Welcome to Charles Mullan who has joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Well, the first monthly topic "Unusual stories from old newspapers about Bute or about my Buteshire Ancestors" seems to have run out of steam, after some welcome initial postings, - - -. However with 'early' postings for next month's topic "Who, out of all your Buteshire ancestors, would you invite to dinner today ?" already appearing, March promises to provide interesting reading. For this last week of February - perhaps some on-list postings / discussion on other possible topics ? ****** ****** ****** Correction - having broken my own rules about checking and rechecking family history items before posting, in last weeks example for the upcoming topic, I mixed my generations - I would still on balance have invited Isabella Colquhoun (nee Buchanan), but it was her daughter Christina Wilson (nee Colquhoun) who went to the US to live with her married daughter Isabella Buchanan Racette (nee Wilson), then returned to live out her days with her spinster sister Agnes Colquhoun. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/559 Message Board Post: Seeking descendants of the following individuals that were tennant farmers living at Plan farm Kingarth, Bute, Scotland Haddow Hastings 1845 - Aug 12 1903 his wife Isabella Welsh abt 1858 d after Aug 12 1903 3 know children Mary Kennedy Hastings born 1881 Kingarth, Bute, Scotland married David Crawford one of the sons of the Kingarth Hotel apparently Mary and David emigrated to Victoria, British Columbia, Canada James Hastings b abt 1855 Kingarth, Bute, Scotland also emigrated to Canada Isabella W. Hastings b abt 1888 Kingarth, Bute, Scotland I can share ancestors of Haddow Hastings if someone can help with descendants of the above. thank you............Susan

I know this is Peter's topic for March, not February, but I am moving around at present and I might forget. My nominee would have to be my g.g.grandfather, Peter TAYLOR, not because of anything remarkable about his life, but because there are so many questions he could answer for me - if addressed to him with tact. These questions would be mundane, like those that many of us want answered. I would have to hope that we could understand each other - Peter would probably have a strong Scottish burr, whereas I never acquired the dialect of my ancestors and speak like the southern English. 1 You brought your family to Bute from West Kilbride in the late 1830s. What made you make the move? A general hope for betterment or something more specific? 2 Is it coincidental that your sister Catherine (wife of Archibald MALCOM) made the same move at possibly the same time? 3 You appear to have left James, your eldest son, behind. Did he die young? 4 Your three other sons went on to work in Glasgow in the 1850s. How did you feel about this move? Good, bad or inevitable? 5 One of these sons, Robert, was a Blacksmith all his working life. Did he serve his apprenticeship with the Blacksmith, Duncan McVICAR, at whose house in West Princes Street, Rothesay, Annie SHARP (the future wife of Robert's brother, John) was a servant in 1841, and is that how John and Annie met? 6 You worked in Bute as an Agricultural labourer, Gardener and Quarryman. Possibly also as a Victualler and Mason. Did you find it difficult to settle down, or was regular work in short supply? Had you hoped for something better? 7 Did you ever stop to stare across from Bute at Skipness on the Kintyre peninsula where you were born, and was that one of Bute's attractions for you? 8 When and where did your parents die (Gilbert and Elespy) - in Skipness, West Kilbride or Bute? 9 Who were their parents? Please, please, please! Martyn

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No question about it. Other than wanting more time with my father, grandfather and granduncle who passed on in the 70's, 80's & 90's, I would enjoy a dinner conversation with my Great Granduncle Malcolm Morrison. Although born and raised in Rothesay, "Uncle Malcolm" was a remarkable man away from the Island. Born in 1865 of Daniel and Margaret (White) Morrison, Malcolm became a joiner in Rothesay. At the age of 20, he attested as a Trooper in the Royal Regiment of Horse Guards (then called "The Blues", now called "The Blues and Royals") and went to Victorian London, Regents Street Barracks, from 10 Sep 1885 to 8 Jan 1889. Shortly after his honorable discharge, he went to the big city, Glasgow, and attested with the Glasgow Police, serving as a Constable there from 23 Jan 1889 to 7 Aug 1896. In 1900, the British Army and the War Ministry authorized Simon Joseph, 16th Lord Lovat and 22nd Chief of the Clan Fraser of Lovat to create two companies of scouts recruited from the Scottish Highlands. He sought out men who were adept at spying, stalking, riding and shooting. This was the beginning of the famous Lovat's Scouts and Malcolm was there. Malcolm was in the first contingent of Lovat's Scouts to fight in South Africa and did so from 6th Feb 1900 to 20 Aug 1901. He was discharged a Sergeant. Not quite ready to settle down, Malcolm went to Nova Scotia where his brother Dan lived and, from there, attested to a rather new law enforcement body known as The Northwest Mounted Police. This organization was put together a few years earlier to provide order in the wilds of Western Canada (during the Yukon Gold Rush) and maintain the presence of the government in this remote and hostile area. Although 36 years old when he began, Malcolm was in the Yukon Territory from 1901 to 1907, during which the NWMP became the Royal Northwest Mounted Police due to a proclamation by Prince Albert. Malcolm came back to Rothesay and lived out his life there, for some time at least living with his sister Margaret on Barone Road. Malcolm passed away 2 Jan 1943 and is buried in the High Kirk Cemetery in Rothesay. I heard stories about "Uncle Malcolm" growing up , but gave little thought to the reality of them. I was pleasantly surprised to find complete documentation of his service that showed that these wonderful stories I hear as a young laddie were true! How nice it would be to have a pleasant evening with him. Mike Morrison Oceanside, California

