Project update. The transcription of the 1851 census for Buteshire is now 73% complete and work is now moving to the checking stage. Hopefully we should be in a position to get some of the county on-line in the next 8-10 weeks. (Arran should be among the first pieces to be completed.) We are always looking for volunteers to help with this work so if anyone is in a position to help in this respect, I'd be delighted to hear from you. Bill McKinlay Coord for FreeCen project for Buteshire For Project status Click here ----- Original Message ----- From: <gmcewan@vianet.ca> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:58 PM Subject: [BUT] 1851 Census | This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. | | Classification: Query | | Message Board URL: | | http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/562 | | Message Board Post: | | Could someone tell me please if the 1851 Census for Arran is online yet? | | Thanks, | | June | | | ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== | ***************************************************************** ****** | The Buteshire GenWeb page is at | http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/ |

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/393.406.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Robert I've got your messages, through this site and also Genforum, but I will need to study them more carefully. I'm afraid if there is an earlier connection to Ireland than my great grandfather John, and his brother Archibald, I haven't come across it before. However, I've never been able to explain why they came to Ireland, and what you say may make sense. My theory was that the Hamiltons (Earl of Arran) had estates in the West of Ireland, and perhaps they received some incentive to move here to work on his estate here. I'd be delighted to receive anything you have, and my email is marymcg@kellysol.ie. I think I have a family tree on disk that might be formatted better than the one on the Genforum site, so it would be easier to read. If you give me your email address I'll dig it out and send it to you. Mary

Hi Everyone Is anyone looking for this wanderer? This is a transcription of a marriage registration for Toronto--pity she didn't give her maiden name. #011091-75 (Toronto): Perry GRANT, full age, Ashford Kent England, Toronto, --, carpenter, s/o Thomas & Mary, married Martha STEPHENSON, full age, Rothesay Scotland, Toronto, widow, d/o William John & Ellen, witn F[?] T LONG & Richard RIGBY, 15 May 1875 /cheers Pat Jeffs

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McGregor McGrigor, McAlister, Armour, McKenzie Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/393.406.2.1 Message Board Post: Mary - I have taken your information and then researched some exact dates using the Scottish Records Office - I have now completed all of the research that I can and I have incorporated it into a new Gedcom file that has been posted on the site. I have included FR references and GROS Data references wherever possible. I have also used the spelling "McGregor" throughout my file just to make it easier to spot duplicates - but if that person was found under a different spelling, I have recorded that within the file too. There are many links between your line of Irish McGregors, this line of Kilmory McGregors and my own McGregors from Irvine, Ardrossan and Dundonald in Ayrshire - but I just cannot find the common link around 1760-1800. It would be good to know more about your knowledge of the Irish lineage because I think it predates John and Archibald's emigration to Ireland - in fact, they may have been returning to an existing branch of the family. The possible names in Irela! nd are Robert, Peter, Charles, Colin, Isabella, and John. The names Mary Connell and Mary McConnell feature too. If you are able to provide an email address, I will share any other information that I have. You may also have some interest in Isabella Armour McGregor on the family tree - she appears to have been born in Ireland around 1867 before coming back to look after her great uncle in Saltcoats, Scotland and then getting married in Kilmory!! Regards, Robert McGregor

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Cunningham Morrison Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/172.173.1 Message Board Post: Hi I am currently researching my family tree and my GGG Grandparents are Catherine Cunningham married to an Alexander Morrison. Thier son My GG Grandfather is called John Morrison he was born in Whiting Bay Arran Bute, he married my GG Grandmother Elizabeth Roy in 1860 in Saltcoats. do you think their is any connection?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/562 Message Board Post: Could someone tell me please if the 1851 Census for Arran is online yet? Thanks, June

Willie I hadn't heard of that book before. You couldn't advise me what Ballymeanoch was in Gaelic, could you? TIA edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton SystemWorks

Ian Fraser`s book "The Place Names of Arran" gives the following map references:- Milland 940499 This would put it just a little south of the eastern end of the present village of Lochranza. Narachan 942503 Similarly this is to the east end of the village but on the north side of the burn which flows into Loch Ranza. According to the book the name is from Gaelic for snake-like and applies to a situation beside a meandering serpentine stream. Willie

