Hi everyone, I am looking for information on the LYONS or McLEAN name: JOHN LYONS, born 17th. April 1870 at 14 Mill Street, Rothesay. His parents are ROBERT LYONS, a mason journeyman, and BARBARA McLEAN, who married in Glasgow in 1869. Were Robert LYONS or Barbara McLEAN from Bute, or did they settle here ? Is anyone interested in the surnames LYONS or McLEAN ?. John's grandson, Robert Lyons, in Australia, is looking for information. Thanks, Carole. <[email protected]>

Hi Listers Was wondering if someone who has access to any of the census records of Southern Bute might be able to see who was residing at The Plan, a farm located near St Blane's Church at the southern end of the island. I don't know if census records are listed by address or name or both, but any information will be helpful. thank you in advance Cheers Cheryl

Oops pressed send too quickly - here are your couple I think (again 1881) ... Dwelling: Edward St Avondale Cottage Census Place: Dunoon & Kilmun, Argyll, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203556 GRO Ref Volume 510 EnumDist 6 Page 33 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William BOAG M 67 M Inverkip, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Retired Farmer Elizabeth BOAG M 60 F Dunoon, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Wife Peter -----Original Message----- From: C R Bruce <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 21 February 2001 18:10 Subject: Census Lookup Southern Bute >Hi Listers >Was wondering if someone who has access to any of the census records of >Southern Bute might be able to see who was residing at The Plan, a farm >located near St Blane's Church at the southern end of the island. I don't >know if census records are listed by address or name or both, but any >information will be helpful. >thank you in advance >Cheers >Cheryl > > >==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ==== >********************************************************************* ** >For Websites or WebPages of Buteshire GenWeb subscribers see >http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctbutes/homepage.htm > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

From the 1881 CD Rom version :- Dwelling: Plan Farmhouse Census Place: Kingarth, Bute, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203564 GRO Ref Volume 555 EnumDist 3 Page 3 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Haddow HASTINGS M 36 M New Cumnock, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 100 Acres Isabella HASTINGS M 33 F New Cumnock, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Farmers Wife Mary Kennedy HASTINGS 1 m F Kingarth, Bute, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Farmers Daughter Mary WELSH W 69 F New Cumnock, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Mother In Law Occ: Formerly Farmers Wife John MORRISON U 40 M Dunoon, Argyll, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Farm Servant Hugh WILSON U 16 M New Cumnock, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Farm Servant Margret YOUNG U 20 F Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Dairy Maid So no longer in the hands of your SCOTT ancestor Peter (List Maintainer) -----Original Message----- From: C R Bruce <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 21 February 2001 18:10 Subject: Census Lookup Southern Bute >Hi Listers >Was wondering if someone who has access to any of the census records of Southern Bute might be able to see who was residing at The Plan, a >farm located near St Blane's Church at the southern end of the island. >I don't know if census records are listed by address or name or both, >but any information will be helpful. >thank you in advance >Cheers >Cheryl

Hi Listers I recently received the following information: "James Davie seaman Rothesay son of the late James Davie silversmith Greenock and Jessie Taylor Rothesay daughter of Daniel Taylor feuar Craigmore Rothesay booked 19 and married 25th Sept 1851" I am assuming that, said, Daniel TAYLOR, feuar, was either a Landowner OR had a Perpetual Lease (set rent) on 4 Craigmore, Rothesay. This, property I assume would NOT pass to his family after his death. He died at 4 Craigmore in 1867! Can someone tell me HOW, Captain Daniel TAYLOR would have become a "feuar" ..... was there some sort of "local board" that "awarded" these "leases" to certain identities? Thanks for your help Janelle Canberra, Australia [email protected] Researching Davie, Halliday, Barr, Taylor and Menzies

a feuar is the tenant of a feu, and a feu is the feudal tenure of land where the rent is paid in money or grain instead of by the performance of military service. Up until the recent past most land and houses in Scotland were held in feu ......... my parents although they owned their house also paid a feu ......... a token annual sum. So it does not follow that the land/property would not pass to Daniel's children. Since you know his date of death, it would certainly be worth finding out if he left a will. Irene

from [email protected] If you have two (or more) e-mail addresses, you MUST use the one with which you subscribed for all postings to the list. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, 19 February 2001 09:54 Subject: {not a subscriber} Thanks Bill >Bill, > >Thanks so much for the Morrison/McDougall listings. I will be printing it >off and digesting it. > >So kind of you

In May of 1945, Jane Craig Hunter (b. 1875 d/o Neil Craig Hunter and Eliza B. Crawford) died, and in her will are mentioned the following women. I have not found any familial connections with any of these families. Anyone recognize the names? Mrs Ellen McLean, and Miss Mary Mclean, 16 Windsor Place, Rothesay, Isle of Bute Miss Margaret Colquhoun 43 Drumby Gardens, Clarkston, Glasgow Miss Elizabeth Boyd, 295 Netherton Road, Netherlee, Glasgow Mrs Elizabeth Urquhart of 57 Coventry Drive, Dennistoun, Glasgow Miss Annie Sommerville 32 Lawn Avenue, Mount Vernon, Ohio Mrs Alice Watson 53 Van Reipen Ave, Jersey City, NJ I have quite a bit of information on Jane's ancestors; her uncle, Adam Hunter was a grocer in Rothesay. Most of the other Hunters were living in and around Glasgow (or in Rhode Island).

