The people I am researching are: William BLAIR b. abt 1795 Jean BLAIR(nee ?) b. abt 1807 Alexander BLAIR b. abt 1833 Marion BLAIR b. abt 1835 Ann BLAIR b. abt 1836 appeared in 1851 census in Kilmory parish book 9 page 7. Actual places of birth and occupations unknown. Maiden name of Jean BLAIR also unknown at this stage. ----- Original Message ----- From: MrsIMacleod@aol.com To: jenniehardie@xtra.co.nz Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:56 PM Subject: Re: New list member In a message dated 8/10/01 2:06:45 AM GMT Daylight Time, jenniehardie@xtra.co.nz writes: My name is Jennie Hardie and I live in Palmerston North, New Zealand. I am a full-time student at Massey University completing my B.A.(Ed.) in June next year, and work part-time as well. I am researching the BLAIR family along with another cousin. Our understanding is they came from Bute. Any help from this list would be greatly appreciated Hi Jennie We need dates and first names to see if we can help Irene

New to this list, trying to make a contact. I have just e-mailed a Robert Bowes whose message re the above families appeared on this list in May 2001. Unfortunately, as his address was One Tel, it bounced. If Robert is still subscribed to this list, would he please contact me offlist. Jo Keen, Tasmania.

Hello My name is Jennie Hardie and I live in Palmerston North, New Zealand. I am a full-time student at Massey University completing my B.A.(Ed.) in June next year, and work part-time as well. I am researching the BLAIR family along with another cousin. Our understanding is they came from Bute. Any help from this list would be greatly appreciated. Jennie

Hi all, I would just like to say many thanks to those who helped me navigate my way through this pretty tricky exercise. Regards Steve -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT PEARSE - Somerset, ENG LAWSON - Scandinavia FRIEND - Sussex, ENG SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG McLACHLAN - Argyll, SCT BOUNDS - ENG From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Society of Australian Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

In a message dated 8/10/01 10:56:45 AM GMT Daylight Time, jenniehardie@xtra.co.nz writes: > The people I am researching are: > > William BLAIR b. abt 1795 > Jean BLAIR(nee ?) b. abt 1807 > Alexander BLAIR b. abt 1833 > Marion BLAIR b. abt 1835 > Ann BLAIR b. abt 1836 > > appeared in 1851 census in Kilmory parish book 9 page 7. Actual places of > birth and occupations unknown. Maiden name of Jean BLAIR also unknown at > this stage. > Hi In my fiche index of that census all of them are marked with an asterisk which means they were born outside the county of Bute. I think you have no option but to look at the original entry of the 1851 census (see the film at your nearest LDS family history centre) and discover where all five were born. There is no Blair gravestone in Kilmory churchyard. Irene

Good morning, A Mystery that we've been trying to solve for the past 20 years. My gggrandfather was a Thomas Stuart - his family Bible says that he was born 12 Jan 1827. His death cert. says Rothesay, Bute. Parents unknown. He was in Australia by Oct 1855, when he married. Obit says that he was in the 'Navy' as a young man. Somehow he is connected to the Peacock family from the previous message. With a name like Stuart, it makes our search very hard. Couldn't find him on the 1841 Census, but I'm redoing this when the film comes in as last looked 15 yrs ago. Our only clues: 1. He was in the Navy sometime between 1837-1855 Merchant or Royal ? ? ? 2. His birth date being 12 Jan 1827 3. Rothesay, Bute - born there or spent time as a child ? We have exhausted the Oz records & reles. Any suggestions? Bonnie Bean QLD - Australia yvonneb@bit.net.au

Good morning, Looking for the Peacock family in Bute - think they go back into Renfrew. William Peacock married Mary Ann Currie Stralachlan Argyll Chn: Alexander bapt 9 Jun 1823 ditto William " 4 Nov 1827 ditto Walter " 16 Jan 1832 ditto The family, minus William sen & William jnr are in the 1841 Census of Rothesay, Bute. William sen. is still in Argyll in this Census. Alexander mar Ann Armour Jun 1846 in Greenock, RFW Chn: Alexander Curry bapt 23 Jan 1848 Free Church, Rothesay " Andrew Sharp ? " Mary McMillan ? Then the above come to Australia. Looking for the other of the above children's births. The LDS have only filmed to 1849 of the Free Church in Rothesay. Any ideas anyone ? ? ? Bonnie Bean QLD - Australia yvonneb@bit.net.au

