian Jones Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

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