enuneration no/ Road street no and/or house name/ Name/ Relation to head of family/ Married ?/ age/ Profession or Occupation/ Where Born/ Disabled ? 21 Ardbeg Road James Morrison Head Mar. 45 Retired shipmaster Bute Kingarth Catherine Morrison Wife Mar. 44 Bute Rothesay 4 Argyle Place John Brown Head Mar. 78 Proprietor of houses Lanark Crawfordjohn Christine Brown Wife Mar. 70 Lanark Glasgow Isabella McArthur Serv. Unm. 20 General servant 32 9 Argyle place Daniel Brown Head Mar. 80 Seaman Lanark Glasgow Isabella Brown Wife Mar. 73 Bute Rothesay 39 Argyle place Jean Brown Head Unm. 74 Annuitant Argyll Kirkoswald Hellen Brown Niece Unm. 38 Housekeeper Argyll Kirkoswald Hellen Law Gr. Daur Unm. 13 Scholar Argyll Kirkoswald 41 17 Argyle place Alexander Anderson Head Unm. 47 Minister of free Gaelic church Mirayshire Elgin 7 28 Gallowgate street Mrs. A Brown Head Mar. 37 Bute Rothesay Mary Ann Brown Daur. Unm. 5 Scholar Bute Rothesay Margaret Brown Daur. Unm. 10mo Bute Rothesay Ann White Serv Unm. 14 House servant Argyll Kilfinnan Archibald McFie Bro. Unm. 33 Shipmaster Bute Rothesay Grace McFie Sis. Unm. 38 Dressmaker Bute Rothesay 38 Gallowgate St. Margaret Brown Head Mar 37 Sailors wife Bute Rothesay Thomas Mclean Son Unm 12 Spirit dealer shop boy Bute Rothesay Catherine McLean Daur Unm 10 Scholar Bute Rothesay Mary McLean Daur Unm 3 Bute Rothesay 16 Gallowgate St. John Taylor Head Mar 30 Tailor Bute Rothesay Isabella Taylor Wife Mar 30 Housewife Argyll Barbreach Ann Taylor Daur Unm 2 Bute Rothesay James Taylor Son Unm 2mo Bute Rothesay 24 18 Montague Place James Moore Head Mar 36 Slater Lanark Glasgow Jane Moore Wife Mar 38 Argyll Anpine? Charles Moore Son Unm 12 Scholar Lanark Glasgow Robert Moore Son Unm 10 Scholar Lanark Glasgow Jane Moore Daur Unm 5 Lanark Glasgow John McDougall Lodger Unm 37 Sawyer Dumfries Luls? William Boag Lodger Unm 27 Coach proprietor emp. 1 man Bute Kingarth 4 Ascog Mary Morrison Head Wid. 44 Bute Rothesay Donald Morrison Son Um 12 Lanark Glasgow Neil Morrison Son Unm 10 Bute Rothesay Thomas Morrison Son Unm 8 Bute Rothesay William Morrison Son Unm 5 Bute Rothesay 3 Ascog Douglas Morrison Head Mar 55 Gardiner Argyll Mull Mary Morrison Wife Mar 47 Argyll Mull John Morrison Son Unm 17 At home Bute Rothesay Catherine Morrison Daur Unm 15 Scholar Bute Rothesay Donald Morrison Son Unm 13 Scholar Bute Rothesay Mary Morrison Daur Unm 9 Scholar Bute Rothesay Alexander Morrison Son Unm 6 At home Bute Rothesay 6 Battery Place Jane McBeth Head Unm 40 Seamstress Lanark Glasgow Janet McBeth Sister Unm 33 Bute Rothesay 5 Upper Street Daniel Taylor Head Mar 56 Labourer Argyll Skipness Janet Taylor Wife Mar 33 Argyll Isle of .....? Margaret Taylor Daur Unm 7mo Bute North Bute 19 Upper Street John Taylor Head Mar 60 Fisherman Argyll Skipness Flora Taylor Wife Mar 55 Argyll Skipness John Taylor Son Unm 20 Fisherman Argyll Skipness Angus Taylor Son Unm 17 Fisherman Argyll Skipness Douglas Taylor Son Unm 13 Scholar Argyll Skipness 30 Upper Street Catherine Taylor Head Mar 33 Sailors wife Bute North Bute Sarah Taylor Daur Unm 6 Bute North Bute John Taylor Son Unm 4 Bute North Bute Catherine Taylor Daur Unm 2 Bute North Bute 3 Dunalunt Cottage Robert McBride Head Mar 32 General Labourer Bute Killfinnan Mary McBride Wife Mar 32 Labourer's wife Bute Rothesay John McBride Son Unm 4 Labourer's son Bute Rothesay Agnes McBride Daur Unm 2 Labourer's daughter Bute North Bute James McBride Son Unm 1mo Labourer's son Bute North Bute 23 Columshill Place Archibald Prentice Head Mar 47 Cotton mill manager Linlithgow Blackburn Jane Prentice Wife Mar 49 Lanark Glasgow John Prentice Son Unm 17 Joiner apperntice Linlithgow Blackburn Janet Prentice Daur Unm 15 Scholar Linlithgow Blackburn Catherine Prentice Daur Unm 13 Scholar Bute Rothesay Margaret Prentice Daur Unm 11 Scholar Bute Rothesay Robert McHardy Visit Unm 23 Civil engineer Lanark Glasgow 27 Columshill place Mary McAlister Head Wid 70 House proprietor Bute Rothesay Catherine McAlister Daur Unm 35 Milliner Bute Rothesay Duncan McAlister Son Unm 23 Land agent clerk Bute Rothesay 28 Columshill Place Peter McAlister Head Widr 65 Ret, teacher Bute Rothesay Margaret M McAlister Daur Unm 22 Cotton drawer Bute Rothesay Heken McAlister Daur Unm 20 Dress maker Bute Rothesay Jane McAlister Daur Unm 18 Cotton lapper Bute Rothesay Jessie McAlister Daur Unm 16 Cotton lapper Bute Rothesay 37 Columshill Street Margret Miller Head Wid 65 Spirit dealer Berwick on Trent Janet Anderson Daur Mar 23 Bute Rothesay Isabella Miller Daur Unm 18 Bute Rothesay Elizabeth Barns Gr, daur Unm 7 Scholar Renfrew Greenock Agnes Anderson Gr, Daur Unm 1 Bute Rothesay 3 Lashside? Street Alexander Morrison Head Mar 48 Nail maker Sterlingshire St. Ninians Sarah Morrison Wife Mar 38 Sterlingshire St. Ninians John Morrison Son Unm 13 Cotton factory worker Bute Rothesay Alexander Morrison Son Unm 10 Bute Rothesay Marion Morrison Daur Unm 7 Bute Rothesay William Morrison Son Unm 5 Bute Rothesay 21 15 Battery Place Mary Herbert Head Wid 55 Annuitant Dumbarton Agnes Herbert Daur Unm 23 Bute Rothesay John K Herbert Son Unm 21 Seaman Bute Rothesay Edward Herbert Son Unm 16 Bute Rothesay Grenach Archibald Morrison Head Mar 57 Farmer of 80 acres, 2 labourers Bute Rothesay Margaret Morrison Wife Mar 53 Bute Rothesay Elizabeth Morrison Daur Unm 22 Bute Rothesay Margaret Morrison Daur Unm 18 Bute Rothesay Ann Morrison Daur Unm 16 Bute Rothesay William Morrison Daur Unm 14 Bute Rothesay Julian Morrison Daur Unm 11 Bute Rothesay Archibald Morrison Daur Unm 8 Bute Rothesay Hugh McLellan Serv Unm 29 Argyll Archibald White Serv Unm 18 Argyll 11 18 Bridgend Street James Martin Head Mar 50 Mason journeyman Dumfries Sanquahar Mary Martin Wife Mar 40 Dumfries Sanquahar James Martin Son Unm 11 Cotton mill piecer Ayr New Cumnock John Martin Son Unm 7 Scholar Bute Rothesay Simon Martin Son Unm 4 Bute Rothesay Thomas Martin Son Unm 1 Bute Rothesay 29 63 Bridgend Street Mary Baxter Wife Mar 34 Domestic duties Bute Kingarth Hugh Baxter Son Unm 13 Scholar Bute North Bute Mary Baxter Daur Unm 11 Scholar Lanark Glasgow Daniel Baxter Son Unm 9 Scholar Bute Rothesay Jane Baxter Daur Unm 7 Scholar Bute Rothesay Margaret Baxter Daur Unm 3 Bute Rothesay Janet Baxter Daur Unm 11mo Bute Rothesay 2 Upper Street Archibald Baxter Head Mar 67 Weaver Bute Catherine Baxter Wife Mar 60 Argyll Torn? Janet Baxter Daur Unm 28 Servant Argyll Torn? Janet Baxter ??? 74 Pauper family house servant Buteshire 11 Argyle Place John Stewart Head Mar 65 Commander Princess Royal fisheries cutter Bute Rothesay Agnes Stewart Wife Mar 58 Lanark Glasgow Jane Oliphant Sis in law Unm 45 House proprietor Lanark Glasgow Ann Boyd Serv Unm 52 General servant Rothesay 40 16 Argyle place Marion McKinlay Head Mar 26 Captains wife Bute Kingarth Jane Heron Niece Unm 18 Bute Kingarth

