Thanks for the welcome Peter. I joined the group for a while in the past and do keep track of things occasionally. I haven't gone through any archives recently however. I've likely posted much the same message in the past but here is a refresher. My Wallace ancestors moved around a little. They were foresters or gardeners as far as I can tell. The earlier generations seem to have been in Neilston, Renfewshire. James Wallace and wife Barbara Wark were married there in 1796 and the older children in their family were born in Neilston but they then had a daughter while in Dunoon and Kilmun and I'm told that a son David and a daughter Marion were then born in Rothesay, Bute in 1814 and 1817 respectively. I can find all the other birth records on Scotland's People but don't find David and Marion so far. My ancestor James Wallace was born 14 July 1802 in Neilston and married Margaret Currie in Foreland, Islay, Argyll in 1835. Their first 3 children James, Catherine and John were born on Islay (my great grandfather James was born 1836) and the family then moved to Rothesay in 1841 or 1842. Agnes was born there in 1842, Alexander in 1845, Barbara in 1847, Janet in 1850 and a census record for probably 1861 suggests that a son was born in about 1854. The name wasn't clear - looked like Dan but may be David. James Wallace (1802) died 30 May 1874 in Rothesay and a son David was listed as the informant. I haven't been able to find birth marriage or death record for him at this point though on Scotland's People I've now made contact with other descendants of the Wallace/Currie family - Catherine's and Alexander's lines but I'd be very happy to connect with anyone else searching Wallaces on Bute or neighbouring regions. Kathy Wallace Ottawa, Canada kathyw@magma.ca

Welcome to Eleanor Strain who has joined this week, and welcome back to Kathy who rejoined us today. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** ADMIN As stated in the note over my copied Musings post sent yesterday, the server at RootsWeb that covers this list, had been down since 3rd July (late Saturday night at RootsWeb: GMT -7) until Friday 9th July. Posts sent in while RootsWeb was unaware of the problem should have been bounced back to you. However some, like mine, were delayed by intermediate Web Servers attempting to resend them for up to five days - before finally bounced them back. Any bounced messages will need to be resubmitted. Posts sent in after the problem was discovered, should have been stored at RootsWeb, then sent on in the last 48 hours - looking at Ayrshire-L which was another of the affected lists, posts from 4 July onwards have now appeared, so the backlog seems to have been cleared. So, if you have posted to an affected list during the last week, and your message has not come through by now, you will need to resend. If you find mail has 'dried up' on more than one of your lists, it's best to check out http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ for latest update. ****** ****** ****** One of our delayed messages was Ailsa's re Tighnabruaich. Sorry Ailsa, it's not in Bute, but close by on the arm of Argyll to the west of the island across the Kyles of Bute. The closest point on Bute would probably be either Kilmichael or Glecknabae. So try SCT-ARGYLL-L for help on your Samuel MILLAR. ****** ****** ****** Well we only have three weeks for this month's topic "Indexes or other publications on Microfilm, Microfiche or CD-ROM, or Websites that you have found helpful to your Buteshire &/or Scottish research." due to the server problems, so here are a couple to set the ball rolling ... Bute researchers are fortunate that the McKirdy's had Bute interests, as this means the McKirdy Death index on microfiche covers 1855 to 1875. This and other seta are now available by mail order from the NZGS - check out their website for a downloadable form and other details. Another fiche set for Bute is the County of Bute 1851 Census issued as part of the series published for it's post 1974 region of Argyll & West of Scotland. Probably replaced by the work of Bill's team on the Census transcriptions, but useful if held by a library without internet access. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook <cookfmly@bigpond.com> List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara <babrown12@comcast.net> of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