Hi Irene, At 6:32 AM -0400 9/8/01, MrsIMacleod@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 8/9/01 11:25:43 AM GMT Daylight Time, steve@hts.com.au >writes: > >>and my birth is in 1834 !! >> > > >but in your original mail you said >OPR, Birth, Male, >21 Oct 1853, > >so that is what I looked up. 1853 not 1834. Ooooppppss :( My mistake it is 1853 ! By searching on the website, your # refers to a set of 36 Films, whereas the other number refers to a single film and refers to post 1855 events. The changeover point is 1855. The website allows one to view all the sets or records in the set of films and find the appropriate film numbers. So i have narrowed it down to Film # 1042941 Baptisms for 1846-1854 Church of Scotland, Glasgow. > >For 1834 births the books gives 1830-34 as 102919 and 1834 - 40 102920 Interestingly, both of these numbers bring me back to the same set of 36 films and then by clicking "View Film Notes" one can peruse the contents of all the rolls in the set and select the appropriate one. > >I don't understand why you need a batch number. Only if you are trying to search the index on the website. >Here in UK we order the film >and then sit and look through it for the entry. Yes that's what I intend to do... SAG has a service whereby they will get LDS films for members and hold them at "Rumsey Hall" where I can go and look at it for a few weeks. > >Irene Thanks for your help, the book you sounds worthwhile having Regards Steve -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG DUNN - Lanarkshire , SCT LAWSON - AUS, ENG FRIEND - Sussex, ENG LOSEBY - AUS, ENG WYLIE - Perthshire , SCT RICHARDS - Devon, ENG PEARSE - Somerset, ENG BOUNDS - AUS EGAN - Galway, IRE From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Australian Society of Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

Hi Anne & Irene, Anne (Anne.Burgess@btinternet.com) wrote: > >The numbers are derived from the numbering used by the GROS. They started in >Shetland with district No 1, and worked southwards. In certain large towns >and cities they subdivided them, so Aberdeen is 168.x, Dundee is 292.x, >Edinburgh is 685.x and Glasgow 644.xx > >The LDS batch numbers on the IGI are usually made up of a C (christening) or >M (marriage) then a number which has 11, then the district number without >the decimal point, so in this case I'd expect it to be 116441. > >You can also look up the batch number and film number on the IGI online by >finding the individual entry and noting the details given there. > >Anne Irene (MrsIMacleod@aol.com) wrote: >I have a book called 'Key to the Parochial Registers of Scotland' by V Ben >Bloxham which says under Glasgow (644-1) Lanarkshire Births 1850-54 102923 >I think this last number is the number of the LDS film you should order but >you should be able to check when you go to your nearest LDS centre. Well this gets more interesting by the minute !! Using Annes method comes up with film #6035516, which apparently has a date range of 1855-1871 or thereabouts and my birth is in 1834 !! There are quite a few other FARMERS in this batch however. The film # that Irene gave me from the Book is 102923, this is apparently is Old parochial registers, 1612-1854 Church of Scotland (Glasgow). I can't search on this film number without a batch number, so I don't know if any FARMERS are on it, but I suspect that they are. So there is a date difference between the LDS & the GRO by the look of it. The other interesting thing is that I cannot find this 1834 birth on the IGI at all. Thanks for all your help... Regards Steve Farmer -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG DUNN - Lanarkshire , SCT LAWSON - AUS, ENG FRIEND - Sussex, ENG LOSEBY - AUS, ENG WYLIE - Perthshire , SCT RICHARDS - Devon, ENG PEARSE - Somerset, ENG BOUNDS - AUS EGAN - Galway, IRE From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Australian Society of Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