Posted on: Buteshire Scotland Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Scotland/Bute/501 Surname: MUNN ------------------------- Looking for anyone who might have connection to the Munns from Isle of Bute. Link: Munn Family Web Site URL: <http://members.home.com/mjwhitehouse/Munn_family_tree.htm>

Please remember to send ALL mail for the list to [email protected] no matter whether you are subscribed to List or Digest mode, and just use the [email protected] address for subscribe and unsubscribe messages, thanks -----Original Message----- From: Betty Candy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, 18 February 2001 11:18 Subject: Bill McKinlay is a star >Thanks, Bill. You really are most helpful. I'm sure your interpretation is correct. >----------------------------------------------- >Regards >Betty Candy > > >

Welcome to Ann McBay who has joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** The "Anglicisation of Surnames" is an interesting thread - the "Book of Arran" Volume two documents the case of 'Sillars' - starting from the earliest Arran register as McInurignach (1702) (a variant of Mac-an-airgid, Son of Silver) to the English form Silver in 1718 and subsequent variations to Siller and finally Sillars. ****** ****** ****** Here is the index for the last six months of 2000 ... #64 Update re Bute Query Board use #65 Dealing with bounced messages #66 Index part 1 1999 #67 Index part 2 2000 to June #68 Announcement re List of Bute Researchers Home Pages #69 Info re MAITLAND & GRIEVE / Replying to Query Board messages #70 Understanding UK Postcodes #71 Follow up re List of Bute Researchers Home Pages #72 Hoax Virus warnings - reminder #73 Contributions on "warnings" / 2nd birthday of list #74 Site address for archaic medical terms #75 re snail mail problems in UK / GenUKI site address #76 What did our ancestors do in place of the "Olympics"? #77 Notice re "GenUKI" being used by commercial site. #78 Old Maps Site URL (see notes below) #79 Query re local songs #80 Scottish info on the English PRO site #81 What's available at Scottish National Archives Service #82 Modern Map Sites / miscellaneous tips #83 English NRA - what we may see at NAS #84 Copyright issues #85 A little humour #86 McKirdy Death Indexes - an example #87 "Voice in my Heart" Notes: #87 is followed by a break until #88 sent on 28/01/01 #78 I have been advised that the Old Maps site now operates in a different way - is there anyone out there who has used it recently who'd like to post an update ? ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook [email protected] List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < [email protected] > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Hi everyone, Daphne asked for more information about incomers to Bute. The introduction of the cotton industry in the late 18th century was one factor which caused the population boom, I believe, and the coming of steam made the island more accessible. Ian S Munro in "The Island of Bute" tells how in 1764 the Earl of Bute began a campaign to improve and develop natural resources on the island. "In 1765 Rothesay became a Customs House Station, and later a licensed herring fishery. In the following quarter of a century the fishing industry was extended, the new cotton industry started, and many agricultural improvements introduced. Road repairs were undertaken and a regular ferry service established from Kilmichael. An indication of the general expansion was provided by the increase of population from 2,600 to 4,800 during this period." By the mid 19th century Rothesay was a thriving town. "The citizens, who had been disturbed in 1813 by the sight of Henry Bell's Comet steaming in Rothesay Bay, soon adaped themselves to the new means of communication, and the harbour became a scene of continuous activity. The older industries were now supplemented by an emerging tourist trade." Of course, many of the incomers may have been Gaelic speakers, displaced from the Highlands (my own HILL ancestors spoke Gaelic and came to Bute from Kintyre in the 1840s) but it is apparent from the censuses how many people were Lowlanders, English, Irish etc. Officialdom's attitude to Gaelic is apparent from the Statistical Accounts. In the First Statistical Account for the parish of Kingarth, written in the 1790s, the Rev James Thornton, says:"Most of the natives speak English very well; although in conversing with one another, they seem to be fond of the Gaelic, their mother tongue, which chiefly prevails among the old people and may have been a hindrance to the more easy and more ready introduction of new methods of improvements in the parish." In the next Statistical Account for the same parish, written in 1840, the Rev John Buchanan says: "The English language is that spoken in general by the inhabitants. Persons who have come to maturity understand commonly the Gaelic language; but its use has much decreased within the last 40 years and is now chiefly confined to the aged, among the natives of the parish." In the First Statistical Account for Rothesay (1790s) the Rev Arcibald McLea writes: "The language principally spoken in the parish is the Gaelic; the names of the places seem, in general, to be derived from it ...." In 1840 the Rev Robert Craig wrote of Rothesay:" The English language is generally spoken by the natives and the Gaelic has rapidly fallen into disuse in the last 40 years. Scarcely any of the children now learn or understand it." Madeleine In a message dated 2/17/01 9:34:39 PM GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << I did not realize that there was a large group of incoming Lowlanders & British in Bute. Could you provide more information about that to a descendant in the U.S. >>

