Hi Ann, I found the John Crawford and Agness Crawford on IGI by doing searches with popular family names. Agness was Christened Mar 1776 and John in Oct 1779. Both had an Archibald Crawford listed as father and mother Unknown. As I mentioned, I have no proof that they are even of the same family - Archibald appears to have been a popular name in my line of Crawford's. What was your source for Jean Thompson's parents? I only found her birth in IGI as 1774 with no parents mentioned. Do you have a certificate for her? I have Archibald Crawford b 22 Dec 1772 and d 1 Jan 1858. Leanna

Hi listers, Ages ago (6 weeks at least) I posted a message about my ancestor Francis TOWNLEY. I was asking at the time about monumental inscriptions at Kilbride cemetary and also about wills of Scotland. A very helpful woman by the name of Irene directed me to the NAS about wills and I would just like to say what a good quick response I received from NAS. The will cost me 8.71 pounds (which included postage to NZ) and luckily for me it was 7 pages and well worth reading. By the way Irene, Your help with the 1851 census was most helpful as when my LDS film came in I didn't have to look at the whole film as you had already told me which book and page my ancestor was in. Thanks so much. My next querry is - Whether it's true or just family legend but we were always led to believe that Francis TOWNLEY was created Baron of Brodick by his friend the Duke of Hamilton. This would have been somewhere between 1840 and 1859 when he died. Would I have to email NAS again with this querry or is there somewhere else I should write to. Any advice greatly appreciated. Anne in very wet Auckland

Hi folks to recap Bonnie said she had an ancestor William Sharp whose death cert in 1871 said he was married 1 to Janet McCallum and 2 to Elizabeth Campbell but Bonnie has found him in the 1851 census with Elizabeth and also had found Janet with two Sharp children This afternoon there is football on the telly so I have nothing better to do < lol> I've found the Janet with the two Sharp children but these children Andrew and Isabella do not come up in the familysearch site as children of William Sharp and Janet McCallum.... William and Janet's children are Bryce 19 Jan 1834, Janet 15 Dec 1835, Ann 18 May 1837 and John 29 Aug 1839. In the 1851 census there is a 15 year old Bryce Sharp with a family of Sharps which include a 36 year old Bryce who was born (I think) 18 Oct 1811 to Bryce Sharp and Janet Thomson. Were Bryce Sharp and Janet Thomson the parents of the William Sharp who died in 1871? They had a son William in 1802. Although William said he was 47 in 1851 he was living with a 32 year old wife so a little trimming is understandable. I think that there were two Janet McCallums ....... there were at least half a dozen in the index. The Janet who married William in 1832 died sometime after Aug 1839 and then he married Elizabeth Campbell in 1842. It would be interesting to see if the 1851 census gives the relationship Bryce Sharp aged 15 is to 73 year old Janet Sharp widow of Bryce Sharp as grandson. MI no 567 in Rothesay has William Sharp freeholder in Rothesay sons Robert and Bryce, Bryce d May 1832 aged 55. Bryce Sharp cooper, wife Janet Thomson Apr 1865 aged 87 children Isabella 1827 and Robert and John The stone isn't too clear but it seems as if William Sharp a freeholder in Rothesay (worth hunting for a will!) had two sons, one of whom Bryce, a cooper, died in 1832 aged 55 and who was married to Janet Thomson who died in 1865 aged 87. The familysearch site is coming up with about 11 children for them between 1802 and 1824. A divorce would have been better fun <g> but I think two Janet McCallums are more likely. Irene

Hi, Can anyone tell me if the MI's for Isle of Arran have been transcribed, and if so, where I can purchase a copy. Thank you. Kathy Tolman

Hello everyone Just re-listing my Bute interests in case anyone has any knowledge of them or possible connections. Christina H. McALLISTER was born on Bute about 1809. In 1840 she emigrated to Sydney, Australia with her husband, James WILSON, and their son James aboard the ship "Joseph Cunard". The family may have been living in Greenoch before they left. The IGI has a Christina McALISTER being born at Cumun (?), Bute in 1811. Relative: Mary Florence BRIGHT STOCKS. This may not be my Christina of course, but I need to check it out. Are there any BRIGHT STOCKS out there who have McALISTERs in their tree? Regards -- Ian Jones Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

Many thanks to everyone, especially to Daphne and Madeleine, for their wonderful tips and bits of information on Rothesay and Bute. No wonder "ole" Magnus chose to live there on Argyll Street! He could sit and watch the parade of steamers go sailing by to his heart's content. His son, William was also a captain in command of at least seven ships and Magnus probably watched him pass by many times. Daphne, I'll be sure to look up the book - The Island of Bute, by Ian S. Munro. Thanks for the info. Can anyone give me a list of possible cemeteries around Rothesay? Thanks to everyone. Dawn.

