Hello listers, I am new to this list and would like to introduce myself and my ancestral family. My name is Dawn, and I live in sunny California, USA. My maiden name was PARK, and it is my great-great-grandfather Magnus PARK who lived in Rothsay, Bute. He was not born there, but was born in the Shetland Islands, away up at the tippy top! Magnus PARK age 68, his third wife Elizabeth Calder, and his step son Samuel lived at 9 Argyll Street, Rothsay according to the 1881 census records. By then he was a retired "river pilot", as well as a retired sea captain for several years. I have no idea how long he'd lived there, as I know he was living in Glasgow on the1861 census. He sure must have loved being on the water, and/or living beside it, for I know his home in Glasgow was on Clyde Place, Govan, right on the River Clyde, and in 1881, again, right by the water on Argyll Street in Rothesay. Can anyone give me an idea of what type of homes were on Argyll St and what life there was like in 1875? A cousin once told me that "old" Magnus, (as I like to call him) had built himself a big fancy home on the river. Can someone give me the names of any cemeteries there, and are there any indexes to look at? I feel sure that he must have died there. Any websites which will give me a picture of life there? Thanks for any insights to life in Rothesay you can give me! Dawn.

Ian Sorry for the delayed reaction - I have been away from home for two days. Nice coincidence! My great great grandfather, Peter TAYLOR, was at 72 Montague Street at the time of the 1861 census, with three of his daughters, Ann, Joanna and Isabella. (His wife Julia (MS ORR) was NOT there on that day, though still alive.) The address is recorded twice more in my family in that year, first on 20 Jun 1861, when his daughter, Isabella, was married there to High HIGHGATE, and then when Peter himself died there on 16 July 1861. How long before then the family had been at that address I do not know - they were at a different address in Rothesay in 1851. A great grandchild of Peter's, Alexander FRASER, was born a few doors away, at no. 76, on 21 Jun 1871, presumably because relatives were living there - his parents lived in Glasgow. The family's last known connection with Montague Street was when Peter's daughter, Ann, died unmarried at no. 76 on 19 Feb 1873. Both of these events were rather nearer to your time. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Murray" <ian.murray@tesco.net> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 27 August 2001 15:41 Subject: Re: Hosiery Manufacturer 1881 > Martyn, > > SNAP!! > > My family's address in Rothesay was also 72 Montague Street. > on the 9th October 1875 my Great Grandad - George MURRAY > was born there to Donald Campbell MURRAY (occupation > "painter") and Jane nee JOHNSTON. > > Although in other times this couple were living at 84 Montague > Street, Rothesay, Bute. > > When were your relatives there? > We live in interesting times. > > > > Best Regards, > Ian Murray > ex: City of Worcester > now: Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire > ---------------------------------------------- > Researching: > (Worcestershire): > ATKINS; BELL; COPE; DARKE; > EATON-MULLINS; WARMAN. > with small links to ALLARD, BATEMAN, EVANS, JEFF > (Cumberland): > BELL. > (Hampshire): > ADAMS, Martha. > (Manchester/Southport): > CHAPMAN; HUGHES; KAY. > (Eastbourne): > KAY. > (Western Scotland - including Isles of Arran and Bute): > BOYLE; CAMPBELL; CUMMINGS; DOLLAR; JOHNSTONE; KAY; > KING; LYNDSAY; McLEAN; McMILLAN; MURRAY; WILSON. > (Australia): > MURRAY > (South Africa): > VAN AARDT > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > For Websites or WebPages of Buteshire GenWeb subscribers see > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/homepage.htm > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Bill and Tom - if you need any help with the Latin, mine's a bit rusty but serviceable. (Higher Latin was a l o n g time ago ) It's a really great feeling finding a cousin on the net, congratulations. all the best Jennie

Tom, How fantastic after all this time to find someone from Buteshire with a common ancestor. Like you I have John Bannatyne and Isobel Stewart as parents to Ann and likewise at this stage have no information on John McKays parents. I am currently awaiting 'Services of Heirs' information which might be helpful. Don't know whether you are aware of this but Ann, the daughter of Annabella's brother John was heir to brother James and subsequently Isobel and Annabellas son Archibald were co- heirs to Ann. This strongly suggests that these were the only two lines of this generation to continue. I will forward on copies when these arrive. How's the Latin? Other info I have on your line is pretty much restricted to Blain's account of the drowning deaths in a ferry boat mishap of Archibald Muir and the others. An elderly aunt of mine has a painting circa 1776 of the Revenue Cutter "Christie" which was we understand the vessel at one time captained by John McKay. The vast majority of what I have relates to the descendants of Isobel McKay and John Stewart and the ancestors of the latter. I am more than happy to share any information you want and likewise to receive anything you are happy to send. Cheers Bill

