Betty, While I cannot be specific about Montague St. numbers, there have been several number changes in neighbouring streets. As an example, a property in Castle street changed from 16 to 20 sometime between 1837 and 1919 and is now number 24 - I know those dates are pretty widely spread but that is all the info I have at this stage. Perhaps one way of locating the particular property is to go back to the film of the 1881 census. The reason I suggest this is because the enumerators tended to work fairly systematically up one side of the street, say East to West, from one intersection to the next, then back the other. (Or at least in some regular pattern.) With a little luck you may be able to determine that, for example the property you are looking for is the third from the left from Tower Street as you head towards Bridgend. It will still require confirmation from someone on the ground of the current street number. As other correspondents have pointed out, Montague street was a mix of residential and commercial. Pigott's 1837 directory lists 81 businesses in the street of virtually every description so the majority of the residents must have lived above the shops etc. Bill

Hi Jo, At 3:59 PM +1000 26/8/01, Jo Keen wrote: >Hello Listers, > ><<so if there is anyone on the eastern seaboard of Australia who can >advise on the location(s) of microfiche copies of the Argyle and >West of Scotland Census Index Part 1: County of Bute 1851 Census >Index, please post that information to the list., thanks.>> > >All censuses are available at LDS (Mormon) Family History Centres - >this particular index may not be, but usually there's only one film >for the 1851 census for any particular area and it only takes about >an hour or two to go right through a film. > [snip] I most cases this is true, but the 1851 census for Glasgow Central is made up of six films, a fairly daunting task !! >Thanks. >Jo Keen Regards Steve -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT PEARSE - Somerset, ENG LAWSON - Scandinavia FRIEND - Sussex, ENG SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG McLACHLAN - Argyll, SCT BOUNDS - ENG From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Society of Australian Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

Without getting my 1881 census files down off the shelf <g>(I did the transcription), I think I recall that 103 Montague Street is at the northern end. For those who know current Rothesay I mean the Presto Supermarket end. There was a break in the enumeration areas and the numbers around 100 were in a separate district incorporating the street going east and west (up from Rothesay Bay) at that point. Why I remember is that this district got to me first before those containing the rest of Montague Street. Pat Jeffs Buckinghamshire England Pat.Jeffs@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill McKinlay" <Bill.McK@xtra.co.nz> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:50 AM Subject: Re. 103 Montague St. > Betty, > > While I cannot be specific about Montague St. numbers, there have been > several number changes in neighbouring streets. As an example, a > property in Castle street changed from 16 to 20 sometime between 1837 > and 1919 and is now number 24 - I know those dates are pretty widely > spread but that is all the info I have at this stage. > > Perhaps one way of locating the particular property is to go back to > the film of the 1881 census. The reason I suggest this is because the > enumerators tended to work fairly systematically up one side of the > street, say East to West, from one intersection to the next, then back > the other. (Or at least in some regular pattern.) With a little luck > you may be able to determine that, for example the property you are > looking for is the third from the left from Tower Street as you head > towards Bridgend. > > It will still require confirmation from someone on the ground of the > current street number. > > As other correspondents have pointed out, Montague street was a mix of > residential and commercial. Pigott's 1837 directory lists 81 > businesses in the street of virtually every description so the > majority of the residents must have lived above the shops etc. > > Bill > > > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > ************************************************************ *********** > The Buteshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourc ecode=F11HB >

Hi All, At 12:40 PM +0800 26/8/01, Peter Cook wrote: [snip] > > >During the week, the topic of the availability of the 1851 Census came >up, and scored just one 3 word reply. > >This list is about helping each other, so if there is anyone on the >eastern seaboard of Australia who can advise on the location(s) of >microfiche copies of the Argyle and West of Scotland Census Index Part >1: County of Bute 1851 Census Index, please post that information to >the list., thanks. This is what I am aware of ... SAG (http://www.sag.org.au/) holds full copies of the 1841 and 1851 census of Scotland on Microfilm at Rumsey Hall. With some indexes, though not those for Bute. SAG also has complete indexes for the 1861 census. The SLNSW (http://www.slnsw.gov.au/) holds the McKirdy index and the 1851 Argyll and West Scotland census index census. HTH Steve -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT PEARSE - Somerset, ENG LAWSON - Scandinavia FRIEND - Sussex, ENG SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG McLACHLAN - Argyll, SCT BOUNDS - ENG From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Society of Australian Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

Hi to everybody, I have a query. My Grandmother died at Rothesay in 1945/46 but there is no record of her death being registered. She would have been buried by the Church of Scotland at Rothesay. Is there an address I could write to of either a local Church or a Cemetry that would possibly hold these records. There wouldn't have been money for a stone to be done. Also does any one know of a newspaper running at that time that I may find obits. from or other info. Thanks Cath in Australia.