Betty, Sorry but I can't tell you anything about Mount Pleasant House but a certain amount about the neighbourhood may be inferred from the census. The enumerator in district 19 seems to have travelled up Castle street, done Bishop street then Mount pleasant road then Bishop terrace. The majority of Castle street heads-of-households were self employed merchants, sea captains etc while Mount Pleasant Road/ Bishop terrace had more white collar workers. Within a few houses there was John Gillies, the town clerk(Lily Bank House), the Revd. Robert Craig's manse,(Free Church minister), a banker, a writer(solicitor) and a bunch of clerical workers. On the strength of that I think it reasonable to presume it was a comfortable, middle class neighbourhood - well that's the way it appears to me, I could be way off beam. Bill

Dear Bill Do you have any idea what kind of address is "Mount Pleasant House"? (you previously helped me out on the Laidlaw enquiry) ----------------------------------------------- Regards Betty Candy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill McKinlay" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 15 February 2001 2:22 AM Subject: 1851 Census info > I am really sorry folks that this is such a rotten presentation of info. and > if anyone would like the data in a table form I am happy to send it direct. > Data is from FHL film # 1042358 North Bute 557 and Rothesay 558 > > no. //, street no and/or house name Name// Relation to head of family// > Married ?// age// Profession or Occupation // Where Born// Disabled ? > 25 Bishop Street John McAlister Head Wdr 80 Fisheries officer retired Bute > Kingarth > John McAlister Son U 46 House proprietor Bute Kingarth > Janet McKirdy Sis in law U 64 Bute Kingarth > 14 10 East Princes St Archibald Nicol Head M 72 Harbourmaster Bute > Kingarth > Helen Nicol Wife M 59 Bute Kingarth > Helen Nicol Daur U 23 Bute Kingarth > Mary Nicol Daur U 19 Bute Kingarth > Jemima? Nicol Daur U 17 Bute Kingarth > Archibald Walker Visitor M 21 Warehouseman Bute Kingarth > 45 3 Bishop Terrace Ann McKirdy Head Wid 57 Proprietor of houses Bute > Kingarth > Arch. McKirdy Son U 23 Banker Bute Rothesay > John McKirdy Son U 21 Writer's general clerk Bute Rothesay > Robt McKirdy Son U 19 Banker's clerk Bute Rothesay > James McKirdy Son U 14 Scholar Bute Rothesay > Mary McLean Serv. U 22 House servant Argyll Kilfinnan > 49 Lily Bank House John Gillies Head M 48 Town clerk Notary public Bank > agent Procurator in sheriffs court Bute Rothesay > Isabella Gillies Wife M 48 Lanark Glasgow > Thomas Gillies Son U 23 Writer Bute Rothesay > Eliz. Gillies Daur U 21 At home Bute Rothesay > Jessie Gillies Daur U 17 At home Bute Rothesay > William Gillies Son U 13 Scholar Bute Rothesay > James Gillies Son U 11 Scholar Bute Rothesay > Isabella Gillies Daur U 9 Scholar Bute Rothesay > David Welsh Gillies Son U 5 Bute Rothesay > Mary Willis Serv U 19 General servant Renfrrew Greenock > 40 16 Argyle Street Marion McKinlay Head M 26 Captain's wife Bute > Kingarth > Jane Heron Niece U 18 Bute Kingarth > 11 Argyle Street John Stewart Head M 65 Commander Princess Royal fisheries > cutter Bute Rothesay > Agnes Stewart Wife M 58 Lanark Glasgow > Jane Oliphant Sis in law U 45 House proprietor Lanark Glasgow > Ann Boyd Serv U 52 General servant Bute Rothesay > 24 16 Castle Street Agnes Nicol Head M 26 Captains wife M L Bute > Rothesay > Isabella Nicol Daur U 3 Bute Rothesay > Ellen Nicol Daur U 1 Bute Rothesay > Jessie McAlister Sister U 25 House Proprietor Bute Rothesay > 23 Mill St. ( backland ) James McIntosh Head Widr 20 Letter carrier Bute > Rothesay > James McIntosh Son U 10 mo > Sarah McDougal Sis in law U 38 Stacking Worker Donegall Ireland > Blind > 47 15 King Street William McKinlay Head M 79 Fisherman Bute > Rothesay > Elizabeth McKinlay W M 66 Argyll Glendarnel > Malcom McDonald Gr. Child U 8 Bute Rothesay > 21 Mill St. (Backland) Charles McKinlay Head M 25 Mariner Bute > Rothesay > Jean McKinlay Wife M 22 Mariners Wife Bute Rothesay > 41 Gallowgate St Elizabeth McKinlay Head U 38 Domestic duties Bute > Rothesay > John McKinlay Neph U 24 Journeyman joiner Lanark Glasgow > 52 3 Argyle Terrace Thomas McKinlay Son U 34 Farmer (Manager) Lanark > Glasgow > Christine McKinlay Daur U 35 At home Lanark Glasgow > Isabella McKinlay Daur U 26 At home Bute Rothesay > Margaret McKinlay Daur U 20 At home Bute Rothesay > Mary McTaggart Daur U 17 House servant Argyll Auchiheth? > 71 49 Montague St Janet McKinlay Head U 34 Laundress Bute > Rothesay > 80 ? Montague Street John McKinlay Head M 36 Tailor emp. 4 men 1 > boy Lanark Barony Park > Agnes McKinlay Wife M 33 Bute Rothesay > John McKinlay Son U 5 Scholar Bute Rothesay > Agnes McKinlay Daur U 3 Bute Rothesay > Mathew McKinlay Son U 1 Bute Rothesay > John McIntosh Appren U 14 Tailors apprentice Bute > Kingarth > Sophia McFarlane Serv U 16 House servant Argyll Lingnahunahan > 1 High Street Janet McKinlay Head