Hi Steve, The McKirdy index misses: Date & hour of death, residence & cause of death. If the informant has a different surname, it can be hard to find them, also. The LDS film has the exact same certificate that you will get from the Scot GRO - but, much cheaper. Yvonne [Bonnie] B. > I have two deaths, one in 1860 and one in 1869, for which I woudl > like more info. > > Apparently I can get an LDS film with these deaths on it or I can get > the certs from Scots GRO. > > My question is, would the LDS films provide the same detail as the > GRO certs? From the info gleaned from the McKirdy index it seems that > the LDS film may well contain all the info. > > Anyone had any experience with this? > > Regards > Steve

Hello everyone, My great-great-great-grandfather also lived in Montague Street - coincidentally at no 55, but a few years before your Patrick SHIELDS, Joanne. John HILL died at 55 Montague Street in 1862, agred 90. The 1861 census has him living there with his daughter-in-law Elizabeth Hill and her sons aged two and four. Elizabeth's husband Neil, a shipmaster(?), was away. They had the use of two rooms with windows. There were six families living at the same address. For the sake of accuracy, I should say that I am only 99 per cent sure that John, a retired hand loom weaver from Skipness, Kintyre, was my relative, Madeleine

Tom and the rest of the list, There were a number of names that were on your list of Bute families you are investigating that I am as well. Do any of these connect? 1. John MCKAY was born about 1733 in Kingarth, Bute. He died on 30 Mar 1789 in Rothesay. He was married to Ann BANNATYNE on 10 Feb 1763 in Rothesay. Ann BANNATYNE was born on 23 Oct 1741 in Rothesay. She died in 1813 in Rothesay. Children of John MCKAY and Ann BANNATYNE were: +2 i. Isobel MCKAY. (My GGG Grandmother) +3 ii. Annabella MCKAY. 4 iii. James MCKAY was born on 24 Oct 1768 in Rothesay. He was a sailor. +5 iv. John MCKAY. 6 v. William MCKAY was born on 2 Jul 1775 in Rothesay. (No information) 7 vi. Ann MCKAY was born on 30 Nov 1778 in Rothesay. She died at a young age. SECOND GENERATION 2. Isobel MCKAY was born on 5 Nov 1764 in Rothesay. She was christened on 6 Nov 1764 in Rothesay. She died on 15 Aug 1811. She was married to James STEWART on 14 Jan 1783. James STEWART was born on 3 May 1755 in Rothesay. He died on 7 Aug 1803 in Rothesay. Children of Isobel MCKAY and James STEWART were: +8 i. John STEWART. 9 ii. Robert STEWART was born on 4 Aug 1787 in Rothesay. He died on 30 Mar 1803. 10 iii. James STEWART was born on 4 Aug 1787 in Rothesay. He died on 22 Aug 1787 in Rothesay. +11 iv. Ann STEWART. 12 v. Janet STEWART was born on 15 Mar 1791 in Rothesay. She died in 1816. +13 vi. Isobel STEWART. +14 vii. Mary STEWART. 3. Annabella MCKAY was born on 29 Jan 1766 in Rothesay. She was married to Archibald MUIR in 1784. Archibald MUIR was born in 1759. He died on 24 May 1786 in drowned at sea. Children of Annabella MCKAY and Archibald MUIR were: +15 i. Ann MUIR OR MOORE. 16 ii. Archibald MUIR OR MOORE was born on 15 Jan 1787 in Rothesay. He died on 29 Oct 1818. She was married subsequently to Donald MCCONACHY in 1790. Annabella MCKAY and Donald MCCONACHY had no known children. 5. John MCKAY was born on 27 Dec 1770 in Rothesay. He died on 17 Dec 1808. He was a cooper then commander of excise yacht "Maria" in Rothesay.2 He was married to Susanna RICHIE in 1790. Children of John MCKAY and Susanna RICHIE were: 17 i. Ann MCKAY was born on 1 Apr 1798 in Rothesay.