In a message dated 8/31/01 11:01:25 AM GMT Daylight Time, dajackson@home.com writes: > I have no parents listed for Archibald, b. 1772, seaman on the Revenue > Cutter "Royal George", wife Jean Thomson. > Jean's parents were Archibald Thomson and Jean Crawford. > Possible Archibald and Jean were cousins. > Do you have a date of death for Archibald of 1772. > 1851 census Cardiff St Archibald Crawford H M 74 Seaman Cumbray Jane wife 73 Kilbride AYR stone no 181 cumbrae chyrd Archibald Crawford mariner on board RGC d 1 Jan 1858 aged 86 wife Jane Thomson 13 Sep 1852 aged 80 dau Mary 12 Feb 1861 aged 63 death certificate Archibald Crawford seaman widower d 1 Jan 1858 Cardiff St Millport age 86 f Archibald Crawford seaman decd m Margaret Stewart decd cod old age bur chyd inf Thomas Crawford son and then I think I got the date of his birth in 1772 from the OPR but I haven't time to look it up cos I'm running daughter and boyfriend to schoolfriend's wedding. How did you get Janet Thomson's parents? Irene

Hello Leanna and Irene, The Crawford's are very confusing. The only John and Agnes in the same family are, John b. 23/04/1804 Agnes b. 12/06/1806 Parents, John Crawford and Agnes Woodside John Sr was born about 1770, no further information. I have no parents listed for Archibald, b. 1772, seaman on the Revenue Cutter "Royal George", wife Jean Thomson. Jean's parents were Archibald Thomson and Jean Crawford. Possible Archibald and Jean were cousins. Do you have a date of death for Archibald of 1772. Ann

In a message dated 8/31/01 5:25:38 AM GMT Daylight Time, Beennaannaa@aol.com writes: > Your Jean Crawford b. 1809 was a daughter of the above mentioned Archibald > and a sister to my Archibald b. 1801 ( my direct line). I have no proven > parentage for Archibald b. 1772 and little more than a sneaking suspicion > that his father's name was Archibald as well... I did find a John and > Agness > born around the same time as my Archibald (b. 1772), on Cumbrae - no mother > mentioned, with a father named Archibald. Absolutely unproven, so I > wouldn't > even assume that they are of the same family. > I've got the Archibald born 1772 as being born 22 Dec 1772 to Archibald C and Margaret Stewart....... sources his death certificate, the gravestone in Cumbrae churchyard and the OPR (but I don't have anything on the John and Agnes) Irene I'm not related ....... this is just my spare time project ....I was brought up on Cumbrae and I'm addicted to genealogy <lol> ...a sad case!

Thank you Bill, Ann and Irene for the information on the Ferry. I am looking forward to my visit! Ann, I am (as far as I know) not related to the families that I sent information on yesterday. They were extra families on an OPR that I ordered for Archibald Crawford b 1772. It is the first one that I have seen with so much detail. All others that I have ordered are very specific and don't mention much more than the person, the event and the parents. Your Jean Crawford b. 1809 was a daughter of the above mentioned Archibald and a sister to my Archibald b. 1801 ( my direct line). I have no proven parentage for Archibald b. 1772 and little more than a sneaking suspicion that his father's name was Archibald as well... I did find a John and Agness born around the same time as my Archibald (b. 1772), on Cumbrae - no mother mentioned, with a father named Archibald. Absolutely unproven, so I wouldn't even assume that they are of the same family. I am not sure if any of that made any sense - all the talk of Archibald is confusing even me! Leanna