Wid 35 Inn Keeper Bute > Rothesay > Janet B McKinlay Daur U 15 Scholar Bute Rothesay > 6 Montague St Margaret McKinlay Head Wid 67 Bute Rothesay > Agnes McKinlay G.Dr U 19 Steam loom weaver Lanark Glasgow > 34 ? Montague Street Daniel McKinlay Head M 37 Leather cutter salesman > Lanark Glasgow > Helen McKinlay Wife M 37 Bootmaker Lanark Glasgow > Peter McKinlay Son U 16 Tailors apprentice Bute Rothesay > Angus McKinlay Son U 15 Shoemaker apprentice Bute Rothesay > Margaret McKinlay Daur U 13 Scholar Bute Rothesay > Mary McKinlay Daur U 10 Scholar Bute Rothesay > Isabella McKinlay Daur U 7 Bute Rothesay > Helen McKinlay Daur U 3 Bute Rothesay > 61 After 40 Montague St Daniel McKinlay Head M 33 Police man Bute > Rothesay > Mary McKinlay Wife M 35 Bute Rothesay > Mary McKinlay Daur U 6 Bute Rothesay > Isabella McKinlay Daur U 4 Bute Rothesay > Margaret McKinlay Daur U 1 Bute Rothesay > 33 22 Castle Street John McKinlay Head M 66 Fish curer Bute > Rothesay > Mary McKinlay Wife M 54 Bute Rothesay > Janet McKinlay Daur U 25 Bute Rothesay > Archibald McKinlay Son U 23 Draper Bute Rothesay > Isabella McKinlay Daur U 19 Bute Rothesay > John McKinlay Son U 17 Apprentice grocer Bute Rothesay > 24 Castle Street Neil Jamieson Head Wid 66 Fish curer Bute > Kingarth > Ann Jamieson Daur U 28 House keeper Bute Rothesay > Ninian Bannatyne Neph U 12 Scholar Shetland Lenwick > Ann McFadyen Serv U 28 House servant Hebrides Isle of Coll > 35 Shore Street Daniel Baxter Head Mar 43 Fisherman Bute Pt. > Bannatyne > Janet Baxter Wife Mar 40 Fishermans wife Bute Pt. Bannatyne > Mary Baxter Daur. Unm 7 Scholar Bute Pt. Bannatyne > Mary Campbell Visitor Wid. 66 Pauper family servant Inverness > Dunnag......? > 64 Shore Street Archibald Baxter Head Mar 56 Labourer Bute North > Bute > Catherine Baxter Wife Mar 18 Labourer Bute North Bute > Ninian Baxter Son Unm 19 Labourer Bute North Bute > Catherine Cree? Grand Daur. Unm 20 Labourer Bute North Bute > 5 High Street Daniel Baxter Head Mar 33 Labourer Buteshire > Mary Baxter Wife Mar 32 Argyll Isle of Coll > 23 Castle Street John Baxter Head Mar 28 Cotton Spinner Bute > Rothesay > Janet Baxter Wife Mar 29 Bute North Bute > Archibald Baxter Son Unm 2 Bute Rothesay > Isabella Baxter Daur Unm 1mo Bute Rothesay > Archibald Baxter Brother Unm 24 Bute Rothesay > 33 78 Montague street William Boag Head Mar 48 Blockcutter Lanarkshire Mary > Hill > Ann Boag Wife Mar 50 Blockcutters Wife Ireland > William Boag Son U 9 Scholar Argylshire Dunoon > Margaret Boag Daur U 6 Scholar Argylshire Dunoon > Jean Boag Daur U 3 Argylshire Dunoon > Hannah Duncan Lodger Wid 55 Masons Widow Buteshire Rothesay > 36 Shore Street Johana Carswell Wife Mar 21 Fisherman's wife Bos? Loch > Broom > Thomas Carswell Step son U 14 Scholar Buteshire Pt. Bannatyne > Jane Carswell Daur. U 2 At Home Buteshire Pt. Bannatyne > John Carswell Son U 2 mo At home Buteshire Pt. Bannatyne > 5 Edinbeg Jane Carswell Head Wid. 47 Farmer of 96 acres, 2 labourers Argyll > West Kilbride > Thomas Carswell Son U 20 Buteshire Nth. Bute > Margaret Carswell Daur. U 18 Buteshire Nth. Bute > Mary Carswell Daur U 16 Buteshire Nth. Bute > Janet Carswell Daur U 14 Scholar Buteshire Nth. Bute > Jane Carswell Daur U 12 Scholar Buteshire Nth. Bute > Marion Carswell Daur U 7 Scholar Buteshire Nth. Bute > Hugh Baxter Serv. U 22 Farm Labourer Buteshire Nth. Bute > David Arthur Serv U 17 Farm Labourer Lanark Glasgow > 15 Upper Street John Hill Head M 79 Weaver Argyll Skipness > Catherine Hill Wife M 56 Argyll Skipness > Neil Hill Son Umar 25 Fisherman Argyll Skipness > John Hill Son Unm 12 Scholar Argyll Skipness > 14? Gallowgate Street William Hill Head M 40 Woodman Argyll > Skipness > Janet Hill Wife M 35 Argyll Mull > Archibald Hill Son Unm 12 Scholar Bute Rothesay > William Hill Son Unm 9 Scholar Bute Rothesay > Daniel Hill Son Unm 7 Scholar Bute Rothesay > James Hill Son Unm 4mo Bute Rothesay > 53 Mount Pleasant House Agnes McGregor Head Unm 46 Annuitant Bute > Rothesay > Margaret Laidlaw Sister Wid. 46 Annuitant Bute Rothesay > Alexander Laidlaw Nephew Unm 19 Writers Clerk Bute Rothesay > Margaret A Laidlaw Neice U 12 Scholar Bute Rothesay > 45 Ardbeg Road James Marshall Head Mar 60 Landed Proprietor Scotland > Elisa Marshall Wife Mar 40 Landed Proprietor Scotland > Elizabeth Marshall Daur. Unm 14 Scholar Bute > James Marshall Son U 13 Scholar Bute > Barbara Marshall Daur. U 11 Bute > John Marshall Son U 9 Bute > Thomas A Marshall Son U 8 Bute > Helen C Marshall Daur. U 6 At Home Bute > Margaret R Marshall Daur U 3 At home Bute > William (?) Marshall Son U 1 At home Bute > Mrs Buchannan Visitor Wid. 50 None Lanark Scotland > Miss Carswell Visitor Unm 30 None Lanark Scotland > Margaret McKinnon Serv. U 40 Nurse Lanark Scotland > Mary Campbell Serv. U 30 Servant Lanark Scotland > 35 Gallowgate St. Robert McBride Head Mar 67 Quay Porter Dony ? Ireland > Deaf > Janet McBride Wife Mar 77 > > ______________________________

