In a message dated 13/07/2003 21:57:23 GMT Standard Time, Bill.McK@xtra.co.nz writes: > My suspicion is that, because AOL is one of the largest ISPs with > so many clients, Yes that's the gist of it on the website. They dont' want it to crash under the weight of too many hits at once. Irene

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/SeC.2ACI/183.183 Message Board Post: archibald mcfie liquor licence 1830 -37 isle of bute was my 4 x gt grandfather

Having AOL, like I have, IS a disadvantage!! edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton Anti-Virus 2003

Dont quite understand why AOL subscribers seem disadvantaged ?? Col frae Crieff

Welcome to Todd Thun who has joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Thanks to Bill for the 1841 update. As far as his note about the FreeCEN on-line access goes, please read the following notice (issued about a week ago) ... "The FreeCEN On-Line searchable database (free to view) went live yesterday. Please click on the link below to find out if you have access yet. http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl It depends in what part of the world you are resident as to when access will be available, and also to which Internet Service provider you are with. Example. For those in the UK and are on NTLWorld, then it is live now. For those who are on Freeserve, then you will have to wait about 30 days. For those who are on AOL, then you will have to wait a little longer. About 40 + days. When you click on the link it will either take you straight there or give you a message to say when you will be able to get on the site. This phased link is to ensure that not everyone goes on at once and crashes the system as happened with the PRO for the 1901 census. There are over 1 Million entries so far on the database, and more will be added from each County as and when they have been validated. " ****** ****** ****** Sign of the times - don't let your other half go off with the camera while you're delving in yet another record office ... The latest trend is for permission to be given to take a photograph where, for a variety of reasons, photocopying is not an option. Some RO's will only allow flashless photography, which means a digital camera has become part of the kit needed. As those already into 'digital' photography will be aware, you can see straight away whether the all important details are there - no using up half a roll of film to make sure you have the vital details and no getting the pics back from the photo lab later and 'oops' that the vital pic still didn't come out. ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Please remember to send ALL mail for the list to ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com no matter whether you are subscribed to List or Digest mode, and just use my address for admin contact, thanks -----Original Message----- From: ann schlagenhaft <aschlage@tampabay.rr.com> To: Peter Cook <cookfmly@bigpond.com> Date: Sunday, 6 July 2003 19:29 Subject: Re: [BUT] Sunday morning musings #204: Index part 8 2003 (January toJune) >Good Morning! > >The Isle of Arran has a very special meaning for me. Many of my ancestors >came to America from Arran. In fact, one ship alone carried Henrys >(Hendrys), Kerrs, Kelso, Stevens, McDuffies, and Murphys--all from Arran. > >I have been working for some years on the descendants of those early >families but am at a loss as how to find out about their lives before 1774. > >Thank you for any advice that you may have. > >Ann Kerr Schlagenhaft SNIP

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: MIRREN, McQATTA Classification: Marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SeC.2ACI/541 Message Board Post: CAN ANYONE TELL ME WERE THE NAME MIRREN COMES FROM.MY ANCESTERS AS I BELIEVE CAME FROM DERRY,GRANDAD JAMES DIED 1945. FATHER HENRY DIED1983,IF ANYONE HASANY INFORMATION PLEASER MAKE CONTACT.

Some people subscribed to other lists may be aware of this by now but for those who are not, I thought an update on the Freecen project would be appreciated. The Freecen database is now on-line and functioning - I gather that there are over a million entries already uploaded onto it. There is a slight hitch however, and that is there is a phased release of access to it. There were considerable problems when the 1901 census went on-line so the organisers are being cautious. The database is accessed by going to the site http://freecen.rootsweb.com and then going to "search the database" link. You will either get access or be informed as to how long you will have to wait. It all depends on where you are and your service provider. Regarding the Buteshire part of the project, Pat Jeffs, who got the process rolling and did a huge amount of the initial stages, is taking a break so I'm looking after things as best I can. We have a home page at; http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~buteshire1841/index.htm This details the current state of the 1841 Bute transcription. The completed pieces will, I hope, be uploaded into the database within the next week or so. (Just as soon as I learn how in fact!!!) I'll let you know when it's done. There is a link on the home page to Jen Gribble's site from where details of other Scottish counties progress can be obtained. Bill McKinlay

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Crawford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/540 Message Board Post: Someone posted the history of the Crawfords in Arran about 2 years ago on this board. Unfortunately, I did not print it out. if they read this, could they possible post it again? I would be most grateful. June McEwan

