This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Symons, Mortimore Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/574 Message Board Post: The following obituary was published in The Vancouver Sun newspaper (British Columbia, Canada) on 14 October 1994. This is a volunteer submission with no further information and no relationship to the deceased or to any of the persons mentioned in the obituary. Every effort was made to record this info accurately but, if you have a connection to this family, please verify the info in the original source. Condolences are extended to the family for their loss. SYMONS -- Thomas Mortimore on Wednesday, October 12th, 1994 at Saint Paul's Hospital; born July 25th, 1921 in Rothesay, Scotland. Will be sadly missed by his loving wife Catherine and sons David and Paul and daughter-in-law Angie; he is also survived by his sister Nancy (Alec) and nieces and nephews in Australia; sister-in-law Anne in Scotland; and lovingly remembered by nieces here and in Scotland as well as his cousin Robert in Haney; his many dear friends and his sailing pals. Special thanks to the caring and dedicated staff of the Cardiac Unit of Saint Paul's Hospital. A Service of Remembrance will be held at Saint Stephen's United Church, 7025 Granville Street (at 54th) at 2 p.m. on Tuesday, October 18th. In lieu of flowers donations may be sent to the B.C. Heart & Stroke Foundation. END

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/130.15.2 Message Board Post: hoping to find john cook b.1775 native of isle arran. this j.cook was married to helen kennedy and they had 8 children; my gggrandfather is alexander "sandy" cook mary/william ferguson james/? peter/? john jr./margaret mcpherson neil/mary currie alexander/mary furguson helen/james macmillan catherine/duncan maccormack please email me if you have any info on these individuals or relatives. just starting out and no family help for this. thanks again cimarronbluff@cowboynet.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: COOK, kennedy, stewart, ferguson, kerr, currie,mcmillian, maccormick Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/130.15.1 Message Board Post: this mess is for ron nordstrom or anyone that may link my cook family from arran scotland to northern ca coast. looking for john cook b. abt 1775 married helen kennedy son alexander "sandy" cook married mary furguson(ferguson). not sure if this john cook, should be mccook or not. lots of trouble with repeating names. my family immagrated to blacklands, new mills, charlo restigouche NB maybe on the caledonia at least some names appear in 1829 menifeist. alex had a son named neil cook who married mary gifford and my grandmother is edna olive cook. very interested in getting my arran family straightened out and accurate could anyone tell me about this family. thanks again

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: cook Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/572.1 Message Board Post: hi, i'm ggranddaughter to neil cook, father alex "sandy" cook, and gggfather john cook married to helen kennedy. i've traced our family from restigouche NB, (blacklands new mills) areas back to arran. your family tree has given some insight and pops up alot. with so many repetitive family names i'm having trouble. if you could, maybe find our family connections and any info on john or alex. thanks so much l.hughey

Hi All, Thought it was time to give a progress report on the 1851 census transcription for Bute. Transcribing is now 85% complete and 35% of the county is now available on-line at http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ The parts done are the parishes of Kilmory, Lochranza and EDs 9-16 of Rothesay burgh. The description of the area covered by these pieces can be found at; http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buteshire1841/index.htm Another 50% of the county is currently being checked or waiting to be done. This has all been done in about 8 months which is quite an achievement by a small team of volunteers. We are always looking for additional helpers so if you have access to a fiche reader and a bit of spare time, I'd be delighted to hear from you. It certainly would lighten the load, particularly if we are going to do further censuses. The county population was steadily growing through the 19th century and each one is bigger than the last. Happy hunting Bill McKinlay FreeCen coordinator for Bute and Ayr

Well done and thanks to Bill and the other volunteers - a marvellous result! edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton SystemWorks

Welcome to Heather MacAlister who has joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** For the May topic, lets try one for the lucky one's amongst us - "My Visit to Bute (or Arran or Cumbrae)" - research successes / failures, useful hints (do's / don'ts), etc, etc ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@comcast.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Heather I had a quick look for this family, as I thought that Matthew SOMMERVILLE might have been a distant relative of mine, but this turns out to be a different Matthew SOMMERVILLE. Your Matthew SOMMERVILLE died at Vulcan Cottage, Millport, Cumbrae, Buteshire, on 24 Jan 1890 at the age of 61. His death certificate records his parents as Thomas SOMMERVILLE, a Farmer, and Christina McLARTY. His widow, Agnes BUNTAIN, died at the same address (with the addition of the words "Glasgow Street") on 29 Oct 1916 at the age of 83. Unfortunately (and unusually) her death certificate does not name her parents, except to confirm her father's surname. Hope this helps. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather MacAlister" <heather@genealogy.co.za> To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: [BUT] SOMMERVILLE + BUNTAIN <snip> > I am also struggling to find the parents of Mathew Sommerville and Agnes Buntain <snip>