This post got caught up in the "lists2" server problems/shutdown at RootsWeb this week - somehow the bounce advice also got caught up - came through as the backlog started to clear. So here it is again ... On 4/7/04 11:16 AM, "Peter Cook" <cookfmly@bigpond.com> wrote: > Welcome to Frances Crossland who has joined this week - just missed inclusion > in last week's post. > > ****** ****** ****** > > The topic for July is a variation on last month: > "Indexes or other publications on Microfilm, Microfiche or CD-ROM, or Websites > that you have found helpful to your Buteshire &/or Scottish research." > > ****** ****** ****** > > Here is the index for these postings for the first six months of 2004 > ... > > #230 Index to last 6 months of 2003 > #231 Answer to relationships question > #232 What may be posted (and what may not) > #233 New and updated links for Buteshire sites > #234 Query re Con men on Bute - Monthly Themes > #235 Comments re Newspaper Items about Bute (February Theme) > #236 Reminder re Themes for February (and March with example) > #237 Correction to March Theme example > #238 Follow-up on "Smuggling in Kilmory" > #239 Reminder re March theme > #240 Missing Kilmory (Arran) records > #241 Correction re records posted during week - Kilbride not Kilmory > #242 Announcement of April theme > #243 Reminder re April Theme > #244 Happy Easter > #245 Details of SAGS virtual branch set - up > #246 Anzac Day - Pilgrimages > #247 May Topic of the month > #248 Reminder re May Topic of the month > #249 Arran visits covered, now what about Bute &/or Cumbraes ? > #250 Admin > #251 Announcement of June Topic of the Month > #252 Admin > #253 Copyright issues > #254 Books on Arran > #255 Projects worthy of support > > ****** ****** ****** > > Feel free to join in and present your own items. > > Peter Cook <cookfmly@bigpond.com> List maintainer > and Co-host with Barbara <babrown12@comcast.net> > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Hello Listers, I'm new to this list, and following Peter Cooks invitation, thought I would post my surname interests in the hope that one of you might spot something familiar in my info. I've only recently discovered that I have ancestors in Arran. My gt. grandfather William Dickie (1861-1923), was born to Catherine Crawford of Kilmory, Arran (1840-1919) on 1 August 1861 at her uncle John's house in Ardrossan. In all documention, William's father is named as Thomas Dickie, but I can find no trace of Thomas. Certainly, it looks as if Catherine didn't marry Thomas Dickie. Catherine later married farmer, John Cook (1831->1919) at West Bennan, Arran on 28 December 1865, and had a further 4 children - Alexander (1866- ?); Jean (1870-?); John (1867-?) and Donald (1872-?) Catherine was the 2nd child of farmer, John Crawford (1806-1862) and Ann Stewart (1812-1907), daughter of farmer, William Stewart and Catherine Stewart. John's parents were Alexander Crawford (1759-1831) and Christian/Christina Kerr of Kilmory. [Alexander was son of Donald Crawford (born 1738, died at Claughaig, 1814] John and Ann were married at Kilmory, on 27 Jul 1837. They had at least 9 children, including Catherine: 1) Janet (1838-?) 2) Catherine (1840-1919) 3) Christian/Christina (1841-?) - married John Picken on 10 Jun 1869, Kilmory 4) Mary (1844-?) 5) Ann (1847-?) 6) William (1847-?), born Greenock 7) John (abt 1849-?), born Greenock 8) Margaret (1851-?), born Greenock 9) Elizabeth (1853-?), married Hugh Duncan, Glasgow, 1874. At least 2 children: David & John. A little bit about myself - I live in Glasgow, and have been actively researching my family history for about 6-7 years. I'm an IT "techie" (30 yrs - I can hardly believe it - when I started work, computers were steam-driven!), so I use the internet, and lists like this, a lot in my research. I have many Family History resources - Data CDs and books, collected over the years. If anyone needs look-ups etc for the Glasgow Area, or 1881 UK census, 1851/1861 census for Ayrshire, just give me a shout. For anyone with Scots-Irish ancestry, you might care to look at my website at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Scottish-Irish-Genealogy/ Sorry about the long post. If you get this far - Thanks for persevering! Hope this rings a bell for someone out there! Cheers, Eleanor Strain. RAOGK volunteer for Glasgow Area "Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at http://www.raogk.org/"

In a message dated 10/07/2004 08:55:09 GMT Daylight Time, Eleanor_Strain@hotmail.com writes: My gt. grandfather William Dickie (1861-1923), was born to Catherine Crawford of Kilmory, Arran (1840-1919) on 1 August 1861 at her uncle John's house in Ardrossan. In all documention, William's father is named as Thomas Dickie, but I can find no trace of Thomas. Certainly, it looks as if Catherine didn't marry Thomas Dickie. William's birth certificate should make it clear whether or not his parents were married..ie if Catherine is not described as 'catherine dickie MS crawford' and there is no date and place of marriage. Sometimes it goes as far as saying 'illegitimate' and if you had access to the original volumes of indexes (filmed by LDS) illegitimates frequently had 'B' beside them in the index. (yes, that's what it stands for..our ancestors knew how to call a spade a shovel) In theory if they weren't married then Thomas Dickie had to turn up with Catherine at the registrars to allow his name to be used. The other possibility is to go through to edinburgh to the NAS and look for William's baptism entry. The churches continued to keep their parish records and the volumes are in NAS. If Catherine had him baptised on Arran or in Ardrossan then you may find a 'place' or 'occupation' for Thomas Dickie..or even find Kirk Session records mentioning William's illegitimacy. I suspect Arran would be like Cumbrae ..there are no illigitimate children with unknown fathers in Cumbrae OPRs...................village life <LOL> there's a 14 year old Thomas Dickie in Ardrossan in 1851 ....... 1851/576/524/2/9/6 with parents and other siblings...he might be a possibility. It depends on how long Catherine had been in Ardrossan with her uncle ..was she there in the census in April 1861? Irene

