Hello My name is Lucy HUNTER and I am new to this list . My interests are in the HUNTER family of Bute . My main problem is I know little of their history so I guess my 1st question is are there many HUNTERS on Bute and maybe try to go from there . I know starting like this is like looking for a needle in a haystack , I just have to start somewhere . Thank you Regards ----------Lucy

Hello My name is Lucy HUNTER and I am new to this list . My interests are in the HUNTER family of Bute . My main problem is I know little of their history so I guess my 1st question is are there many HUNTERS on Bute and maybe try to go from there . I know starting like this is like looking for a needle in a haystack , I just have to start somewhere . Thank you Regards ----------Lucy

Hi, I have just completed another update and the site now holds the following records - Births 597 Deaths 577 Marriages 1723 Baptisms 1053 Burials 13 Banns 331 A total of 4294 submissions!! The URL is - http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbdm/ Cheers Sue Lund

Steve It will be whatever the lady chose to call herself. In my own personal experience this has usually - but not always - been her married name. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Farmer" <steve@hts.com.au> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 07 August 2001 07:21 Subject: Census listings > Hi all, > > I'm back after a raft of technical problems have been sorted out. > > I was recently looking at the 1851 census for Bute and I am wondering > .. when a woman is shown as a widow do they list her maiden name or > married name? > > It seems to be maiden name. > > Regards > Steve > --

Lucy, It looks as if HUNTER was a fairly well-established name on Bute and also Cumbrae and Arran. A search of the 1881 census CD for Hunter in Bute throws up 147 individuals. The book "Bute and Arran Monumental Inscriptions pre 1855" has 15 or so Rothesay MIs which mention the name Hunter, three at Kingarth, more than 40 at Cumbrae, and a handful in the Arran graveyards. Do you have any clues to try identify your family? I am not researching the name, but have a few random references, including a news item in the Buteman newspaper (October 1871) referring to a vote to replace the late lamented Dr Charles McLAUGHLIN as medical officer for the North Bute Parochial Board. Drs HAY and HUNTER were proposed to fill the vacancy. Dr Hay (11votes) Dr Hunter (10 votes). An 1869 Buteman report of a gathering of Bute natives in Australia to celebrate the coming of age of the Marquess of Bute mentions Mr James HUNTER [son of the late Mr Robert Hunter, heritor, Rothesay]. I can send you a fuller version of the report if you like, or you should be able to find it in the list archives. Good luck, Madeleine In a message dated 8/7/01 6:07:16 AM GMT Daylight Time, sjhunter@nwc.net.au writes: << My name is Lucy HUNTER and I am new to this list . My interests are in the HUNTER family of Bute . My main problem is I know little of their history so I guess my 1st question is are there many HUNTERS on Bute and maybe try to go from there . I know starting like this is like looking for a needle in a haystack , I just have to start somewhere . >>

Hi Martyn and all As I need to clear up a potential misunderstanding here, I'm responding to the list. I was not specifically referring to four subscribers being bounced, the four relates only to the number of consecutive bounced messages per subscriber before the axe falls :-( . The three who unfortunately did get bounced off this week were using three different ISP's and none used MSN. In fact of the 150 + present subscribers, you are the only one still with MSN - could be a message there ? The last bounces from you were 11/6 and 31/7 - single bounces only - with no consecutive bounces. So with more mail gone out since 31/7 - your bounce counter for this list will have been reset to zero. regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: Martyn Taylor <martyntaylor@email.msn.com> To: ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, 5 August 2001 20:32 Subject: Re: Bounced subscribers [was Sunday morning musings #115] >Peter > >Were the four bounced subscribers predominantly subscribers with *.msn >addresses? I was bounced from about four lists several weeks ago, although >the problem was with changes that msn were introducing on all accounts and >not with an overfull mail box or with me (Because many messages from these >lists *were* getting through, I had no way of knowing that others weren't.) >My only remedy was to resubscribe, but the loss of unknown numbers of >messages was an irritation. > >I thought things had improved, but yesterday I was bounced from the Argyll >List - but not Bute - in similar circumstances, and I have had to >resubscribe there. > >It's a forlorn hope, I suspect, but, if the problem is mainly with msn, is >there any way in which the "bounce count" for msn subscribers can be set >higher? (I don't think the msn helpline is going to help me with this >problem.) > >Martyn SNIP