Dear Madeleine, Black, in "Surnames of Scotland" confirms your hypothesis of the anglicisation of Mac Donnchaidh to (son of) Duncan.This must have been a very ancient name in the Gaelic world as the name DONNCHAD appears early in Ireland as well; the name later became DENIS, in some cases. In 717 AD, the abbott of Iona (then called 'Hii'), DUNCHAD died. Black cites "Adamnan" p.379. as his source. My own family were the Mac Camelynes of Bute, Kames Castle was their home. The name became Bannantyne>Bannatyne>Ballantine over the next 800 years (as well as other variant sp.s). I suspect that the fact Bute came to be split between the Campbell and Stewart Clans led to the Chiefs' spending more time currying favor in the the Lowland Capital. As a result, Lowlander and English speech were valued by these powerful politically motivated Clans. I agree with your ideas but feel that internal motives were also at work. I have Black's "Surnames of Scotland". It is great for historical purposes but not very helpful in searching individual families. Will do look-ups as I have for other Lists unless the requests become overwhelming. Scots were great travellers and many left home for greener pastures. I did not realize that there was a large group of incoming Lowlanders & British in Bute. Could you provide more information about that to a descendant in the U.S. with the usual misleading "historical" education? I would be very grateful for this. BTW, anyone have any Bannatyne/Ballantyne/Ballantine ancestors in Bute, Glasgow or Ayr, ca. 1600-50, esp. William B's? Mine was a cooper who misled the good Puritans in Boston, Mass. Bay Colony, when he arrived there and married the daughter, Hannah, of a prominent citizen. Her father was English, a shoemaker, named Angell Hollard. Wm's family had been, historically, a Sept of the Campbells. Turns out he was not from Ayr, according to his Colonial compatriots who thought he may have been an agent of the Clan Stewart, e.g. a secret Catholic!!! In Puritan Boston! Never proven, tho. Daphne Jacob Hello everyone, Anglicisation of surnames was linked to the decline of Gaelic and an influx of English-speakers to Bute, I believe. People without Gaelic found the names difficult to pronounce. Officials - teachers, registrars etc - anglicised the names perhaps. I think the names were either turned into a form easier for an English speaker to get their tongue round or possibly they were translated. For example, according to Angus Martin, writing about Kintyre - just across the water from Bute - Duncan represents Mac Dhonnchaidh (MacConnochie) "son of Duncan". Possibly The Surnames of Scotland by G F Black would tells us more. Does anyone have access to a copy? Angus Martin has the following to say on anlicisation of surnames in Kintyre. "There is no doubt that for many an ambitious person .... intent on social advancement, the Gaelic stamp on his character was reckoned a misfortune and a handicap. A vernacular manner of speech anbd the ingrained traits upbringing may be eradicated .... but what would one do with such a name as Brolachan or Loynachan? The answer of course is that one would change it." But he says motives of self-advancement don't explain the rash of surname changes which took hold in the eighteenth century. "In a society which - in south Kintyre at any rate - was increasingly succumbing to Lowland ways and in which the Lowland model increasing represented advancement in that society, Gaelic and the outward marks of the Gaelic character were becoming unavoidably declasse. The reasoning, whether conscious or otherwise, may be expressed thus - if one's surname was being torn out of its Gaelic mould and hammered into something more resembling a Scotch or English form, then why resist? The greater number of name changes were, therefore, simply the product of a long process of trasmutation on the lips of people and at the hands of scribes who were ignorant of Gaelic orthography." >From "Kintyre The Hidden Past" by Angus Martin Bill - many thanks for doing all the look-ups and posting the census info to the list, Madeleine ==== ButeshireGenWeb Mailing List ====