No new members this week, however as always, if you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** Here is the slightly shorter than usual index for the first six months of 2003 ... #188 Index to last 6 months of 2002 #189 Link to "The Heather on Fire" #190 Scotlands People : Piggot Scotland 1825 Place Index #191 On weddings ... #192 Posting details of Commercial Sites Versus Commercial postings #193 1841 Census Project - Rothesay Update #194 Re 'Clearance' debate in Scottish Parliament Sept 2000 #195 Maps & bookshops / Duplicated and Off Topic Query Board Posts #196 Admin only #197 Searching the Archives (both methods) / Yourmapsonline site #198 Warning re flare up in number of Hoax Virus messages #199 Saturday 29/3 : Holiday handover ---------------------------- #200 Saturday 6/6 : Calendars / Dates, etc #201 Exchange of information - then & now #202 Occupations in our genes ? #203 Arran High School History Project book ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

Welcome to Betty who has/have joined this week. If you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** You will have seen Margaret Singleton's post on FreeCen project for Glasgow earlier in the week, and one subscriber has queried it's relevance. As Margaret asked first before posting, my reasoning was that while it was "out of area" many of the families in Buteshire did migrate to other parts via Glasgow, so in that respect was 'on topic'. Margaret also advised me ... "I've just returned from 2 weeks holiday in Arran where I visited the Heritage museum." "I don't know if you know of the The Arran High School Project or not. The pupils at the high school have interviewed the inhabitants of the island and a book has been published containing a transcript of their interviews. The interviews took place between 1982 and 1995 but it was only published last year. It includes many photographs of people past and present e.g. photograph of Harvesting at Kilpatrick 1885, some old school photographs in the early 1900s, excerpts from school log books, excerpts from diaries, etc. At 242 pages A4 size it is not cheap at £14.95 but compared to other books on Arran I have seen I think it is good value and very interesting offering an insight into life on Arran in the past. I had a word with Grace Small when I was there and asked if it could be bought mail order. She said that it was only available from the museum, that she had posted one to Australia and it had cost about £5 for the postage and she was sure that arrangements could be made if people were interested." Thanks for that information Margaret - here's the Heritage Museum Contact Information (Correct as of 20 April 2003) Telephone 44+ (0) 1770 302636 Postal address Rosaburn, Brodick, Isle of Arran, KA27 8DP Electronic mail General Information: info@arranmuseum.co.uk ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.

I've been updating the site again - http://www.sctbdm.com It now holds 20,669 records with a few more to come as time permits. There appears to be a problem with the Forum - I'll get it sorted asap. Cheers Sue

Looking for a McKIRDY from Bute must be like looking for a needle in a lorry load of needles, but ..... My GGGgrandfather Archibald McKIRDY was born according to family tradition on Bute, somtime in the 1790's Unfortunately that's the end of the Bute connection, as he next surfaces in Glasgow, when he married a Margaret McDOUGALL from ???? on 15th December 1815. I know little of the rest of his life, he was a joiner/wright by trade and lived in Grahamstown - the legendary village now under Central Station, Glasgow - around 1820. Known children were Margaret - [?1817 - 1885], and John [1819 - ?1882]. Various documents place him in the north side of Glasgow at least until about 1850, although he and most of his family are most likely buried in the Southern Necropolis. Son John married an Ann Vance in 1841. They had about 12 children, but I only know of two definites who reached adulthood, Robert [1852 - 1908], and the second Margaret [b. 1855] and was around at the 1881 Census. Agnes [b.1843] and the second John [b. 1850], second Archibald [b. 1858] and second Ann [b. 1861] might well have survived, but vanished from family records.. Robert had similar bad luck with children, and his two surviving sons, Archibald [1880-1968] and John [1885 - 1917] both had daughters, so the male line died out. Any offers ???? Ross Holmes [Glasgow]

Hello List, I've started trying to sort some of the McKELVIE people I've come across to date. My interest in the family first began with Neil McKELVIE who married Mary Miller McNEISH of my McNEISH family and just sort of developed from there trying to discover more about Neil's people. If anyone's researching McKELVIE and is interested I've created a page for what bit I've sorted out so far. The page opens with a supposition/theory which I've tried to explain. Hope it makes sense to others. http://www.mccabeclan.com/mckelvie.htm My McNEISH page has just been updated in the last few days too. I've apparently discovered why James McNEISH scampered off to Australia so suddenly. The so and so. http://www.mccabeclan.com/mcneish.htm Kind Regards, Pat