My great grandmother was Sarah McCurdy dau of Tempest Tucker McCurdy b.3/16/1802, Adams Co., Pa m Eliza Ann McClarin 10/26/1843 Homes Co., Ohio d September 18, 1865. Parents Robert b.abt 1760 Adams or York, Pa d.12/1811 in Adams Co., Pa and Elizabeth Tucker McCurdy. I have a workup by Eugene Sneary of the Gilkrist, the Chieftain b. ca1500 down thru 15 generations. I have some history on Tempests brother, John. email 45yrkks@jbntelco.com

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Dear Steve There are a lot of discrepancies between the IGI and GRO - less than half my direct line ancestors show up on IGI. Often just one of a generation is there while the rest for some reason aren't , although they are clearly listed in the OPRs. The time to worry, perhaps, is if your ancestors show up on IGI and don't in the OPRs.... Jennie Macfie

Hi All, I have had difficulty getting an answer to this question so I have posted this to 3 lists ! I have found some entires on the Scots GRO which are OPR entries. They have "FR" references which are described by the GRO FAQ page as ... "These are references to the microfilm created by the LDS Church from the original OPR registers, and appear in the top right corner of the microfilm frames." In addition the Code on the GRO index are supposed to point one to the appropriate LDS film... to quote the GRO FAQ again.... "OPR Codes Code 1: = parish code This is equivalent to the Parish Name shown in the index record Code 2: = parish suffix Not always present. An additional index term for locating the relevant register. Code 3: = film number The identifier of the microfilm roll containing the relevant register images. " I have a few entries for which I would like to get the LDS film, for example... OPR, Birth, Male, 21 Oct 1853, FARMER William, Father = William FARMER, Mother =Christina DUNN, District = GLASGOW, OPR County =, Misc = FR6455, GRO_CODE_1 = 644, GRO_CODE_2 = 1, GRO_CODE_3 = 39* (Their asterisk, I don't know what it means), GRO_CODE_4 = 18" Can anyone help me with how to find what LDS film i need to order to see these OPR entries? I'm stuck I must admit !! Regards Steve Farmer -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG DUNN - Lanarkshire , SCT LAWSON - AUS, ENG FRIEND - Sussex, ENG LOSEBY - AUS, ENG WYLIE - Perthshire , SCT RICHARDS - Devon, ENG PEARSE - Somerset, ENG BOUNDS - AUS EGAN - Galway, IRE From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Australian Society of Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

In a message dated 8/9/01 11:25:43 AM GMT Daylight Time, steve@hts.com.au writes: > and my birth is in 1834 !! > but in your original mail you said OPR, Birth, Male, 21 Oct 1853, so that is what I looked up. 1853 not 1834. For 1834 births the books gives 1830-34 as 102919 and 1834 - 40 102920 I don't understand why you need a batch number. Here in UK we order the film and then sit and look through it for the entry. Irene

In a message dated 8/9/01 2:22:24 AM GMT Daylight Time, steve@hts.com.au writes: > OPR, Birth, Male, > 21 Oct 1853, > FARMER William, > Father = William FARMER, > Mother =Christina DUNN, > District = GLASGOW, > OPR County =, > Misc = FR6455, > GRO_CODE_1 = 644, > GRO_CODE_2 = 1, > GRO_CODE_3 = 39* (Their asterisk, I don't know what it means), > GRO_CODE_4 = 18" > > Can anyone help me with how to find what LDS film i need to order to > see these OPR entries? Hi Steve I think there is a website somewhere to check films numbers. The FR frame number is not relevant until you actually have the film...... it is brilliant when you have a film of an old OPR with illegible handwriting ..... then you only have to decipher one frame. But you shouldn't have that problem in 1853. 644/1 is the GRO reference number for Glasgow. Perhaps the other numbers are on the film and help you to find the right part. I have a book called 'Key to the Parochial Registers of Scotland' by V Ben Bloxham which says under Glasgow (644-1) Lanarkshire Births 1850-54 102923 I think this last number is the number of the LDS film you should order but you should be able to check when you go to your nearest LDS centre. Irene

