Morning, On the 1871 death certificate - it says that William Sharp was 1st married to Janet McCallum & then to Elizabeth Campbell. 1. He was a fisherman by trade. 2. Janet McCallum didn't die before he married Elizabeth. 3. Both wives had children by him. 4. Janet McCallum [u/m] & her 2 Sharp children are in the 1851 Census. 5. William is living with his other wife, Elizabeth & their children in the same Census. Was divorce easy enough to get for the working class in the 1830's ? ? Any ideas, anyone ? ? ? Yvonne [Bonnie] Bean QLD - Australia

In a message dated 8/23/01 2:50:07 AM GMT Daylight Time, yvonneb@bit.net.au writes: > 1. He was a fisherman by trade. > 2. Janet McCallum didn't die before he married Elizabeth. > 3. Both wives had children by him. > 4. Janet McCallum [u/m] & her 2 Sharp children are in the 1851 Census. > 5. William is living with his other wife, Elizabeth & their children in the > same Census. > > Was divorce easy enough to get for the working class in the 1830's ? ? Any > ideas, anyone ? ? ? > Hi I don't get the impression that it was easy although it was more possible in Scotland than in England. Any record of divorce will be held in the National Archives and I get the idea that it would be a question of searching through court records. However it says that from 1855 - 1984 a marriage which ended in divorce had 'divorce RCE' at the side of the original entry...... but this would not be any use since the marriages obviously took place pre-1855. Have you looked at the original marriage entries for both wives?.... just in case it says something that might explain. Certainly in a place like Rothesay it is impossible that it could be bigamous..... the gossip grapevine was (and is) too widespread for that <g> If you've looked at the entries and found nothing then try emailing the National Archives at research@nas.gov.uk and asking how easy it is to find divorce records in the period.... from the birth of the last child to Janet McCallum?? to the marriage to Elizabeth in 1843. Let us know how you get on? (be patient the NAS can take a while to reply) Irene

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/428.1 Message Board Post: Linda Assuming you are talking about Arran, then these are the same place. Just as there is variation in surname spelling, so there is variation in place-name spelling. Such variation is a quite common occurence in the earlier part of the 1800's until education became more widespread, but still in evidence in the 1881 census.

Thank you to all who offered there kind advice re my Peacock family & the 1851 Census. I have the film for the Bute 1871 Deaths in at the moment - anyone would like a look up ? ? I will have it only for the next 3 weeks - please give me time if you respond to this message & if possible - a parish. Thank you, Bonnie Bean QLD - Aussie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/372.375.379 Message Board Post: Cheryl: Would you have an Elizabeth Hyndman somewhere in your family research who married a James Stewart McFie. Elizabeth died in Rothesay prior to 1925. Look forward to your reply

Yvonne, Would you mind doing a lookup for, Gilkison, various spellings, Stewart, Thomson All in Cumbrae Thank you so much Ann

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cumming Hamilton Kerr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/428 Message Board Post: Does anyone know for sure, if, during the 1800^s, this was one and the same area, or perhaps a way to distinguish one residence from another in the same area? The two different words seem to have been used in the same years.

Hi Yvonne, There certainly is ! Regards Steve At 3:39 PM +1000 21/8/01, Yvonne Bean wrote: >Good afternoon all, > >Could someone advise whether there is an 1851 Census Index for Bute, please >? > >Thank you, -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT PEARSE - Somerset, ENG LAWSON - Scandinavia FRIEND - Sussex, ENG SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG McLACHLAN - Argyll, SCT BOUNDS - ENG From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Society of Australian Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

Good afternoon all, Could someone advise whether there is an 1851 Census Index for Bute, please ? Thank you, Yvonne B QLD Australia Bute: Stuart/Stewart Bute & Argyll: Peacock Bute: Sharp Bute: McCallum

At 01-08-18 10:56 PM, Peter Cook wrote: >Welcome to Linda Hill who has joined this week., and welcome back to >Alex Seggie "after short vacation" > >If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. Hi all, Just keeping my eye open for references to the rare surname SEGGIE. I don't know of any in Buteshire, but there are branches that moved to places unknown. I believe the SEGGIEs originally came from Fife. Take care, Alex Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Welcome to Linda Hill who has joined this week., and welcome back to Alex Seggie "after short vacation" If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** One change for the better that occurred during the week, and no doubt noted by all subscribers, was the addition of source details to the Bute Query Board posts which arrive on the list. OK, so you are going to respond to a gatewayed message ? Then please remember that NOT all board posters are list subscribers. Thus to ensure that non subscribers and other board users see your reply, use the "Message Board URL" link in the message. From the online view of the post that this link takes you to, click on 'Post Reply' - this ensures that your post is threaded (linked) to the original post. Your reply will still come to the list, via the gateway. The caveat on replies via the board is the same as replies via the list - do not post 'thank you' only messages, nor messages with non genealogical chit-chat. These should go to the poster only via the list message "Reply to" option. Oops, posted to the wrong board or made a mistake in a post !? Simply contact the board admin via the Links and Announcements page link - every admin'd board has to have this information - a page you should always check on first use of a board - quite often you will find more than just the default contact information. The admin can either move the post to the correct board for you, or depending on where the error is, change the category or surnames for you, or for errors in the message body, provided no one has replied, delete the post in error, allowing you to repost a correct version. If a board is not admin'd then use the "Report Abuse" link, and category "Other" to get the system staff to fix the problem. Other Board changes included in this latest roll out of software fixes include that it now clearly states on a Board that the messages are gatewayed to a List if that is the case, and the default message category is 'Queries" . Recommendation on use of Board categories : . All questions should be posted under the default "Queries" . Offers to do Lookups should use "Lookup" . Requests for Lookups should also use "Queries" . Answers that contain Census, Monumental Inscription (MI) or other extracted data should use the appropriate category - "Census", "Cemetery", etc NB categories can be mixed on a thread - changing the category to match the content makes searching easier. With less than 500 queries posted, I don't think Bute Scotland Board users need to be worried about the cut back from 5000 to 2000 on the maximum number of posts returned by a search. However if you use some of the larger boards or the 'All Boards' option, some refinement of search parameters may/will be needed if/when you hit the 2000 limit on a search. Indeed advice from other Board Admin's seems to be that, if you get a result returning over 1000 hits, you should revise your search parameters. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list. Bute Scotland Board Admin