GlacierHello List, I've started trying to sort some of the McKELVIE people I've come across to date. My interest in the family first began with Neil McKELVIE who married Mary Miller McNEISH of my McNEISH family and just sort of developed from there trying to discover more about Neil's people. If anyone's researching McKELVIE and is interested I've created a page for what bit I've sorted out so far. The page opens with a supposition/theory which I've tried to explain. Hope it makes sense to others. http://www.mccabeclan.com/mckelvie.htm My McNEISH page has just been updated in the last few days too. I've apparently discovered why James McNEISH scampered off to Australia so suddenly. The so and so. http://www.mccabeclan.com/mcneish.htm Kind Regards, Pat

GlacierHello, I've started trying to sort some of the McKELVIE people I've come across to date. My interest in the family first began with Neil McKELVIE who married Mary Miller McNEISH of my McNEISH family and just sort of developed from there trying to discover more about Neil's people. If anyone's researching McKELVIE and is interested I've created a page for what bit I've sorted out so far. The page opens with a supposition/theory which I've tried to explain. Hope it makes sense to others. http://www.mccabeclan.com/mckelvie.htm My McNEISH page has just been updated in the last few days too. I've apparently discovered why James McNEISH scampered off to Australia so suddenly. The so and so. http://www.mccabeclan.com/mcneish.htm Kind Regards, Pat

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SeC.2ACI/536.2 Message Board Post: The current address of the library is: Ardrossan Library, 39-41 Princes Street, Ardrossan, Ayrshire KA22 8BT Scotland Telephone: (01294) 469682 Email: Ardrossanlibrary@north-ayrshire.gov.uk The home was probably Quarriers. See http://www.quarriers.org.uk/

-----Original Message----- From: ann schlagenhaft <aschlage@tampabay.rr.com> To: Peter Cook <cookfmly@bigpond.com> Date: Sunday, 22 June 2003 19:24 Subject: Re: [BUT] Sunday morning musings #202 >Good Morning! > >You present an interesting idea about occupations. In my family I >find many of the same occupations today as 200 years ago but >they are called something else. For example, although we are no >longer famers, we have greenhouses, commerical or >noncommercial. Although we no longer have large general stores, >we have botiques. I firmly believe that the same characteristics we >carry with us whether it is our grandfathers or xxxx grandfathers. > >Ann Kerr Schlagenhaft >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Cook" <cookfmly@bigpond.com> >To: <ButeshireGenWeb-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 11:39 PM >Subject: [BUT] Sunday morning musings #202 SNIP

I'm pleased to introduce myself as the Glasgow and Barony coordinator for the Free Census Project. This project aims to transcribe the 19th century census returns for the UK so that they can be viewed online at no charge. I'm looking for volunteers to transcribe the information into a spreadsheet from sections of microfilm which can be viewed on a fiche reader.  So if you're willing to help, have a PC with a spreadsheet program and access to a fiche reader please get in touch with me. You don't have to own a fiche reader as you could use one at your local library or Family History Centre. Instructions and support will be provided. Now is the time to return the favours of lookups and transcriptions that you've received from the list by doing your bit. To volunteer or request more information on the Glasgow and Barony project email me at margsi@aol.com. You can see the parishes available at http://members.aol.com/margsi/Glasgow1841.htm. For more information on the Scotland Project see http://www.speakeasy.org/~jgribble/scotland.html and for the UK Project see <A HREF="http://freecen.rootsweb.com/">http://freecen.rootsweb.com/</A>. Margaret Margaret Singleton FreeCen Co-ordinator Glasgow and Barony http://members.aol.com/margsi/Glasgow1841.htm

No new subscribers this week - as always, if you haven't already contributed, we hope to hear from you soon. ****** ****** ****** We often read of or find in our research, family firms that went on for generations, but are our occupations in our gene's ? How often do you find a present day occupation reappearing several generations back? What prompts the resolution of a mid life crisis to be resolved by a move back to quieter rural pursuits - all those dormant Ag Lab genes? In my own family, my eldest daughter's completion of her CPA qualifications caused me to look back more closely - while none of the intervening generations have had any interest in Accountancy, two of her great grandfather's were senior accounts 'clerks' - remembering that back then formal tertiary qualifications were rare. One of my nephews while later moving on to other things, originally trained as a cobbler [one who makes as well as repairs shoes] - his 2x great grandfather was a shoe manufacturer in Northampton - again no evidence of any interest in making shoes in the intervening generations. For those with more modern occupations, is there anything in their ancestors occupations that points to their choice, or, and this is possibly more thought provoking, can any of these modern day occupations help us to see how our ancestors may have approached their own labours? ****** ****** ****** Feel free to join in and present your own items. Peter Cook cookfmly@bigpond.com List maintainer and Co-host with Barbara < babrown12@optonline.net > of the ButeshireGenWeb mailing list.