No new subscribers this week, however as always, if you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** 'Genealogy' according to my dictionary is variously: 1 A record of descent from some ancestor; a list of ancestors and their descendants 2 Descent in a direct line; pedigree; and 3 The science that treats pedigrees For the last alternative, I prefer ... Genealogy begins as an interest becomes a hobby continues as a vocation takes over as an obsession and in its last stages is an incurable disease. ****** ****** ****** To each and everyone of you and your families, have a peaceful and enjoyable time during the forthcoming festive season. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Welcome back to Patsy Desilets who has successfully rejoined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Following my post last week with a date calculated from the 1871 Census date, I have been asked off list about all the available census dates - for the benefit of those who don't have them down pat, here's the list again:- 1841 overnight Sunday 6 June / Monday 7 June 1851 overnight Sunday 30 March / Monday 31 March 1861 overnight Sunday 7 April / Monday 8 April 1871 overnight Sunday 2 April / Monday 3 April 1881 overnight Sunday 3 April / Monday 4 April 1891 overnight Sunday 5 April / Monday 6 April 1901 overnight Sunday 31 March / Monday 1 April *** 1911 overnight Sunday 2 April / Monday 3 April >From the above, it becomes clear why some people quote one date and others another. However, dates (as per my example last week) are generally computed from the relevant Monday. *** NB 1911 will not be available for general access until 2 Jan 2012 except by personal application - you have to be able to show you are a direct descendant, and have to give just one name and the address - if either is incorrect, that's all you get told - no refund. One would hope that the early 2002 debacle over the availability of 1901 is NOT repeated in 2012 ?!? ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/546.1.2 Message Board Post: My grandfather John Weir had a brother Duncan

I had hoped to say welcome back to Patsy Desilets, however mail to her new address is already bouncing :-( As always, if you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** While not based on my Bute research lines, the following anecdote reaffirms the need to find all available documents for our ancestors ... While inputting data from one of my mother's lines into my Reunion database a while back, I came across an 1871 census entry with the age of a child given as 11 days - indicating a birth date of 23 March 1871. Later in her records, I found a photocopy of the birth certificate for a child of the same name dated 18th May 1870 with the hand written comment "should the 1871 entry read 11 months ?" and in a different colour "maybe an earlier child of the same name?" but this was in turn crossed out with a further comment "dates too close !?!". With the benefit of a fully searchable CD set, I then found the 1881 entry for this child - away at boarding school with her elder sister in another county - this gave her age as 10 yrs - matching the birth certificate. So why "11 days" in 1871 - was my mother correct in her assumption of an error ? I now have the answer as the baptism date for this child was, as some may already have guessed, 23 March 1871. So while incorrect in one sense, the 1871 age did connect to a real event. Moral: if an age at census does not match known facts (especially with children), do not be too quick to dismiss it as an error - equally make sure that such queries are marked so later researchers can follow up on them. ****** ****** ****** List Admin: SPAM Blocking If you are switching to a spam blocking program that requires the sender to reply before their e-mail is allowed through; please change your ButeshireGenWeb subscription to Digest mode then add ButeshireGenWeb-D-request@rootsweb.com to your "safe" address list. This should allow you to continue as a subscriber without loss of posts, and keep you in your fellow subscribers good books :-) ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/546.2.1 Message Board Post: I would be happy to help find Egners.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/546.1.1 Message Board Post: I dont know about Duncan but my grandfathers name was John

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mackenzie, MacEwan, Ford and Nelson Classification: Census Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/551 Message Board Post: Dear List, How do I find census' varies years for Rothesay? Thanks, Michelle Craig Kingwood, Texas USA

In the last few days I have updated Births and Marriages. I have also added a search function. The search function is fairly ordinary so I am looking for a new and improved version. The site now holds 25,662 records. www.sctbdm.com Cheers Sue