HI all, Can anyone tell me which Bute censuses are indexed? I know the 1851 & 1891 ones ares, how about '41 etc. Regards Steve -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG DUNN - Lanarkshire , SCT LAWSON - AUS, ENG FRIEND - Sussex, ENG LOSEBY - AUS, ENG WYLIE - Perthshire , SCT RICHARDS - Devon, ENG PEARSE - Somerset, ENG BOUNDS - AUS EGAN - Galway, IRE From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Australian Society of Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

From the query board - Please use the link to reply ... Link : http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=localities.britis hisles.scotland.but.general&m=425 -----Original Message----- From: Hallofnamesflorida@prodigy.net <Hallofnamesflorida@prodigy.net> To: Bute Scotland Query Board Date: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 01:12 Subject: Re: Seeking family > > >my mothers name was Isabel "Baxter" Brackenridge, I am uncertain who her father was, I do beleive it is quite common among the scottish and the spanish to include the father and mothers name for a child. She was from Rothesay, her mother was Rebecca Colquhoun >

From the query board - Please use the link to reply ... Link : http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p=localities.britis les.scotland.but.general&m=424 -----Original Message----- From: hallofnamesflorida@prodigy.net <hallofnamesflorida@prodigy.net> To: Bute Scotland Query Board Date: Tuesday, 7 August 2001 01:11 Subject: Colquhouns > >reposting my intersts, Any connections, with Catherine Wallace Colquhoun, married to a William Brackenridge/Breckinridge am also interested in Marsh or Brackenridge >

Hi all, I'm back after a raft of technical problems have been sorted out. I was recently looking at the 1851 census for Bute and I am wondering .. when a woman is shown as a widow do they list her maiden name or married name? It seems to be maiden name. Regards Steve -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG DUNN - Lanarkshire , SCT LAWSON - AUS, ENG FRIEND - Sussex, ENG LOSEBY - AUS, ENG WYLIE - Perthshire , SCT RICHARDS - Devon, ENG PEARSE - Somerset, ENG BOUNDS - AUS EGAN - Galway, IRE From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Australian Society of Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