Welcome to Jill McKenzie & to Ann Callaghan who have joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Firstly, I regret to advise (for the benefit of AOL subscribers checking the archives) that AOL addresses are again bouncing in bulk (i.e. one bounce message covering all AOL based subscribers) ****** ****** ****** Another reminder that the theme for February is "Unusual stories from old newspapers about Bute or about my Buteshire Ancestors", and that suggestions for other themes would be welcomed. As things have slowed a little, lets expand the topic to include newspapers in Bute(shire) in general - most are aware that Bute has the "Buteman" - but how far was/is it distributed - did/does it get to Arran &/or Cumbrae? What do these other islands do for newspapers - do they in fact get a daily "morning" newspaper? I recall that when we were living in Derby (pronounced as spelt) in the far north Kimberley Region of Western Australia (late 1970's) - the daily newspaper arrived by plane at about 10:00 am, and so was read at lunch time or in the evening {Derby didn't have TV at that time). ----- ----- ----- A reminder also that the theme for March is "Who, out of all your Buteshire ancestors, would you invite to dinner today ?" - suggested Subject format is "Dinner guest - (name & date)" - content should give the age at which you would invite them, and also of course, say why. An example, using one group of ancestors whom I ended up excluding from my short list : "Dinner Guest - Isabella Colquhoun b 1828" My great great grandma Isabella (nee Buchanan - born Argyll) and her three children (2nd to 4th) were resident in Rothesay in 1851. Isabella is shown as Married and the "Wife of Engineer in Steamer",so husband Richard Colquhoun (born Glasgow in 1824) was presumably absent at sea. They were married in Rhu (or Row) DNB on 20 May 1845. Their 4th child and only son Richard jnr was born in Rothesay in late 1850 /early 1851, however the other two (Catherine & Christina) were born in Rhu. Another daughter Margaret was born in Rothesay in late 1852, before great grandma Isabella Colquhoun was born back in Rhu in 1857. So the family was in reality simply 'passing through' Rothesay - going where Richard's work took him. Never-the-less I'd love to be able to ask Isabella where her husband Richard was in 1851, and where her eldest daughter Agnes (age 6 in 1851) was at that time. Agnes didn't die until 1921, as Isabella returned from visiting Christina and her family who emigrated to the USA, to live out her days with her eldest daughter. I guess to cover all the questions, I'd have invited her to dinner after that US trip. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

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Hi, I'm new to this list and just posting my interests. My 4xg.grandparents Ann(ie) BOLTON (sometimes BOLTAN) married a weaver - James McGOWAN (sometimes McGOWN) - in Sept 1811 at Kilbride, Bute. Annie & James McGOWAN moved to Perth where their daughter, Mary, was born in 1813. Annie died in 1872 aged 91 years in Saltcoats, Ayreshire, where she was living with her granddaughter Ann LOVE. According to her death record Annie's parents were John BOLTON and Mary McKELVIE. Any connections? Best wishes ... Ann