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/379.383.1.1.1 Message Board Post: HI Marguerite, I know very little about Peter Hyndman, he was in the 1891 census at Rothesay, but it is a bit confusing as his Wife is given as Mary aged 35, not Isabella 40, but it is him ok because her daughter Helen 8 is there and that is the only child that I know of don't know if they had children together, I would love to hear of any information on their lives. Regards Merv

If replying direct to Wilola, please check the destination address ... -----Original Message----- From: Wilola Follett <wilola@qwest.net> To: buteshiregenweb-d-request@rootsweb.com <buteshiregenweb-d-request@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, 2 December 2003 23:34 Subject: Kennedy/McKelvie in Lurgan/Newton Area Searching for more information on John Kennedy and his wife, Catherine McKelvie. They had seven children — Donald, Margaret, Allan, Alexander, Catherine, John, Niel. I know that Alexander immigrated to American as did, I think, one or two other children All children were born in Lurgan and or Newton. The source for the children is Parochial Register, County of Bute Kilmory, Lochranza — Baptisms I have a great many American sources for Alexander and his wife, Sybil Cannon, but practically nothing on John and Catherine and other children. Need information for marriages of John and Catherine; spouses of children and marriage dates/places; dates of death, where buried; parents of John Kennedy and Catherine McKelvie. Although I don't have too much I am willing to share what I do have. Wilola Phoenix, AZ wilola@qwest.net

Apologies to those who receive this on more than one list. I'm looking for everyone who can claim a family connection to McKERRELLs on the Isle of Islay, Argyllshire, Scotland. They are widely scattered and are known to have settled at least in Canada, South Africa, East Africa, USA and Australia. The reason for the search is to invite them to the very first family reunion called "The McKerrells Return to Islay" http://clanmckerrell.50free.net/return.htm, to be held on Islay from 11 to 13 June 2004. The event is designed to be high on fun and low on formality, a chance to meet new relatives and old friends, and to find their place in the family tree. The Chieftain of the McKerrells, Charles McKerrell of Hillhouse, has expressed an interest in attending. The date was chosen to complement "Tilleadh Chlann Ile" (http://www.islayreturn.com) a family history event for subscribers to the SCT-ISLAY list that is being held on Islay from 6 to 10 June 2004. I know there are lots of Islay McKerrell descendants out there, whatever their present surname and however it is spelled. If you know of any, I'd be grateful if you can pass on to them the text of this message, or simply let me have their e-mail address.. I can be contacted at clanmckerrell@hotmail.com, or via the Islay McKerrells website at http://clanmckerrell.50free.net/return.htm. My grateful thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide. Jim Baird in sunny Western Australia

Welcome to a rep from Clan McKerrell who has joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Spent an enjoyable evening recently swapping stories with a fellow Os family historian on the trials and tribulations of 'on the ground' research in England - I am going to get across the border to visit Arran and adjacent parts eventually. Topics included the varying size & cost of B&B breakfasts, best time of day to travel, etc. One thing we were both in agreement on, is not to attempt to squeeze too much into a day, especially in terms of distance travelled. One of the hardest things to get over to new travellers to the UK in general is that for road travel once off the motorways, any comparison with travel times back home over similar distances should be at least doubled if not multiplied by 2.5; while for public transport the smaller the quantity of luggage the better, as the distance from the bus/train station to the eventual destination is almost always longer in fact than it appears on the map By far the best results also seem to come from a relaxed itinerary - not matter how keen one is to resolve all those brick-walls, trying to do too much usually leads to frustration, and more importantly can lead to the wrong choice when one gets behind. Anyway I hope we are not going to have to wait too long for Linda's tale of her Arran visit - hinted at not long ago. ****** ****** ****** Admin: With the impact of the "sven" virus still in effect with large quantities of spam circulating, to combat the problem many ISP's are at last offering both Anti Spam and Anti Virus products to their users. Unfortunately at least one subscriber's ISP: gem.co.za is using an AV scan product with a bug in it. This causes the email to loop around about five of that ISP's servers, and then repeat until the "too many hops" trigger is activated. The resultant bounced message headers are 70+ Kb in size. I am advised that the problem is being worked on, so if you have been having problems contacting 'hillbilly', this may be the reason. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: TYRE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/542.1 Message Board Post: What connection did he have with Bute? Perhaps your query would be better on a surname board - there is one for the surname TYRE - with a subject line such as "Mr TYRE in USA early-mid 1800's" and TYRE in the Surname field.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/550.1 Message Board Post: How is she connected to Bute?