Hello everyone, Anglicisation of surnames was linked to the decline of Gaelic and an influx of English-speakers to Bute, I believe. People without Gaelic found the names difficult to pronounce. Officials - teachers, registrars etc - anglicised the names perhaps. I think the names were either turned into a form easier for an English speaker to get their tongue round or possibly they were translated. For example, according to Angus Martin, writing about Kintyre - just across the water from Bute - Duncan represents Mac Dhonnchaidh (MacConnochie) "son of Duncan". Possibly The Surnames of Scotland by G F Black would tells us more. Does anyone have access to a copy? Angus Martin has the following to say on anlicisation of surnames in Kintyre. "There is no doubt that for many an ambitious person .... intent on social advancement, the Gaelic stamp on his character was reckoned a misfortune and a handicap. A vernacular manner of speech anbd the ingrained traits of upbringing may be eradicated .... but what would one do with such a name as Brolachan or Loynachan? The answer of course is that one would change it." But he says motives of self-advancement don't explain the rash of surname changes which took hold in the eighteenth century. "In a society which - in south Kintyre at any rate - was increasingly succumbing to Lowland ways and in which the Lowland model increasing represented advancement in that society, Gaelic and the outward marks of the Gaelic character were becoming unavoidably declasse. The reasoning, whether conscious or otherwise, may be expressed thus - if one's surname was being torn out of its Gaelic mould and hammered into something more resembling a Scotch or English form, then why resist? The greater number of name changes were, therefore, simply the product of a long process of trasmutation on the lips of people and at the hands of scribes who were ignorant of Gaelic orthography." From "Kintyre The Hidden Past" by Angus Martin Bill - many thanks for doing all the look-ups and posting the census info to the list, Madeleine

I would like to thank Bill McKinlay for his success in finding the 1851 census information for Robert McBride and family. The census data helps round out what we had already determined with the help of at least one other list member. Thanks for the help. Gordon. --- [email protected] wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > ButeshireGenWeb-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 18 > > Today's Topics: > #1 1851 census results ["Bill > McKinlay" <[email protected]] > #2 Re: 1851 Census info ["Betty > Candy" <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ButeshireGenWeb-D, send a > message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, > but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, > too. > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 03:58:01 +1300 > From: "Bill McKinlay" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: 1851 census results > > A couple of successes to census enquiries. MCBRIDE > and BOAG > > Dunalunt Cottage > Robert McBride, head of family, married, age 32, > General labourer, born > Buteshire Killfinnan. > Mary McBride,wife, Married, age 32, Labourers wife, > Buteshire Rothesay. > John McBride, son, age 4, Labourers son, Buteshire > Rothesay. > Agnes McBride, daughter, aged 2, Labourers daughter, > Buteshire North Bute. > James McBride, Son, 1 month, Labourers son,Buteshire > north Bute. > > (At the time of the census, 30th/31st March, > Ardscalpsie was being farmed by > Archibald > Duncan with three family and three staff. Farm was > 35 acres.) > > 18 Montague Street > James Moore, Head, Married, 36, Slater, Lanark > Glasgow. > Jane Moore, Wife Married, 38, Argyll ??pine. > Charles Moore, son, 12, scholar, Lanark Glasgow. > Robert Moore, son, 10, Scholar, Lanark Glasgow. > Jane Moore, daughter, 5, Lanark Glasgow > John McDougall, lodger, unmarried, 37, sawyer, > Dumfries Luls?. > WILLIAM BOAG, lodger, unmarried, 27 coach proprietor > employing 1 man, > Buteshire Kingarth. > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:47:36 +1100 > From: "Betty Candy" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: 1851 Census info > > Dear Bill > > Do you have any idea what kind of address is "Mount > Pleasant House"? > (you previously helped me out on the Laidlaw > enquiry) > - --------------------------------------------- > Regards > Betty Candy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill McKinlay" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, 15 February 2001 2:22 AM > Subject: 1851 Census info > > > > I am really sorry folks that this is such a rotten > presentation of info. > and > > if anyone would like the data in a table form I am > happy to send it > direct. > > Data is from FHL film # 1042358 North Bute 557 and > Rothesay 558 > > > > no. //, street no and/or house name Name// > Relation to head of family// > > Married ?// age// Profession or Occupation // > Where Born// Disabled ? > > 25 Bishop Street John McAlister Head Wdr 80 > Fisheries officer retired > Bute > > Kingarth > > John McAlister Son U 46 House proprietor Bute > Kingarth > > Janet McKirdy Sis in law U 64 Bute > Kingarth > > 14 10 East Princes St Archibald Nicol Head M 72 > Harbourmaster Bute > > Kingarth > > Helen Nicol Wife M 59 Bute > Kingarth > > Helen Nicol Daur U 23 Bute > Kingarth > > Mary Nicol Daur U 19 Bute > Kingarth > > Jemima? Nicol Daur U 17 Bute > Kingarth > > Archibald Walker Visitor M 21 Warehouseman Bute > Kingarth > > 45 3 Bishop Terrace Ann McKirdy Head Wid 57 > Proprietor of houses Bute > > Kingarth > > Arch. McKirdy Son U 23 Banker Bute > Rothesay > > John McKirdy Son U 21 Writer's general clerk > Bute Rothesay > > Robt McKirdy Son U 19 Banker's clerk Bute > Rothesay > > James McKirdy Son U 14 Scholar Bute > Rothesay > > Mary McLean Serv. U 22 House servant Argyll > Kilfinnan > > 49 Lily Bank House John Gillies Head M 48 Town > clerk Notary public Bank > > agent Procurator in sheriffs court Bute > Rothesay > > Isabella Gillies Wife M 48 Lanark > Glasgow > > Thomas Gillies Son U 23 Writer Bute > Rothesay > > Eliz. Gillies Daur U 21 At home Bute > Rothesay > > Jessie Gillies Daur U 17 At home Bute > Rothesay > > William Gillies Son U 13 Scholar Bute > Rothesay > > James Gillies Son U 11 Scholar Bute > Rothesay > > Isabella Gillies Daur U 9 Scholar Bute > Rothesay > > David Welsh Gillies Son U 5 Bute > Rothesay > > Mary Willis Serv U 19 General servant Renfrrew > Greenock > > 40 16 Argyle Street Marion McKinlay Head M 26 > Captain's wife Bute > > Kingarth > > Jane Heron Niece U 18 Bute > Kingarth > > 11 Argyle Street John Stewart Head M 65 Commander > Princess Royal > fisheries > > cutter Bute Rothesay > > Agnes Stewart Wife M 58 Lanark > Glasgow > > Jane Oliphant Sis in law U 45 House proprietor > Lanark Glasgow > > Ann Boyd Serv U 52 General servant Bute > Rothesay > > 24 16 Castle Street Agnes Nicol Head M 26 Captains > wife M L Bute > > Rothesay > > Isabella Nicol Daur U 3 Bute > Rothesay > > Ellen Nicol Daur U 1 Bute > Rothesay > > Jessie McAlister Sister U 25 House Proprietor > Bute Rothesay > > 23 Mill St. ( backland ) James McIntosh Head Widr > 20 Letter carrier Bute > > Rothesay > > James McIntosh Son U 10 mo > > Sarah McDougal Sis in law U 38 Stacking Worker > Donegall Ireland > > Blind > > 47 15 King Street William McKinlay Head M 79 > Fisherman Bute > > Rothesay > > Elizabeth McKinlay W M 66 Argyll > Glendarnel > > Malcom McDonald Gr. Child U 8 Bute > Rothesay > > 21 Mill St. (Backland) Charles McKinlay Head M 25 > Mariner Bute > > Rothesay > > Jean McKinlay Wife M 22 Mariners Wife Bute > Rothesay > > 41 Gallowgate St Elizabeth McKinlay Head U 38 > Domestic duties Bute > > Rothesay > > John McKinlay Neph U 24 Journeyman > joiner Lanark > Glasgow > > 52 3 Argyle Terrace Thomas McKinlay Son U 34 > Farmer (Manager) Lanark > > Glasgow > > Christine McKinlay Daur U 35 At home Lanark > Glasgow > > Isabella McKinlay Daur U 26 At home Bute > Rothesay > > Margaret McKinlay Daur U 20 At home Bute > Rothesay > > Mary McTaggart Daur U 17 House servant > Argyll Auchiheth? > > 71 49 Montague St Janet McKinlay Head U 34 > Laundress Bute > > Rothesay > > 80 ? Montague Street John McKinlay Head M > 36 Tailor emp. 4 men 1 > > boy Lanark Barony Park > > Agnes McKinlay Wife M 33 Bute > Rothesay > > John McKinlay Son U 5 Scholar Bute > Rothesay > > Agnes McKinlay Daur U 3 Bute > Rothesay > > Mathew McKinlay Son U 1 Bute > Rothesay > > John McIntosh Appren U 14 Tailors apprentice > Bute > > Kingarth > > Sophia McFarlane Serv U 16 House servant Argyll > Lingnahunahan > > 1 High Street Janet McKinlay Head Wid 35 Inn > Keeper Bute > > Rothesay > > Janet B McKinlay Daur U 15 Scholar Bute > Rothesay > > 6 Montague St Margaret McKinlay Head Wid 67 Bute > Rothesay > > Agnes McKinlay G.Dr U 19 Steam loom weaver > Lanark > Glasgow > > 34 ? Montague Street Daniel McKinlay Head M > 37 Leather cutter > salesman > > Lanark Glasgow > > Helen McKinlay Wife M 37 Bootmaker Lanark > Glasgow > > Peter McKinlay Son U 16 Tailors apprentice > Bute > Rothesay > > Angus McKinlay Son U 15 Shoemaker apprentice > Bute > Rothesay > > Margaret McKinlay Daur U 13 Scholar Bute > Rothesay > > Mary McKinlay Daur U 10 Scholar Bute > Rothesay > > Isabella McKinlay Daur U 7 Bute > Rothesay > > Helen McKinlay Daur U 3 Bute > Rothesay > > 61 After 40 Montague St Daniel McKinlay Head M > 33 Police man Bute > > Rothesay > > Mary McKinlay Wife M 35 Bute > Rothesay > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