No new subscribers this week - as always if you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** A reminder that the theme for February is "Unusual stories from old newspapers about Bute or about my Buteshire Ancestors", and that suggestions for other themes would be welcomed. Pat Jeffs wrote in response to my lead in (re Rothesay con men)... "Bute dwellers are still proud of their safety from crime. I should think that some less honest people could make a quick getaway by the Rhubhadoch ferry at the north end of the island, but there's a lot of incomers who don't know it is there. I know I didn't spell Rhubhadoch correctly, all I know is not to pronounce it "rubber duck". " So how is it pronounced ? ----- ----- ----- Thanks to Madeleine for the "Ploughing Match" item - I wonder if the fact that there were no father / son winners in the Senior and Junior events was significant or not ?? Looking at the list of winners, I think the Crawford family of Cranslagmorie may have enjoyed the event - does anyone claim them as ancestors ? ----- ----- ----- Irene mentioned "The Ardrossan and Saltcoats Herald, Arran and West Coast Advertiser" in response to another post - does that publication have anything that fits the topic ? ****** ****** ****** Further re last week's List Admin & AOL ... "Since AOL subscribers make up a large percentage of mailing list members, RootsWeb has created a new List specifically for them. The mailing list is named "AOLers-RootsWeb". It's purpose is to assist AOL users with questions related to their use of the RootsWeb mailing lists. Hopefully this new resource will help to forestall any future difficulties from arising between AOL and the RootsWeb mailing lists. You will find this new mailing list categorized on the mailing list webpage at http://lists.rootsweb.com under OTHER/RootsWeb Support/ The direct link is: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/RootsWeb_Support/AOLers-RootsWeb .html ." NB the last link may need to be joined back together ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Good morning! Just checking in. . .still wondering if anyone knows anything about Lafayette Shillito & his family ties prior to him popping up in NW Pennsylvania (Albion) around the late 1700 to early 1800s. He is my maternal gggrfather. There is no family knowledge from whence he came! Loose ends from my maternal grfather, Irwin McCurdy (maybe from Philadelphia), married Elizabeth Shillito of Albion, PA in late 1800/early 1900s....any ideas? And, just to toss into the mix: Charles Haney of Columbiana Ohio. My paternal ggf married Ida Mae Grove, daughter of Valentine Grove.....same area. From whence did Charles come to this country? :o) Thank you, Lianne My mum's family: Shillito - McCurdy - Stuart - Campbell - McBride My dad's: Harrold - Rapp - Grove - Heck - Haney. NE Ohio thru NW PA.

Hi Rhubodach is pronounced Rub (as in handcream into skin) bode ( as in abode without the a) and ach ..same sound as loch but a instead of aw....that quintessential scottish gutteral throat clearing sound. The emphasis is on the second syllable. I don't have access to the Ardrossan and Saltcoats Herald. All I have is a book called "Directory of Scottish newspapers" by Joan Ferguson published in 1984. And the index of intimations came from the Ayrshire list. Irene

In a message dated 01/02/2004 04:28:34 GMT Standard Time, cookfmly@bigpond.com writes: > Finally, let's see who reads right to the bottom - in an attempt to > get some more regular contributions - the theme for February is > "Unusual stories from old newspapers about Bute or about my Buteshire > Ancestors"; I'm sure we all read to the end Peter! It would be great to increase contributions. In that spirit I'm copying below a report of a ploughing match from The Rothesay Journal of March 17 1853. I don't claim it is unusual but it does include quite a few names so perhaps there might be something to interest someone. My HILL/McFIE ancestors were farm workers on Bute around this time so I like to think events like these meant something to them. Here goes: "This match which was put off from time to time, owing to the continued frost, took place on Tuesday 8th curt at Cranslagmorie, North Bute. The day which threatened to be very wet in the morning cleared up by 10 o'clock when 40 ploughs took their places in the field exhibiting an array of beautiful animals and keen-spirited ploughmen, which as the day advanced showed by their work the marked progress which has taken place in agricultural matters on the island during bygone years. A large contingent of spectators were present. The youthful Marquis of Bute honoured the field with his presence, accompanied by his noble mother the Marchioness of Bute, Lady Adelaide Hastings, Mr and Mrs Hamilton of Kames etc A refreshment was ordered to each ploughman at his Lordship's expense after the labours of the day. The prizes were awarded as follows:- Judges, Messrs Wm HUNTER, Ettrick; Robert SIMPSON, Ascog; Robert McFIE, Ettrick; James M'ALISTER, Kilchattan; James BARR, Cranslagloan Senior ploughmen 1st Prize with Highland Society's Medal Hugh DUNCAN, Upper Scoulag 2nd Prize William STEWART, Kerrycroy 3rd Prize John LITTLE, Stravanan 4th Prize Thomas HAIG, Kilmory 5th Prize John PATON, Greenan 6th Prize Hugh CRAWFORD, Cranslagmorie Junior ploughmen 1st Prize James GLENDINNING, Westland 2nd Prize James M'INTYRE, Ambrismore 3rd Prize William MORRISON, Grenach 4th Prize Duncan CONNAL, Achiemore Best pair horses 1st Prize Thomas STEVENSON, Ardmalish 2nd Prize David CRAWFORD, Cranslagmorie 3rd Prize Alex. DUNCAN Birgidale (sic) Best brood mare 1st Prize David CRAWFORD, Cranslagmorie 2nd Prize Thomas STEVENSON, Ardmalish 3rd Prize Alexander DUNCAN, Birgadale (sic) Horse judges Messrs LOCHEAD, Toward; SPEIRS, Kilellan; McGREGOR, Castle Toward. Hope someone recognises a name, Regards Madeleine Wales