Try looking up "stocking frames". This was the usual name for the machines used to knit stockings or socks, or, if one is being terribly formal, hosiery. /cheers Pat Jeffs Buckinghamshire England Pat.Jeffs@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Taylor" <dk770taylor2_99@yahoo.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 3:09 PM Subject: Hosiery Manufacture in Bute > Two postings on digest VO1 #164 referred to hosiery > manufacture in Bute. Does anyone have any references > to books, articles, archives etc. that might allow me > to do some background reading. I am researching a > Henry Hill who moved from Leicester to Bute early in > the last century. He married an Agnes Scott and they > eventually moved to Canada. He was involved in the > manufacture etc. of hosiery. > Thanks. > Gordon. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > ************************************************************ *********** > Preserve your peace-of-mind: practice Safe E-mail habits > DO NOT open unsolicited e-mail attachments > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

You are absolutely right, Irene! My poor tired eyes failed me last night.... It is Dougald McDougal born 22 Janr 1797. My Crawfords are Archibald Crawford (of the Royal George Cutters) b. 1772, his son Archibald b. 1801 - his son Archibald b. 1828 on the Isle of Cumbrae. From there they moved on to Glasgow and the favourite family name became David. Leanna.

Hello Dawn, As Daphne suggested, you might find it helpful to browse in the archives. The URL is http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ButeshireGenWeb The Rothesay that Magnus lived in in 1875 will have been a bustling and exciting place, I think (certainly in summer). In 1871 Rothesay's population was 7,800 and it was a thriving town. The cotton industry was starting to decline, but in 1872 over 600 people still worked at the main weaving and spinning mills. During the 1800s people from various backgrounds - Scottish Highlands, Lowlands, Irish - had come to work in the mills etc. My understanding is that as the cotton industry declined so the new tourism industry took over. The harbour would have been busy - lots for a retired sea captain/river pilot to observe. Obviously, amid the prosperity there was terrible poverty. A book that I think is helpful is The Island of Bute by Ian S Munro (1973) published by David and Charles (IBSN 0 7153 6081 7). It is out of print, but is often found for sale on the net or perhaps you could get it through a library. It includes chapters on Bute history and on the golden era of the Clyde steamers. From a chapter on The Holiday Isle:, "The great days of Bute's prominence as a holiday resort were during the period 1880 and 1910. Not only was steamer traffic at its height, and the number of holiday visitors at a record level, but there were all kinds of imaginative ideas in entertainment, and varied opportunities of excursions and activities. During this spell, Glasgow's legendary pilgrimage 'doon the watter' was built up and Rothesay's popularity reached its peak." Of steamers and the Firth of Clyde, Ian Munro says, "The golden era of the Clyde steamers covered the quarter of the century between 1890 and the outbreak of World War I. During this period of tremendous activity, in memory at least, summer suns were always shining, the waters of the Clyde were alive with ships, the piers were constantly busy, the boats ablaze with colour, and the whole world was happy - or at least that part of it which sailed down the Clyde. That was the period of most of the lore - of rivalries and races, of colour and character, of record times and celebrated captains, of music and magic and well loved piers - that gave birth to the golden legend of the Clyde ..... The surprising thing is that the facts in most instances match and confirm even the most colourful recollections!" A more recent book - still in print, I believe - is 'The Isle of Bute' by Norman S Newton, David and Charles ISBN 1 898630 00 3. It goes into less detail but is still interesting and has wonderful photographs. Best of luck, Madeleine Wales