Dear all, I am looking for any 'Tuach' data. The Tuach McKenzies are not my direct descendants but my interest is because 2 male members married 2 sisters in my MATHESON family line. I have around 200 Australian cousins who originated from Donald Tuach McKenzie who was born in Contin in 1828, he died in Australia in 1906. His older brother Roderick Tuach McKenzie (1819-1884) died in Kiltarlity, Inverness-shire, leaving 8 children. I first latched onto the 'Tuach' name because it was so unique, unfortunately by about 1920 the 'Tuach McKenzie' name became 'McKenzie'. To make things worse some earlier members are known as 'Tuach' with no 'McKenzie'. Donald & Roderick Tuach McKenzie's parents were Alexander Tuach & Jean Gillanders, both buried at Garve, Ross-shire. Alexander Tuach (1784-1859) parents given as George Tuach & Ann MacLean. You can see my problem with the name. I have been told that the Tuach name comes from McKenzie of Gairloch. Headstone in Garve Cemetery, Ross Shire, Scotland: "IN MEMORY/OF/ALEXANDER TUACH/ Tasksman of Arriletrach/ who departed this life of the 18 day of January 1859/ Aged 76 Years/Justly esteemed by His/ Acquaintances And beloved/by his Friends this Tribute/ of Affection is Erected/by his Daughters/ ANN AND ISABELLA TUACH/ in Loving Remembrances/of A Dutiful Parent" This is the family that appears in the 1841,1851 & 1861 Contin census. The other Tuach family I am linked to - they again married into the family - are more elusive. John Tuach (1844-1908) was born in Contin & died in Muir of Ord, Ross-shire, leaving 9 children. His parents being John Tuach & Margaret Macrae. He also had an older sister Ann Tuach (1843-1927) who died in Urray, she married Donald McDonald. No 'McKenzie' names with this lot ! Are the Tuachs linked ? ... Maybe if you go way back to McKenzie of Gairloch ? Thanks again, Kyle McAllister

Hello List, It's some time since I took part on this List, although I read the postings with interest. I have just obtained a 1909 death registration on which the address of the informant is given as Tighnabruaich House, Tighnabruaich. I think this place in Buteshire? The person was born and brought up in a fairly wealthy family in Glasgow, so I'm interested in this place and how he may have come to be living there. Is anyone able to give me any information on the place, please? The name I am interested in is Samuel MILLAR, born 1864, and the timespan 1891 onwards. In the 1891 census Samuel is still single and living in Glasgow, occupation Tanner & Farmer. My thanks for any possible help. Regards Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/577 Message Board Post: Isle of Tiree, Scotland Descendants Gathering - Guelph, Ontario, Canada - July 23, 24, 25, 2004 - www.tireegathering.com Cheers, Scott Cameron - Guelph, Ontario, Canada 18 days to go! We have descendants from all over the world attending. 300+ expected to attend! Thanks to Rootsweb ... most likely more! Hope to see you there!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/571.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello, James thank you for your intersesting reply. Never knew Bute was so diverse. Regards fiona

Since my grandfather, JOHN MCKIRDY, was born and raised on the Isle of Bute I have special interest in this list. He was born in November of 1858 at Kilchatten Bay to John MCKIRDY "Smithy" and Nicholas Jane BROADFOOT. During this time period the MCKIRDYs had the Kingarth Inn and lived across from the Inn in the home there. My grandfather sailed from Glasgow to New York in 1892, I believe---first settling in Canada, then going to west to Oregon in the US. I live in Oklahoma, USA. I've been trying to learn more of my family lines for the last 28 years, but have not yet gotten to travel to Scotland. An aunt and 2 of my cousins have made the trip from Oregon and brought me pictures. I look forward to learning even more about the area and the family from the list. Frances Crossland

No new subscribers this week, as always, if you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** There was a 24 hour delay with RootsWeb Mail last Monday, with Mike's main post on his "Visit to Bute" being the only casualty for this list. Fortunately it was not delayed for too long - thanks for sharing your experiences with us Mike. Some planning and early groundwork obviously paid dividends. Regarding Mike's addendum posted later in the week, the possibility of list members contributing to a fiche reader/ copier fund has been raised off list. While this has merit, with the current subscriber list numbers and the second hand price quoted in one response, that would be in excess of GBP 5 each - and that figure also assumes ALL subscribers have Isle of Bute interests. Therefore I suggest that if individual subscribers wish to donate, they send such donations direct to Rothesay Library, with the purpose clearly noted in the covering letter. I think that payment in Sterling would also be essential. ****** ****** ****** Another project mentioned during the week is also worthy of support, that is James's proposed booklet on "Emigrants from Isle of Bute" in the 19th & 20th centuries - quite a task - I wonder just how 'small' such a booklet might end up as. Please contact James direct at james@brandaneofbute.freeserve.co.uk if you have data. An example of a similar booklet is that compiled by George H. Cook of St John, NB in 1977 "Memorial to the Arran Clearances". This 80+ page A5 publication covered only the emigrants from Arran to Canada in the period 1829 to 1840. The booklet is now O/P, but the contents were used as one source for Donald Whyte's "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada Before Confederation" Finally a reminder that there is still time for you to send your contribution on this month's topic: "Books & other written material you have found of use, enjoyable to read, that have given you an insight into village/family/working life within the communities your ancestors lived - or Genealogy books that you have found helpful to your research." ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook <cookfmly@bigpond.com> List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara <babrown12@comcast.net> of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