Peter Thanks for the quick reply. Clearly my recent concerns are not justified, so far as the Bute List is concerned. I aired them with you and with the List because, in the case of my recent bounce from the Argyll List which I mentioned, both of the accounts stated to have been bounced were msn subscribers. From what you say, it sounds as if msn is now an unfashionable ISP - I take your hint <g>. Regrettably that's what my supplier recommended when I first went onto email as a total novice and, with my (improved but still extremely patchy) IT knowhow now, I fear the hassle of a change of ISP even more than I fear the consequences of staying put. (There comes an age when brain cells soften and people start to think like this <vbg>.) I'll have to keep my fingers crossed, but thanks again. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Cook" <cookfmly@bigpond.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 05 August 2001 17:07 Subject: Re: Bounced subscribers > Hi Martyn and all > > As I need to clear up a potential misunderstanding here, I'm > responding to the list. > > I was not specifically referring to four subscribers being bounced, > the four relates only to the number of consecutive bounced messages > per subscriber before the axe falls :-( . > > The three who unfortunately did get bounced off this week were using > three different ISP's and none used MSN. In fact of the 150 + present > subscribers, you are the only one still with MSN - could be a message > there ? > > The last bounces from you were 11/6 and 31/7 - single bounces only - > with no consecutive bounces. So with more mail gone out since 31/7 - > your bounce counter for this list will have been reset to zero.

Peter Were the four bounced subscribers predominantly subscribers with *.msn addresses? I was bounced from about four lists several weeks ago, although the problem was with changes that msn were introducing on all accounts and not with an overfull mail box or with me (Because many messages from these lists *were* getting through, I had no way of knowing that others weren't.) My only remedy was to resubscribe, but the loss of unknown numbers of messages was an irritation. I thought things had improved, but yesterday I was bounced from the Argyll List - but not Bute - in similar circumstances, and I have had to resubscribe there. It's a forlorn hope, I suspect, but, if the problem is mainly with msn, is there any way in which the "bounce count" for msn subscribers can be set higher? (I don't think the msn helpline is going to help me with this problem.) Martyn ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Cook" <cookfmly@bigpond.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 05 August 2001 05:24 Subject: Sunday morning musings #115 <snip> > There have been several subscribers 'bounced off' this week - slightly > above the normal rate. A reminder that the bounce count for this list > is set at four. So, if you for whatever reason, leave your mailbox > full for longer than the time it takes to generate 4 list messages if > in List Mode, or 4 digests if in Digest mode (basically the same time > for the amount of mail on this list), your subscription is > automatically cancelled. <snip>

No new subscribers this week. There have been several subscribers 'bounced off' this week - slightly above the normal rate. A reminder that the bounce count for this list is set at four. So, if you for whatever reason, leave your mailbox full for longer than the time it takes to generate 4 list messages if in List Mode, or 4 digests if in Digest mode (basically the same time for the amount of mail on this list), your subscription is automatically cancelled. If you miss this weekly post, then you should check your subscription - just resubscribe - if you are still on the list, you will be told (the system is now intelligent enough NOT to subscribe you again). if not you will get the standard message saying you have been added to the list. ****** ****** ****** On the subject of the Sircam worm, Jennie McKie had this to say ... "I have never had a virus or worm before, but so far have been sent half a dozen copies of the Sircam worm message. Luckily I had read about this link in the weekly LangaList email http://www.woram.com/zips/surkam.zip If you go to this link and download the v small file, it will check for presence of Sircam worm automatically, and if found there is another programme to click which will remove it. If you don't know Fred Langa's site, go to www.langa.com good stuff " +++ +++ +++ This beastie could become a menace, as the size of the file chosen by the worm for attachment and dispatch seems to be incrementing as the worm grows older - the latest copy I received had a 675Kb attachment. With messages that size, mail boxes will fill quite quickly :-( ****** ****** ****** The RootsWeb crash this week (2nd/3rd) scuppered my message on the validity of the 'i need sum info' message. Suffice to say I believe it was a genuine attempt to gain assistance - it was not repeated on neighbouring boards that I checked. So if you can help, but have been holding off, please consider doing so. If nothing else, this post gives food for thought on the changing communication scene - this one message posted on a site in the US by someone in NZ, went out to 150+ list members via the gateway in a matter of minutes, to be sitting in their mailboxes all around the globe probably within an hour. Multiply that by the 20,000 RootsWeb based lists with anywhere from a dozen to a thousand+ subscribers. Multiply that by all the other mailing lists and newsgroups. Most of our pre 1900 ancestors would shake their heads in disbelief at our antics - sitting in front of a 'light box', tapping on keys, cursing Windoze ... ancestors of Mac users would marvel at the multi coloured see through light box ... sending messages through 'wires' or 'optical cables' !???# Does anyone work ? sleep ?. So how was that message for cousin 'John' on the mainland sent ? A quick check of the list archive will bring up a message giving details of meetings held on Arran in the late 1700's about the provision of a paquet boat to improve communications between that island and Ayrshire. This was eventually in place in the early 1800's - not exactly fast implementation by todays standards - then there's the difference in life expectancy to factor into the equation as well. But that's another topic for another week. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Is anyone researching the BELL family of Kingarth? My great-grandmother's sister Janet McFIE married Malcolm Bell and Robert McFie (her brother) married Euphemia Bell (Malcolm's sister) in 1877. The Bell siblings are children of Flora CURRIE and Duncan Bell. Flora, I believe, is the daughter of Gilbert Currie and Effy McKINNON, both born Skipness, Kintyre, but living at Kingarth from at least 1841. My father's cousin, now in his 80s, remembers staying with Bell relatives at Kingarth when he was a boy. I'd be interested in comparing notes with Bell researchers, Madeleine