One excellent site for old maps is that of the National Library of Scotland. This I have found is a lot easier to navigate around than the old-maps.co.uk site. This is something I have been doing rather a lot of as we are putting together a placename list for Scotland to assist with census transcription. There are about 10,000 placenames we are sorting through which will be purely identified by county so as you can imagine, it is fairly slow work. I'll let you know when and where it is available. The URL for the NLS site is; http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/early/index.html In my spare time, (joke) I'm working on a Bute placename list with the various spelling variations though that too is slow work. In the meantime, the following are the places listed in the 1891 census, as per the spelling used then. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buteshire1841/Address.htm Cheers all, Bill Coord for Buteshire FreeCen project

Due to RootsWeb's policy of no attachments being sent to the lists, subscribers should note that to view the maps (4) mentioned in a recent query board post, you will need click on the link in the message, then open up the maps at the query board on-line. regards Peter

The somewhat irrelevant thought that occurred to me as I, like Peter, watched the Australian Grand Prix yesterday was that there was probably more horsepower available to those 20 drivers that to all the inhabitants of Bute combined 150 years ago. On the topic of who I'd invite for dinner, there really wasn't any great difficulty deciding on my gg grandfather John McKinlay. While the question of what became of his 7 siblings, of whom I can find no trace, I suspect would likely be a very painful subject, and one not to be dwelt on in any great depth, his life and times I think would reveal a lot about the Rothesay community in the early to mid 1800s. John was a fish curer so would have witnessed the decline of the inshore fisheries - in his later working life he had to travel as far away as Skye to ply his trade. In addition, he was involved with the free church following the disruptions in 1843 as well as being Burgh treasurer for a number of years so would have been well aware of the social issues of the time. Although little mention is made in the early histories, the Marquis of Bute was Provost as well as patron of the established church and did evict tenants who joined the breakaway congregation, so it is difficult for me to believe that he did not similarly try to influence the town dwellers as well. Just what was done and how did the town folks react (apart from setting up schools and chapels.) With the rise of the cotton industry, and the influx of outsiders to what was effectively, a very small community, what issues and problems did that create? The other area of major interest would be concerning emigation. In the early 1850s within a very short period of time, his sons and most of his nephews packed up and headed for the other side of the world. Was this part of an organised emigration scheme, following the band, the lure of gold in Australia, escaping the harshness on the industrial revolution, and what was the impact on families and the community that remained behind. This rather sets the time period of the dinner. He himself would have, by the mid 1850s, been too old to look at starting a new life, but hopefully still had all his marbles at that stage. regards, Bill

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/555.1.1.1 Message Board Post: For the most detailed OS maps (1890's vintage) go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ A cuurent copy of the OS landranger map may also help {#69 for Arran} - for example it shows 'Narachan' just eastwards across the stream from LochRanza - the 1890's map would probably show now long gone buildings. Your guess re Ballykine is possibly correct - the spellings on Arran vary quite a bit over time. {Note Landrangers #62 / #63 cover Bute}

Hello everyone, I'd invite my great-great-grandmother Flora CURRIE to dinner because you are always going to get more family info from a woman <grin>. Flora, married to my great-great-grandfather Archibald HILL, a farm worker, died on Bute in 1881, aged 83 according to her death certificate. Hopefully she would be able to give me lots of information, not only about her own parents and Archibald's, but also about all the other people on Bute who I suspect might be relatives. More importantly, she'd give me lots of personal details about them all. I'd really like to have a good gossip (Flora might disapprove of gossip, of course). As to Flora herself, how did she feel in the early 1840s, very likely in 1843 when she was pregnant, when she left Skipness in Kintyre for Bute, with Archibald and at least one child? The move is believed to have been forced when a new landlord took over the Skipness estate. Other Skipness people moved to Bute around the same time, but did Flora miss the closeness of the farm township? Or was life easier on Bute, with all its agricultural improvements? How did Flora cope, bringing up a family on a Bute farm labourer's wage, moving from farm to farm over the years? Did the family feel disadvantaged because they were Gaelic-speaking? Did she worry when her husband, presumably no longer employable as a farm labourer, was working as a roadman in his 70s? I suppose she was simply relieved he was earning money. And what would we eat at our dinner? In Kintyre, I understand, Flora's diet would have consisted largely of potatoes, oatmeal, milk and herring. I assume it would be much the same on Bute. Chicken was eaten at Skipness weddings etc, so that's what I'd serve. I hope Flora wouldn't be too disappointed in a squeamish great-great-granddaughter who had to have someone else kill the chicken, Regards Madeleine Wales