A couple of things to let you know - I have recently updated the Marriages section and the site now holds the following records: Births 10,432 Deaths 8,581 Marriages 6,915 Baptisms 3,029 Burials 296 Banns 1,276 Total - 30,529 My submission form was out of action for a while - again!! It's back and it's better - well from my end anyway. And we are in the process of making the site fully searchable, eg. Type in Stewart and view every record held that relates to a Stewart. This function is about 2 to 3 months away, depending on time/funds. Unfortunately I had a hard drive crash and lost some information, mostly email addresses that needed updating - sorry!! Next time your on the site, please take a moment to ensure your email is correct. The URL of the site is www.sctbdm.com Cheers Sue

In message <63.2da740a2.2e0a9c77@aol.com>, Lowlandscot@aol.com writes >In a message dated 23/06/2004 01:25:47 GMT Daylight Time, >mikemor2@earthlink.net writes: > >> If anybody out there knows of a source or cares to procure a >> printing microfilm reader for the Rothesay Library, they could use one. >> They have an efficient reader, but, as I transcribed my great >> grandfather's obituaries from the screen in my cramped and barely >> legible handwriting, it occurred to me that a modern, printing reader >> would be most welcome there > >New microfilm readers which print start at 3000 GB pounds...which is >presumably why the library don't have one. My local FHS has just bought a second >hand >one for 800 GBP > The firm I work for threw one on the skip because I couldn't find anyone who both wanted one and could cart it away, John -- John Rouse

In a message dated 23/06/2004 01:25:47 GMT Daylight Time, mikemor2@earthlink.net writes: > If anybody out there knows of a source or cares to procure a > printing microfilm reader for the Rothesay Library, they could use one. > They have an efficient reader, but, as I transcribed my great > grandfather's obituaries from the screen in my cramped and barely > legible handwriting, it occurred to me that a modern, printing reader > would be most welcome there New microfilm readers which print start at 3000 GB pounds...which is presumably why the library don't have one. My local FHS has just bought a second hand one for 800 GBP

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Flewin , Caselton, Williams, Freed Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/201.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello Baz : sorry , no he isn't - this John Flewin is the son of :Thomas Flewin b. Farningham, Kent 1832 and Jane T Caselton b. Wilmington , Kent 1833 .. Have you tried the Flewin Family Website run by John Flewin in Kent? He has very good family lines on the site - maybe yours are there ? Regards : Alf

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: FLEWIN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/201.1.1 Message Board Post: Is the John FLEWIN (m. Helen COPELAND) in your message, the son of John FLEWIN b. abt 1814 at Sutton at Hone, Kent and Ann PORTER, b abt 1812 at Bermondsey? Tks Baz

I remembered one more item I wanted to mention from my recent visit to Rothesay. If anybody out there knows of a source or cares to procure a printing microfilm reader for the Rothesay Library, they could use one. They have an efficient reader, but, as I transcribed my great grandfather's obituaries from the screen in my cramped and barely legible handwriting, it occurred to me that a modern, printing reader would be most welcome there. It is a wonderful little library with very helpful librarians. They have an irreplaceable microfilm library (especially for those of us with Bute ancestors and research still needing doing!). I know it's a lot to ask, and they're not asking - this is being done on my own without their knowledge - if there's one out there looking for a home, I can't think of a better place to put one! Mike Morrison

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/0.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Janet, nice to contact with you. think we may have a link here. give me a couple of days to check out 1851 census here in Rothesay and I,ll get back to you shortly, regards, Jim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/0.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi Jim, I am currently working on the Jamieson family from Bute. I know lots of information about the Jamiesons once they arrived in Australia, but have not yet established how and when they arrived here. They show up on the 1841 census for Kingarth, Rothesay, but have not yet been able to find them on the 1851 census. I would be glad to share information with you if you are interested, but would prefer to wait to see if I can find out when they left and how they got here to Australia. Helpful comments would be appreciated. Janet from Sydney Australia.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/0.2 Message Board Post: Hi all, I am hoping to compile a small booklet showing all the various Bute people who left for other parts of the world, whether it be in the 19th or 20th century. I would be pleased to hear from any descendents regarding this regards to all, Jim