Hi Peter and listers Thanks for the warm welcome to your site. I'm researching any (Mac)GILCHRIST'S in the Bute area. The earliest one I know of was JOHN GILCHRIST who had 4 sons I think (I don't know of any daughters): William, Donald, Robert and Patrick. William's son Donald purchased or built the House of Northbarr near Glasgow in 1676. The earlier Donald was a sheriff depute, notary and chief clerk of Buteshire. He married Elizabeth Boyd and had 2 sons that I know of: Donald and John. Donald was a Notary Public and Town Clerk at Rothsay in the mid 1600's. He married Phinguel Stewart. John was a sheriff clerk of Bute in the 1630's and Town Clerk of Rothsay in 1649. He was also a Notary. I don't have any information about Robert or Patrick. I'd love to learn any more about this family or any other Gilchrist's from Bute. Are there any on-lines sites that would give me more info? Regards Lori Australia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/79.213.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: I was married to Tim McCaw his father is Mel (they are currently living in Peterbourough). Mel's father is Jack McCaw (served in WWII) that is all info on the McCaw's I have so far I have done my families ancestry back (some parts to 1600's). However, now I've decided to start the hard task of finding where Tim's lineage came from other then "Scotland". As Tim say's "my family was kicked out of Scotland for "sheep stealing". Thats all I know of the family tree Karen

Welcome to Chris &/or Carla, and to Lori Fletcher who have joined this week, and a belated but never-the-less warm welcome to Michelle Craig who joined us just over a week ago. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Please note that due to the ongoing effect of the sven virus, bt - both internet & openworld; and bigpond subscribers are still missing out on occasional posts. Would subscribers with these ISP's please check the list archives at regular intervals for missed posts, thanks. For November use ... http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/buteshiregenweb/2003-11 ****** ****** ****** While most spam is exactly that, this site &/or its mailing list may help some subscribers - at least they are operating on an 'opt in' basis {some parts of the message edited for clarity}... "Someone has requested to subscribe <your e-mail address> to the AncestorStuff.com Weekly Newsletter mailing list. It is our practice to verify all such requests before adding an address to our mailing list. AncestorStuff.com is an online book and CD store listing over 30,000 genealogy publications, many at discount prices. There is no charge for our newsletter, which highlights new additions to our listings, and offers discounts up to 50% or more on selected publications. All addresses are considered confidential and are not shared with other parties under any circumstances. Each issue of the Newsletter includes instructions for removing your address from the list. If you DO NOT wish to subscribe, you need do nothing at all. Those not responding will not be added to our mailing list and will not receive additional mailings from us. Thank you for your time and attention. The AncestorStuff.com Team 488 Landers Loop Dover, AR 72837 http://www.ancestorstuff.com " If you are interested, there is a link on the website to use to subscribe. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bannatyne, Gilchrist Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/298.305 Message Board Post: I have a Joan Bannatyne who married John (Mac) Gilchrist - not sure when but their 1st child was born in 1691. John was a writer at Kilmichael Glassary. They had 3 sons: John, Donald & James. I don't know any more about Joan except that she died between 1699 and 1716. Her parents may have been Ninian Bannatyne and Isobel Stweart.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/546.2 Message Board Post: sorry cann't help you withyour question but Im researching Egners can you help??? A

Go on Linda. Tell us about it. /cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <QQLindy@aol.com> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: [BUT] ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com > Concerning hmmmmmmm > And here I have been sitting afraid of sending in my story about my trip to > Arran because I did not want my writing skills and speeeling to embarrass me! - > Linda > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > For Websites or WebPages of Buteshire GenWeb subscribers see > http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/homepage.htm > >