Hi John, I am interested in your Isle of Arran HAMILTON's. I have a John HAMILTON who married Grizel DAVISON on June 22, 1798 at Airde (a name that is apparently no longer used). They had Elizabeth bap. Feb 1799, John bap. Oct 1800, Grace bap. Sep 1809 and William bap. Nov 1811 all Kilbride parish. Do you recognize these names? Kathy john.finlay@xtra.co.nz wrote: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/313.390 > > Message Board Post: > > While searching my fathers (Hamilton) Isle of Arran connections I had this Currie information given to me, it may be of some interest to you. > > My Fathers family has links back to the Currie name on Arran, my Grandfather J L Hamilton (born 1859) came to NZ in 1879 from his birthplace Largiebeg, Whiting Bay, Parish of Kilbride Isle Arran., He married a Catherine Alexandra Pearston in NZ. > I have research done by a relative which takes us back to -- > John Currie (bap. 30-7-1771)[son of Daniel Currie & wife] recorded at Corrierevie( Church records ?) birth approx 1765-1775 married Florence Nicol, same birth period (note shows records blank 1717-1762 > They had six children at Bennicarrigan from baptism records > Mary bap 5-8-1779, Neil bap 31 Aug 1794, Margaret bap 11 Aug 1799, Elspa bap 28 april 1802, and Catherine Bap 26 aug 1804 (my connection) > Catherine Currie 1804-1898 married Alexander MacDonald (of Levencorroch) on 28 July 1831 at Kilmory. > They subsquently had seven children one (Janet known as Jessie) who married a William Pearston of Glasgow in 30.4.1860. They had seven daughters and the whole family immigrated to Southland New Zealand. My grandfather married one of this family, Catherine Alexandra Pearston. > > In my research I have crossed the paths of other Curries from Arran, my fathers uncle James William Hamilton (1836-1897) married Elizabeth Currie in NZ 1864. Eliabeth and her sister Mary Currie came to NZ from Isle of Arran on the ship "New Great Britain" in 1862 > > I also have read of another family of Currie who also settled in new Zealand. > Robert Currie arrived at Dunedin NZ from Arran in 1865. He was a bootmaker, married Mary Gordon of Kilmarnoch Scotland in 1872, then in 1882 took up farming in the Five Rivers area of Southland NZ and descendants still live in the area. > > I hope you might find some information in this note. I would be pleased if you make a connection or can fill in some spaces to hear about it if possible. > > John Hamilton > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > Preserve your peace-of-mind: practice Safe E-mail habits > DO NOT open unsolicited e-mail attachments > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Leanna, Caledonian McBrayne seem to be the main ferry company operating in the area. Their web site with timetables etc. are at the following URL http://www.calmac.co.uk/gettingthere/ttableframeset.html Cheers Bill

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/108.1 Message Board Post: Surprised to find my name and address here -- please note I have not resided at said address since 1996. I have never heard of either yourself or said Carole Wareham.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/313.390 Message Board Post: While searching my fathers (Hamilton) Isle of Arran connections I had this Currie information given to me, it may be of some interest to you. My Fathers family has links back to the Currie name on Arran, my Grandfather J L Hamilton (born 1859) came to NZ in 1879 from his birthplace Largiebeg, Whiting Bay, Parish of Kilbride Isle Arran., He married a Catherine Alexandra Pearston in NZ. I have research done by a relative which takes us back to -- John Currie (bap. 30-7-1771)[son of Daniel Currie & wife] recorded at Corrierevie( Church records ?) birth approx 1765-1775 married Florence Nicol, same birth period (note shows records blank 1717-1762 They had six children at Bennicarrigan from baptism records Mary bap 5-8-1779, Neil bap 31 Aug 1794, Margaret bap 11 Aug 1799, Elspa bap 28 april 1802, and Catherine Bap 26 aug 1804 (my connection) Catherine Currie 1804-1898 married Alexander MacDonald (of Levencorroch) on 28 July 1831 at Kilmory. They subsquently had seven children one (Janet known as Jessie) who married a William Pearston of Glasgow in 30.4.1860. They had seven daughters and the whole family immigrated to Southland New Zealand. My grandfather married one of this family, Catherine Alexandra Pearston. In my research I have crossed the paths of other Curries from Arran, my fathers uncle James William Hamilton (1836-1897) married Elizabeth Currie in NZ 1864. Eliabeth and her sister Mary Currie came to NZ from Isle of Arran on the ship "New Great Britain" in 1862 I also have read of another family of Currie who also settled in new Zealand. Robert Currie arrived at Dunedin NZ from Arran in 1865. He was a bootmaker, married Mary Gordon of Kilmarnoch Scotland in 1872, then in 1882 took up farming in the Five Rivers area of Southland NZ and descendants still live in the area. I hope you might find some information in this note. I would be pleased if you make a connection or can fill in some spaces to hear about it if possible. John Hamilton