In case I muck up the reply to address, please reply to Ann at the address below Peter List maintainer -----Original Message----- From: Ann Amor <annie@amora.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Friday, 3 August 2001 01:51 Subject: Bute Archives Having seen your name on the Ayrshire website I hope you don't mind me asking you a question? My family ancestors were the brothers who owned J and M Craig (Kilmarnock) Ltd and were in business from early 1800s up until 1923. They made the tiles and decorative edgings for the Gents Victorian toilets on the pier at Rothesay, and indeed there is still a tile detailing their name on the far wall. My question is - are there any archives I could access that may outline the planning, costing, purchase or any other details from when this work would have been commissioned? I believe they were built in 1899 to encourage visitors. Unfortunately J and M did not provide the sanitaryware which was their main product at that time. I am writing a book documenting their progress over the century and would be most graateful if you could send me in the right direction towards any surviving records. Thank you for any help you can give me to progress. Ann Amor

>From : LoOnYcHiCk_256@hotmail.com To : ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com >Subject : i need sum info Date : 1 Aug 2001 01:05:18 -0600 >hi im doing a big study at school about new zealand immigration andf >about >why people want to move to nz and wot changes they had to make >so can u >email me and answer my questions thankyou Is this a valid email sent to the list or someone trying to collect live email addresses to send junk mail too? I would be very wary. Cyndy (in Ireland) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

> From: LoOnYcHiCk_256@hotmail.com > To: ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com > > hi im doing a big study at school about new zealand immigration andf > about why people want to move to nz and wot changes they had to make > so can u email me and answer my questions thankyou Obviously, for the superior education available there.

hi im doing a big study at school about new zealand immigration andf about why people want to move to nz and wot changes they had to make so can u email me and answer my questions thankyou