Hello Listers, <<so if there is anyone on the eastern seaboard of Australia who can advise on the location(s) of microfiche copies of the Argyle and West of Scotland Census Index Part 1: County of Bute 1851 Census Index, please post that information to the list., thanks.>> All censuses are available at LDS (Mormon) Family History Centres - this particular index may not be, but usually there's only one film for the 1851 census for any particular area and it only takes about an hour or two to go right through a film. The "eastern seaboard" covers a huge area, but there are 8 FHCs in Queensland, all listed at the LDS website http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp I have almost no Scottish research and only joined this list to try to contact someone - may I please repeat my message to Robert Bowes, in case he's still a member of the list? << Hello Robert, I sometimes trawl through the Internet looking for my names and happened to come across your messages in Buteshire Archives of last May. I think these two families join on to mine, although I haven't got any further back than you have, mainly because they're not on my direct lines. Are you aware of a connection between both of these families and the respective publishing firms of Bowes & Bowes, and Macmillan & Macmillan? The founders of both firms married connections of mine and Robert Bowes and Alexander Macmillan were brothers-in-law, living in Cambridge. Both were born in Bute, which is where I traced the apparent earlier connection between their two families. Should be pleased to hear from you if you think there's a connection.>> Thanks. Jo Keen, From Birmingham, living in Tasmania. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Cook To: ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Sunday morning musings #118 Welcome to 'FamilysPast' who has/have joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** During the week, the topic of the availability of the 1851 Census came up, and scored just one 3 word reply. This list is about helping each other, so if there is anyone on the eastern seaboard of Australia who can advise on the location(s) of microfiche copies of the Argyle and West of Scotland Census Index Part 1: County of Bute 1851 Census Index, please post that information to the list., thanks. The Western Australian Genealogical Society holds a copy, but I suspect that's about 5000 miles too far away for Yvonne in Queensland. ****** ****** ****** Another offering from Mykall, on coping with virus attacks ... >if anyone has problems with their own virus detectors they can >do an online scan through the internet at the following site.. >http://housecall.antivirus.com/housecall/start_corp.asp ****** ****** ****** Did anyone else notice the serendipity of the mail system's choice of tagline to append to my Virus strike post earlier in the week ? So, we all have a story or two about the coincidences of family history research - if it is Bute related why not tell us all ? In other words, feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list. PS Linda has been in contact, and is now virus free. ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== *********************************************************************** The Buteshire GenWeb page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Dear Martyn Thanks for that. Do you live in Rothesay? if so, is 103 Montague street still there? ----------------------------------------------- Regards Betty Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martyn Taylor" <martyntaylor@email.msn.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 4:45 AM Subject: Re: Hosiery Manufacturer 1881 > Betty > > It was probably both residential and commercial. My g.g. grandfather died > at his home in Montague Street in 1861 and I am fairly sure he didn't work > there. However, Montague Street - the buildings that are still standing - > appears to consist mainly of shops today. Robert may well have lived above > his shop. > > Martyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty Candy" <bjcandy@bigpond.com> > To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 25 August 2001 07:14 > Subject: Hosiery Manufacturer 1881 > > > > Does any kind Bute-ite know where a hosiery manufacturer named Robert > Laidlaw was likely to conduct his business in 1879 and 1881? His address > was 103 Montague Street. Was that a residential or commercial area? Any help > appreciated. > > ----------------------------------------------- > > Regards > > Betty Candy > > Sydney, Australia > > > > > > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > > *********************************************************************** > > The Buteshire GenWeb page is at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/ > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > For Websites or WebPages of Buteshire GenWeb subscribers see > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/homepage.htm > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Peter invited us to share any Bute-related coincidences of family history research. I think this qualifies. A couple of years ago I applied to Scots Origins for a certificate of a marriage in North Bute in 1897 involving Gilbert MALCOM, the son of a family that had then been farming for many years at Edenbeg, North Bute. In one respect, the certificate contained no surprises - Gilbert MALCOM was the person that I thought he was - my main interest had been in finding out more about his wife. What took me by surprise, however, was the description of his occupation - "Farmer in Beaulieu, Hampshire". Beaulieu, I should explain, is close to the English south coast, some 450 miles south of Bute, and five miles from where I live!!! Since farmers tend to be more closely tied than many of us to their land, it then occurred to me that there might still be related MALCOMs in this area. A quick look at the telephone directory and a couple of speculative letters soon turned up the unexpected information that James MALCOM, a grandson of the above-mentioned Gilbert, whom I had known by sight for several years, was at that time the receptionist in the garage that regularly services my car. This led to many new discoveries. By the way, Gilbert MALCOM's wife, who appears to have spent the rest of her life in England, died in a house in Lymington, Hampshire, to which she gave the name of "Rothesay" - no guesses why. I've got another Bute coincidence as well, but I'll leave that for another time. Martyn

