George, I agree that 1732 was not Samuel's birthyear. Was he born ca. 1680? Jean On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:14:41 -0500 (EST) garcher@BIX.com writes: > sealover2@juno.com commented: > > >There is a very wide gap of age between John who > >died in 1707 and your Samuel, Sr., who, Gibbens > >says, was in the thirties of age when serving in the > >Indian war in 1750s. It is highly unlikely that they > >are father - son. > > I disagree. Here is the proof: > > Alvaro Gibbens says (my summary from p. 119 of his book): > > Samuel Butcher, Sr. is listed in Capt. Cook's Co, of 13 Jul 1756 > and > at age 24 enlisted on 10 Jan 1755 in Amelia Co, VA . Born > 1732, near Lancaster, PA sons John Sr, and Samuel Jr, migrated to > near Bloomsfield in Loudoun Co. > > This would make his birth date c. 1732 according to Gibben's > enlistment record. > > I have proof that 1732 was not Samuel's birth date and that the > Samuel Butcher who died in Loudoun Co, VA in 1778 was the son of > John > who d. 1707: > > Philadelphia Co., PA Deed Book J. 10, p. 178 > > Deed dated 17 Apr 1761 > Samuel Butcher of Loudoun Co., VA and Susannah his wife to David > Marple of Philadelphia Co., PA, 40 pounds, a lot with a log > tenement > in Moorland, bounded by Thomas Austin, road leading from Thomas > Austin's Mill, 7.5 A. it being part of three hundred and fifty > acres > of land which John Holms of West New Jersey Gent bought by deed > dated 20 May 1702 from "....John Butcher father of the above > mentioned Samuel Butcher...in and by his last Will & Testament in > writing duly executed under his hand & seal bearing the date the > twenty fifth day of June in the year of Our Lord One Thousand seven > hudred and seven devised the said Tract of three hundred and fifty > acres of and and appurtneances unto his son Samuel Butcher party to > these presents..." > > I think I'll go with this deed rather than with Gibben's assertion > that Samuel was born in 1732. Samuel was born considerably before > 1732. John's will devises the land to an adult Samuel, so he would > have be of age 21 in 1707. The above is quite conclusive naming > Samuel, his wife, their whereabouts in Loudoun Co., VA and Samuel's > father, John, and the exact date of John's will. There remains no > doubt in my mind that I am dealing with the same Samuel, as > compared > to Gibben's data. > > >Where did you get the information that John was born in > >"1651?" By the way, does the will of John show the name > >of his wife? > > Both birthdates for John and son Samuel are approximate, based on > the > dates of the will and the number of children they had during their > lifetimes. > > Hannah, the wife of John, is mentioned in his will: > > Philadelphia Co., PA Will Book C., p. 57-59 > "...I will that Hanah Butcher my dear and loving wife be my sole > Executor ...." > > >On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:15:24 -0500 (EST) garcher@Bix.Com writes: > >> By descending generation: > >> > >> 1. John Butcher b. c. 1651? - d. 1707 (will dated 25 Jun 1707; > >> probated 1 Jul 1707 - Philadelphia Co., PA Will Book C, pp. > >> 57-59) > >> md. Hannah > >> ch: Samuel, John (eldest son), Mary (Eldest dau), > >> Sarah - named in will. Sarah md. Henry, son of Francis > Daniel > >> Pastorius in 1720. ("The Pennsylvania Magazine" > Philadelphia, > >> 1921 > >> Vol 45, 1920, p. 285). > >> > >> 2. Samuel Butcher, Sr. b. c. 1687-1706, PA(?) - 1778 (will > >> proved), Loudoun Co., VA; md. Susanna Lewis d. 25 Jun 1801, > >> Loudoun Co, VA > >> (8 children, including Samuel, Jr.) > >> > >> > >> 3. Samuel Butcher Jr. 28 Mar 1755 or 1756 - 2/3 May 1847, Wood > >> Co., WV > >> md. Hanna Drake 16 Aug 1761- 2 Feb 1844, Wood Co., (W) VA > >> (11 children) > >> > >> 4. Peyton Butcher 28 Jun 1786- 25 Jan 1853, age 66 yr, 6 mo, 27 > d. > >> buried Kincheloe-Vandiver Cem, Wood Co., WV (stones were > removed > >> and reset in different places when cemetery paved over to > make > >> the parking lot for the Parkerburg Community College (!) > >> md. Elizabeth Renick 1 Jan 1791-14 May 1850; (12 children) > >> > >> 5. Thomas Jefferson 20 Sep 1830- d. c. 1873-1880, Jackson Co, > WV; > >> buried > >> Independence Cem, Sandyville, WV (no marker) > >> md. Lodema Lee dau of Col David Lee and Priscilla Reeder > >> (10 children) > >> > >> 6. Helen Josephine Butcher (my grandmother - her b. date is not > a > >> typo) > >> 31 Dec 1855, Wood Co,WV d. 2 Feb 1939, Waynesburg, PA > >> md. Stephen Archer (Stephen, Nathan, James, Patrick) > >> on 24 Dec 1878, Jackson Co, WV > >> Ch: 1. Margaret Grace md. Absalom Henry Curry > >> 2. William Thomas md. ada Vannoy > >> 3. Simon b. 1884 (my father) > >> md. 1. Marguerite Germaine Bourlier; > >> 2. Mary Bernice Smith (my mother) > >> Stephen died ca Jan 1884 and Helen md. #2 Larkin (Ross) > Grayson > >> on 19 Nov 1887, Jackson Co., WV > >> ch: 1. Earl Ross md. Etta Schofield > >> > >> I have more on Butcher back to the 1600's in Philadelphia Co., > PA > >> and on the in-laws above. > >> > >> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The Archer Association - an ARCHER Surname Clearinghouse > > George Archer Internet: > > garcher@bix.com > > PO Box 6233 CompuServe: 72530,1645 > > McLean, VA 22106 > > >