Hello and a very good morning to you all This is my first time on this mailing list after managing to spend some time finally on my own family. My name is Heather MacAlister and I live in Cape Town, South Africa. I am researching the families of Somerville and Buntain (just for starters) and would love to hear from anyone who has similar names. I am also struggling to find the parents of Mathew Sommerville and Agnes Buntain and seem to be going around in circles - any help at all would be great. Thanking you all in advance, Heather Descendants of Mathew Sommerville Generation No. 1 1. MATHEW1 SOMMERVILLE was born Abt. 1830 in Millport, Bute. He married AGNES BUNTAIN 22 October 1852 in Kilmacolm, Renfrew. She was born Abt. 1832 in Kilmacolm, Renfrew, Scotland. Notes for MATHEW SOMMERVILLE: In the 1881 cenus Mathew and his family were living at Vulcan House, Cumbrae, Bute in Scotland. More About MATHEW SOMMERVILLE: Occupation: Master Blacksmith More About MATHEW SOMMERVILLE and AGNES BUNTAIN: Marriage: 22 October 1852, Kilmacolm, Renfrew Children of MATHEW SOMMERVILLE and AGNES BUNTAIN are: 2. i. WILLIAM2 SOMMERVILLE, b. 19 April 1861, Cumbrae, Bute, Scotland at 8.am. ii. MAGGIE W. SOMMERVILLE, b. 1853, Millport, Bute. More About MAGGIE W. SOMMERVILLE: Occupation: 1881, Dressmaker iii. THOMAS SOMMERVILLE, b. 1855, Millport, Bute. More About THOMAS SOMMERVILLE: Occupation: 1881, Blacksmith iv. AGNES B. SOMMERVILLE, b. 1859, Millport, Bute. More About AGNES B. SOMMERVILLE: Occupation: 1881, Tailoress v. JANET SOMMERVILLE, b. 27 February 1863, Cumbrae, Bute. More About JANET SOMMERVILLE: Occupation: 1881, Dressmaker vi. CHRISTINA MCLARTY SOMMERVILLE, b. 31 October 1856. Generation No. 2 2. WILLIAM2 SOMMERVILLE (MATHEW1) was born 19 April 1861 in Cumbrae, Bute, Scotland at 8.am. He married ISABELL EDWARDS 25 November 1878 in Stuart Street, Millport at the Established Church, daughter of RICHARD EDWARDS and MARTHA ??. She was born 1862 in Fleetwood, Lancashire. More About WILLIAM SOMMERVILLE: Census: 1881, Blacksmith aged 19yrs Census 1901: Blacksmith More About WILLIAM SOMMERVILLE and ISABELL EDWARDS: Marriage: 25 November 1878, Stuart Street, Millport at the Established Church Children of WILLIAM SOMMERVILLE and ISABELL EDWARDS are: i. FANNY3 SOMMERVILLE, b. 1879, Millport, Bute, Scotland; m. JOHN CRAIG, September 1902 Newcastle on Tyne Vol 10b page 231. More About JOHN CRAIG: Occupation: Blacksmith More About JOHN CRAIG and FANNY SOMMERVILLE: Marriage: September 1902 Newcastle on Tyne Vol 10b page 231 ii. MATHEW SOMMERVILLE, b. 1882, Glasgow, Scotland. More About MATHEW SOMMERVILLE: Census: 1901, Apprentice Blacksmith iii. RICHARD SOMMERVILLE, b. 1884, Glasgow, Scotland. More About RICHARD SOMMERVILLE: Census: 1901, Apprentice Blacksmith iv. MAGGIE SOMMERVILLE, b. 1886, Glasgow, Scotland. More About MAGGIE SOMMERVILLE: Census: 1901, Apprentice tailoress v. WILLIAM SOMMERVILLE, b. 1888, Glasgow, Scotland. More About WILLIAM SOMMERVILLE: Census: 1901, Errand boy post vi. AGNES SOMMERVILLE, b. 1892, Hartwood, Shotts. vii. CHRISTINA SOMMERVILLE, b. 1894, Millport, Bute, Scotland. viii. THOMAS SOMMERVILLE, b. 1896, Millport, Bute, Scotland. ix. JESSIE SOMMERVILLE, b. 1899, Millport, Bute, Scotland. Heather's South African Genealogy Help List www.genealogy.co.za Scribes Ink. Publishing - South African Genealogy on CD www.genealogy.co.za/scribes.html Cape Town Family History Society www.genealogy.co.za/society/socweb.htm