FamilysPast@cs.com wrote: > > Hello listers, > I am new to this list and would like to introduce myself and my > ancestral family. My name is Dawn, and I live in sunny California, USA. > My maiden name was PARK, and it is my great-great-grandfather Magnus > PARK who lived in Rothsay, Bute. He was not born there, but was born in the > Shetland Islands, away up at the tippy top! > Magnus PARK age 68, his third wife Elizabeth Calder, and his step son > Samuel lived at 9 Argyll Street, Rothsay according to the 1881 census > records. By then he was a retired "river pilot", as well as a retired sea > captain for several years. I have no idea how long he'd lived there, as I > know he was living in Glasgow on the1861 census. He sure must have loved > being on the water, and/or living beside it, for I know his home in Glasgow > was on Clyde Place, Govan, right on the River Clyde, and in 1881, again, > right by the water on Argyll Street in Rothesay. > Can anyone give me an idea of what type of homes were on Argyll St and > what life there was like in 1875? A cousin once told me that "old" Magnus, > (as I like to call him) had built himself a big fancy home on the river. Can > someone give me the names of any cemeteries there, and are there any indexes > to look at? I feel sure that he must have died there. Any websites which > will give me a picture of life there? Thanks for any insights to life in > Rothesay you can give me! > Dawn. > Dear Dawn, While you asked for info about life in Rothesay, Bute, ca. 1875, I remember a 4 part article in the "Sunday morning musings" that originally appeared in "THE BUTEMAN", called the 'The Clans of Shiskine' researched and presented by Charles Robertson of Shiskine in 1936. While not in Shiskine, Rothesay's living condition would be similar. It's called the 'Past and Present', and covers the history of North Bute and Arran from the 1400's in a condensed form to 1936, including the prominant clans and family, tidbits of ordinary life, the migration from Bute to Arran over time. If you access the Archives (haven't seen the URL for this list but try Rootsweb's main page) for the "Clans of Shiskine", in the ButeshireGenWeb list Archives, Sunday Oct 10, 1999 to Oct. 31, 1999. You could also look for Sunday morning musings, # 30 - 33 on those dates. Another source is "Scotland, A Concise History", by Fitzroy Maclean. I recommend this because Bute was split into the north, owned by the Campbells and the south, by the Stewarts. These 2 clans had so much influence on the ruling of Scotland over the centuries that it is im- portant to have a brief understanding of their role in order to under- stand the many wars, internal politics and religious history of Scotland and its struggle to remain free of the English. My own family lived in Bute since about the 1400's or before. The family seat was Kames, from the Gaelic 'MacCamelyne', anglisized to Bannatyne. Their small Castle now is in private hands, converted to a pricey B & B. BTW, you mentioned that your 2X GGrandmother was a Calder. This was a variant spelling of Cawdor, a cadet family of the Campbell's in Nairn, and the site of the film of the completely fictitious "Macbeth" by Shakespeare. Another variant of Cawdor was Caudle, my maiden name. Happy hunting and don't take the spelling changes of surnames too seriously since even members of the same family spelled their names differently and the 'Clarks' or Clerics recorded names phonetically as they were often illiterate as well. Hope this helps, Daphne Kilbourn-Jacob

Hello Listers! I am visiting Scotland for my first time on Sep 15 and have been scouring maps to plan my routes. Can anyone tell me where the ferry to Cumbrae runs from? It appears to be near Largs... My Fodor's Book on Scotland doesn't give much more than an honourable mention to Bute, it is lumped in a section called Argyll and the Isles. Thanks in advance Leanna

I just received a page for my Crawford's of Cumbrae and thought I would share the others listed there. McDougal - John McDougal Mariner in Royal George Cutter and Cathrine Black his wife have as family as present Walter born this 22 April 1793 - Agnes 13 Janr 1795 - Douglas 22 Janr 1797 - Margret 14 June 1798 - Mary 7 June 1800 - Robinson - James Robinson Farmer in Figotoch and Cathrine Hunter his Wife have of family as present Marg. born the 15th May 1791 - Mary the 11th Janr 1793 - Elisabeth the 15th Oct. 1794 - Robert the 30th Octr 1796 - John the 26th Aug 1796 and Archibald the 12th Aug. 1800 - Janet 3 July 1808 McKirdy - John McKirdy Mariner in Royal George Cutter born the 14th Janr 1759 - Margret Stewart his Wife born the 13th Decm 1760 their family are James born 24th April 1785 - Agnes 21 Jan 1787 - Alexander 28th June 1789 - John 3 Novm 1792 - Alex.(little 'm' following name) 22 Febr 1794 Second Wife Elisabeth Hunter born the 28th Aug 1763(?) - By her are Robert 6th July 1797 - John 21st July 1799 - Joseph 4th July 1801 -