A couple of successes to census enquiries. MCBRIDE and BOAG Dunalunt Cottage Robert McBride, head of family, married, age 32, General labourer, born Buteshire Killfinnan. Mary McBride,wife, Married, age 32, Labourers wife, Buteshire Rothesay. John McBride, son, age 4, Labourers son, Buteshire Rothesay. Agnes McBride, daughter, aged 2, Labourers daughter, Buteshire North Bute. James McBride, Son, 1 month, Labourers son,Buteshire north Bute. (At the time of the census, 30th/31st March, Ardscalpsie was being farmed by Archibald Duncan with three family and three staff. Farm was 35 acres.) 18 Montague Street James Moore, Head, Married, 36, Slater, Lanark Glasgow. Jane Moore, Wife Married, 38, Argyll ??pine. Charles Moore, son, 12, scholar, Lanark Glasgow. Robert Moore, son, 10, Scholar, Lanark Glasgow. Jane Moore, daughter, 5, Lanark Glasgow John McDougall, lodger, unmarried, 37, sawyer, Dumfries Luls?. WILLIAM BOAG, lodger, unmarried, 27 coach proprietor employing 1 man, Buteshire Kingarth.

I am currently involved in the transcribing through the FreeBMD project of the England & Wales BMD records. Obviously, these are for specific year/months/type at a time. I am willing to post on the site the information relating to the above, and am prepared to look out for information relating to specific persons if I am advised of as much info about them that you have - surname/first & other names/place living. Please note - I can only let you have details of the volume and page where these records are held. If this is of interest, please e-mail me directly with your requests. I am currently transcribing MARRIAGES - 1898 - OCT/NOV/DEC - Surnames Dy-Ell Hope I can help someone Wendy Morton Christchurch, NZ