Hello Madeleine , I have attempted to email you to thank you for info. sent on the HUNTER family , but each time the emails have bounced ??? RE: The 1869 Buteman report of of a gathering of Bute natives in Australia . I would very much appreciate the fuller version as offered if you have the time . Thanking you Lucy (Western Australia)

Madeleine, My understanding is that all services retoured prior to 1847 were in Latin. I'm getting one for my GG Grandmother currently that is dated 1811 so should be able to confirm this shortly. If, like me your Latin is both minimal and rusty the following URL brings up some translation services http://www.google.com/search?q=latin+translations Bill

Hi everyone, To answer my own question (how could I have thought of doubting the NAS?) it seems the Service of Heirs records are definitely in Latin (at least the 1807 entry that I am interested in is). The National Archives can supply a list of private record agents who will transcribe the material if anyone wants to employ someone to do that, Madeleine

I am reposting my interests in the hope that I can knock through a few more 'brick walls' STEWART - David from Chapelton, married Janet FINLAYSON in Rothesay, Bute on 29 December 1802. They had 7 children. **Alexander b 29 November 1803 in Inverchaolin John b abt 1805 in Inverchaolin; d 16 Nov 1855 in Inellan, Dunoon - no further info James b 24 January 1807(birthplace not known); m Janet SCOTT 23 Oct 1832 in Dunoon; had 7 children - no further info Elizabeth b 13 November 1808 (b/place unknown); no further info Christian b 4 July 1811(b/place unknown); m Hugh WEIR in Dunoon on 25 Nov 1842; no further info Isabella Finlayson b 13 November 1808 in Dunoon; m Colin KERR on 23 Oct 1840 - no further info David b 7 July 1816 (b/place unknown); m Jane (?) and had 6 children - no further info. --------------------------------------------------- **Alexander STEWART married Maryanne MILLER (b 22 January 1803 in Ardingslate to Fleming MILLER - mother unknown) on 25 September 1829 in Chapelton, Dunoon & Kilmun parish. They had 11 children. David b 15 February 1830 in Dunoon; m Isabella STIRLING (no further info) Jean b 7 February 1832 in Dunoon; m Archibald OSWALD had 4 known children - no further info Fleming b 24 August 1834 in Dunoon; no further info John b 9 December 1836 in Dunoon; no further info Janet (Jessie) Finlayson b 10 August 1838* MaryAnn b 4 July 1841; no further info Frances McKintosh Mackay b 3 June 1843; m John MURRAY in Eastwood on 26 January 1863 - no further info Mary Ann b 23 April 1846; no further info Maryann b 9 March 1847; no further info Helen Burns b 5 February 1849; d abt 1868 Alexander Fleming b 14 April 1851; d abt 1861 *Janet (Jessie) Finlayson STEWART married John MORTON in Invercargill, New Zealand in 1867 - she was my ggm. Any information on any of the above would be much appreciated. Wendy Morton Christchurch, NZ

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cumming Hyndman Classification: Queries Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/427 Message Board Post: The error I made was on the birthdate of Margaret Hyndman - it should have read her birthdate as 1810. Sorry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cumming Hyndman Classification: Queries Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/426 Message Board Post: The 1881 census shows that Janet Cumming, the daughter of Archibald Cumming, was married to Alex Cumming, his son-inlaw. Their children were William, Duncan and Archibald Cumming. All were living at Dippen, Isle of Arran at the time. (Kilmory, Bute). Does anyone have any information to explain this? It is thought that Archibald Snr, was married to Margaret Hyndman (b1850).

Hello all, I asked someone to look up full details of one of the Services of Heirs Bill so kindly posted (an 1807 entry). The Scottish National Archives have told her it is in Latin. Does anyone know if this is correct? I had thought these records were in English. I do understand that the Retours are in Latin, as Bill said, Madeleine

Hi Irene, Yes I belive the Scots GRP site has just added the 1881 census and provides scanned pages of the 1891 census as well. BTW I just discovered that the Glasgow and West Scotland Family History Society (http://www.gwsfhs.org.uk/) has indexes of all ares of Glasgow for the 1851 census available on fiche. I am going to order a set tomorrow! Regards Steve At 3:56 AM -0400 15/8/01, MrsIMacleod@aol.com wrote: >But the censuses are not available on-line. You need to go to an LDS centre >and hire the film to look at there. >Irene > -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT PEARSE - Somerset, ENG LAWSON - Scandinavia FRIEND - Sussex, ENG SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG McLACHLAN - Argyll, SCT BOUNDS - ENG From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Society of Australian Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mcmillans Kerrs Fullertons Mckillops Classification: Queries Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/393.407 Message Board Post: I am not sure if I have been in touch with you before but my ancestors Mcmillans and Kerrs came from Arran to Inverness Quebec in 1829 due to the clearances. This family also married into the Fullertons, and Mckillops also from Arran, mostly from Corrie and Sannox. Heather