As there were comparatively few entries for Buteshire for this period, 80 years worth of records are combined here. The pre. 1700 Retours are in Latin so this is as far back as I am going but if anyone wants individual name look-ups, let me know. Bill Heir served Details Date of Service Monthly number Bannatine – John Of Scabron, to his Uncle William Bannatine of Scabron who died – May 1672 – Heir Special in Scabron in the Island of Bute – Buteshire – dated 2nd January 1700 1700 March 6 5 Bannatyne – Hector Of Kaims, to his Great-great-Grandfather Hector Bannatyne of Kaims – Heir Special in Lubasbeg, Lubasmore, one half of North Garrachtie, Bruchag, etc. – Buteshire – dated 24th October 1723 1723 Nov. 25 18 Bannatyne – Hector Of Kaimes, to his Grandfather Hector Bannatyne of Kaimes – Heir General – dated 12th September 1702 1702 Sept. 28 14 Bannatyne – Hector Of Kaimes, to his Father Ninian Bannatyne of Kaimes – Heir General – dated 12th September 1702 1702 Sept. 28 16 Bannatyne – James Of Kaimes, to his Father Hector Bannatyne of Kaimes who died – August 1730 – Heir Male and of Line Special in the Lands, Mill, and Mill Lands of Kaimes, and in Edinmore, Acholter, etc – Buteshire – dated 7th April 1731 1732 Sept. 7 3 Bannatyne – James Of Kaimes, to his Father Hector Bannatyne of Kaimes – Heir General – dated 7th April 1731 1732 Sept. 9 4 Bannatyne – Robert Of Loubass, to his Grandfather Robert Bannatyne of Loubass who died - - - Heir Special in Loubassmore and Loubassbeg in the Island of Bute – dated 31st July 1707 1708 July 16 9 Boyd – John At Lochranza in Arran, to his Uncle Colin Campbell of Skipness – Heir of Line General – dated 3rd May 1779 1779 Mar 12 10 Boyd – John Above designed, to his grandfather Angus Campbell of Skipness - Heir of Line General – dated 3rd May 1779 1779 Mar 12 11 Braidfoot – Jean – (or Pate) Wife of Jas. Braidfoot Plasterer Douglas, to her Brother John Pate Sheriff Clerk of Bute – Heir Portioner General – dated 11th December 1744 1745 April 10 14 Bute, Earl of - James To his Father James Earl of Bute – Heir General – dated 1st December 1711 1711 Dec. 11 3 Bute, Earl of - James To his Father James Earl of Bute who died – June 1710 Heir Male Special in Ardmaleish, Greenan, etc. Buteshire; and 10,000 merks over Toward-fleeming, etc. Argyleshire – dated 9th June 1712 1712 Aug. 5 2 Bute, Earl of – John To his Father James Earl of Bute who died 1723 – Heir Male Special in the Earldom of Bute including Ardmaleish, Invermernock, Rothesay, etc. Buteshire: and Killmorys, Kirriefairnie, etc. – Argyllshire – dated 24th October 1723 1723 Nov. 2 1 Bute, Earl of – John To his Father James Earl of Bute – Heir General - dated 24th October 1723 1723 Nov. 2 2 Eglinton, Earl of - Archibald To his Brother Alexander Earl of Eglinton, who died 24th October 1769 – Heir of Tail. Special, in the Earldom of Eglinton etc. - Ayrshire; Eastwood etc. – Renfrewshire; & Lochransay & Sannox in Arran – dated 5th March 1770 1770 March 31 23 Forrest – Ann – (or Pate) Wife of Jas. Forrest, Merchant, Douglas, to her Brother John Pate Sheriff – Clerk of Bute – Heir Portioner General – dated 11th December 1744 1745 April 10 14 Ker – Robert Portioner of Barnald, to his Father John Ker who died 10th November 1696 – Heir Special in half of Barnald in the Island of Bute – dated 19th June 1706 1708 May 3 2 Ker – Robert To his Father John Ker formerly a Bailie of Rothesay – Heir General – dated 3rd October 1707 1707 Nov. 1 2 McArthur – Archibald – (now Stewart) Of Ascog, Advocate, to Mary Stewart of Ascog – Heir of Taillie and Provision General – dated 19th January 1775 1775 Jan. 27 27 McLeod – Hugh Son of Robert McLeod, House Painter, Maryland, to his Gduncle Dugald McKinlay, Rothesay – Heir General dated 24th August 1750 1750 Nov. 13 7 McNeill – John Of Kilmorie, to his Father Robert McNeill of Kilmorie who died – April 1726 – Heir Special in Nether Kilmorie or Kilmorie-McNeill, and in half of Ballycurry – Buteshire – dated 27th February 1733 1733 March 15 8 Murray – John – (or Stewart) Of Blackbarony, Formerly John Stewart of Ascog, to his Father John Stewart of Ascog, Advocate- Heir General – dated 19th January 1751 1751 Jan. 29 28 Robertson – John Doctor of Medicine in Islay, to his Brother Duncan Robertson, Surgeon, Rothesay – Heir of Conquest General – dated 29th September 1777 1777 Oct. 11 9 Stewart – James To his Father John Stewart of Ascog Advocate – Heir of Provision General – dated 30th May 1713 1713 June 10 1 Stewart – Janet Widow of Archibald Stewart, Late Surveyor of Customs in the Island of Cumbray, to her Brother John Stewart of Kildonan, who died June 1735 – Heir Special, in Kildonan in Arran, with the Isle of Pladda – Buteshire – dated 12th January 1764 1764 Feb. 21 14 Stewart – John Of Ascog, to his Father John Stewart of Ascog Advocate – Heir Male General – dated 3rd April 1731 1731 April 12 7 Stewart – John To his Mother Christian McDouall (Wife of James Stewart of Quochay) who died January 1712 – Heir Special in Kildonan, etc. in Arran with the Isle of Plodda – Buteshire – dated 29th September 1713 1714 July 1 1 Stewart – Mary Of Ascog, to her Brother John Murray of Blackbarony, alias Jn. Stewart of Ascog - Heir of Taillie and Provision General – dated 18th June 1771 1771 June 26 20