Betty No, I don't live in Rothesay, I live in the south of England. However, I am fortunate to be able to get to Scotland often, and I have been to Rothesay several times. To answer your further question it is necessary to assume that the numbering of properties in Montague Street has never changed. I don't know whether it has or not, but let's assume it hasn't and that today's numbering is the same as it always was. As I said in my last email, parts of Montague Street have been demolished. However, a search of the UK post code directory discloses that 103 Montague Street still exists, apparently now divided into six separate flats (apartments) - 1/1, 1/2, 2/1, 2/2, 3/1, 3/2. In all cases the post code is PA20 0HW. I have no idea who the occupants are. A letter to one or more of them MIGHT get a reply, but flat-dwellers tend to be short-term residents, so I wouldn't set your hopes too high. My own family's address in Montague Street was no. 72. On a previous visit I was able to observe that the property that seems from inspection on the ground to be no. 72 also still exists - it is now occupied by James McIntyre, purveyor of haggis, health foods and island cheeses! In 1999 the upper windows were boarded up. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Candy" <bjcandy@bigpond.com> To: "Martyn Taylor" <martyntaylor@email.msn.com>; <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 26 August 2001 06:27 Subject: Re: Hosiery Manufacturer 1881 > Dear Martyn > Thanks for that. Do you live in Rothesay? if so, is 103 Montague street > still there? > ----------------------------------------------- > Regards > Betty Candy

The name of the Rothesay newspaper is The Buteman. You might be luckier in tracing things by contacting the Historical Group at the Rothesay Museum. You did not mention your grandmother's name. She may have gone by a different name in Rothesay than the one you are aware of. Good luck Pat Jeffs Buckinghamshire England Pat.Jeffs@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathie Shelton" <cshelton@bigpond.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:26 AM Subject: Churches > Hi to everybody, > I have a query. My Grandmother died at Rothesay in 1945/46 but there is > no record of her death being registered. She would have been buried by > the Church of Scotland at Rothesay. Is there an address I could write > to of either a local Church or a Cemetry that would possibly hold these > records. There wouldn't have been money for a stone to be done. > Also does any one know of a newspaper running at that time that I may > find obits. from or other info. > Thanks > Cath in Australia. > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > ************************************************************ *********** > Preserve your peace-of-mind: practice Safe E-mail habits > DO NOT open unsolicited e-mail attachments > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Welcome to 'FamilysPast' who has/have joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** During the week, the topic of the availability of the 1851 Census came up, and scored just one 3 word reply. This list is about helping each other, so if there is anyone on the eastern seaboard of Australia who can advise on the location(s) of microfiche copies of the Argyle and West of Scotland Census Index Part 1: County of Bute 1851 Census Index, please post that information to the list., thanks. The Western Australian Genealogical Society holds a copy, but I suspect that's about 5000 miles too far away for Yvonne in Queensland. ****** ****** ****** Another offering from Mykall, on coping with virus attacks ... >if anyone has problems with their own virus detectors they can >do an online scan through the internet at the following site.. >http://housecall.antivirus.com/housecall/start_corp.asp ****** ****** ****** Did anyone else notice the serendipity of the mail system's choice of tagline to append to my Virus strike post earlier in the week ? So, we all have a story or two about the coincidences of family history research - if it is Bute related why not tell us all ? In other words, feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown@fast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list. PS Linda has been in contact, and is now virus free.

Hi Betty As you found out from Martyn, Montague Street is very much the centre of Rothesay's commercial area--I won't say high street, it also has one of those. A hosiery manufacturer could easily have just been operating two or three "stocking machines". These are related to today's knitting machines, but they were built to knit in the round, just like one knits by hand on three or four needles. When you consider the diameter of a sock or stocking you will realize that each of these machines would not have taken up all that much room. It would be very possible for it to be a home industry. /cheers Pat Jeffs Buckinghamshire England Pat.Jeffs@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Candy" <bjcandy@bigpond.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 6:27 AM Subject: Re: Hosiery Manufacturer 1881 > Dear Martyn > Thanks for that. Do you live in Rothesay? if so, is 103 Montague street > still there? > ----------------------------------------------- > Regards > Betty Candy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martyn Taylor" <martyntaylor@email.msn.com> > To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, 26 August 2001 4:45 AM > Subject: Re: Hosiery Manufacturer 1881 > > > > Betty > > > > It was probably both residential and commercial. My g.g. grandfather > died > > at his home in Montague Street in 1861 and I am fairly sure he didn't work > > there. However, Montague Street - the buildings that are still > standing - > > appears to consist mainly of shops today. Robert may well have lived > above > > his shop. > > > > Martyn > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Betty Candy" <bjcandy@bigpond.com> > > To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: 25 August 2001 07:14 > > Subject: Hosiery Manufacturer 1881 > > > > > > > Does any kind Bute-ite know where a hosiery manufacturer named Robert > > Laidlaw was likely to conduct his business in 1879 and 1881? His address > > was 103 Montague Street. Was that a residential or commercial area? Any > help > > appreciated. > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > Regards > > > Betty Candy > > > Sydney, Australia > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > > > ************************************************************ *********** > > > The Buteshire GenWeb page is at > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/ > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > > ************************************************************ *********** > > For Websites or WebPages of Buteshire GenWeb subscribers see > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/homepage.htm > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourc ecode=F11HB > > > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > ************************************************************ *********** > Preserve your peace-of-mind: practice Safe E-mail habits > DO NOT open unsolicited e-mail attachments > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourc ecode=F11HB >