Fellow genealogists, Have you ever used the Internet to learn about genealogy methods and resources? Taken a genealogy course online? Read some 'how to' articles? Then I would like to hear from you. I am an Australian Ph.D. student who is currently writing a book chapter for an academic Virtual Learning Environment publication - my chapter is about using the Internet for genealogical education. I would therefore love to hear from you, fellow genealogists, about any Internet-based content you've used for genealogy education. This includes online courses (free or fee), how-to's, articles/columns, newsgroups, BBS, chat, mailing lists, forums, or even personal web pages that publish learning material - anything online that helps you in learning the craft of genealogy. Your comments on the following is of utmost interest: What are your favourite learning outlets on the Internet? How often do you use them? Can or did you find what you needed online? What are your learning successes? What could be better? What do you look for in genealogical learning on the Internet? If you would like to participate, your comments are extremely welcome. Please send your comments to me directly at research@veale.com.au before Saturday 1st May 2004. I thank you in advance for your participation in this academic research. Kylie Veale P.S. Names and email addresses will be protected and are therefore not included in the publication. Copies of the paper will be made available to interested participants on request, after the book has been published. ----------------------------------------------- Kylie J. Veale | Brisbane, Australia GradDipInvEnv, MInetStds(Design) Provisional PhD candidate http://www.veale.com.au/kylie icq: 27938257 msn: kyliej@hotmail.com yahoo: kylie_veale

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/572 Message Board Post: I married into this family and have done some research as far back as 1878 wedding and we still live on the island. If you can give me some more details I will try and find out any information I can.

I have just updated Births and Deaths, and will try to get the other sections updated within a few days. We now have over 30,000!!! And now for the URL - www.sctbdm.com :) Cheers Sue

I have just updated Births and Deaths, and will try to get the other sections updated within a few days. We now have over 30,000!!! Cheers Sue

Edward Thanks for this suggestion, which is similar to one sent to me by someone else off-list, and therefore I am replying similarly. You may be right, but it's strange that the "false memories" were so precise (and wrong) about the dates - five times. It's almost as if a second unrelated set of dates was written down correctly for a different purpose and then mixed up with the first one. Thanks for your interest. Martyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Epaxton@aol.com To: martyntaylor@msn.com ; ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [BUT] Erroneous MALCOM gravestone in North Bute I would suspect that the gravestone was erected by the children who died in the 1940/1960's who went on memory, or family lore, which was simply in error. The family may have been unable to afford a gravestone before this period. Many graves were simply marked by wooden crosses which rotted away.

I would appreciate thoughts on the following gravestone in the North Bute churchyard, concerning a single family, in which five (out of eight) of the dates of death are totally erroneous. The inscription (a very clear one) reads as follows (the asterisks have been added by me and are explained below): ~~~ Inscription begins ~~~ In memory of Archibald MALCOM died 18 June 1885* and his wife Jean Boyd MALCOM died 15 June 1919* Their family: Margaret died 6 April 1873* Jean died 14 October 1877* John died 17 January 1888* Mary died 14 March 1948 Gilbert died 6 February 1962 Annie died 24 April 1966 ~~~ Inscription ends ~~~ This family is well known to me, being well documented by birth certificates and census returns. The first two are the parents of the other six, the children being all unmarried (three married children and one other are omitted). My problem is that the dates marked with an asterisk are unsupported by the ScotlandsPeople site and proved after long investigation to be totally fictitious. The actual places and dates of death of these five were: Archibald, Lochgilphead, 31 Mar 1883; Jean (the mother), Port Bannatyne, 29 Jun 1920; Margaret, Port Bannatyne, 28 Jun 1881; Jean (the daughter), Port Bannatyne, 21 Mar 1882; John, Port Bannatyne, 13 Jun 1871. Archibald, a local boat hirer, died in the Argyll & Bute District Asylum, and I toyed with the thought that the earlier dates of death were supplied by him, at a time when he was mentally impaired. However, that does not seem very likely, as his own date of death is one of the erroneous ones, and two others postdate it. My questions are these: 1 Does anyone have a plausible explanation why five of these dates should be so completely wrong? - this is not just a matter of a few misread figures, the errors seem to be completely random. 2 Has anyone found similar mistakes elsewhere? 3 Is there any way of discovering when the gravestone was erected, and who paid for it? 4 Is there any authority that can or should be notified of this, to avoid misleading others?