Sorry it has been so long since I last posted any of these but work seems to have got in the way of the important stuff. Hope you find something useful amongst the following. Cheers, Bill Heir Details Date Served Monthly number Bannatyne - John Gardener at Kames, Bute, to his cousin Alexander Bannatyne, Seedsman, Glasgow – Heir General dated 18th November 1790 1791, Jan. 19 9 Bannatyne – William McLeod Advocate, to his uncle James Bannatyne of Kaimes, who died 29th November 1786 – Heir of Line and Provision Special in the Barony of Kaimes, including Edinbog, Edinmore, Kilmahalmag, etc – Buteshire – dated 16th April 1787 1787 May 28 34 Bannatyne – William McLeod Above designed, to his Uncle James Bannatyne of Kaimes – Heir of line and Provision General dated 16th April 1787 1787 May 28 35 Brown - Adam In Blarmore in Arran, to his Cousin Duncan Hendry, , Shipmaster in Campbelton, who died – 1766 – Heir Portioner of Line Special, in a House and Ground in Campbelton – Argyleshire – dated 22nd August 1781 1781 Oct. 22 15 Bute, Earl of – John To his father John, Earl of Bute, who died 10th March 1792 – Heir Male Special, in the Earldom and Regality of Bute in the Islands of Bute and Arran, with the Keepership of Rothesay Castle etc. – Buteshire – dated 11th September 1792 1792, Oct. 19 18 Bute, Earl of – John To his Father John, Earl of Bute – Heir of Line General- dated 11th September 1792 1792, Oct. 19 19 Crawford – John Weaver in Rothesay to his mother Ann Guilliland – Heir General – dated 25th July 1794 1794 Aug. 5 6 Cunninghame – Anne – (or Johnston) Wife of John Johnston, Shipmaster in Rothesay, to her Father James Cunninghame of Swineridgemuir, who died 4 years before the date of Service – Heir Portioner Special, in the 6s 8d land of Swineridgemuir – Ayrshire – dated 3rd March 1789 [one of 7 daughters, the only one living in Buteshire] 1789 April 13 12 Fisher – James To his father Peter Fisher, Farmer in Bute – Heir General – dated 30th May 1797 1797 July 20 17 Gillies – John Merchant in Rothesay, to his Brother Archibald Gillies, Shipmaster there – Heir of Conquest General – dated 16th February 1793 1793 March 8 14 MacConachy – Bannatyne To his Grandfather James MacConachy of Ambrisbeg – Heir General – dated 2nd May 1798 1798 Nov. 12 14 MacConachy - James Of Ambrisbeg, to his Grandfather James MacConachy, who died – 1701 – Heir Special, in the two and a half Merk Lands of Ambrisbeg, in the Island of Bute, Buteshire – dated 18th November 1790 1790 Dec. 4 4 McAlister – Flora – (or Hendry) Widow of Donald McAlister in Pain, in the Island of Arran, to her nephew Duncan Hendry, Shipmaster in Campbelton, who died – 1766 – Heir Portioner of Line Special, in a House and Ground in Campbelton – Argyleshire – dated 22nd August 1781 1781 Oct. 22 15 McKechany – Alexander Ship-carpenter, Port Glasgow to his Grandfather Alexander McKechany, Cooper, Rothesay – Heir General – dated 16th March 17822 1782 Mar 25 16 McNeill – John Of Craig, Ballintoy, Antrim, to his father John McNeill, Merchant, Rothesay – Heir Male and of Provision General – dated 18th May 1780 1780 July 10 6 McNeill – Robert Wright in Rothesay, to his Father Robert McNeill there – Heir General dated 16th February 1793 1793 March 8 11 McNicoll – Duncan Excise Officer, Cowal, to his Father Alexander McNicoll, Excise Officer, Arran – Heir of Line General – dated 11th September 1792 1792 Oct. 4 2 Moncrieff – Christina – (or Kerr) Wife of Rt. Kerr, Commander H.E.I.C.S. (Ship ‘Princess Royal’), to her Son Thomas Kerr – Heir of Provision General – 15th May 1795 1795 May 23 24 [The above may not be Buteshire related however a vessel of this name was used for fisheries excise duties there in the early 1800s.] Nisbet – Andrew Ship Carpenter in Rothesay, to his Mother Jean MacKie, Wife of Alex. Nisbet, Merchant, Glasgow – Heir General dated 28th January 1791 1791 Mar. 30 35 Thomson – James Coachmaker in London, to his Uncle Alexander Thomson, Bute Pursuivant – Heir General – dated 5th February 1789 1789 Feb. 10 14 Thomson – James Above designed to his Father James Thomson, Messenger in Edinburgh – Heir General – dated 5th February 1789 1789 Feb. 10 15 Wood – James To his Father Henry Wood, Merchant, Burgess of Rothesay – Heir General – dated 26th January 1782 1782 Feb. 1 1

Thanks for the kind welcome to the list. To introduce myself, I will tell that I am retired and living in Renfrewshire, not too many miles from my childhood hometown of Greenock. I am trying to trace the forebears of Ann (Annie) Kelso who married Thomas Roxburgh in Lannimore/Lenimore Church, Kilmory, in December 1863. She had a brother Charles who is recorded in the 1881 Census as a shepherd in Laggan, and she was also aunt to Robert Kelso, who is entered in the 1891 Census as a Sailor (aged 36), possessed of a wife Jessie and two sons Malcolm and Walter. I suspect that details of Ann Kelso's parents or grandparents may give some pointers to the source of the name Cook, which first appeared in our family through one of her sons. Any help from any quarter would be appreciated. Jack Roxburgh