Hi All, I have two deaths, one in 1860 and one in 1869, for which I woudl like more info. Apparently I can get an LDS film with these deaths on it or I can get the certs from Scots GRO. My question is, would the LDS films provide the same detail as the GRO certs? From the info gleaned from the McKirdy index it seems that the LDS film may well contain all the info. Anyone had any experience with this? Regards Steve -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT PEARSE - Somerset, ENG LAWSON - Scandinavia FRIEND - Sussex, ENG SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG McLACHLAN - Argyll, SCT BOUNDS - ENG From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Society of Australian Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

Hi Madeleine, > 1. You might already have investigated this, but could there have been two > Janet McCALLUMs? William's Janet might have died before he married Elizabeth. > It wouldn't be too much of a coincidence for another Janet McCallum to have > SHARP children as Sharp was such a common name. No, she was alive on the 1841 & 1851 Census, as well as being mentioned on the death certificate - she is the same person. > 2. Or - are you sure that William did actually marry Janet McCallum? Is there > any evidence apart from the death certificate? Who gave the details on the > death certificate? Could William and Janet have been living together as man > and wife before splitting up. I have seen references in kirk session minutes > to this sort of relationship (heavily disapproved of, naturally, but it seems > much more likely than a divorce). From the parish records - yes she married him. > I've enjoyed thinking about your puzzle - it's relieved the tediousness of > ironing etc :-) - you'll appreciate that I know nothing. I just find it very > hard to believe that there was a divorce - I'd have thought there was some > other answer. Hope you find it - let us know! Nothing has shown up as yet. Still a mystery. Friend is looking for William's 2nd marriage to see what exactly it says. > PS Which bit of Bute did these people live in? Rothesay. Bonnie B. > In a message dated 8/23/01 2:50:07 AM GMT Daylight Time, yvonneb@bit.net.au > writes: > << On the 1871 death certificate - it says that William Sharp was 1st married > to Janet McCallum & then to Elizabeth Campbell. > > 1. He was a fisherman by trade. > 2. Janet McCallum didn't die before he married Elizabeth. > 3. Both wives had children by him. > 4. Janet McCallum [u/m] & her 2 Sharp children are in the 1851 Census. > 5. William is living with his other wife, Elizabeth & their children in the > same Census. > >> > > ______________________________

Thank you - I omitted to mention, of course, that my time's my own and my whole life consists of genealogy research, with (begrudged) time in between for eating and sleeping! Jo. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Farmer To: ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Sunday morning musings #118 Hey Jo, What an effort !! To use an Aussie expression "I dips me lid to you" :) Regards Steve At 9:37 AM +1000 28/8/01, Jo Keen wrote: >Hello Steve, > >It depends upon how desperate you are - most of my research is >Birmingham and I've already been through the 30-40 films for 1861 >and am now nearing the end of the 1871, which was bigger! > >It was well worth the effort - I found people I would never have >otherwise found. > >Jo. > -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT PEARSE - Somerset, ENG LAWSON - Scandinavia FRIEND - Sussex, ENG SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG McLACHLAN - Argyll, SCT BOUNDS - ENG From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Society of Australian Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open. ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== *********************************************************************** The Buteshire GenWeb page is at http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Hey Jo, What an effort !! To use an Aussie expression "I dips me lid to you" :) Regards Steve At 9:37 AM +1000 28/8/01, Jo Keen wrote: >Hello Steve, > >It depends upon how desperate you are - most of my research is >Birmingham and I've already been through the 30-40 films for 1861 >and am now nearing the end of the 1871, which was bigger! > >It was well worth the effort - I found people I would never have >otherwise found. > >Jo. > -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT PEARSE - Somerset, ENG LAWSON - Scandinavia FRIEND - Sussex, ENG SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG McLACHLAN - Argyll, SCT BOUNDS - ENG From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Society of Australian Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open.