I have the ordnance survey of Scotland surveyed 1874 1"=1mile Narachan 1 r is 1/2 mile south of Loch Ranza which looks like the surveyor is calling the sea inlet. No dot for town but church,smitty, the lodge, Fort. Could this be the castle & or a new town Lochranza. Map reprint in 1987 ISBN 1 85349 013 X ----- Original Message ----- From: <gmcewan@vianet.ca> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: [BUT] Searching for towns on old Arran Maps > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Crawford > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/555.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Thank you Peter for the info on Lochranza. It has helped me dig a little deeper in my search. > > I am now searching for some small towns and small communties on old Arran maps but have not come up with anything concrete yet. > > Do you happen to have an old map showing the folowing communities? > > One place is Mill Sands or Mill Hill mentioned in the 1841 Census ( between Penrioch or Clackering). I think I found Penrioch but cannot find Clackering. > > Also, #720 on the same census mentioned there was a school house and I would like to find out where it is located on the map and how close it is to Lochranza and Mill Sands? > > Next, I have been searching for a town called Barrnakin. I found a place called Ballykine. Could that be the same place? > Also, 2 other places I have been trying to locate are - > Narrachan and Soncil. > > Thank you fro your past assistance. As Always, it is much appreciated. > > Regards, > > June > > > ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************************** > Preserve your peace-of-mind: practice Safe E-mail habits > DO NOT open unsolicited e-mail attachments >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/561 Message Board Post: For anyone who is searching for locations of Ancestors in old maps of Arran. I am attaching a file that might assist you. Happy hunting! June Crawford McEwan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Crawford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/555.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you Peter for the info on Lochranza. It has helped me dig a little deeper in my search. I am now searching for some small towns and small communties on old Arran maps but have not come up with anything concrete yet. Do you happen to have an old map showing the folowing communities? One place is Mill Sands or Mill Hill mentioned in the 1841 Census ( between Penrioch or Clackering). I think I found Penrioch but cannot find Clackering. Also, #720 on the same census mentioned there was a school house and I would like to find out where it is located on the map and how close it is to Lochranza and Mill Sands? Next, I have been searching for a town called Barrnakin. I found a place called Ballykine. Could that be the same place? Also, 2 other places I have been trying to locate are - Narrachan and Soncil. Thank you fro your past assistance. As Always, it is much appreciated. Regards, June

No new subscribers this week, and apparently very few ancestors worthy of being invited to Dinner ??? Feel free to join in and present your own items, I'm heading back to the goggle box to watch the Grand Prix. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Please remember to send ALL mail for the list to ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com no matter whether you are subscribed to List or Digest mode, and just use the -request@ address for subscribe and unsubscribe messages, thanks -----Original Message----- From: Deafbuteman@aol.com <Deafbuteman@aol.com> To: ButeshireGenWeb-L-request@rootsweb.com <ButeshireGenWeb-L-request@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, 2 March 2004 20:06 Subject: Re: [BUT] High Kirk layout of the lairs > >Hi >I finally got the deatils of my ancestors buried at the High Kirk Cemetery >in Rothesay. >What do I need now is lair layout plan I wonder if you have a copy that can >be email to me? >direct email to me is _bryan.deaf@virgin.net_ (mailto:bryan.deaf@virgin.net) >Thanks in advance. >Bryan >

If you have two (or more) e-mail addresses, you MUST use the one with which you subscribed for all postings to the list. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Morrison <mikemorrison@netscape.com> To: ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 3 March 2004 03:14 Subject: {not a subscriber} Occupations >Does anyone know what a "Stationer" did (1858) ? How about a "Commercial >Traveler" (1861)? > >Mike Morrison >

There is a map with the numbers of the gravestones at the front of the published book of MIs .....Bute and Arran MIs by Alison Mitchell ISBN 0 901061 31 X but a lair plan if it exists would be the property of the local authority parks and cemeteries dept, and I should think they would charge for supplying a copy. Irene