Welcome to Bill Murphy and "GenealJack" who have joined this week, and welcome back to Betty Candy and Richard MacNeil who rejoin us after short breaks. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Further to my message re the SirCam virus - further reports indicate that this worm generates attachment files which are over 100K in size. I've had two - not from subscribers to this list I hasten to add - one was 185K the other 214K. Another minus for this particular beast ie, it will be eating up download time and storage space at ISP's worldwide until its effect dies down. To be safe, irrespective of size - DO NOT open unsolicited attachments. If not sure save them, scan them with an up to date anti virus package. If still unsure delete them. ****** ****** ****** This may be of interest to subscribers with Irish links. NB it "is for tombstones NOT located in Ireland which indicate a place of origin in Ireland." .... " ***************************************************** The IrelandGenWeb Project is pleased to announce that the SHAMROCK Tombstone Transcription Project is now an official part of the IrelandGenWeb Project as a Special Project. Please see below for a description of the project. SHAMROCK Tombstone Transcription Project http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/tombstones IrelandGenWeb Project http://www.irelandgenweb.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Often the tombstones of persons born in Ireland will list their birthplace in Ireland on the stone. This can often provide the needed clue to continue a family history study in Ireland. SHAMROCK listmembers began contributing tombstone transcriptions which they have found in their own research, either of their own family members or just of tombstones they have come across while doing their research. Originally, these were transcribed to a webpage, but we quickly realized this project had the possibility of growing very large, and so in May of 2001 arrangements were made to transfer this project to a board where persons could enter their own data, and which would be searchable. This also will help guarantee that the data will always be available to researchers. You do not have to be a SHAMROCK listmember to contribute to this project! What is this transcription project for? ------------------------------------------------- This project is for tombstones NOT located in Ireland which indicate a place of origin in Ireland. These may be in your family, or may be just tombstones you have come across while searching a cemetery for your own ancestors. Have you come across a tombstone which shows a place of origin in Ireland, whether it is your family or not? If you have, please consider listing it in this project..... it just may provide a needed clue to someone else. What is not acceptable in this project? --------------------------------------------------- It is NOT acceptable to take information already published in a copyrighted book or article and place this on the transcription board. Please obey copyright laws! Any transcription found to violate copyright will be removed from the board. Only tombstones NOT located in Ireland should be included. **This project is NOT for transcribing tombstones from cemeteries within Ireland itself, or for asking for lookups or information on cemeteries or for general queries. Please do not submit tombstone data which do not meet this criteria. Inappropriate postings will be removed from the board without notice. To view or add to the transcriptions, visit http://community.webtv.net/shamrockroots/tombstones Maura Petzolt SHAMROCK Tombstone Transcription Project Carol Hepburn IrelandGenWeb Project National Coordinator ***************************************************** " ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Yet again a major virus / worm is doing the rounds. Firstly a reassurance that you will NOT receive attachments via any RootsWeb based list. The latest is known as "W32 Sircam", and is in the 'high risk' category, however e-mail users can only be infected if they open the attachment. As usual, what it comes down to is - practice safe E-mail habits :- DO NOT open attachments, no matter how enticing, without checking them with an up to date anti-virus program. If in doubt - delete. Some of this latest crop will be identified as "corrupt" by some AV program's - take that as being an aptly named warning - open it and that's what it will do to your PC. Take it also as a warning that you need to update your AV program - the version being run in this case has identified that something is amiss, but is not up to date enough to clearly identify the specific problem. Finally, a reminder : please NO messages to the list on virus warnings, as always send details to me first off list - I will announce relevant details, as in this case. regards Peter Cook List maintainer and co-host with Barbara <babrown@fast.net> of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list. > > > > >==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== >********************************************************************* ** >The Buteshire GenWeb page is at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/ > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Bill, A good place to start for a background on Rothesay in the 1800s are the statistical accounts for Scotland. The following address gets you there and you can select the parish and the particular records of either 1791 or 1845. http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi If you are lucky, your Malcolm will have emigrated after the 1851 census and you might be able to get family details from that. The film of these you can get through your nearest LDS Family history centre - takes about three weeks as they have to come from Australia Happy hunting Bill McK. Queenstown NZ

My g/Grandfather was Malcolm McIntyre born in Rothsay Scotland in abt1832 Migrated to N.Z.1851 died Nelson Creek N.Z. 1899.would like any information also any information on Rothsay in the 1800s