I would suspect that the gravestone was erected by the children who died in the 1940/1960's who went on memory, or family lore, which was simply in error. The family may have been unable to afford a gravestone before this period. Many graves were simply marked by wooden crosses which rotted away. edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton SystemWorks

No new subscribers, however as always, if you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Its Anzac Day here in Australia & New Zealand (25th April), with many of our younger and not so young folk making a modern day pilgrimage to Gallipoli in Turkey. In times past there were pilgrimages to Canterbury (for example as told in Chaucer's Tales). Arran has Holy Island with the Cave of St Molaise, which has had occasional visits from pilgrims - does Bute have any similar sites? ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

I have just joined the group, but have been having some problems with receiving the digests. I'm hoping that has now been sorted. I have some notes written by my wife's great-great-grandfather, Peter Mayor CAMPBELL who was born in 1838 in Stevenston, Ayr. In these notes he says his mother was born on the Isle of Arran, though her brother and her father seem to come from Coatbridge way. So I would be interested if anyone has come across the MAYOR name (sometimes MEIR) around the 1800 period. I thin Mary MAYOR may have been the daughter of Peter MAYOR and Ann MUNN. John -- John Rouse

The following is a slightly edited item sent in by Charles McCormick, which should be of interest. Thanks Charles. Caveat: neither Charles nor I have any connection with the services detailed in the first item - it is recommended that you do as the writer suggests and "check out" the web site first. >PUBLICATION : The Guardian (Charlottetown) >DATE : 2004.04.20 >SECTION: Features PAGE: C3 >COLUMN: Missing Links >SOURCE: Special to The Guardian (Charlottetown) BYLINE: Sandra Devlin > >HEADLINE: Putting genealogy on the map >If your early ancestors are from Ireland, Scotland, England or Wales, >you will want to check out a series of maps created by historian and >cartographer John Garnons William based on genealogical data from >sources like the Domesday Book and Book of Kells. >His Family Name Maps of Medieval Ireland and Clan Maps of Scotland >show more than 300 family and clan surnames. >The maps of England, the English counties and Wales show place names >now used as surnames all over the English-speaking world with the >spelling from the Domesday Book recorded in 1086 being the oldest >recorded spelling. >Although the English started using surnames about 1100, these names >often changed from generation to generation and hereditary surnames >only came into general usage from the mid-1400s. "The maps have >proven highly popular in Europe but have had very little exposure in >North America where so many of British and Irish descent are now >resident," says John's son Chris. >These 50 fascinating hand-coloured maps show nearly 10,000 place >names of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. >The maps of Ireland and Scotland also show nearly 300 family and >clan names in their earliest forms. >To make the maps fully accessible and enjoyable to expert and non- >expert alike, each comes with a free black and white key map showing >the modern spelling of every place name marked. >The Irish, Scots and Welch maps each come with a comprehensive >booklet giving a early history of the country, as well as the meaning >of every family and place name shown. >The Williams' Domesday Collection might be the most important series >of hand-drawn historical and genealogical maps to be drawn this >century. >On completion of his Domesday England series of county maps in 1986, >John was elected a Fellow of the Royal Geographical Society. >Prices range from $21-$75 (US). >Contact 68 Ellesmere Road, Shrewsbury, SY1 2QP United Kingdom; >website: http://www.gwp.enta.net > >ROOT-TOOT >MORE MAPS: Maps, plans and charts is one of the newest categories >on Archivia, the National Archives' website, www.archives.ca. There >are interesting 17th and 18th century maps of Atlantic <Canada>, as >well as 1895 electoral maps. > >Missing Links is published every Tuesday in The Guardian. Send >surname queries and notices to Sandra Devlin, 81 Weston St., >Moncton, N.B., E1A 7B8; e-mail: sdevlin4770@rogers.com >Queries for publication are limited to 35 words plus forwarding >address. >Responses to individual searchers should be sent directly to them.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mclachlan Morrison Morison Fletcher Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/571 Message Board Post: Hi all, In 1901 there was a seed warehouse in Bute maybe Rothesay area. Can anyone enlighten me as to it's whereabouts and it's products. thank you