I don't think there was a newspaper on Arran but one with the title "The Ardrossan and Saltcoats Herald, Arran and West Coast Advertiser" started publication in 1853 and the library in Ardrossan seems to have most of the copies. There is a database of intimations for what I think is the same newspaper http://www.ayrshire-roots.com/ but I don't know if they go up to 1904..certainly there's no Catherine Crawford on it. Irene

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/555.1 Message Board Post: The only post 1855 MI transcriptions were done in the late 1980's / early 1990's by the Manpower Commission. I understand a copy is held at the Isle of Arran Heritage Museum. They would also be able to confirm my hunch that there were no newspapers produced specifically on Arran during the period you mention. They should also be able to confirm that there is only one cemetery at Lochranza. Now the Isle of Arran Heritage Museum is closed to visitors until April 2004, however you may get some information by writing to info@arranmuseum.co.uk Peter List Admin ButeshireGenWeb-L

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Gilreath, Murray, Brassfield Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/369.2 Message Board Post: I worked on the William Wesley Gilreath tree 30 yrs ago. I quit, taught school for 30 yrs, raised a family, and now I am back. I am looking for ancestors of William W. Gilreath, b. 1730 Scotland , d. 6 May 1795 in Newberry, South Carolina, USA. Married Mary Arrington, also of Scotland @ 1751. Parents might be George Gilreath/Mary Murray.They lived in Bute Co, North Carolina, USA. I can trace from 1751 til the present. I live in Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. I'd love to share info. Susan G. Little

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Crawford Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/556 Message Board Post: Hi Peter, Thank you for your help in the past. I am trying to find the location of a gravestone in Lochranza for Catherine Crawford died 1904( erected by sister Margaret) Father, Alexander Crawford, mother Catherine Crawford. I had relatives who went to Lochranza and could not find it. Are there more than one cemetry in Lochranza? Also, did Arran have any newspapers between 1859 - 1920? Looking forward to your response. Regards, June McEwan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Crawford Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/555 Message Board Post: Hi Peter, Thank you for your help in the past. I am trying to find the location of a gravestone in Lochranza for Catherine Crawford died 1904( erected by sister Margaret) Father, Alexander Crawford, mother Catherine Crawford. I had relatives who went to Lochranza and could not find it. Are there more than one cemetry in Lochranza? Also, did Arran have any newspapers between 1859 - 1920? Looking forward to your response. Regards, June McEwan

In a message dated 03/02/2004 17:49:24 GMT Standard Time, > my gg gf, john mcletchie, lived at hillside, serpentine, rothesay for some > years around 1881...his employment was gardener > >a family story has emerged that he was employed on the above estate, > perhaps even as head gardener...but i have no proof of this > >can anyone point me in the right direction? ...i have lots of other info if > needed Hmmm I looked on the 1881 census for Hillside at the top of the Serpentine and found this Dwelling: Hillside House Census Place: Rothesay, Bute, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203565 GRO Ref Volume 558 EnumDist 18 Page 20 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Isabella DAVIDSON U 65 F Ayr, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Cook but there was another Hillside out towards Mountstuart which had Dwelling: Hillside Census Place: Rothesay, Bute, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203565 GRO Ref Volume 558 EnumDist 23 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Jessie ANDREWS W 57 F Crieff, Perth, Scotland Rel: Head Margaret HUNTER U 45 F Crieff, Perth, Scotland Rel: Sis Occ: Houses and the previous entry was Dwelling: Glendermott Lodge Census Place: Rothesay, Bute, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203565 GRO Ref Volume 558 EnumDist 23 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William MC NEIL M 48 M Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Gardener Jane MC NEILL M 46 F Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Gardeners Wife James MC NEILL 14 M Chryston, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William MC NEILL 12 M Chryston, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John MC NEILL 11 M Chryston, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar There was no John McL* anywhere in the index on Bute Irene