Hello Steve, It depends upon how desperate you are - most of my research is Birmingham and I've already been through the 30-40 films for 1861 and am now nearing the end of the 1871, which was bigger! It was well worth the effort - I found people I would never have otherwise found. Jo. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Farmer To: ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Sunday morning musings #118 Hi Jo, At 3:59 PM +1000 26/8/01, Jo Keen wrote: >Hello Listers, > ><<so if there is anyone on the eastern seaboard of Australia who can >advise on the location(s) of microfiche copies of the Argyle and >West of Scotland Census Index Part 1: County of Bute 1851 Census >Index, please post that information to the list., thanks.>> > >All censuses are available at LDS (Mormon) Family History Centres - >this particular index may not be, but usually there's only one film >for the 1851 census for any particular area and it only takes about >an hour or two to go right through a film. > [snip] I most cases this is true, but the 1851 census for Glasgow Central is made up of six films, a fairly daunting task !! >Thanks. >Jo Keen Regards Steve -- --------------------------------------------------- Researching Farmer Family history http://www.farmergroup.com/ FARMER - Lanarkshire & Buteshire, SCT LOGIE - Perthshire , SCT PAUL - Aberdeenshire , SCT PEARSE - Somerset, ENG LAWSON - Scandinavia FRIEND - Sussex, ENG SAGER - Cheshire & Lancashire, ENG McLACHLAN - Argyll, SCT BOUNDS - ENG From beautiful Sydney, NSW, Australia A member of the Society of Australian Genealogists http://www.sag.org.au/ Minds are like parachutes, they work best when open. ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== *********************************************************************** For Websites or WebPages of Buteshire GenWeb subscribers see http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/homepage.htm ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

This is fascinating ....... keep us all up to date. Irene

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Miller , McKirdy , MacKirdy , Morrison , Fisher , McConachy , MacGilchrist , Gillies , Moore , McKay , Kelso , Bannatyne , Scot , Stewart , McTyre Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/430 Message Board Post: Bill McKinlay I see from your list of ancestors that we are related. Your Isobel McKay is sister to my GGGG Grandmother Annabella McKay. Annabella's father, John McKay, was born Sept. 8/1733 in Rothesay. I have no information on his parents.

Montague Street must have been a really busy place. My great grandfather Patrick SHIELDS also lived in Montague Street at number 55 but he worked on the Pier as a Pointing Porter according to Bute County Directory 1923-1924 Joanne Main research lines SHIELDS DUNCAN COWIE

P.S. This will give you a modern map http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ B.

Hi Linda, Are you looking for current or historical information? The following is one site that you can get an historical ordinance survey map - mid 1800s. Start off at Rothesay and navigate about. www.old-maps.org.uk I've also got an old farm map for the Isle of Bute showing the locations of farms from about 1600 which I could send you off-list as an attachment if it is of use. BILL

Hi, Would anyone know of a site which has a map of Buteshire, which shows the different districts and places therein. Linda

Martyn, SNAP!! On 26 Aug 2001, at 13:44, Martyn Taylor wrote: > My own family's address in Montague Street was no. 72. On a previous > visit I was able to observe that the property that seems from inspection > on the ground to be no. 72 also still exists - it is now occupied by James > McIntyre, purveyor of haggis, health foods and island cheeses! In 1999 > the upper windows were boarded up. My family's address in Rothesay was also 72 Montague Street. on the 9th October 1875 my Great Grandad - George MURRAY was born there to Donald Campbell MURRAY (occupation "painter") and Jane nee JOHNSTON. Although in other times this couple were living at 84 Montague Street, Rothesay, Bute. When were your relatives there? We live in interesting times. Best Regards, Ian Murray ex: City of Worcester now: Ross-on-Wye, Herefordshire ---------------------------------------------- Researching: (Worcestershire): ATKINS; BELL; COPE; DARKE; EATON-MULLINS; WARMAN. with small links to ALLARD, BATEMAN, EVANS, JEFF (Cumberland): BELL. (Hampshire): ADAMS, Martha. (Manchester/Southport): CHAPMAN; HUGHES; KAY. (Eastbourne): KAY. (Western Scotland - including Isles of Arran and Bute): BOYLE; CAMPBELL; CUMMINGS; DOLLAR; JOHNSTONE; KAY; KING; LYNDSAY; McLEAN; McMILLAN; MURRAY; WILSON. (Australia): MURRAY (South Africa): VAN AARDT

Hi Everyone, Thanks to everyone for the information regarding my grandmother. Hopefully this will lead me to finding out something. Cath in Australia.