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Two postings on digest VO1 #164 referred to hosiery manufacture in Bute. Does anyone have any references to books, articles, archives etc. that might allow me to do some background reading. I am researching a Henry Hill who moved from Leicester to Bute early in the last century. He married an Agnes Scott and they eventually moved to Canada. He was involved in the manufacture etc. of hosiery. Thanks. Gordon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

Betty It was probably both residential and commercial. My g.g. grandfather died at his home in Montague Street in 1861 and I am fairly sure he didn't work there. However, Montague Street - the buildings that are still standing - appears to consist mainly of shops today. Robert may well have lived above his shop. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Candy" <bjcandy@bigpond.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 25 August 2001 07:14 Subject: Hosiery Manufacturer 1881 > Does any kind Bute-ite know where a hosiery manufacturer named Robert Laidlaw was likely to conduct his business in 1879 and 1881? His address was 103 Montague Street. Was that a residential or commercial area? Any help appreciated. > ----------------------------------------------- > Regards > Betty Candy > Sydney, Australia > > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > The Buteshire GenWeb page is at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Does any kind Bute-ite know where a hosiery manufacturer named Robert Laidlaw was likely to conduct his business in 1879 and 1881? His address was 103 Montague Street. Was that a residential or commercial area? Any help appreciated. ----------------------------------------------- Regards Betty Candy Sydney, Australia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/393.407.1 Message Board Post: My gg grandfather John McCormack married Catherine Kerr on the 22 February, 1827 in Corrie, Arran Scotland. They came to New Brunswick in 1832. Perhaps we have a Kerr connection? charles

Hello Bonnie, You asked for ideas - here are mine, sorry if I'm missing the point. 1. You might already have investigated this, but could there have been two Janet McCALLUMs? William's Janet might have died before he married Elizabeth. It wouldn't be too much of a coincidence for another Janet McCallum to have SHARP children as Sharp was such a common name. 2. Or - are you sure that William did actually marry Janet McCallum? Is there any evidence apart from the death certificate? Who gave the details on the death certificate? Could William and Janet have been living together as man and wife before splitting up. I have seen references in kirk session minutes to this sort of relationship (heavily disapproved of, naturally, but it seems much more likely than a divorce). I've enjoyed thinking about your puzzle - it's relieved the tediousness of ironing etc :-) - you'll appreciate that I know nothing. I just find it very hard to believe that there was a divorce - I'd have thought there was some other answer. Hope you find it - let us know! Regards Madeleine PS Which bit of Bute did these people live in? In a message dated 8/23/01 2:50:07 AM GMT Daylight Time, yvonneb@bit.net.au writes: << On the 1871 death certificate - it says that William Sharp was 1st married to Janet McCallum & then to Elizabeth Campbell. 1. He was a fisherman by trade. 2. Janet McCallum didn't die before he married Elizabeth. 3. Both wives had children by him. 4. Janet McCallum [u/m] & her 2 Sharp children are in the 1851 Census. 5. William is living with his other wife, Elizabeth & their children in the same Census. >>

From Mykall Johnson >peter >I just got 2 emails with attachments from steven blair >Both these emails contained a virus in the attachment by the name >of PE_MAGISTR.DAM >Can you please notify all list users of this email >The attachment is not to be opened, its name was INTERNAT.EXE Note: the person whose system is infected is not a subscriber to this list. Another subscriber reports getting many copies of SirCam from a 'karla georgia' - so treat that name/place combination with extreme caution. As always, practice safe e-mailing habits: do NOT open unsolicited attachments. Also please remember that when you get one of these 'presents', the sender is most cases will be unaware that they have been infected, so let them know gently. regards Peter List Maintainer

Linda has unfortunately fallen foul of the SirCam virus - please be careful with any mail from her address - hopefully she will be able to clean her PC fairly quickly. Peter List maintainer -----Original Message----- From: lindahill <lindahill@optusnet.com.au> To: cookfmly@bigpond.com <cookfmly@bigpond.com> Date: Thursday, 23 August 2001 10:45 Subject: Re: Re: Dippen:Dipping:- Spelling error, or two different places? SNIP > Take a look to the attachment. Rest deleted !